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Btw.............is this the kinda pass some of you say he can't throw. Oh, and you might want to look for the check down on the same play: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80450ff1
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You continue to amaze me. And I'm not even that big of a DA fan.
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I wouldn't disregard the video too much but you have to bear in mind that it's just one side of an argument. I mean...someone could quite easily post a montage of every single bone-headed or awful throw that DA threw this past season. I don't think it would be "interesting" i think it would be disregarded as not showing the whole picture, or more clearly, not presenting the full facts in the argument. Refer to eotab's Game Day threads during the season. (Where is Eo anyways?) He used to say, "Good DA/Bad Da" or Dr Jekyll, Mr Hyde. Maybe DA shows touch and accuracy, maybe he doesn't, the better football brains can debate that. All i know is that he's shown inconsistency, and for every superb throw shown on Vers' highlight reel, you can bet your ass there'll be an appaling one somewhere else.  If someone were to post such a montage, you wouldn't say "case closed" after viewing it would you? 
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DA------------the good and the bad: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804bac7bGuys......if you watch these vids......you will see that he is indeed accurate, sometimes it is amazing at how accurate he is. He also does have touch and to say anything else after watching these is crazy. He also checks down or goes to second and third reads on some of these plays. It's there to watch.
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He has the ability to show great touch and accuracy. He doesn't always do it. He is able to thread the line on a ball just as well as anyone I've ever seen. He'll make an amazing throw one play 30 yards down field and the next play he'll miss someone a mile away on a 5 yard pass. I remember plays where DA was able to drop the ball right into the hands on a fade route to the corner of the enzone. But way too often his throw on that play will be awful. The ability is there. What he lacks is consistency.
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All I'm saying is If you can talk about the good you can talk about the bad. DA made more poor throws than great throws, I'm not saying he's the worst ever but the guy has questionable accuracry and he has no touch at all.
If we are gonna debate whether DA is accurate then don't you look at the bad throws and the good throws? Its ok to show his half dozen "highlight" throws, but if you talk about the slant that hit 5 yds behind the receiver your just picking?
Did anybody else watch the second half of the season? 
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Go ahead.............find a montage of the bad. Jesus. I know it was a freaking highlight reel.  The point for those of you who actually want to learn is that he does have touch. People on this very thread have told me has no touch. Yet, he shows tremendous touch on many of these throws. Others say he is inaccurate, yet some of these throws are as accurate as any QB has ever been. Did you see the throw to Joe J. in the Ram game? That's accuracy. Others say he doesn't check down. Well, he did check down in the videos. I didn't post those videos to prove he made more good throws than bad. It's about refuting what people are saying. There is evidence that supports my claims that he can throw w/touch, is accurate, and does check down. How can you freaking not see that? I know..............some of you just don't want to. Hopeless.
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If you hate this board so much why are you here? And of course he is going to make more horrible throws than great throws. You only have so many opportunities to make great throws while every throw can be a horrible throw.
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If we are gonna debate whether DA is accurate then don't you look at the bad throws and the good throws? Its ok to show his half dozen "highlight" throws, but if you talk about the slant that hit 5 yds behind the receiver your just picking?
My post agreed with both these statements.
I went a bit "general" after that. I wasn't getting on 'ya. 
I'm one of the few people here who hasn't chosen a QB's colours to pin to the mast.
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Ahh so he is about.  He's had some health concerns this past year and just wondered if all was OK in Eo land.
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Here is a good example of BE having trouble w/the ball that is right between the numbers. http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8052ee9aI swear..............he catches balls better that are not thrown right between the numbers. Oh..............and I was at this game. What a great time!!!!
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I love it, a QB is accurate if he makes "some throws" accurately. Every QB in the league makes "some" throws accurately, I could make a highlight film of Couchs best throws. Yet we all know that if you see the whole tape what the story is.
What makes an "accurate" quarterback is a guy that makes MOST of his throws accurately. Clearly DA is not accurate, I'm not saying he doesn't make some throws accurate but it's not the majoriy or the norm.
