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There's really not much else to talk about though.  The '08 draft is anti-climactic for Browns fans & the only guys who get arrested are fifth-string DBs.
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Thus my purpose in making light of it.. this has turned worthless... it is what it is I guess Ytown!
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So about DA at home vs. DA on the road...... oh, forget it. Let's just hope he's better. 
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Getting back on track...
I maintain DA has some good strengths but his weaknesses may ultimately be his undoing.
Mainly the fact that he can read the blitz and get the ball off fast enough, and his rocket arm allows him to fit the ball in tight spaces, even if his read may not be the best.
I think his decision making did improve down the stretch but his arm ultimately betrayed him on the shorter stuff, which was why more defenders were in coverage in the later part of the year when he was picked off more often.
He has touch, but he lacks CONSISTENT touch. Ditto with accuracy.
If he can develop it, we have ourselves a great QB. If he can't, then Quinn's the guy. Personally, I won't hold my breath on Anderson improving that much...but I still think it could happen even though if push comes to shove I gotta go with Quinn because even in the limited action we got to see from him, he showed the touch and accuracy DA lacked. The Denver preseason game really sticks out in my mind, most notably the long ball to Jurevicius and the seam pass to Winslow. I remember being very wowed by that.
As for the Fins game...really, how much stock can we put in against the Fins D? They weren't much better than us if at all.
As for Quinn, I think it may prove advantageous to be the #2 this preseason, he'll get more reps than he did last season, even if it's against a #2 defense. Keep in mind how many snaps he missed out on in Week 1 and 2 of the preseason (meaningful snaps in the 2nd game). He may end up getting a whole game's worth more of reps this preseason as a 2 than he did last year. Keeping in mind he was the 4 in week 2 and the 3 the rest of the preseason.
If we're going to bring him along slowly and let him grow into the starting role, this is his chance. Play him with the 2's and give him more than normal reps with the 1's so he can learn on both levels. That way when he does come into a game, he'll be more prepared speed-wise.
One thing is certain, he can't just receive "backup reps." He needs a more than normal share of time with the #1's, even if DA gets the majority of the time with the 1's. Even if DA's our guy, we need to prepare Quinn for takeover.
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I think the Browns will do that, they will make sure BQ is ready.
I don't think the Browns from top to bottom, coaches and players are sold on DA's the guy. Everytime you read or hear an interview its' always the same. they say DA did great in 2007, they also never close it off without saying BQ will get his shot. Every single Browns player remembers why we missed the playoffs in 2007.
If everyone is sold on DA, there would be no room for Quinn to get his shot.
It just goes to point, DA has holes and I think the Browns feel it's 50/50 whether he can fix it. Hence, the contract he got...and effort to keep Quinn in the picture if DA fails.
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I gotta go with Quinn because even in the limited action we got to see from him, he showed the touch and accuracy DA lacked.
You could look at what DA did in limited action last year and say the same thing. We got to see DA more, which gave us a better chance to see his flaws. You seem to be certain Quinn won't have problems. I think that is wishful thinking.
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If we're going to bring him along slowly and let him grow into the starting role, this is his chance. Play him with the 2's and give him more than normal reps with the 1's
Are you saying we should play our young starting QB less then normal? Or are you saying you want our starting offense to play more in preseason, resulting in a greater possibility of injury, as well as ticking them off?
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He has touch, but he lacks CONSISTENT touch. Ditto with accuracy.
I like many on here rewatched last years draft. They made comments on how Quinn lacked consistancy with accuracy also. Does that concern you?
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I don't think the Browns from top to bottom, coaches and players are sold on DA's the guy.
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Everytime you read or hear an interview its' always the same. they say DA did great in 2007, they also never close it off without saying BQ will get his shot.
Prove it. Give me links. You are stating this as fact and I know for certain it is not. I know of one player who has made comments that are contrary to what you are posting. I'm not discussing who or what was said because I have no link.
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If everyone is sold on DA, there would be no room for Quinn to get his shot.
