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I like "back to basics"... A simple solution The Browns added considerable bulk in the form of defensive linemen Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams this offseason, but they're trimming down in other areas. Coach Romeo Crennel is considering simplifying the defense as the club transitions to a new coordinator in Mel Tucker. The Browns gave up more first downs than every team but the Lions and were one of the league's worst units against the run. Crennel apparently thinks it might have been a result of players being overloaded, so look for the Browns to get back to basics. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2008/04/13/no_mocking_career_choice/?page=5
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Fine with me. I'd rather do 10 things well than 20 things poorly.
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so look for the Browns to get back to basics.
Like tackling? Yeah, that sounds like a plan. 
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That's interesting. I've always liked Tucker, but I have no clue how he's going to do when he takes over the defense.
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less thinking....more tackling & more hitting  
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Little less conversation, little more action? 
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so look for the Browns to get back to basics.
Tackle the guy with the ball 
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so look for the Browns to get back to basics.
Tackle the guy with the ball
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so look for the Browns to get back to basics.
Tackle the guy with the ball
Before he gains yards.
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Simplify our defense?!?!?!
We had the simplest defense in the league last year!!!!!!!
Blitz on 3rd with 1 extra rusher (KAM) and give away our blitz 4 seconds too early.
It was simple. We knew what we were doing, and so did everyone else. What can they mean simplify?!
Thats like simplifying PB&J. can you?
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Less emphasis on the fancy blitz's and formations. More emphasis on tackling, positioning, leverage, keeping plays in front of you...fundamentals. All the top defenses are always fundamentally sound.
I like it alot, get'em ready RAC and Mel.
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Wait a minute.......... didn't Grantham get alot of heat on this board for running a defense that was "too simple"?
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na i hear that, and i agree, thatll be good.
I hope we do in fact do that, and do it all year. It'll be a great help
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less thinking....more tackling & more hitting
Sounds good to me
I think a lot of times defenses out think themselves... they just need to go out there and nail some people.
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Wait a minute.......... didn't Grantham get alot of heat on this board for running a defense that was "too simple"?
LOL............yes, he did. Ironic, isn't it? 
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I think the criticism is that the play calling was too simple and predictable. A complex defense is one where players have to make reads based on what the offense does and adjust their assignments based on such. In doing so players tend to be out of position too much and then start delaying to think about what they should be doing instead of just reacting.
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Grantham got blasted for running to bland a defense, not for simplifying it. Vers, you know enough football from your coaching days to know the difference.
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I think he got blasted on here because too many people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Some were ready to make him the head coach before the season and even after the first few weeks. Then, all of a sudden, he is a bumbling idiot.
I'm not criticizing firing TG. If there was a riff between he and the head coach, then he needed to go.
I have defended him when people say he tanked games. That's absurd, and I think you know that.
I also have defended his schemes. They were solid. The problem was the lack of talent at crucial positions on the defense.
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I agree it is absurd to say that he was tanking. Some of his schemes were solid and I understand why he went vanilla many of the times. I'm just saying there is a difference between going vanilla and simplifying things.
I lked Grantham, but as you said, if there was a rift between him and RAC, he had to go. I was also one of his defenders.
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Less emphasis on the fancy blitz's and formations. More emphasis on tackling, positioning, leverage, keeping plays in front of you...fundamentals. All the top defenses are always fundamentally sound.
I like it alot, get'em ready RAC and Mel.
That sounds more like what they teach in high school and college football, you would think by now in the nfl after making all that money they should be seasoned at those fundamentals.
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I do have to admit that I wasn't impressed with the declining numbers on defense, but I'd have given him at least one more year with the new DL but for the alleged rift between him and RAC.
Although, I REALLY REALLY like Tucker.
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That sounds more like what they teach in high school and college football, you would think by now in the nfl after making all that money they should be seasoned at those fundamentals.
Yes, it amazes me how so many NFL players get lazy on their fundamentals. The Browns certainly are not a fundamentally sound defense, I like the fact that RAC see's it and is aiming to fix it.
Watch the steelers or colts defense tackle, then watch our defense tackle, it's sad. We take poor angles, tackle way to high. Too many times guys overun the play or get out of their gaps causing big gains.
