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OK let's say KC does offer us the #5 and #17 picks for DA. Before I accept the trade I ask myself the following question. Who am I targeting at those draft positions? Right now that sounds nice 5 and 17, but those are just numbers. Eventually those numbers turn into players. So who would you envision those numbers turning into to make the trade worthwhile?
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I think you go Chris Long at #5 and move the #17 for picks in next years draft. Chris Long would make a nice fit here, played in the 3-4, can play anywhere on that line and by most scouts is a sure thing.
Other scenario is move the #5 pick and go down and get Keith Rivers, then move the #17 pick to either get several second's and thirds or possibly a player and picks.
This is a waste of my time. 
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Somebody, and whats his name.   I don't know any specific players, but I would trade the # 5 for a 2nd and a 3rd if I could.
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Chris Long and Mike Jenkins.
I pull the trigger on that trade instantaneously. Not happening though...not close.
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Amazing how some of you always have the gift of turning things around. It's being reported that Savage and RAC are saying that DA is the starter. His teammates believe in him. The guy has upside. ETc, etc.
And what do you all get out of it? Trade DA.
What if we were offered #5 and #17 from KC?
That's the only, and I mean only way I trade him.
Damn, I know that's not going to happen, but damn.
That's kind of crazy to think about. Can you imagine how much we could shore up our D right there?
Getting a guy like Gholston or (preferably) Chris Long at 5, then a corner like Talib, Cromartie or maybe even Mayo or Groves later on.
Then you wouldn't have a controversey. Our D would be shored up quite well with the offseason moves.
Remember a guy named Trent Dilfer? Yeah, he won a Super Bowl. You don't always have to have a high profile QB to win it all. It helps, and trust me we have about the best QB situation in the league. Savage isn't going to do it, so I don't know why I'm talking about it.
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Savage isn't going to do it yeah, i don't think we have to worry about that, no way KC even gives the option.....
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Amazing how some of you always have the gift of turning things around. It's being reported that Savage and RAC are saying that DA is the starter. His teammates believe in him. The guy has upside. ETc, etc.
And what do you all get out of it? Trade DA.
What if we were offered #5 and #17 from KC?
That's the only, and I mean only way I trade him.
Damn, I know that's not going to happen, but damn.
That's kind of crazy to think about. Can you imagine how much we could shore up our D right there?
Getting a guy like Gholston or (preferably) Chris Long at 5, then a corner like Talib, Cromartie or maybe even Mayo or Groves later on.
5 and 17?
if we were at 5... i would take McFadden in a heartbeat, and get the best OLB at 17...
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Wow, you guys must be passin' around the good stuff. I missed out! 
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Then we could take Matt Ryan. 
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Everyone knows teams need three good quarterbacks.
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For two firsts...one top 5? When you have a talented QB sitting behind him that was a first round graded QB? When you have awesome players everywhere on offense?
Yes you make that trade...bottom line he's not proven enough to warrant that from a team so don't worry about it.
OMG....same old soup.
There have been articles posted saying that Savage and RAC have proclaimed DA the starter. There are articles attesting to how the players like him. There is information out there that the brass thinks he has a huge upside. There is information out there that says he helps his OL.
But, I didn't see ANY information out there that said KC was going to trade two first round picks for him.
You guys are nonsensical..........and that is being nice.
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Wow, you guys must be passin' around the good stuff. I missed out!
That's kinda what I was thinking.
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For two firsts...one top 5? When you have a talented QB sitting behind him that was a first round graded QB? When you have awesome players everywhere on offense?
Yes you make that trade...bottom line he's not proven enough to warrant that from a team so don't worry about it.
OMG....same old soup.
There have been articles posted saying that Savage and RAC have proclaimed DA the starter. There are articles attesting to how the players like him. There is information out there that the brass thinks he has a huge upside. There is information out there that says he helps his OL.
But, I didn't see ANY information out there that said KC was going to trade two first round picks for him.
You guys are nonsensical..........and that is being nice.
Vers, I think it was more of a "what would you do if it happened sort of thing."
I really don't think anyone believes it could happen. Relax a little.
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LOL...........you still don't get it. The point is that despite all the positive and even glowing remarks coming out from Berea about DA, some of you are still so infatuated w/BQ that you are dreaming of scenarios to trade DA. 
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Vers buddy, I think you've defended your stance adequately and you shouldn't have to keep repeating yourself to certain people. It's clear that people are going to think whatever they want or come up with certain ideas for different reasons. Don't go beating yourself up over it. Time will tell who wins this battle.
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Time will tell who wins this battle.
I think it's already been decided. My stance from the beginning was that DA was not nearly as bad as people were making him out to be and that the Browns should keep both QBs for this upcoming year.
As far as which QB ultimately is better..............I have no idea. I want to make that clear.............I am NOT fighting that battle.
