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Here's how I'd like to see it shake out next year:

1a.: Joe Jurevicious
1b.: Travis Wilson
Slot: Cribbs
4th: Braylon

Reasoning: We knows Cutt's gone, end of story there.

Braylon has lousy hands, is a pretty-boy Hollywood [censored]. Unless he learns to catch (the boy is 24 or so, 'bout time he learned already), he's a waste. Put him on the bench and see if he'll grow up. Hell, cut him for all I care, at this moment anyways.

JJ is a professional, great hands, and has heart. We waited far too long to find him on the field.

Wilson: I really hope steps up and I would like to see him take Braylon's job. This is his chance to make an impact because Braylon isn't getting it done and is starting to be seen as a locker room liability.

Cribbs: Has more courage than Edwards and 'Cutt combined.

What are your thoughts??

Thoughts???

U don't take your BEST WEAPON off the field...Don't give a rats ass how much u don't like em'...

What you're implying there is NO SPEED at all...

Never gonna happen Lampy...

Braylon, Joe .... Trav as 3 and Cribbs as 4 ...

if he sits Brey he should be fired .,,,,,

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"Best weapon" !!! <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

OK, I respect everyone's opinion, even that one. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Cribbs has speed. And do we know TW doesn't?

Braylon is first Lamp. He gets another year to prove that drafting him wasn't a mistake. No WAY is he last. Not a chance. Joe is second, then Wilson and then Cribbs.

Put down the pipe Lampy. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Agreed. Hopefully, Crennel will step it up and put Mr. Michigan in his place.

Maybe you don't like the guy but he's still our best wide receiver. Led the team in yards, YPC and TD's...and led all wideouts in catches with 61.

If we had other talent that would allow us to prove a point, teach the guy a lesson and sit him on the bench, I would be for it. Unfortunately, we're going in to next season with a KR and a 2nd year player with 1 career catch.

Braylon will be fine......and if he's not, he'll take a seast on the bench or be shipped out of town.

Was this thread started as a joke to see how riled up you could get people?

You weren't serious, were you?

Are you and ImpactPlaya friends?

I like the way you think...but....I don't see it happening. We have too much money invested in him to not play him....regardless of drops, not knowing the playbook, calling out his teammates, half-assed route running, not fighting for the ball and being a disruption in the huddle.... <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I don't think he's our best weapon, or should be our number one option, but until we get a running game, I expect to see him on the field at least 90% of the time, unless he totally blows up the locker room ala Terrell Owens.... which is always a distinct possibility.... <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />...then he should get a 4 game supension without pay.... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> and be put off the team in 2008, when we don't take such a high cap hit to get rid of him...

I would not have a problem with Braylon being moved down the depth chart during the off season or at the start of TC, just to see if he a.) responds by working harder and keeping his piehole shut or b.) sulks. But the truth is if Joe J is our 1A WR ... we have problems. Travis Wilson wasn't even good enough to play until game 15 and Cribbs has not impressed me as the 2nd coming of Antwan Randall-El. Braylon has to be the guy, or he has to be replaced from outside through the draft or FA.

I'm not a fan of BE right now, but he's our #1 with JJ #2. He needs to work on his attitude and work on his hands a bit... but the guy had what? 800 yards this year on a bum leg... I hope he continues to heal and get stronger and just hope someone teaches him how to work hard and keep his mouth shut.

As much as Ewards deserves to ride the pine, I doubt that Savage would even consider letting that happen. It would make him look like a complete idiot drafting a WR at the #3 spot and sitting him on the bench...

I agree Edwards needs to be made a example of to show these guys don't matter who or were you are drafted , You cause problems and make mistakes repeatedly you have consequences.

The way to get at Edwards is you throw to him but you let the other WR ers get the touchdowns. He is the kind of guy that feeds off glory .But has no guts. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

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I would have no problem with Rac telling Leon that unless he learns the playbook, learns to run routes, learns to catch the ball, learns to block and learns how to keep his mouth shut, he will be picking splinters out of his arse.

I could not agree more.

[color:"orange"]As a coach - if I have to suspend BE...then I suspend him.

But to downgrade him to #4 WR I think will only get him to pout and complain and retard him to a non-entity and a wasted pick.

If I got to smack him in the face...I smack him with a suspension...humble him and show him who's boss but get him back better than ever!

