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By physical, I wasn't talking about injuries.
I am talking about not being as physically gifted as someone else.
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I've never mentioned AD's physical abilities due to the mental block he has ..if he was able to diagnose a simple run play properly he could make the stops..
Thats all it's ever been with him..the mental part of the game not the physical stuff..
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I was always under the impression that his speed was a strength of AD's, & that he's a pretty good tackler.
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My opinion of AD is this...
Until recently, the guys around him made him look better than average. There is a reason he stayed when RAC and Phil came in and so many others got the boot. He was one of our best players then. Now, it's a different story. He is surrounded by talented players so his weaknesses stand out more. He is no longer one of our best players. It's not that his level of performance changed, it's the level of talent around him that changed.
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I'd like all of our 5th round picks to turn out like A.Davis...we'd be a better team becuase of it.
Remember, he enteried this leauge with question marks..thats why he was availible in the 5th round, we've gotten alot of desent play from him, he hasent been a trouble maker, stepped up and became a leader for us when nobody else would. so I'm not gonna toss A.Davis under the bus.....Is it time to look to replace him with younger better yes, but for what he's given ya cant ask for more out of a 5th rounder.
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Ya know the guy was named a Captain. Rarely does a team name a guy a Captain who doesn't lead the team on and off the field. I know it's cool to make fun of Davis and talk about how much he sucks, but he's better than a lot of people claim him to be. I'm not one to get into this discussion, because I'm sure we'll get a million "WHOW SNAPS DAVIS GOT PWNED LAST YEAR BY WILLIE PARKER, ROTFLMAO," but the guy is a key part of the Browns defense. He had a bad year last year, but let's not gloss over what's he done for this team. The Browns may end up being better with him rotating with Leon Williams, but that doesn't mean he's worthless.
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You're right Clay. Pretty good for a 5th rounder. I don't think I was throwing him under the bus either. He is what he is.
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I don't think I was throwing him under the bus either. He is what he is.
Sorry man....You werent, I wasnt directing that at you or anybody, just a general statement on my side.... 
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Ya know the guy was named a Captain. Rarely does a team name a guy a Captain who doesn't lead the team on and off the field. I know it's cool to make fun of Davis and talk about how much he sucks, but he's better than a lot of people claim him to be. I'm not one to get into this discussion, because I'm sure we'll get a million "WHOW SNAPS DAVIS GOT PWNED LAST YEAR BY WILLIE PARKER, ROTFLMAO," but the guy is a key part of the Browns defense. He had a bad year last year, but let's not gloss over what's he done for this team. The Browns may end up being better with him rotating with Leon Williams, but that doesn't mean he's worthless.
The only way Davis can be productive is as a situational player and emotional leader. If we ask for him to play downs where it is A) Obvious that they will run or B) He has to play man to man on someone then were are not going to be good.
I just have one question...what does Davis bring to the table besides a emotional leader? Because I sure as heck can't see anything positive in his play for the past 2-3 seasons.
you had a good run Hank.
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Davis when he's healthy is a sturdy inside run defender. If this piece is true about his ankle, it makes sense why he struggled so much last year. He's able to turn and run in coverage with tight ends also. Is an under-utilized blitzer too.
So my question to everyone...if the guys blows as bad as you say he does...why does he keep getting named Captain?
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He's solid, and dependable. Not great, but good. His best asset is his smarts, he's very good at reading the offense, just not that good at shedding blocks and tackling.
I agree, BUT if he doesn't learn to fill the hole, instead of just plowing into a pileup he won't be around in 2009.
He'll be 30 this season. He should have "learned" to fill a hole years ago.
I point this out only to reinforce the point that Davis isn't going to become a better player. Most likely, his skills are on the decline. His production should improve, but his best days as a 'backer are behind him. You don't go from a 3-down guy to a 2-down guy then back again.
Davis isn't trash, but he isn't going to get better and his best days are behind him. His future as a Brown is cloudy at best, where he'll be looking at minimum salary/incentive-laden contract offers if he gets any at all. I hope he can put it together one more year, as we need him to be the guy he was a couple of years ago.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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It seems to me that every year there is someone that gets press in their face and says something like "I am going to make up for last year and trust me, I am going to have a bust out year."
I got tired of hearing Little change Warren say that every spring. Eh.. lets see it.
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Already said by some, but... By NFL standards AD is slow to the ball, bites too easily and does not tackle well at a position where that skill is critical. Quote:
"Now that we have a bigger D-line, I don't have to be 255 or 260 [pounds] to take on the guards anymore," Davis said. "I can get back to my natural weight which is around 245 and just be able to run.
Was that his choice or was he advised to carry that weight? I would think that not losing the steps would have been a better choice. The most significant game AD had last year was against Buffalo. Why? Because the field conditions slowed everyone down. Think about it.
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He's also motivated by his desire to remain a Brown. "I don't want to play anywhere else," he said.