Big difference between a Qb making a few good throws and being an accurate passer, which uh, check out DA's com.%. Everything, from game film to stats show DA is not an accurate QB. Again that doesn't mean he doesn't make some good throws.
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I was also at that game. Most fun day of my life. And I have noticed that BE is better when he has to catch the ball away from his body. When it is right on the numbers he tries to catch it with his body. This is where he gets his drops. His hands are find; he just doesn't catch the ball the right way on these plays.
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I'm one of the few people here who hasn't chosen a QB's colours to pin to the mast.
Disregard that people, Vers is doing my picking for me.
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I agree that your logic is wacked. Thats what I've been trying to point out. I have said all along that DA needs to work on his accuracy. Once he is able to get down a few technique things he should be accurate on the short throws where he struggles the most. His long ball is excellent.
DA will never be a high completion % guy. Brett Favre hasn't been either. But he will make plays. And you must of course remember how often DA throws the long ball and the fact that he plays in Cleveland.
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Yeah I think he's ok, he posts on "other" boards regularly. I enjoy readin his posts. IMO He's one of most knowledgable football guys around on Browns boards. He doesn't post enough here.
He's also is great to interact with because he doesn't have a huge ego to deal with.
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Well i wouldn't go that far. 
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In comparison.......he doesn't. 
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Two of the biggest arguments from the Anti-DA crowd is accuracy and touch. Here is DA highlight reel from NFL network. Yep, it is a highlight reel, but tell me you don't see unbelievable accuracy on some of these throws? And then tell me you don't see the unreal touch he displays on some others, despite being a big-armed guy?
LOL..............this should be interesting.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d806c6612
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Come on Vers, I thought you'd be better than that.
You're going to throw on a highlight reel, and argue how a guy has great accuracy and touch for those complaining about it?
Hello! McFly! It's a highlight reel!!! 
Where's the lowlight reel?
Get a game film of each throw that he makes. One of his biggest, and probably the biggest game was Cincy in week 2. Watch all the throws. There was some poor touch, accuracy and decisions going through his mind that game.
If you actually READ what some people post, you would realize that some of us have been saying how unbelievable some of his throws are, but he'll turn around and make a throw that is flat out awful. The best would to describe him is erratic. If he could work on his throws, particularly short crossing routes and slants, he'd have a much better game.
It's not that he's consistently throwing high. You give him 5 throws, and you'll probably have one high, one low, one behind, and one in front. That's erratic.
I'm not telling you he's a bad QB. I'm pointing out the flaws that I personally see in him that make me nervous. DA is definitely starting NFL material and definitely has what it takes, but his erratic and sometimes streaky play has me biting my nails all game. Those faults worry me that perhaps it can be just enough to hold him back or hold the team back from getting to the next level, which it kind of did last year. I think DA can be a great quarterback. Just show me consistency. Show me moving the chains. Show me that you can make an NFL throw that you should be putting on the money in highschool on a consistent basis.
P.S. Are you sure you're not mistaking "touch" for slow-motion video replay?
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... some of us have been saying how unbelievable some of his throws are, but he'll turn around and make a throw that is flat out awful.
I've been saying that for months.
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Come on Vers, I thought you'd be better than that.
You're going to throw on a highlight reel, and argue how a guy has great accuracy and touch for those complaining about it?
Hello! McFly! It's a highlight reel!!!
Dude, take a hike. I said it was a highlight reel. Can you freaking read?
Many of you were saying he can't throw a touch pass. Watch the various videos. Tell me he "can't" again.
I knew you guys would change the argument as soon as there was proof. That is why I said "it should be interesting."
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Dude, take a hike. I said it was a highlight reel. Can you freaking read?
Many of you were saying he can't throw a touch pass. Watch the various videos. Tell me he "can't" again.
I knew you guys would change the argument as soon as there was proof. That is why I said "it should be interesting."
Noone is saying he can't make some throws...your trying to use a "highlight film" to prove your point of him being accurate. Of course there is proof he made some great throws. Nobody is denying that he did make some great throws.
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Noone is saying he can't make some throws...your trying to use a "highlight film" to prove your point of him being accurate. Of course there is proof he made some great throws. Nobody is denying that he did make some great throws.