#1 BE
#2 TW
Slot JJ if Cribbs develop I see him here.

JJ??? Well JJ has always had trouble finishing a season. His best work has come when a man goe down and especially as he is getting up in years. This way if somebody goes down for the count or a couple of games.

JJ is best to come in and do an excellent job. Its what he's done most of his career and done it well!

I like JJ...a lot and lets bring him in for mismatches in the RedZone. But as a WR for 16 games...I'm ready to give that to our 2 1st day picks. If they can't handle it...then they should go.

JMHO

Lampy Lampy Lampy ole buddy,,, Your hatred for Edwards is showing..

But I have to admit a pretty high level of frustration with his drops and his mouth... so to some degree, I share your feelings regarding Edwards..

Now while I won't go as far as another poster and say he's our best weapon, I'll say he is without a doubt a weapon..

He played in 16 games last season, started 15 (we all know he blew it RAC or he probably would have started 16) He had 61 receptions for 884 yards and a 14.5 average yards per catch..

1st round pick numbers,,,, well, no, not really, but somewhat respectable anyway..

Going strickly from memory, I can think of 15 balls he dropped that were or appeared very catchable.. had he used his head,,, he might have had as many as 76 catches and what that would have amounted to in yardsis anyones guess, but I'd say, he could have hit 1000 yards...That's the kinda potential you want to put on the bench or cut..

Lampy,, That's tough to do whether you personally like the player or not..

Now, back to the rest of the receiver corp... Travis Wilson, for whatever reason, wasn't given many opportunities to show his talents,, but the few times he was, he did pretty well.. I'd like to see a lot more of him..

I love what Cribbs brings to the Offense.. he's such a weapon and just needs to be used more and in many different ways.

JJ is Mr Steady,, Good hands, seemingly excellent route running,, downfield blocking.. not spectacular,,, but a solid vet and someone I hope can help teach edwards and wilson... one can only hope. JJ is a good solid number 2 if Edwards would ever get and keep his head in the game and his mouth shut.

Where Wilson fits,,, 2, 3 or 4 is yet to be determined, but from what little I've seen,, he has talent..

Basically, what I'm saying is this,, Get them a line that will give Charlie or whoever more time, and we have the receivers to do the job very well.. add in KW2 and Heiden,,,, now your talking.

1. JJ
2. BE
3. Wilson
4. Cribbs/FA

j/c

i don't see the fascination with cribbs, he's not a very good reciever yet, yeah he's fast, but thats the extent..he dropped some balls this year too, and as a returner, since he signed that extension i can count on half a hand how many times he got past the 35. i predict a FA WR or another 3/4 round pick on a WR to fill that slot or #2 role

What the hell? I know Braylon has had his moments with this team throughout the year, but if not Winslow, then Braylon is our go to guy. He's played a year and half people. It's funny how everyone focuses on his droppsies and mouth, but dont see the catches he does make. Braylon, just like the QB and RB will benefit from getting an offensive line. He is a deep threat, although not a burner, he had decent speed with great hands, and very good leeping ability. Now I know, you're all laughing because I said he has great hands. He does, although he has dropped some easy passes. Those will come over time with maturity and experience. He's got a lot to learn, how would he do that on the bench. There is a reason we picked him #3 in the draft. He started off rocky at the school up north, but ended up being great. I don't see why the same thing cant happen in Cleveland. We as fans need to support the players that will have the greatest impact on the organizations future. What more can we expect from Braylon's play on the field this year after coming off a knee injury of that magnitude. It seems to me everyone expected him to have 1400 yrds and 14 TD's. To me, he defied expectations by starting the season. Everyone said he wasnt coming back to week 6 and he proved 80% of the Browns population wrong.

Give him some time to mature and get some more experience with a much improved (hopefully) Browns team next year. Some players take more time to really shine. Not everyone is Colston or Boldin. In a few years, Bray may be one of the best WR's in the league and everyone will forget about this past season and say they have always loved Braylon and couldnt be happier about him being on the team.

So please everyone, stop saying he needs benched, traded, demoted, and so on. It isn't going to happen!

by the way about the WR situation in 07....

1st: Edwards
2nd: JJ
Slot: Cribbs
4th: Wilson
5th and JJ's student: David Ball from New Hampshire.