If everyone was sold on DA he would have gotten a huge contract. If everyone was sold on Quinn DA would not be in Cleveland. I think it was the right thing that Savage did by resigning DA to a short term contract. He gave us options.
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It just goes to point, DA has holes and I think the Browns feel it's 50/50 whether he can fix it. Hence, the contract he got...and effort to keep Quinn in the picture if DA fails.
I think if it was 50/50 we would have tried to get draft picks. They are definetely not sold on him in my opinion, but I do think they have a higher opinion of him then you are giving them credit for.
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So about DA at home vs. DA on the road...... oh, forget it. Let's just hope he's better.
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LOL. Thanks for your input. I completely agree. It was also my last ditch effort to try to get this thread back on track. I see that it failed miserably though.
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Oh I don't know about that......
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You won't find me saying this often but you really need to get off of Ammo's ass.....you are clearly and unequivocally on the wrong side of this argument for the wrong reasons. No one is blasting Frye for the man that he is, they are blasting him for the QB that he isn't. It happens to more than it does to a few.
He's gone.
And you wont hear me saying this often, but nice post Shep You hit the nail right on the head and CoachB I like ya and have respect for your knowledge and ability to debate a topic but you are way off base in your personal attack on AMMO. Hey I like Charlie and was happy when we drafted him, hes a good guy and was a team player, but face it, as a QB he just sucked.
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Who cares when Pit? The point is DA is the starter. There is no use debating it any further.
Really? Who cares?
It would appear many who have posted here do. At least that's my perception. Obviously yours varies from mine, but I really don't care about that.
You see, many posts I have read, have DA "starting game 1". You know, ie.... opening day?
Merly pointing out that it is a BIG reach to try to say that based on the comment that "DA is our starter going into the 2008 season".
It isn't "up for debate". It's quite simply a point of fact that none of us know if he actually meant "going into training camp" or as "the regular season starter". It all depends on what he means as to "the beginning of the 2008" season".
I hardly feel that's "opening it up to debate".
It simply means time will tell and we shall see precisely what he means.
Now go critique someone elses posts. If you don't like the content of mine? You have an option to ignore me as a poster. I suggest you use it. You seriously do not wish to make this a pissin' match. I can assure you of that.
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Now go critique someone elses posts. If you don't like the content of mine? You have an option to ignore me as a poster. I suggest you use it. You seriously do not wish to make this a pissin' match. I can assure you of that.
Since when is disagreeing with a post the same as critiquing a post. This isn't Film Crit, it's a message board. If you say something that I disagree with, I have the right to say so and explain why. God forbid I express my thoughts in relation to yours. If you can't take someone disagreeing with you and you're gonna get all offended, then I don't know what to say man. Grow some thicker skin. I'm not picking on you or singling you out like I've seen other people do on here. I just disagreed with something you wrote. So sue me. You're right, I do have the option to ignore you (as you do me), but I chose not to exercise that right at this point in time. Deal with it. And um, cute threat about the pissing match. Too bad it would only be valid if I wanted to engage with something so trivial with you. Fortunately, for myself, I don't. I can assure you of that. Yeah, take that! Ha!
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It's quite simply a point of fact that none of us know if he actually meant "going into training camp" or as "the regular season starter". It all depends on what he means as to "the beginning of the 2008" season".
Sophistry Pit, sophistry.
We ALL know that Savage gave Anderson that contract with the idea that he's the starter not only going into camp, but into the regular season as well.
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It's quite simply a point of fact that none of us know if he actually meant "going into training camp" or as "the regular season starter". It all depends on what he means as to "the beginning of the 2008" season".
Sophistry Pit, sophistry.
We ALL know that Savage gave Anderson that contract with the idea that he's the starter not only going into camp, but into the regular season as well.
Yep.
If I were forced to bet everything I own on the QB position going one way or the other ...... I'd bet that Anderson is the opening day starter. (and probably the rest of the year as well)
I truly believe that there are only 3 ways Quinn sees the field this year ........
