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You talk about only the negatives.
You only talk about the positives..and then some, claiming he has "touch". 
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That was a great improvement over 2006 and 2005, how many of those were against winning teams like we will be playing in 2008? How many road wins? Not bashing DA just stating the obvious he has much ot prove.
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--He led our offense to near records in several categories. Points, wins, yards, TDs, etc. But, you post his per completion percentage on short throws. That's objective.
Everyone knows that if we didn't have the oustanding line and skill players DA doesn't do jack with last years team, did he lead it yes? Yes, responsible? No.
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--DA was a first-year starter. Want to post the stats of other QBs in their first year? Nah, didn't think so.
Well actually lets..BRett Farve, frst year starting...com. % 64%, QB rating 85.3 Go look check out the 1992 packer team compared to the 2007 Browns skill players. 
Tom Brady ..com. % 63.9, rating 86.5.
Marc Bulger..63.1% and 81.5 QB rating
Drew Brees..60.6...and 76.7 QB rating
Phillip Rivers..who compares very well to DA because of sitting multiple years....61.7 com. %....92.5 QB rating.
I love the rating and com. % because it overlaps all QB's no what system or how much they throw you can see accuracy and decsion making from those 2 stats. Also they can't be inflated easily, they show consistency.
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--The Browns showed him the money, and I guess that is the bottom line. Do you guys really believe that if the two QBs were performing in a similar manner during practices, that they would have given DA the money?
Vers...they essentially gave him a one year "prove it deal", the contract allows the Browns to move him off or to another quite easily.
The contract proves your wrong, the Browns don't know yet, if they did he'd have gotten a 5-6 yr deal with far money guranteed.
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Okay soup. Whatever you say. We'll see who is starting come September and we'll see the same cast of characters crying about how bad DA is. 
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No need to start a continued thread until the other gets up into page 9.
That is my understanding.
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Vers...they essentially gave him a one year "prove it deal", the contract allows the Browns to move him off or to another quite easily.
The contract proves your wrong, the Browns don't know yet, if they did he'd have gotten a 5-6 yr deal with far money guranteed.
That contract doesn't prove wrong the people who say DA has upside that you and many others don't see.
It would prove wrong anyone saying that without a doubt DA is the future franchise QB. But no one is saying that.
No one.
But a few of you are argueing as though they are. You like to put those words in people's mouths and then argue against it.
All a few of us are saying is that DA has done some good things and his upside is worth the type of contract he got and that he has earned himself a longer look, which you and some others claim is ridiculous.
Whom that contract does prove wrong is you and some others who claim that DA pretty much straight out sucks and is not worthy of even another look because the jury is out on him.
That line of thinking is suspect in that for you to be right, especially to be as right as you think you are, Savage, RAC, and any other member of the coaching staff who has played a part in the opinion of whether or not there is any merit in keeping DA around, (i.e. offering him a contract for an longer look), is blind to the football wisdom and QB talent evaluation ability of which you and some others are so lavishly gifted.
If DA is as flat-out bad as you claim, how is it that Savage & Co. can't see that as clearly as you?
After all, it's not like he's the only QB option we have on the roster. We do have a 1st round pick with a fine pedigree who has been schooled in a pro-style offense and excelled, stat-wise, during his college career. He can make every throw and is deadly accurate in the short to intermediate range in which DA struggles.
So with Quinn already on the roster, with a full season on the bench behind him, why make DA any contract offer at all? Why not low ball him as the future backup and just take whatever picks the Browns could have garnered in a trade?
If DA is as bad as he obviously is to you, why in the hell, with Quinn ready to go, would they pony up some pretty substantial cash to keep him around and risk starting him in 2008?
Maybe it's because DA did one heck of a lot more in '07 than you could recognize. And in the opinion of the GM and coaching staff, has one hell of a lot more upside than you can fathom.
Remember, this ain't like giving Couch a ton of money because he's the only QB we had while at the same time had no real opportunity to bring another QB on board. Signing DA was not necessary if he stunk as bad as you perceive and Quinn is truely ready to step in. That contract was not for backup money.
So, the Browns are incapable of evaluating DA's play accurately.
Or somebody is.
Keep in mind, no one in this long deadbate of a thread has ever claimed that DA is a lock to be the future franchise QB of the Browns; only that he can do and did do some very good things in 2007, his first year as a starter, and so deserves a longer look.
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If DA is as flat-out bad as you claim, how is it that Savage & Co. can't see that as clearly as you?