I really like Ball. Watched him play a few times and then looked at some highlight reals on the internet. Cribbs and Wilson could flip flop at 3 and 4. Hopefully Wilson explodes and we have ourselves another receiver for the future. Then have Ball to take JJ's place when he retires.

Ok, help me out here mercer,,, are you agreeing that BE isn't as bad as Lamp makes him out to be or not...I'm a bit confused.

BE isn't as bad as Lamp makes him out to be.

DnD: K2 is our best weapon.

Lamp: If Leon is still on the team, he will be starting. We simply have too much invested in him not to play him. He does have excellent talent and does make plays. They won't bench him.

On the other hand, it's hard to win when you have players like him on your roster. I don't think his production equals his disruptions, but in today's world, it doesn't really matter. You can bet your ass that there are people in the organization who are making the same lame ass excuses for him, just like so many of our posters are. People go ga-ga over talent and don't factor in character. While I don't think you need to be a choir boy, you do need to be a good teammate.

Now, if there is no one in the organization making excuses for him..........he could be given his walking papers. I doubt that will happen, but the Browns would probably be better off.

So are you of the opinion that there is no way in hell BE turns it around and becomes the player many of us think he can be?

Nah, daman, I don't hate the guy. I actually want him to succeed because it would be beneficial for the Browns.

But his dropsies killed us this year... that would be almost acceptable yet his mouth kept running, and he never said a word about his own problems, just everyone else's. I'm tired of 1st round picks that bust on us, or act like children.
Sure KW2 has been mouthy, but at least he produces and gives us some swagger.
Only KW2 and Wimbley have shown us a whole lot. And it took Winslow two years to do anything... ahhh I'm just venting today.

While annoying and unacceptable for a 3rd overall pick, they didn't kill us.

I can't think of one of his drops that made a difference in the outcome of a game.

I'll try and answer that if you tell me what kind of a player you think Leon can be.

My personal opinion is that he can be a top 5 wide receiver in the league based on his combination of size, athleticism, speed, and leaping ability.

If he had the work ethic and passion of a KWII, for example, I think this is possible and indicative of a 3rd overall pick AND why many teams had him rated as the BPA of the draft.

I'm not buying that many teams had him as the BPA.

Top 5? I don't see it happening.

You are right in that he has size, strength, and leaping ability. He does not have great speed however. But, he's probably fast enough. I will say that he has the physical talent to be a top receiver, I don't know about top 5, but he could be very, very good.

My problem w/him is:

---he drops a lot of passes. Always has.
---he doesn't run good routes. Never has.
---doesn't show a lot of guts going across the middle. Nothing new.
---doesn't always fight for the ball like a top WR does. Nothing new.
---is not a good teammate.
---after two years, he still doesn't know the plays.
---has been late numerous times to meeting and practices. How the hell can you be two hrs. late for practice? How long does practice even last? Jesus!
---is unbelievably arrogant and refuses constructive criticism.
---is more concerned w/marketing himself than w/becoming a better player.

I could go on, but you get the point. I am not saying that he can't change his mentality. I just find it unlikely. I would say it's 70 to 30 against him "getting it." And as long as he doesn't get it...........no way in the world will he be a top 5 receiver.

I do think he can, and probably will, put up some decent numbers and have more than his share of supporters. But, I don't think you win w/guys like him. And for me, that's the bottom line.

Try the season opener. Now, maybe we wouldn't have driven for the game-winning score, but his bumble turned directly into an INT and it cost us any chance to win.

Drops early in games kill mometum, shake confidence and force us to give the ball to the other team

j/c

I think BE needs an offseason working his arse off standing in front of the ball machine... He needs to take some anger management classes and he also needs to see a therapist. But, he is the most talented and has the best numbers of any WR so he has to be our #1 guy. and not to mention he was a #1 pick 2 years ago and the team has invested millions into him.

I'd like to see
#1 BE
#2 TW or JJ (depending on how well TW does in the offseason)
#4 Cribbs occasionally lined up in the slot.
#5 some undrafted rookie

Your problems with him are the same as everybody else's, including his supporters. No need to rehash them. We all know what they are.

The way I see it is this:

--He gets a little bit of extra slack because he is so talented and because we are so heavily invested in him. And I really hate the fact that I basically just wrote he should receive preferential treatment because of his talent, but we are so talent deprived, that I think the situation dictates we do so.