Blow out wins.
Injury to Anderson.
Total and complete offensive collapse.
I don;t see any of those happening ...... and I really dont expect to see any more of Quinn this year than we did last year.
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I'd go all in that DA is the opening day starter as well, as Toad stated, the contract points to that.
In addition, there is no way the Browns have the nads to go with Quinn over DA, the public critizism would be huge if BQ failed. However if they go with DA, and he falters, they put BQ in and nobody says a word. Not puttin down the Browns FO or coaches its just the truth. Whether or not Quinn plays better in camp than DA is moot, DA will have to prove to everyone hes clearly not the guy before the Browns pull him.
I would not however, bet either way on DA finishing the season as the starter, thats a question that cannot be intelligently answered until we see him in 2008. Assuming either way is nuts, since we havent seen Quinn play, or DA play several quality defenses in consecutive weeks.
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Kardiac, don't let Pit get to you. He's the same guy who a after the season was saying that DA wouldn't be on the roster. *L* I notice that not too many responded to your reviews of DA's performance against Miami. I guess it didn't count.........it was taped. I really don't know how to respond to your question about DA's performance on the road. Was it a lot worse than at home? I really can't remember. And if it was, I really don't have any idea why. Do you have a theory and just want to see what we think? I guess I could make all kinds of excuses for it.....being a young QB.........being out of his element....etc, but I have no idea if that is true. If anything, I think it might be coincidence. But, I'm willing to listen to your theory.........if he did indeed perform way worse on the road than at home.
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I'd go all in that DA is the opening day starter as well, as Toad stated, the contract points to that.
If DA is the starter based soley on his contract that would be terrible. If BQ outperforms DA in TC and doesn't win the starting job, what kind of message does that send to the guy we've already claimed is the future of the Browns? What about the rest of the team? Not sure why some would think that RAC would risk brewing discontent and spoil chemistry in the locker room by going with a guy we don't expect to keep for the long term anyway. All because of his contract?
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I also don't remember. I looked up the games online.
Oakland game... He had terrible stats, and they don't show how bad he really played. To me it was his second worse game of the year.
New England game... His stats weren't good, but he didn't look that bad considering his opponent. When he made mistakes the Pats capitalized on them, unlike the Raiders.
St. Louis...He had a pretty impressive game if I remember correctly. I don't buy into the whole "Bad defense" arguement when it comes to DA. His problems aren't contingent on being pressured. He is inacurate and makes bad decisions in a variety of circumstances. Yes, it is easier to make plays against bad defenses but it wasn't like he was throwing into bad coverages and terrible throws.
Pittsburgh...I think his stats looked better than his play. He was given some short fields that to his credit he was able to capitalize on. His accuracy was very poor in the second half. He looked confused against a good defense.
Baltimore...I don't remember him looking bad but maybr someone can remind me.
I'll finish later. My pizza is getting cold.
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I notice that not too many responded to your reviews of DA's performance against Miami. I guess it didn't count.........it was taped.
Actually it was because it was Miami....Miami, the team that won ONE game.  Excuse us for not inducting him into the HOF for his performance.
DA at home vs. DA on the road. To refresh anyones memory.
Home: 93.5 rating
Road: 73.9 rating
Home: 6 int
Away: 13 int
I agree with you Vers, it's very hard to know exactly why he struggled on the road. IMO It's partly the defenses he played, NE, NJY, ARZ, and CINCI all played alot of zone coverage which seemed to be DA's undoing. Plus we played alot of late road games when he seemed to be fading a bit. Calmination of defenses, timing, and age.
Either way he wasn't stellar on the road.
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Calzone.............you are looking at it backwards.
He isn't the going to play because of his contract, rather he got the contract because of his play.
One more thing............believe me.............the players aren't complaining about DA being the starter. That is for certain!
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I was actually the person to bring in the Miami game and I knew there would be a post like yours, I think I even mentioned it in my post.