<<sigh>>Really?
Do I really have to scroll back through this thread, copy the quotes, and then paste them in a reply to you to prove that people did indeed say that DA could not throw w/touch? Do I really have to do that? I will, if you persist. But please, just freaking drop the false pretenses either and admit that DA does have some touch or simply just shut the hell up.
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 I know you said it was a highlight reel. You're going about an argument by showing one......... you don't find "bad things" in a highlight reel. You expect me not to laugh at that? The thing with you Vers, if someone disargrees with you, you jump all over them. If they go about something the wrong way, you jump all over them. If someone comes at you, you get all offended like you're being insulted. The guy does put some nice touch on some passes, but he doesn't always do that. That is something he can pretty easily get a grip on. The accuracy and erratic throws is a different ballgame. The things I'm talking about aren't going to be in a highlight reel. I don't know how else to say that.
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Does DA have touch on some of his throws? YES, everyone is saying he does make some good throws.
But the Majority of the time he doesn't have any touch, and struggles with accuracy.
We are saying yes he makes some great throws, but to say he has touch, he would have to show it the majority of the time and even you can't claim he shows that.
Hence, he doesn't have touch because it's not something he does regularly, Just like a QB thats throws some accurate passes. If the majoirty of his throws aren't accurate then that QB is not accurate.
That's all people are saying.
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I watched a few of these throws and some of them like the Lewis penalty play he threw incorrectly. He threw it too sharp....it just happened to be right on target and a nice tight spiral.
My point is that he threw that same pass another 3x times at the feet, behind, or out of bounds.
I wish I could make a low light high light film of DAs passes. It would be worth the 90 minutes of disturbing play.
In the end I can't really believe you're taking this hard stance. Especially after you took Couch to task against Holcomb.
You sound like a Couchie now. Congratualations.
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The thing with you Vers, if someone disargrees with you, you jump all over them. If they go about something the wrong way, you jump all over them. If someone comes at you, you get all offended like you're being insulted. The guy does put some nice touch on some passes, but he doesn't always do that. That is something he can pretty easily get a grip on. The accuracy and erratic throws is a different ballgame.
I didn't jump all over you. You jumped all over me. You are the one who said I "insulted your intelligence," and to "GMAB." Right? Don't tell me that you are one of those people who start and then don't like it when someone comes back at you.
Bring what you got, man...........I can handle it. I am not offended by it. I just am going to come back at you. I don't know what to tell you if you have a problem w/that.
And again...........there were several posters who told me that DA could not throw w/touch. There are multiple throws that prove he does throw w/touch. You keep mentioning the "highlight reel" thing............well, where the do you want me to find them? Seriously, man............where? Do you even think about what you say?
Now...............I threw the accuracy and check down throws in there because those were other weaknesses I have heard about. I do understand that he can be accurate and inaccurate. I am not dumb. I did try to show you some incredibly accurate throws that perhaps only one or two other QBs in the league can make. But no.........you didn't see that, did you? It was a highlight reel, so it has to be dismissed.
Dude, I couldn't stand DA at one time too. The difference between you and I is that I didn't close my eyes once he started performing. I can admit when I am wrong. Let me give you another example.........I was on Edwards case.......but, I shut the hell up this year, because the guy performed. I've been on Pool's case, but if he plays well next year, I will give him the credit he deserves. It's downright dumb to hold onto an opinion that has been proven wrong.
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That's a total BS reply. I didn't think that you were like that.
Oh well..............have a good one.
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It's downright dumb to hold onto an opinion that has been proven wrong.
Whooooaaaaaa......nobody on either side has been proven wrong or right yet, neither will till the games start. But if we are going by evidence, his last games showed progress in the wrong direction.
If DA plays good i'll give him credit and admit i'm wrong, I don't see how your opinion of him got better, since he played worse as the season progressed.
Talk about holding on to an opinion...
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What has been proven wrong is that he does throw w/touch. Don't put words into my mouth.