Not saying I agree with this statement, but for example, why would Herm Edwards and co. still stick with Brodie Croyle?
Just because coaches and personnel are in the NFL doesn't always mean they make the right choices.
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I'll come back when we're on Continued thread 23. Should be sometime around July. Until then, nothing to see here, move along, move along.... 
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If DA is as flat-out bad as you claim, how is it that Savage & Co. can't see that as clearly as you?
Not saying I agree with this statement, but for example, why would Herm Edwards and co. still stick with Brodie Croyle?
Just because coaches and personnel are in the NFL doesn't always mean they make the right choices.
The statement that ddubia made that you responded to has always bugged me.
There is incompetence in every single profession, including guys that make millions of dollars. In every line of work, there will be A+ performers and there will be C performers or lower. And that includes NFL GMs, coaches, etc. It's just the way it is.
Having said that, you could always look at one's track record as an indication of whether or not they are an A+ performer or not. I think Savage is close to being that and because of that it would be reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Now how that applies to our qb situation, I don't know, and I don't think we'll know until it plays out.
But I'm not sure that Savage and Co. has earned the right for us to not question them yet.
And hell, I'm on the DA bandwagon. But that's not because I think Savage is too. I'm not sure I trust these guys just yet with qb decisions.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'll come back when we're on Continued thread 23. Should be sometime around July. Until then, nothing to see here, move along, move along....
Haha, that's kind of how I feel, but at the same time I just can't keep away. 
I don't think the two sides are ever gonna agree. Gotta have a QB controversy in Cleveland. Hopefully after this year either DA or Quinn is clearly "The Man" so we can have the position settled for once.
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If DA is as flat-out bad as you claim, how is it that Savage & Co. can't see that as clearly as you?
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Not saying I agree with this statement, but for example, why would Herm Edwards and co. still stick with Brodie Croyle?
Just because coaches and personnel are in the NFL doesn't always mean they make the right choices.
I agree that just because they have the job doesn't mean that they always make the best decisions.
Consider this: What are Herm Edwards' other options?
And Rishuz : Sorry if I sounded like Savage and the Browns have risen to the level where they can't be questioned. I didn't mean it to come off that way.
In the context of my post my point was that if DA is as bad as some claim how is it that Savage & Co. don't see that? And since we have another option why did they re-sign him? If DA was our only option other than to try and get another QB somehow, someway then I could see us signing him hoping against hope that he could pan out. But that's not the case. We have another option.
Either Quinn sucks the big one, and I don't believe that for one minute, or DA's skill-set fits this offense to a tee and he did well enough in the team's '07 evaluations that they didn't want to give up on him as some do.
When a fan says that a player sucks so bad, that he cannot perform sufficiently in any manner and that the whole world knows it but a select few, then Savage gives the player $8 million and the chance to continue where he left off when he obviously has another option he already paid dearly for, well, I have to think the fan might be mistaken. So might Savage. But I'm betting the fan is less than accurate in his evaluation than our GM.
It's not that the fan cannot have an opinon or that Savage is automatically right. But given the circumstances of our QB issue I can't see for the life of me a GM extending himself for a player who is so completely incompetent it's glaringly obvious to everyone with a little football knowledge... except Savage and RAC.
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Hopefully after this year either DA or Quinn is clearly "The Man" so we can have the position settled for once.
Where is that "praying what you just said comes true graemlin" when you need it? 
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Consider this: What are Herm Edwards' other options?
They had options in the offseason, but I won't go there. 
Yes, they're QB situatin is flat out awful, and they should have recognized it much, much sooner and did something about it. Now they have to hope Matt Ryan drops to them, and hopefully they have brains enough to pull the trigger.
It can't make the position any weaker, that's for sure.
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How do you know this???
Vers has provided solid inside info about the Browns for a very long time. You may disagree with him but do not doubt that he is telling the truth. Vers has never been one to lie.
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Big difference between providing quality knowledge, and just making things up to support your opinion. Several poster have pointed out holes, he challenged posters to show other first year QB's stats.
I did, they show that DA is clearly behind the ball, plus he had a much better cast of player than any of those QB's mentioned. His com.% raises again the huge flag of innaccuracy and lack of touch.
DA has talent and potential, his stats were severly inflated by playing horrible teams early. He deserves credit for both his good play and bad, unfortunatley and ultimately, his bad play defined his season in many fans eyes because he fell apart on the road, when it counted, after teams got a look at him.
This is the reason so many fans are concerned, NOT because they are in love with Quinn. Quinn has zero to do with how Derek played, having Quinn in the wings gives us potentailly something better.