--It's only his second year. It's too early to say he definitely WON'T get it. In other words, we have to give the young man a chance to do the right thing. I think the timetable on that chance expires by the end of next year.

--He has been the 'man' all his life. He needs something or someone to bring him back down to earth. Nobody has done this yet. We need to see what the reaction will be when somebody does. AND THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOON. Then we will know what we have with him.

If this guy gets his head on straight, I think he can become a top 5 receiver. And if not, top 10 seems more than reasonable with his talent.

That's why I was wondering what you thought the odds are of him 'getting it'. Others are just going to say silly things like demote him or trade him, but the real question we need to ask is 'WILL HE START TO GET IT?'

He is young enough that he isn't yet the man and player he will become.

Just my two cents...

While I agree with everything you said here - particularly about the effect drops have (they are as bad as sacks and penalties in my opinion) - I was coming more from the thought that I don't think if he didn't drop a single pass all season that we'd have any more wins.

Just my two cents...

[color:"red"]"I'm not buying that many teams had him as the BPA."

[color:"orange"]Just one thing on this subject matter. It was a very weak class especially on top...and especially in the trenches.

I don't think in the history of the NFL draft that 3 RBs went in the top 5...and these RBs were ok n good but they were not special, special ever before in the NFL.

Many teams had BE as the BPA its a sad fact to our timing of picking #3. This is the first time since I've been going throught the draft with a fine toothed comb (since 01) and we were picking #3 three times...this year is the first with actual talent for us! Hind sight tells us LTomlinson was the guy but few knew in 01.

05 was weak as it gets on top.

JMHO

I agree eotab. According to the pundits, there were no slam dunkers at the top of the draft, IIRC. I've never blamed Savage for selecting Braylon and not taking an OL at #3 in 2005, but there were other OL in later rounds to be had.

are you kidding us? you want our first round pick to be our 4th WR? lol lets make K2 into a WR then since he can't block worth [censored]....lol wait that might not be a horrid idea after all heh..

Anyways....BE may drop some balls..but he catches more than WRs we have had in the past...he had a okay season....if he stays a bit more consistant he can do well....lets not forget it was his "rookie" year...he never completed the season last year....this was his first full season....he will be okay....

#1 JJ...#2 BE #3 wilson thts wht i wanna see....

Yeah Lamp,,, I know the team comes first to you as it does to me and tons of us diehard Browns fans..... personal opinions of certain players aside,,, if they basically stay out of jail, off drugs, and play hard,,, then there really isn't much else to worry about really.,,

You know, I didn't keep 100%, totally accurate count,, but maybe someone with a better memory can tell me how many of BE's drops actually cost us a game.. I'm not pointing to any agenda,,, I honestly don't know the answer.

Some questions have come up,,, for instance, can BE turn it around a begin catching some of the key passes he's dropped this past year?

My answer is sure. He's young and basically talented enough to get it going and become a go to guy that gets the job done,,,, Certainly...

Can BE begin talking with his play rather than his mouth... ya know,, Chad Johnson has a huge big mouth,,,, HUGE.. But he's funny and he puts it all out there every game...... so if BE suddenly became funny,,, and played like Chad Johnson, I'd actually be ok with that.

So can he,,,, Yes, he can.. Will he? there is the real question.

i'm not a big braylon fan, but he put up far better numbers than any of our other wide outs. he is also coming off of an ACL tear, late in last season. i agree he needs to catch the darn ball but you are overreacting. he wasn't that far off from having 1000 yards and that is considered a fairly good season.

No offence, but BIG DEAL.
Antonio Bryant topped 1,000 in 2005 and no one cared when he went to SF.
"Almost" doesn't mean jack when you can't catch gonnorhea in a Mexican whorehouse. Worse, Bray thinks he's a star. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Edwards has 2007 to either walk the walk, or get the hell out.

Yards don't mean crap... Stats are for losers, plus the ACL injury I won't buy since if he wasn't healthy he shouldn't be playing at all...

Right now I agree with Lamp he's fourth on my depth chart right now, but with some work and maturity maybe he'll be worth 1 or 2 on a depth chart, but where he was picked and his overall performance has made the organization looking like fools...

Fact is I doubt the bum will be around when we are playing at a playoff level, and if he is it won't be him that got us there... Enjoy the lovefest now... I don't see a future as him being a Cleveland Brown...