Secondly...............Savage, RAC, Chud, and Rip all prefer DA over BQ. And you might not want to hear it.....but right now, it isn't even close.
You loud-mouths can keep crying, but they run the show.
Oh, btw..............Baxter actually might be moved to FS and would start along side Jones. I find that hard to believe because of his injuries, but there is talk. And really guys............talk should be centered more around our FS, our corners, our OLB opposite of Wimbley, the battle at RG and/or RT, etc........than who our QB is going to be.
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You are the one who said I "insulted your intelligence,"
...which I did say I didn't mean literally....
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There are multiple throws that prove he does throw w/touch. You keep mentioning the "highlight reel" thing............well, where the do you want me to find them? Seriously, man............where? Do you even think about what you say?
Which I did not said he nevers throws with touch. A "highlight reel" doesn't highlight the bad, otherwise it wouldn't be called a "hightlight reel." You don't need to find a video of his TDs to show me that. I watch the games. I have some recorded I rewatch when I'm bored.
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I do understand that he can be accurate and inaccurate. I am not dumb. I did try to show you some incredibly accurate throws that perhaps only one or two other QBs in the league can make. But no.........you didn't see that, did you? It was a highlight reel, so it has to be dismissed.
Don't roll your eyes at me, Vers. First of all, if you are going to claim I'm saying things, at least read what the hell I'm even writing first before you put words in my mouth. Here's an exact quote from me in this thread:
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Unbelievable throws that most QBs could never make one play, but he'd miss an easy throw that pretty much every NFL QB would make the next. Just no consistency. "
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The difference between you and I is that I didn't close my eyes once he started performing. I can admit when I am wrong. Let me give you another example.........I was on Edwards case.......but, I shut the hell up this year, because the guy performed.
No, the difference between me and you is that you THINK that I hate DA, and I don't. When I talk about DA, I talk about my concerns with him. If he outshines everyone, I'm happy for the kid. I just want us to be successful. I just see some faults that I can see holding him back from getting to the next level.
And I have admitted that I was wrong about Derek in the past. I never thought he could win the starting job, and the kid ended up having a wonderful season last year. Trust me, I opened my eyes. I was at the home opener. It was like night and day between the first half with Charlie and the second half with DA. He didn't exactly light it up, but you can tell he got it. Charlie just didn't get it, you know?
I think some people's passion on this board prevents them from seeing where others are coming from at times, myself included Vers.
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Which I did not said he nevers throws with touch. A "highlight reel" doesn't highlight the bad, otherwise it wouldn't be called a "hightlight reel." You don't need to find a video of his TDs to show me that. I watch the games. I have some recorded I rewatch when I'm bored.
I am not sure if you were one who said it or not. If you say you didn't, I will take your word for it. I looked up those videos because there were people who did say that he could NOT throw w/touch. Hell, look at Heldawg............he is still saying it.
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Don't roll your eyes at me, Vers. First of all, if you are going to claim I'm saying things, at least read what the hell I'm even writing first before you put words in my mouth. Here's an exact quote from me in this thread:
" My exact thoughts on DA.
Unbelievable throws that most QBs could never make one play, but he'd miss an easy throw that pretty much every NFL QB would make the next. Just no consistency. "
Alright, but I must tell you that I think you are one of the most negative guys on the board in concerns to DA. That is not an insult, but that is the way you come across.
I do understand the quote you brought up again. That's fair. I will say that how can a guy throw 29 TDs, almost 3800 yds., challenge all types of team records; win twice as many games as he lost despite a pathetic defense.........and be called inconsistent?
Dude..............all QBs make bad throws. All QBs make bad decisions. All QBs struggle w/accuracy at times. And if you are REALLY, REALLY looking for those things............you WILL find them. It's a bottom line business and it kills me that we finally had good QB play, an exciting offense, and a winning team.........and people are complaining. arch was right.............it is all about BQ. And dude...........the guy ain't all you think he is.....at least he hasn't been in practices.
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And I have admitted that I was wrong about Derek in the past. I never thought he could win the starting job, and the kid ended up having a wonderful season last year. Trust me, I opened my eyes. I was at the home opener. It was like night and day between the first half with Charlie and the second half with DA. He didn't exactly light it up, but you can tell he got it. Charlie just didn't get it, you know?