I haven't read one post where anyone claims BQ will be better, they just want a fair competition so we can find out who is better.
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I don't think that DA is that great of a QB. I think that he can be a very good one, but he isn't yet. I agree with most of your last post. But if Vers says that the players are behind DA then there is no doubt in my mind that the players are behind him. Vers is not one to make this type of thing up.
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Z...and i guess all other DA detractors. How is DA NOT responsible for our turnaround?
He took an OL that allowed 6 sacks in a half of a game, and was only sacked maybe 10 more times all year.
I understand that the OL was new and was still gelling as a group, but cmon. Its impossible to ignore that. DA is just as responsible for our good fortunes as our OL
sure you can use JLewis' success to say see our OL is better than DA, but DA opened that up, we didnt run well until we started throwing the ball everywhere.
DA isnt a finished product, thats obvious to everyone, but to say he isnt responsible for our turnaround because we have an amazing OL didnt watch the opener.
Does anyone really think that with any other QB stepping in we wouldve been more successful? if you do youre crazy. Quinn came in and moved us down the field, but the table was set, so that is a wash.
I dont think anyone can honestly say DA is not responsible for our turnaround. just because he showed imperfections does not absolve him from success.
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Z...and i guess all other DA detractors. How is DA NOT responsible for our turnaround?
He took an OL that allowed 6 sacks in a half of a game, and was only sacked maybe 10 more times all year.
I understand that the OL was new and was still gelling as a group, but cmon. Its impossible to ignore that. DA is just as responsible for our good fortunes as our OL
Hopefully you don't really think that, if you do that is sad. 
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Does anyone really think that with any other QB stepping in we wouldve been more successful? if you do youre crazy. Quinn came in and moved us down the field, but the table was set, so that is a wash.
Wait so the table was set for Quinn, but not DA? Ahhh I see.
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I dont think anyone can honestly say DA is not responsible for our turnaround. just because he showed imperfections does not absolve him from success.
Derek played the best QB since we came back, he also played on one of the most loaded offenses in the league. Proven OLmen, pro-bowl running back, two 1,000 yard recievers. He was certainly a part of it, Charlie Frye or Trent Dilfer wouldnt not have put up the same numbers as him, but he was only a piece of the puzzle.
It was our OL that turned things around, plus for the first time we had a healthy Winslow and BE and the same time. Add a pro-bowl caliber RB, dont forget an OC that had brain waves. thats why we went 10-6.
See people want to beleive DA led to the sucess because he played better than previous QB's...you are way off base. Quit using horrible QB play as a measuring stick.
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When i say it was set for Quinn. The offense was established and respected. He came in with an offense scoring near 30 a game.
When DA entered the game, we had an offense that everyone T'd off on. They saw Charlie Frye and an aging Jamal Lewis and thought blitz blitz blitz. DA came in and got the ball out quick.
I'm not trying to neglect our OL, OC, or pass catchers or running back,
I just think you have to look at the before and after. What did we add really...Steinbach and Thomas. A Left side. The Jets added DBrick and Mangold, and still dont have a very good OL. And interestingly enough they still have 2 QBs that hold the ball too long, and it doesnt matter how good your OL is if you hold the ball too long.
DA is exactly what we needed when he stepped in. A quick release with confidence and balls. Thats what he has.
Again, I know he has holes in his game. but, he improved his decision making as the season went along (yea he relapsed at times) but now he has a whole offseason to improve on his poor areas.
And for a guy who threw 29 tds, and went to the pro bowl (alternate or not, its impressive) and half as many INTs, in a first year of starting, theres no reason to think he wont get better, and no reason to think he wasnt responsible.
DA = Exactly what we needed, and will fit our offense perfectly for as long as we keep him here.
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j/c: soup: You didn't prove squat w/your stats. You left out all kinds of QBs and you left out many stats. You included only the stats that would prove your case. Very soup-like. Deep: Thanks, little buddy. I won't forget that. Believe me.....I won't. King: Excellent points. DA was not the only reason our offense improved, but yes, he was a big part of it. 17: KC doesn't have a BQ on their roster. They had to give Croyle a shot this year, and as it was, they kept switching back and forth. Poor example. ddubia: Excellent post. I agree almost entirely. 
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Of course they don't have a BQ in KC, otherwise they wouldn't have arguably the worst QB situation in the league.
But they didn't do anything to change that fact yet, either.
Miami passed on Quinn for Ginn and took Josh Beck...... too early to tell on this one yet, but my guess is it wasn't the smartest move.