Would he play anywhere else? Or at least see the field as much as he does with our defense? I think the writing is on the wall and he is smart enough to realize it. Please trust that I am not flaming and I know this is a cynical angle to take on a statement like that. While I do appreciate such a sentiment and do believe that it is genuine, I simply believe that when AD is replaced we will have improved defensively.
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In 2005, Davis signed a five-year contract extension worth $20 million, including base salaries of $3 million in 2008, $3.75 million in '09 and $4.1 million in 2010.
Didn't Savage negotiate that contract? A stop gap? Market value at that time? It is all about market value after all, which is why I suspect this pay cut was so "graciously" accepted.
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Davis also thinks new defensive coordinator Mel Tucker, who replaced the fired Todd Grantham, will have a positive effect.
"He can relate to us a whole lot more," Davis said. "I think he's going to listen to us and our ideas
I wish Tuck all the best and I'm sure he will be listening to Romeo first. Coaches make a living from doing the talking. Hopefully AD listens.
If he listens he has the opportunity to....
....play his position and no one else's
....take the correct angle on a consistent basis
....tackle
....scrape off blocks
....be a playmaker within a few yards of the line of scrimmage
AD has always been an easy guy to like, but I tend to think that many of us respect his play only because of a "wheat from the chaff" kind of thing. In other words, he was a 4th round pick that appeared to excel, but that was relative to the talent around him. Jamal's 295 yards can define that. Prior to that game AD was thought to be a rising star of our D, but Lewis's record setting performance defined our defense for what it was and exploited AD's previously stated weaknesses for what they are.
Perhaps another way to look at it is to compare AD to D'Qwell. If we expect to succeed, we need to compliment DQ's play with comparable abilities beside him. I suppose that is my ultimate point.
What I do hope is that Andra can take advantage of having DQ beside him and that our hopefully upgraded D line helps to free him up to follow the right angles. What I do hope is that AD's stated film watching helps to improve his tackling and understand the importance of maintaining his position. I hope that Mcginest has not lost a step, but instead was only showing the result of the early season back problems. I hope that a young secondary....oh my.....well I hope we limit the time that opposing QBs have to throw. I hope we can at least match last years win total.
I hope we have as much fun watching our '08 team as we did last year and I do actually hope for nothing but best for Andra.
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I know Leon Williams is more popular in Cleveland now than Kelly Holcomb, circa 2003; but he's on the bench behind Davis right now for a reason. Williams drove coaches at Miami insane with his total inability to pick up a defense and play pass coverage. The Browns have had to build him up from scratch. So there's a point where we need to trust the coaches...and right now the lesson to learn is that Davis is better than Williams RIGHT NOW.
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Just so U know where I stand on Davis..not that it's any secret..I've said this for several years now...
He is not instintive enough..he is often out of position , or following a play when he gets caught and gets blocked down where he can't recover..
He takes bad angles up toward a back often overshifting and allowing a blocker to lock on, which allows the back to go right in the area he vacated.
I've seen him too many times watching a back shifting one way and Davis will immediately vacant his spot and move and then the back cuts back into his area..
I am not advocating Williams to take over, I've seen his problems as well..But for this team to be solid up the gut..we need a instinctive enforcer who can read a play and get up in the hole and fill it..
I'm not impressed/blinded by numbers(as some are in here who love to to boast about tackle numbers)..if U're piling up 10-12tackles a game make sure most of them are 1- 5 yard stops..not 5 -10 yards downfield..
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j/c back  ... Leon is a novelty to me. An athlete that is capable of good things. For whatever reason he reminds of Hollywood Henderson (Cowboys..... years ago). It is interesting that he is a Captain and not an every down player. I didn't think of that appointment until you mentioned it. That is probably an award to leadership and tenure, but it still does not speak to his weaknesses. I was late to the party in sharing my opinion of AD so I've pretty much repeated what has been said. Still though, it is what I have felt for some time. Quote:
a sturdy inside run defender.
Maybe at about 4 yards or so beyond the LOS. I'd like to wrong about that, but don't think I am. Angle, anticipation and speed have worked against him. Maybe the film room can help on the first two of those...maybe.
AD doesn't suck. It's about trying to build a competitive defense and Andra should likely have a limited role in that hopeful achievement...jmho
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We all need to realize what AD is... An average LB with good intelligence, heart, size and physical ability. That is what we have and will continue to see... When you watch him play you can see what he is... He does not; react well, tackle well, take proper angles, shed well, is out of position to often and takes to many chances. If you are an outstanding athlete with insticts some of these issues aren't always as big a deal, can be made up for and aren't as aparent. When you're not then you see what happens. IMO On a good team/D AD would be a back up/rotation LB IMO. A guy who is what he is and steady. He will be upgraded. As a team I feel and have felt that our LB's are an area of concern and weakness. Other than KW and DJ who have some growing learning & improving to do and are and will be good solid LB's for the Browns, who do we have that stands out? Nada. 2 out of 4 doens't get the job done. PS and crew made a decision this off season to focus on the D-Line. Which IMO was is the biggest area of need. IMO the LB's will be next... And Attack as you and I nearly always say CB is next...
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