I think some people's passion on this board prevents them from seeing where others are coming from at times, myself included Vers.
Alright man.............no problem. We don't have to agree. Let's just keep it fair. For example..........I won't say that it is a guaranteed fact that DA is going to light it up or that he is a franchise QB. That would be BS. I don't know that. And maybe you won't say that DA doesn't have touch or can't improve.
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Dude..............all QBs make bad throws. All QBs make bad decisions. All QBs struggle w/accuracy at times. And if you are REALLY, REALLY looking for those things............you WILL find them. It's a bottom line business and it kills me that we finally had good QB play, an exciting offense, and a winning team.........and people are complaining. arch was right.............it is all about BQ. And dude...........the guy ain't all you think he is.....at least he hasn't been in practices.
Yes, we had good QB play.....at times.
Yes, all QBs struggle with accuracy at times and yes all QBs make bad decisions at times.
The touch argument.....just because there are videos displaying DA throwing with touch does not mean he is capable of throwing with touch......
He has shown enough inconsistency that people have a desire to see improvement from him. He has shown the same mistakes enough times that people have a fear that he will not improve. Ya, 29 TDs is a good season...but we aint playin' a cupcake schedule this year. These teams have film on DA that wasn't available to them before.
People are "complaining" because they are worried. Our window is opening for playoff runs and there are those that are fearful of having the window fall due to poor QB play.
It's been said that it is DA's job going in regardless.....so as of right now I'm planning on seeing DA as the QB for our Cleveland Browns this coming season. Then and only then will we see what he learned from last year and how far we may be able to go with him this year....and all of the highlight reels in the world from 2007 and all of the arguments won't matter one iota.
May the best man to lead our Browns be the starting QB this year......regardless of which one it is. I don't give a fat baby's ass if it's Quinn or DA. (or DA or Quinn if you prefer it listed in that order) 
I'm pretty confident in my belief that is what every soul on here desires....
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I think the thing that bothers a certain fan base is that the odds are strongly on the side that DA will be the qb of the Browns 5 years from now.
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The touch argument.....just because there are videos displaying DA throwing with touch does not mean he is capable of throwing with touch......
This makes no sense to me, but I bet it will to a certain set of posters. *L*
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People are "complaining" because they are worried. Our window is opening for playoff runs and there are those that are fearful of having the window fall due to poor QB play.
It isn't QB play that you should be worried about. It's the play of the FS. The corners. The OLB opposite of Wimbley. The inside linebackers. And yes, the defensive line is still a bigger question mark than the QB.
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It's been said that it is DA's job going in regardless.....so as of right now I'm planning on seeing DA as the QB for our Cleveland Browns this coming season. Then and only then will we see what he learned from last year and how far we may be able to go with him this year....and all of the highlight reels in the world from 2007 and all of the arguments won't matter one iota.
Once again, I know they were highlight reels, but they are the only videos out there. I posted them not to show his great plays. I posted them to display that he does indeed make throws that people say he is incapable of making.
Secondly, DA should improve this year........but, he will still be a young QB who will be nowhere close to being a finished product. He will make mistakes. BQ would probably make more mistakes and less big plays. But, the reaction of many posters in regards to those mistakes would be completely different.
Shep, I am worried too. I'm worried because we finally have a pretty good team w/a pretty good young QB and I feel that the fans and the media could throw a wrench into things. We don't need a freaking QB controversy. We need to let the coaching staff pick who plays and then cheer for the guy they do pick...........no matter who it is. Of course, that isn't going to happen. 
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This makes no sense to me, but I bet it will to a certain set of posters. *L*
I can throw with touch......but I am incapable of doing it the majority of the time.
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People are "complaining" because they are worried. Our window is opening for playoff runs and there are those that are fearful of having the window fall due to poor QB play.
It isn't QB play that you should be worried about. It's the play of the FS. The corners. The OLB opposite of Wimbley. The inside linebackers. And yes, the defensive line is still a bigger question mark than the QB.