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Yeah whats a left side of an OL for a RH QB??
do u want to think about that some more?
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do u want to think about that some more?
I think you want to think about it some more.
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I think you want to think about it some more.
no u might want to rethink it
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The truth lies somewhere in between.
I'll re-echo what I've been saying for a couple months now. Ultimately I think Quinn will be the better QB and that Anderson will only improve so much. But I'm not ready to throw him out just yet.
His decision making is better than people are giving him credit for. In fact his decision making improved exponentially by the end of the year.
I DO think his accuracy and touch need work though...he was erratic on the short stuff.
But if he can improve that...if it's mechanical and can be worked on, we have a QB.
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Z i think ur over-critical of DA, and a little bit of what I'm saying.
I'm in defense of Derek, im not indicting BQ at all, thats not the goal. I mean BQ came in and took us down the field and took what the defense gave him beautifully, but thats kinda not here nor there.
I'm just sayin, that DA had just as much to do with our offense's explosion as our improved OL, as a healthy BE and KW2, and a rejuvenated JLewis.
I dont think any one particular cog has meant more than any other. Because we could protect all day and have no one to throw it to, and well be bad
we could have no one to throw it to them, and be bad
we could have no running game to help out the passing game and be bad
but they all came together, right around the same time, the OL gelled, and gave DA enough time...which, wasnt much, and that is very very good, to not need to protect for very long. BE and KW2 caught everything thrown at em, and Jamal took advantage of newly found running lanes.
no one part is any more or less important to what we did this year on offense.
Did DA benefit from what was here? yea, because it suited his talents.
Will/Would/Could/Briefly did BQ succeed from what was here? yes, because our offense was established. Who knows what wouldve happened had BQ entered the game in that 2nd quarter...but i feel like it wouldve gone differently. Which is where my opinion comes from there
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Actually when Quinn came in we had just lost the biggest game of the season, Derek had played horrible against Cince and in the game against San Fran. But trust me I read you guys loud and clear.....you can give DA all the credit not only for the offenses sucess, but also BQ's. But when BQ came in he was just feasting off DA's sucess and the players around him.
Oh Dear God ..... Quinn went 3-8 for 45 yards .... 0 TDs and 0 INTs. That was his "success" .....
In addition ... that is his entire production for the 2007 season. He didn't "feast" ..... he got a couple of nibbles .... and then went back to the bench.
To hear some tell it ..... Quinn went 100-100 with every pass attempt resulting in a TD.
He is a rookie QB. He had some success, and some struggles in college. He showed some strengths and some weaknesses. He is a solid prospect ..... but nothing ... and I mean NOTHING is guaranteed in the NFL where 1st time starters are concerned, ESPECIALLY QBs.
A poster named Deke used to post on the old board about the "cult of the QB" .... talking about those who worship at the altar of the 1st round QB ...... and man this sure seems like that cult shifted into overdrive.
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Steve - You would agree that DA was partially as good as he was due to the great talent around him?
You might think I'm being too hard on DA, I actually think theres a chance he could develop into a great QB if he fixs his issues. I strongly disagree that he only has some "minor things" to fix.
I'm not writing DA off, just stating the holes he has and what he needs to fix. Obviously I have my doubts he can. But I agree its possible, and if he does he will be a fine QB in this league.
Unfortunatley we don't have any idea what Quinn will do, common sense would say he'll atleast be average because of the great talent around him. I think everyone would agree the best thing is to let an open competition decide it. A competition benefits both DA and Quinn.
Which ever QB is truly right for the job will show he has worked hard in the off-season and is prepared to lead this team.
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absolutely...i truly think that as much as DA looked good because of the talent around him, the talent around him flourished because of him, absolutely not despite him
and i also agree he absolutely has holes.
But i think that he can improve a good lot of them.
footwork - its a coachable thing. if he puts in the work, he can
accuracy - its a mechanics thing, he can alter them and fix them providing he works on it
touch - i think he can work on it, because he throws screen passes well. I can think of a number of times he would just loft one softly in the air that wright or lewis caught that i think he could employ in his passes where he needs touch.
I said it with Charlie here, i'd rather have a QB that takes too many chances than not enough. You can dial back too much by learning what you shouldnt do. You cant learn what TO DO as quickly.