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LOL...........you still don't get it.
The point is that despite all the positive and even glowing remarks coming out from Berea about DA, some of you are still so infatuated w/BQ that you are dreaming of scenarios to trade DA.
No Vers, YOU don't get it. You have an agenda to go out and put everyone in their place.
Someone simply stated about trading DA to KC, and I had some fun with it. I admitted that it's not going to happen, but just figured I'd play along because I found it interesting how we could really strengthen our D that way. So what? You have to learn to take things with a grain of salt.
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There have been articles posted saying that Savage and RAC have proclaimed DA the starter. There are articles attesting to how the players like him. There is information out there that the brass thinks he has a huge upside. There is information out there that says he helps his OL.
Compared to who? Charlie Frye?
I would agree with that.
And as far as "what the players 'like'"???
I highly doubt that RAC or Savage make their decisions based on "What the players like". I believe they base it on the best player at the position. If not? We're in DEEP trouble!
And you are right about DA "being the starter". At least going "into" training camp.
Everything else is pure conjecture.
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My stance from the beginning was that DA was not nearly as bad as people were making him out to be
So when you say that "your stance on DA from the beginning". By beginning, do you mean when Phil picked him up off waivers, when it was DA or Frye, or DA vs Quinn as the starter.
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There have been articles posted saying that Savage and RAC have proclaimed DA the starter. There are articles attesting to how the players like him. There is information out there that the brass thinks he has a huge upside. There is information out there that says he helps his OL.
Compared to who? Charlie Frye?
I would agree with that.
And as far as "what the players 'like'"???
I highly doubt that RAC or Savage make their decisions based on "What the players like". I believe they base it on the best player at the position. If not? We're in DEEP trouble!
And you are right about DA "being the starter". At least going "into" training camp.
Everything else is pure conjecture.
I think this is half true and half not true.
What I mean by that is I have heard several times from Savage's mouth either via press conference or interview that they want to see if DA can build off of what he did last year ... that he was 10-5 as a starter ... threw 29 touchdowns ... 7-0 at home ... etc., etc...
From that perspective, I think they do want him to start.
Now they do advocate competition, but I don't think Quinn is going to really get the chance to 'compete'. They will be keeping a close eye on Quinn in training camp and preseason to get a comfort level with making a switch, if they need to.
No matter what DA does in camp or preseason, they want to see what he can do in the games.
JMHO...
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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So when you say that "your stance on DA from the beginning". By beginning, do you mean when Phil picked him up off waivers, when it was DA or Frye, or DA vs Quinn as the starter.
No. I was unclear about that. I apologize.
By beginning..........I meant after the season this year. There was a lot of discussion on here. Many people were saying that DA would not be here. I guess I was wrong to say "from the beginning." What I was talking about was whether we should keep both QBs or not. And that conversation began after the season. Well, actually towards the end of the season. Don't wanna mess up again. *L*
Before the season, I thought DA sucked. I wouldn't have cared if he would have been cut during preseason. I didn't believe in his abilities. I heard some things from players, but I just didn't see it.
I watched him play this year and he changed my mind. He did it w/his play. I was wrong to judge him too early. I can admit when I am wrong and the guy proved me wrong. He earned my respect.
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I certainly was one that said that DA would not be on our team by draft's end. However, that was based on our glaring needs up front on D. Once we acquired Williams and Rogers the glaring need to unload DA for picks went away and I immediately changed my tune to 'Why would we trade DA?'.
Was I wrong? Yes and maybe not. I still think that if we hadn't been able to do anything with the front 7 then DA would've been used to make it happen.
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Just throwing this out there...
We all have our opinions on who we think the better QB will be...I THINK it will be Quinn.
But I can't for the life of me understand why people think Anderson is a finished product? I've had numerous debates this past weekend alone and it always comes out "Anderson's not gonna get any better. Period." It was his first year starting and third year in the league, and he was not a polished prospect when he came in!
How much do I think he will improve? Only marginally, and I honestly had a dream scenario in my head where the Chiefs traded #5 and #17 for him, but I'm not ready to throw him out with the bathwater.
I can't for the life of me understand why people don't want to wait and see in camp and preseason, and finally in the regular season.
Personally? I don't think he can develop a consistent short game...but I don't KNOW that. I want to KNOW before we unload him.
Knowing who our QB of the future is is more important than a 1st round pick this year...but the #5 and #17? I wasn't sure about that one.
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Personally? I don't think he can develop a consistent short game...but I don't KNOW that. I want to KNOW before we unload him.
And you'll get your wish. I don't even know why some of you are still debating this. The draft has come and gone. DA is still here. He'll still be here all season. We'll find out if he's gotten better. If he hasn't, at some point, Quinn will replace him. With our schedule being the way it is, I'd expect the BYE week to be a good time to make a move if we have to. But until then, there's no use debating this any further.
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