I'm not worried about QB play. I didn't feel compelled to look at your videos though I appreciate the opinions and research.
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Once again, I know they were highlight reels, but they are the only videos out there. I posted them not to show his great plays. I posted them to display that he does indeed make throws that people say he is incapable of making.
Secondly, DA should improve this year........but, he will still be a young QB who will be nowhere close to being a finished product. He will make mistakes.
I know.
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BQ would probably make more mistakes and less big plays. But, the reaction of many posters in regards to those mistakes would be completely different.
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Shep, I am worried too. I'm worried because we finally have a pretty good team w/a pretty good young QB and I feel that the fans and the media could throw a wrench into things. We don't need a freaking QB controversy. We need to let the coaching staff pick who plays and then cheer for the guy they do pick...........no matter who it is. Of course, that isn't going to happen.
I think it will. Call me crazy..... 
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I can throw with touch......but I am incapable of doing it the majority of the time.
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I didn't feel compelled to look at your videos though I appreciate the opinions and research.
Perhaps you should have viewed the videos. Then, perhaps you wouldn't still be saying he can't throw w/touch. Unless you want him to throw w/touch the majority of times, which would be stupid. See, that is the good thing about DA. He really can gun it when he needs to. That's not something you can work on either. You either have it or you don't.
Oh, and the videos are actually fun to watch. It appears that many are forgetting just how exciting our season was. It's the most fun I've had during a Brown's season since the late 80s.
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I think it will. Call me crazy.....
Okay, Crazy.
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Perhaps you should have viewed the videos. Then, perhaps you wouldn't still be saying he can't throw w/touch.
I don't have to see the videos.....I've already seen every throw he has ever made as a Brown. Why on God's green earth would I have to go back and look at selected throws?
He CAN throw with touch. He is CAPABLE of doing so. (so am I though) I won't belabor this point anymore with ya....but the kid (and he's still a kid) has the capabilities to do it but can he do it enough? THAT is the unknown....looking at movies from last year will not answer that question.
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Unless you want him to throw w/touch the majority of times, which would be stupid. See, that is the good thing about DA. He really can gun it when he needs to. That's not something you can work on either. You either have it or you don't.
Yeah....he has it. Now we just hope that he has learned how to use IT. This is where he needs polished....and this may or may not have happened, and it may or may not ever happen.
Quinn may step out this year and be light years ahead of DA....you KNOW how this is possible at this position. By the same token, he may come out and stink up the joint perpetually, or he may never throw another regular season pass as a Brown. DA may do the same. We just don't know.
I am comforted by knowing that the previous coaches/regimes are gone. I have confidence in this Head Coach. I have confidence in this GM. I have confidence in the owner to allow these two to do their jobs. I possess this confidence from what I have observed.
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Oh, and the videos are actually fun to watch. It appears that many are forgetting just how exciting our season was. It's the most fun I've had during a Brown's season since the late 80s.
It was a blast.....so close yet so far though. I said it many a time last year----Sundays were something that I was able to look forward to once again, and that was a wonderful feeling.
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Come on Vers, I thought you'd be better than that.
You're going to throw on a highlight reel, and argue how a guy has great accuracy and touch for those complaining about it?
Hello! McFly! It's a highlight reel!!!
LOL Say what you will, But you will never convince me that that "HIGHLIGHT REEL" wasn't fun to watch..
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I think the thing that bothers a certain fan base is that the odds are strongly on the side that DA will be the qb of the Browns 5 years from now.
Unless he improves about 35% to 40%, you're correct, I'll be bothered. If you would be happy with him for the next 5+ years -- as he was last season -- something is terribly wrong with you. For the record, I would feel the same about Quinn if this conversation were about him. As I've said many times, it's not about the QB's name, it's about his ability.
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I think the thing that bothers a certain fan base is that the odds are strongly on the side that DA will be the qb of the Browns 5 years from now.
Like I said Peen, I just want to win. Whether it's with DA, Brady or Ken Dorsey. Just bring me a ring. The name of who will lead us there doesn't bother me as long as I know they can get it done.
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