And i agree with the competition, but I do think the job is Derek's to lose, and rightfully so.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I believe it is time to put away the Anderson vs. Quinn debate. Surely, it will heat up again in training camp when we can actually see what's happening between these two. At that point, we can dissect and overanalyze every play, every snap, every single body movement. But for now, one thing is certain... Derek Anderson is our starting quarterback. And after watching the NFL Replay of the Browns-Dolphins game yesterday on NFL Network, I cannot say that that is a bad thing. In fact, he looked amazing. Granted, it was against Miami, but I must say that DA impressed the heck out of me during that game. He played lights out. He played the way he's going to have to play consistently this upcoming season to stay here in Cleveland. And therein lies the point of my post. Consistency.
To me, this DA vs. Quinn thing is deader than dead. The real debate should not involve Quinn, at least not until he proves he clearly belongs in there over DA and we won't know that for months, if ever. No, the real debate has to call into question DA's play at home versus DA's play on the road. Time and time again, DA was solid if not magnificent at CBS. In games like the one I saw yesterday, he was on fire. No mistakes, a few errant passes, but even in those, he made sure that no one could catch it. 4 TDs, 0 INTs. Hitting guys in stride. He was great in that game I saw yesterday. But on the road, in Oakland, St.Louis, Arizona, Cincy... to name a few, he started very slow and made some early mistakes that we could not overcome. WHY? Sure, he came back late and made some nice plays here and there to put us within reach of each of those games (we even won the game in STL), but where was the consistent effort for 4 quarters?
To me, this is the most important question we should be asking right now. Not DA vs. Quinn! We must be able to win on the road this year as well home. Forget touch, accuracy, and arm strength. He has all of those things when he needs them. And what he lacks in he can work on this off-season. But what he can't work on and what he really needs help in the most, in my opinion, is developing consistency on the road.
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But its the offseason and we don't have any hight draft picks. What else do you expect us to do? 
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Debate what should be debated. That's what I'm asking. I understand that the whole Quinn thing is a hot topic and conjures Springer-esque behavior in some. If this were a reality TV show, our Nielsen ratings would be through the roof. But truth be told, the whole thing is going nowhere. It's the same old episode being rerun to death.
The more interesting plot line should be the one that really has an effect on the outcome of football games. And in my opinion, that is the issue I raised in my previous post. It is futile to argue for Quinn over DA anymore. DA is the starter. Now, go with that and let's see if we can pinpoint the source of the REAL problem.
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Z...and i guess all other DA detractors. How is DA NOT responsible for our turnaround?
He took an OL that allowed 6 sacks in a half of a game, and was only sacked maybe 10 more times all year.
Not quite!
We added Steinbach AND Joe Thomas during the off season. We BUILT DA an OL BEFORE he had ANY success.
Not to mention the fact, the entire OL AND our RB stayed healthy all year. How often do you think we'll have an "injury free" season in those departments?
Let's see what happens when we DO have injuries in those departments. Have you seen DA throw on the move? It's pretty ugly. As a matter of fact, it brings a whole new meaning to "lack of touch".
It really cracks me up sometimes. People act like they forget what DA looks like when the oposing D gets pressure on him. They act like having an "injury free season at OL and RB" are going to be the norm. Well it isn't! And then we'll all be reminded just why "DA isn't the answer". He'll be our Kyle Boler. But at least he'll be a FAR LESS EXPENCIVE Kyle Boler.......................................
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I understand that the OL was new and was still gelling as a group, but cmon. Its impossible to ignore that. DA is just as responsible for our good fortunes as our OL
He does have a quick release. That's the only real help he gave the OL. Which is a positive.
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sure you can use JLewis' success to say see our OL is better than DA, but DA opened that up, we didnt run well until we started throwing the ball everywhere.
So as long as we "throw it everywhere", the fact his completion percentage is quite dismal means nothing? Without Jamal and this OL, he's the same DA of 2006.
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DA isnt a finished product, thats obvious to everyone, but to say he isnt responsible for our turnaround because we have an amazing OL didnt watch the opener.
I'd say most who post here watch all 16 games. And after three years in the league he's GOT to be getting "pretty damned close" to a finished product.
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Does anyone really think that with any other QB stepping in we wouldve been more successful? if you do youre crazy. Quinn came in and moved us down the field, but the table was set, so that is a wash.
This OL and RB were set up in such a manner that "any reasonably compitant QB" would have succeeded.
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I dont think anyone can honestly say DA is not responsible for our turnaround. just because he showed imperfections does not absolve him from success.
He was FAR LESS of a reason for our turnaround than this OL and RB. Without these guys in place (Stein,JT,JL), he would have looked like the same bumb he did in 06. And if we have any key injuries in these departments, he'll look like the DA of 06 as well.