Plus, I think some of our defensive players are thinking too much instead of just flowing to the ball and hitting. Again when you watch some of the best defenses they know where to be and then just get after it, the gang tackle well and drive the ball carrier back. It just floors me to see 2-3 guy gettin drug downfield because they have ahold the guys shoulder pads.
You learn to tackle low in pee-wee league, a good dose of defense 101 will help this unit.
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I think he got blasted on here because too many people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Some were ready to make him the head coach before the season and even after the first few weeks. Then, all of a sudden, he is a bumbling idiot.
I agree, if a guy is good then he is good if he sucks then he plain sucks. But more often then not posters change directions more time then the wind does. I always felt that TG was an OK coach, I wouldn't want to say that he was near great becuase you have to prove it. His schemes were sound the talent he had wasn't. If they where we wouldn't have gone out and made the changes we did.
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I'm not criticizing firing TG. If there was a riff between he and the head coach, then he needed to go.
Again right you are, by all appearances TG and RAC were at odds with each other, and that cannot be allowed, TG had to go, period..
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I have defended him when people say he tanked games. That's absurd, and I think you know that.
Coaches don't tank games players do. And I think the players were fed up with TG and stopped responding to him.. That was as much the problem as anything IMO.
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I also have defended his schemes. They were solid. The problem was the lack of talent at crucial positions on the defense.
Spot on remark, his schemes were sound, but his reasoning wasn't. IF you have a defense made up of sub par talent in key postions it is IMO critical that the coach find out what player strengths are from the talent pool he has, and then try to design and play to that strength. In all honesty I think that is a basic of coaching. I think TG had a defense that was based on what he wanted instead of what he actually had, and the defense while admittedly sub standard in terms of talent wasn't as good as they could have been had TG been a better coach, that knew how to work with what he had.
When RAC got involved the defense became a more high risk defense, that was far more productive.
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I always liked Grantham. He was on the short end of the stick when it came to the talent on the team. I don't think you could have schemed simple enough for what he had and in some cases what we still have.
I was surprised and disappointed at the stories coming out around his firing. The whole story may never come out but, a lot of what was said seemed bogus to me. If he and RAC had problems that's a good enough reason in and of itself, I don't need the crap that came out surrounding it.
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soup, once again I disagree w/you.
NFL coaches don't teach tackling. When was the last time anyone saw the Browns...or any team........tackle during camp?
They might talk about it, but they don't practice it. Contact is kept to a minimum in NFL camps and practices. They surely don't run between pads and practice form tackling. They don't angle guys and have guys practice getting their face across someone's body and then bury him into the ground. It just doesn't happen.
These guys are supposed to know how to tackle when they get here. They might do some angle drills, but the contact is minimal and they don't tackle each other.
Once again..........I think you are talking out your behind.
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soup? Try getting a fact or two straight before assuming your right.
Yes, they SHOULD know by the time they get to the NFL. Unfortunatley QB's should have great mechanics, RB's should know how to block, DB's should know how to fnd the ball, if players were done deals why have positional coaches?
Players get lax all the time on fundamentals, and thankfully RAC see's it, since it is a major problem. Some teams tackle well consistently while others don't. It is something that has to be tweaked in the NFL.
If you read the tidbit above RAC isn't talking bout simplfying the scheme he's talking about simplfying technique and the focus of the defense, towards the simple things. I.E. , what Tony Dungy did to change the Colts defense 180.
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No soup.............you are wrong again.
NFL teams do NOT tackle in practices. They can't do it because they can't risk injuring players by practicing tackling drills. Get freaking real.
And you also misinterpreted the scheme comment too. Believe me........RAC has always ran a simple scheme w/very blitzes. He doesn't gamble a lot. He runs base defenses that eliminates a lot of different assignments and responsibilities for the defenders. But, what they do have to do.......they do right.
I think a lot of you are going to be disappointed in the blitzing thing. You aren't going to see more of it. You'll probably see less. NE rarely blitzed when RAC was there. Well timed blitzes will be utilized, but we won't be a blitz happy team like the Steelers and Eagles are.
You will see a more fundamental defense w/simpler schemes that doesn't allow big plays and preaches that guys are in their assigned areas.
And while many of you won't like.............I love it!
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No soup.............you are wrong again.