Go back and watch the game. I saw it replayed on NFL Network. It wasn't just highlights.
DA played that game lights out. It wasn't like he was throwing to Braylon who was 10 yards open every time. Go back and watch that game and then we'll talk.
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IMO It's partly the defenses he played, NE, NJY, ARZ, and CINCI all played alot of zone coverage which seemed to be DA's undoing.
Uhmmmm soup............he put up over 50 points against that same Bengal team.
And your post is another reason that stats get a bad name. Will you tell me how well the QBs for the Jets and Bengals played in those two games you mentioned? Do you think that maybe the weather had something to do w/it? High winds kill QBs.
One more thing............I don't think he played all that bad against NE. Hell, we scored quite a few points against them and certainly moved the ball up and down the field. Our offense was still finding itself, and I actually think the offensive success we had in that game gave our team quite a bit of confidence.
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Calzone.............you are looking at it backwards.
He isn't the going to play because of his contract, rather he got the contract because of his play.
I understand that but I was responding to a remark that he would be the opening day starter because he signed a new contract,and I truly believe that will not happen.
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Vers - watched the replay in full, it showed exactly whats good and whats not about DA. He threw BB's all over the field from 10-20 yds. But again he threw bullets innacuratley from the 5-10 yard range.
I agree completely with you, he played awesome against Miami, now if we could just play them every week with little to no film out on DA.
To problem came when teams also watched his early games and saw what we saw, he couldnt convert the short stuff. Teams tried to take his longer throws away playing deep zones.... Beating a dead horse here!
We know what happened...not disagreeing with you Vers angainst Miami, but using one game out of 15, that team being the worst in the NFL, to prove DA has touch and accuracy isn't strong.
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Uhmmmm soup............
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Will you tell me how well the QBs for the Jets and Bengals played in those two games you mentioned? Do you think that maybe the weather had something to do w/it? High winds kill QBs.
Cinci game - Your right Vers it hindered the QB play certainly. But like me, you watched the game and know DA's picks were not wind induced, they were terrible decisions. Had DA just made proper decisions, the Browns win that game and are in.
And whats the excuse in ARZ? The weather? No again terrible decision making.
David Garrad, Tom Brady, Brett Favre played in poor weather late too, sure it hinders your play, but none of those QB's gave games away throwing 4 picks.
Your right it hinders QB play, your wrong that its why DA tanked.
Against NE, DA took sacks, turned the ball over in key moments of momentum again, sure we moved the ball up and down. Again if you look at DA vs. teams early when man to man was played vs. DA late when teams played zone you find the reasons.
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Again if you look at DA vs. teams early when man to man was played vs. DA late when teams played zone you find the reasons.
<<sigh>> I really hate ragging on you, but God man............you make it hard not to. So, it was as simple as teams who play man vs. zone, huh? You might want to check out how many teams play man defense for the majority of its snaps, and then amend that statement.
Oh..............and I didn't bring up Arizona. I wasn't making excuses.
I don't think DA is great. But, I sure as hell know he is better than many of you make him out to be. And I do know that he played pretty damn good football for a first year starter w/virtually no experience. I also know that is the right fit for this offense. I also know that the players believe in him. I also am fairly certain, but have no inside knowledge, that the FO and coaching staff thinks enough of him to give him time to prove himself.
Believe me..............if the QB competition between DA and BQ was remotely close.............BQ would have gotten the nod. He is the guy they invested in. He is the guy they traded picks for. He is the # 1 draft choice. He is the fan favorite. He is the one w/pedigree.
DA is getting the nod because he was infinitely better than Quinn last year in almost every measurable the Browns had on the two. Practices, meetings, staying late, accuracy, grasping of the offense, etc. If he wasn't, believe me...........he would be gone.
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DA is getting the nod because he was infinitely better than Quinn last year in almost every measurable the Browns had on the two. Practices, meetings, staying late, accuracy, grasping of the offense, etc.
That's probably the most assenine statement you've ever made...