His limitations dictate that to be true.........................
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It is futile to argue for Quinn over DA anymore. DA is the starter. Now, go with that and let's see if we can pinpoint the source of the REAL problem.
Really?
My understanding is that he is our starter "going into the 2008 season". When exactly are we "going into the 2008 season"?
Is that "openning day"? Or is that "the start of training camp"? So I guess it depends on exactly what Savages idea of "going into the 2008 season" actually means, doesn't it?
I take "going into the 2008 season" as meaning the 2008 training camp. Yes, "going in" DA is the starter. But coming out of training camp? That's anybody's guess.
Just be carefull "what you read" and don't "read too much into it".
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Is that "openning day"? Or is that "the start of training camp"? So I guess it depends on exactly what Savages idea of "going into the 2008 season" actually means, doesn't it?
I can't speak for anyone else, but when I think of a player being the starter "going in", I think of the start of training camp. But that's just me..
To me, this whole thing is just silly.. DA won as a starter.. the reasons vary but basically, it's all team wins. DA didn't do it alone. The Line didn't do it alone. The RB's and Receivers and TE's didn't do it alone.
For the record, I don't know who will be our long term starter,, and frankly, I don't care. If we're winning,, then the name on the jersey means next to nothing to me...
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Who cares when Pit? The point is DA is the starter. There is no use debating it any further. He keeps it until Quinn beats him out or he loses the spot, however you wish to interpret it. But that's a few months off. So what's the use in debating about it right now, other than to kill time? Personally, I'd rather fill the time exploring why DA's performance on the road paled in comparison to his performance at home. But that issue isn't likely to win any Day-time Emmy's for best TV drama, so I doubt anyone will be willing to walk that road with me.
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just clicking.
I'm watching the replay of the Dolphins game right now on NFL Network. DA made about 3 throws in the 1st half that were freaking incredible, beautiful throws that IMO very few QBs can make.
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Pit I gotta disagree when you say Anderson didn't have a whole lot to do with our turnaround last year.
Yes, the OL had a TON to do with it, in fact, I'll argue the OL was the biggest reason.
But...with Charlie Frye behind center, the OL looked putrid once again.
With Frye, we go 6-10 AT BEST. Maybe even 4-12 all over again, of course I'm not factoring in the fact that Quinn would have played last year, but bear with me. I'm just trying to give Anderson credit where it's due.
Granted, Frye wasn't "reasonably competent" and in fact made a mockery of the QB position as far as I was concerned.
But man, give credit where credit is due. Jamal Lewis wouldn't have done much without Anderson stretching the D. In fact, Lewis really caught fire near the end when teams stopped stacking the box, daring Anderson to beat them because Anderson was so effective beating them.
The man can read a defense, no question in my mind. My biggest concern is his physical game, and if he can develop CONSISTENT touch and accuracy. Consistent being the biggest word here.
My personal opinion? I don't think he'll be able to...he hasn't shown it at all in his career. But my God he at least deserves the chance.
But of course, I'll end it as I do all the time, my money's on Quinn. Maybe it's revisionist history but I DO see the upside that Vers talks about...I just don't think it'll be tapped. I think he's more of a finished product than Vers says he is.
The "finished" product, IMO, we'll see next season. He's had a full offseason after a full year of starting a la Carson Palmer after his first year starting (I know, Palmer exploded in his third season while Anderson had that extra year on the bench, bear with me). Anderson's gonna be boom or bust because teams know how to defend him now...if he adjusted physically, he'll be much better off, and we'll have ourselves a QB for years and years to come.
Throwing on the run may take another year's worth of offseason work, though. I know Peyton Manning dedicated a whole offseason just to throwing on the run a few years ago. Right now I'd rather him work on the short stuff and getting air on the deep ball.
He can read a defense, and that's the biggest step, the mental game. It'd be a shame if the physical game limited him despite having such a cannon for an arm.
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The man can read a defense, no question in my mind. My biggest concern is his physical game, and if he can develop CONSISTENT touch and accuracy. Consistent being the biggest word here.
The man can read a defense? So you are saying that DAs mistakes have not been mental but rather physical? The exact opposite is true. The questions on DA are in the mental apsect. There is no doubt he has the physical attributes but it is when he refers back to his DUM DUM days from college that he makes mistakes like throwing into double and triple coverage. Yes he could use a little better touch but most of his INTS were not bad throws, they were bad decisions.
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Keep watching. He gets better.
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