It takes someone special to be arrogant about being wrong, it would be great if once you could use some facts or something real, rather than insults or false assumptions.
But hey, everyone has their own ways.
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It takes someone special to be arrogant about being wrong,
LOL............you got that right.
So soup, are you telling me the Browns are going to be doing tackling drills in practices this year? Are you telling me that there are NFL teams that do practice tackling?
No way do teams have their players practice tackling other players in practice. Just give it up, already. You're dead freaking wrong.
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You're right, Vers. Also, there are coaches that will fine a player for taking another player to the ground. No way will a team risk injury by going live in tackling during camp or practice.
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Again if you would read things, and not read INTO things and assume your opinions are fact you would see nowhere did I claim the Browns will be devoting camp to "tackling drills".
A simple film session will help the tackling immensly, its about preaching the fundamentals, you are right that teams don't run drills to teach tackling. BUT you would be wrong if you say NFL teams don't devote time and effort to ensure proper fundamentals even at the NFL level. RAC is gonna make it a point to drill it into players heads the simple fundmentals, because this defense doesn't and hasn't shown them in recent years. RAC is sayin rather then try and devote time to making us a more complex unit, he'd rather devote time to getting back to the basics.
I would grealty appreciate it if you would stop calling me soup...thanx.
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I would grealty appreciate it if you would stop calling me soup...thanx.
Why are you going by stew now? 
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i don't really understand why everyone is preaching fundimentals.....these guys know how to tackle.....
this is about one thing, and one thing only.....eliminating mental mistakes...
make sure guys are in the right position, and then they can make the tackle with their body...
if they are out of position we see a valant effort at an arm tackle, and then the fans are screaming that you don't tackle with your arms...
this is about no blown coverages....know your assignments...
how this gets broken down to something as base as tackling is beyond me...i know how to tackle...but i was too slow to get into position...
these guys need to know there role, and be in the right place, and all the tackles and sacks, and picks will come...
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Okay, I'm compelled to add my $.02 on this one. NRTU racer. It's not about tackling, practicing how to tackle, or even watching film on how to tackle. It's about less-complicated schemes that allow our players to react and make plays instead of thinking about everything and then reacting. You want your defensive players to read and react, not stop and think. I am thrilled that they're going to take some of the guesswork out of our defense and devise schemes that allow them to just play sound fundamental football.
Sounds to me like Romeo got too used to the complicated schemes that the Pats ran and wanted to mold that same kind of style to the players here in Cleveland. And as we've found out in recent years on the other side of the ball, you have to mold the scheme to fit the players, not vice versa.
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Hey, whatever works, do it.
Theoretically we should be able to get to the QB more effectively with our front 4 anyway.
I would like to see more up the middle blitzing this year though, another effect of having Rogers and Williams will be the fact that our ILB's shouldn't be running into the OL wall when they blitz up the middle now.
I could see us blitzing less but being more creative when we do it because of what the DL brings to the table now.
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I could see us blitzing less but being more creative when we do it because of what the DL brings to the table now.
I agree Ammo. When it comes to the use of the blitz, sometimes less is more.
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i am replying to you....lol
i think were after the same thing.....by keeping it simple the players know there responsiblitys and they don't have to think about it...they are where they are supposed to be and from there they do what they do best....play football....
i think were on the same page....
more complicated schemes are fine, but imo they are for a veteran defense that has the basic defense down pat....then i see nothing wrong with adding a wrinkle or two to throw apposing offenses off...but you have to establish that consistant base defense first...
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Instead of so much read and react I'd rather see more attacking style..blitzes that come from CB's..safeties..LB's who are standing up and moving around..
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I understand Attack (no pun intended), however, in order to blitz effectively there needs to be a lot of disguising, which involves thinking and communication. Oftentimes, teams that live by the blitz, die by the blitz. We have a very young secondary. Blitzing constantly would put a lot of pressure on them. A blitz-heavy defense is one that can already do the fundamentals well and is intelligent enough to know multiple responsibilities. They have to be led by a veteran secondary who can make reads early and often and then communicate effectively to the front 7 so that everyone knows which gap their shooting, who's scraping, who's taking on the double-team, who's dropping into coverage, etc.. With all of that said, it doesn't sound like that's the route we're going to take.
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