Infinitely better at Meetings???...Staying Late???
Please... 
U know what they say about ASSumptions...
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Far be it for me to judge..(thats the kind of thing you say right before you judge others). There is a lot more to life than rehashing pointless debate and insulting people you should consider your friends. Is this really fun? Does anyone really care? The Browns function indifferent to your opinions'. Wouldn't you rather be spending time with friends and family than on here squabbling over quarterbacks, which you have no control over. If you don't have something better to spend your time doing why not take up something new?
Imagine your funeral. What do you want them to say about you? Who do you want to be there? What do you want to do with your life? "He was totally right about Anderson" is not something that is going to survive you. It is meaningless. Celebrate the victories. Celebrate the time spent with friends being entertained. Your life has meaning.
If you really want to care this much about the Browns you either need an intervention from friends and family or you need to pursue a career as an agent of influence. You could write for a paper and influence the minds of the fans. Or you could work as a scout, a water boy, an accountant, you would be making a legitimate influence on the Browns instead of "debating" here.
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DA is getting the nod because he was infinitely better than Quinn last year in almost every measurable the Browns had on the two. Practices, meetings, staying late, accuracy, grasping of the offense, etc.
That's probably the most assenine statement you've ever made...
Infinitely better at Meetings???...Staying Late???
Please...
U know what they say about ASSumptions...
If I could jump in on the Quinn side of this argument...
I'd hope a 3 year veteran would be outdoing a rookie in the film room at first and grasp the offense better (especially after a holdout). But all I've read about concerning Quinn is his tireless work ethic.
Now, I wonder how it's shaking out THIS YEAR so far. Maybe the time on the field has boosted Anderson's film study and meeting study as well, who knows?
The preseason is critical for Quinn in terms of his development...he needs more "live game" snaps to get adjusted, even if it's against 2nd team vanilla defenses. He didn't get enough of it last preseason, partially cuz of his own doing, partially cuz of the QB competition.
I expect Quinn to get an overwhelming majority of the preseason snaps and play more time with the 1's than any backup-not-directly-competing-for-the-starting-job. Even if he's our backup, we have to prepare him like he's the starter in waiting in case of injury or Anderson floppage...this isn't a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning situation yet where the backup is worthless.
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Okay, now we're getting somewhere. The reason I brought up DA's performance at home vs. the road was to generate discussion about something other than DA vs. BQ and because, looking back at the games from what I remember, we seemed struggled a lot more on the road. We won 7 straight home games and DA was a large part of that success. But on the road, we really stumbled out of the blocks a few times. Now, I really don't have a theory and I'm not gonna back up my premise with stats. I just seem to remember DA starting out very slow on the road. The ability to sustain opening drives and establishing a tone early wasn't there, except in Pittsburgh. In Oakland, we got behind early because we didn't seem to develop the rhythm we needed right away and there were some miscues like turnovers IIRC. But later in the game, the offense got it together and we mounted a comeback, albeit too little loo late. St. Louis... same thing. We're down 14-0 before we even got off the bus. DA gets it going and we come back to win. Arizona, Cincy, etc... It seemed to happen several times.
Now, I will say this... I don't think it's fair to put all of our road woes on DA. But he gets a lot of credit for the offensive production, so he gets blame for the times when there was a lack thereof. And in my mind, that seemed to happen more often on the road. The one exception was the Seattle game at home. We were down 22-9 at the half IIRC. Then, second half.... well, we know the rest. So yeah, I really don't have any answers. I was kinda just throwing it out there to see what the wisdom of the board had to say. Just some things I've been thinking about.
And in regards to the Miami game, I mentioned that we should all watch it when I found out it was going to be replayed on NFL Net because a lot of people have been criticizing DA's skills lately, myself included. So I thought it would be a good chance to see him in action during a full game. And I came away very impressed. He made a ton of throws that I previously thought he couldn't make easily or often. I really don't think it matters who they were playing to be quite honest. The point was that he CAN make those throws. He was hitting Wright in stride out of the backfield. He had a beautiful lob to BE's outside shoulder in the endzone for a TD. The ball was there before the DB even had a chance to turn and look for it. There was even a clip of BE saying that before the game DA told him and Kellen that he "will give us opportunities, we just gotta make plays for him". And that's exactly what they did. At that point, I realized that you're right about how the players feel about him. They want him to be the starter. He is the reason they had such great years. So yeah, I'm with you all the way Vers. It just took a little time for me to go back and look at the things you've been saying all along. And I encourage others to do the same.
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j/c
So just thinking here what is the best case scenario for the Browns in the future (looking to the '09 season)--
1.DA keeps the starting job
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2. Quinn steps in and plays just as well
What will have more VALUE in the off season '09. I firmly believe that one of these two guys will be traded at the end of next season. So my question is, who will be more valuable in the open market to trade.
I think the anwer to this question is Quinn will bring the browns more in a trade. He is the first round pick. As long as he shows something in preseason and spot play his value should be high. If Quinn becomes the starter for the browns, then something must have happened to DA. If he tanks it, his value plummets. If its a minor injury that causes him to miss a few games, and Quinn gets a shot, there should still be value. It would all depend on how well he performed prior to missing time.
I don't recall this particular point being discussed, just curious what the board thinks.
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I think you are the one who needs to lighten up. You are taking it way too seriously. We've been arguing over QBs and this team for years now and most of us can still sit down over a beer and laugh about it. It's the fun of sports and a message board to go at it about. Calm down.
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bigfoot: I have expressed this concern occasionally as well. I'm hoping there is still significant value for whoever we decide to get rid of and obviously that will depend on the circumstances that surround the decision to go with Guy A over Guy B. Either way, I don't think the value will be as high as it might have been at one point but there's really no way to ever know, so I guess it's not worth worrying about. At any rate, I think you spelled it out pretty well. Let's just hope that whoever we keep can win us a Superbowl... or four.
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Yeah I am taking it seriously..that doesn't mean i'm not calm about it. Mindless debates keep going and I'm tired of watching people waste their lives. There are so many other ways to spend your time and way more important problems you could be working towards solving. There is a guy trying to cure cancer with radiowaves and pie pans and we are squabbling over quarterbacks, trying to predict the future. It is pointless, none of you have the answer, none of you have any control over the situation, none of you have perfect information, and the subject is entirely irrelevant to the rest of humanity.
My view of the subjects irrelevance and the wasteful nature of the discussion is valid to me and I'll share it openly.
Cheers mates.
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There are so many other ways to spend your time and way more important problems you could be working towards solving.
No offense Kingcob, but do you see any irony in your post, or rather, your decision to post?
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Oh. The Solving The World's Problems board is a few web sites down. I think you clicked on the wrong one.
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You crack me up sometimes 
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I think the anwer to this question is Quinn will bring the browns more in a trade. He is the first round pick.
Ok, but we gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for Quinn. You think that if he sees a total of 2 minutes of playing time this year while riding the pine behind DA that we'd get our money back, so to speak? Not likely at all. Plus he's relatively cheap as long as he's not reaching his incentives, which he won't if he's not starting. It wouldn't make much sense to trade him for...what...maybe a 2nd round pick at best?
Personally, I do think BQ has potential to be much better than DA. But I don't think we're going to see it. I'm really afraid that DA is going to play just like last season. And let's face it, he was good compared to Browns QBs of the recent past, but he wasn't setting the league on fire. And with the new contract, it's going to be tought to justify taking him out when he's playing above average (but not great) QB.
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I'm aware of the irony, it was by observing my own behavior that I came to these conclusions. I was hoping someone might share in my sentiments. Probably deserved its own post instead of in here. I'll work on my persuasion and confrontation skills elsewhere after this post. I really do think you guys are missing out on a lot by spending time posting on here, but I really don't have the specifics of your lives so its ignorant of me to voice that opinion. I'll leave the football junkies alone from now on.
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