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I understand what you are saying Purp and I agree with it. However...my take on the way Savage makes public statements about who is the starter, goes way beyond stating who was/is the incumbent.
In addition, he is the GM and not the HC. The depth chart wil be determined in camp and the best players will be at the top. I do not doubt that and have faith that these guys will get that right.
I just get this take from what Savage says - at times - that he is overstepping the line regarding talk of "starters". Why does he seem compelled to do that? I actually think it fuels the controversy rather than calms it down.
Maybe it's just me...but it really is evident in my mind.
I agree with this. I'd like for Savage to just say, hey I did my job and we've got 2 great QBs and now it's up to Romeo and the staff to figure out which one will be the Browns' starter in September.
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---DA is being looked at as the starter not because of money but because he has been better than BQ where it counts. In practices. Throwing the ball. Knowing the offense. Etc. Those of you making claims about money and Savage handing DA the job sound like little freaking kids. Sheesh. It's about performance.
If this is ture why not have an open competition? If DA really blows Quinn away in practices and pre-season then all the "BQ lovers" go away.
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---We didn't miss the playoffs because of DA's play...........we missed it because of a crappy defense. And the same might be true again next year.
Vers - You acuse the Quinn camp of spewing out lies, well your no better at all. You twist facts and blow up DA into something he's not.
Now your trying to tell me that we missed the postseason because of our defense? Wrong...you take away the turnovers against Arz and Cinci we are in ,even with our lousy defense, you know it too. 
Really the bottom line is this: We won 10 games last year against bad competition and now the expectations are very high. Even if Phil and RAC would feel BQ is playing better, neither is gonna give the nod to Quinn until DA plays himself out of it in the REGULAR season.
Right now DA should start, that may change after camp pre-season.
Simply put niether RAC or Phil have the nads to start Quinn over DA if BQ plays better in camp/pre-season.
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Yes DA had some bad games. But if we don't have DA we would have never been in a position to be competing for that playoff spot. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it. 29 touchdown passes to 19 interceptions. DA had just as much to do with us going 10-6 last year as anyone, maybe the most. If our defense had been average last year, we would have without a doubt been in the playoffs last year. DA was a main reason we were even in the hunt.
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Now your trying to tell me that we missed the postseason because of our defense? Wrong...you take away the turnovers against Arz and Cinci we are in ,even with our lousy defense, you know it too.
It's silly to blame us not making the playoffs on a game or two. The entire body of work has to be considered, and for the most part, our defense was lousy most of the season.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Part of this is what we saw, the Pro Bowl DA, the one who had it in place and strung losses when it was brass tacks time. The QB who also had trouble with reads progression and short outs. He had impressive numbers and found ways to win a few times. He also will have to grow. Period. And after people got film on him, he had a dropoff. I am not against him, and feel he has a lot of talent, and plays gutty. But I do feel that I lack confidence in the same in-house process that cultivated a QB controversy, and brought us the "mystery starter debacle, and then showed the pick for Couch was a horribly wrong choice. MY reservations are with the sideline processes that are picking the Man and seeing them fail to develop. It must be better this year for success. And last year was not enough, certainly not all and only DA. But I want BQ to get some Real shots too. But I will back whoever is out there, reservations aside. 
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It's silly to blame us not making the playoffs on a game or two. The entire body of work has to be considered, and for the most part, our defense was lousy most of the season.
Your 100% right in saying our defense wasn't up to par and partly to blame for missing the postseason.
BUT....take away the turnovers against Arizone WE WIN, we are then in. Take away the picks against Cinci...a game our DEFENSE played good, we win. And we are in the playoffs.
Everyone wants to give DA the credit for playing well the first half and helping us win. BUT they don't want to give him credit for the team failing late in they year.
The simple fact is DA is the reason we didn't win late in the year, he was certianly a part of the teams early season sucess, along with a great ol, jamal lewis, heathly kellen winslow, healthy braylon edwards,and a compitent offensive cordinator.
Not to mention we were playing stiffs that had never seen DA play....
All i'm askin of the Browns is have a full open competition, there is no LOGICAL reasons why that would be bad. The best QB will show himself, and since so many feel DA is the guy....he'll have zero problems beating out "golden boy" in front of the Browns, their fans, and media, all camp and pre-season.
Whats best for the Browns chances of winning the most games is to be sure who the best QB is and that is by having an open job at QB....but I know "the media might write about it"...like they aren't already. 
However as I stated before, the Browns are gona go with what "kinda" worked last year and force DA to play himself out of the job. There is no way in camp/pre-season Quinn can play himself into the job. Phil has made it completely clear who the guy is.
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BFZ, your points are well taken. DA did have a very good year, with excellent numbers, but I do think they may have been somewhat skewed due to the level of competition. However, I don't think the team is setting him up to fail so he can lose the job to BQ. In fact, I think they've done everything possible this off season to help him succeed, first by adding a couple receivers and another big, pass catching TE, second by actively improving the D so he gets more time on the field. I agree, the competition will be much stiffer this year than last, but so will the Browns. Having said that, the entire division has to face most of the same tough competitors and a record less that 10-6 could easily win the division. Going into the season with DA as the named starter makes perfect sense. He has the experience, the chemistry, and knowledge of the system built in for one thing. For another, it's going to be a tough season. Very tough, IMO and I will be extremely surprised if the starter makes it through all sixteen games unscathed. Given our circumstances taken as a whole, going into the season with DA starting and BQ ready to step in when/if needed is a great position to be in, and completely logical in my mind. There is no controversy here nor is there a need to create one in camp by fostering the perception that there's a competition going on. JMHO
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... take away the turnovers against Arizone WE WIN
If the defense could have taken Zona's offensive off the field we may have won that as well.
All we had to do was to have won any of the games we lost and we'd have been in. Any of them. That was 6 games and we needed one of them.
There is no all or nothing regarding what lost a game. Regardless of how well or poor one side of the ball played it takes a complete effort from both sides of the ball to win games. Once in a while one can bail out the other, but in a loss the blame goes all the way around.
Blaming one player on why we didn't win more games or why we didn't get to the playoffs is juvenile and lacks any true understanding of the game. It's a team game. I don't care how poorly anyone witnessed DA playing in the second half of the season, except for a handful of games, scattered throughout the season, the defense played very poorly. They claim just as much blame for the losses as the offense and certainly more than you can lay on any one player.
Posts like yours just smacks of agenda but you close it by trying to cover that agenda up with the 'let-the-best-man-win-the-competition' type statement. Sorry, it doesn't fly and it certainly doesn't make you look any less agenda driven though it's obvious that is your hope and intent.
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The simple fact is DA is the reason we didn't win late in the year...
The simple fact is that statement alone reveals your agenda. When an agenda fuels your opinions then your opinions are flawed as are yours and it can't be covered up with a stock 'all-I-want-is-what's-best-for-team' comment.
You've been spewing junk in blindingly bright white text since you got on here. I assume you think it makes your posts look more important being of such high contrast and maximum visibility on screen.
Another simple fact is that you could you go on to make your posts bold caps and they still wouldn't carry any more importance nor make any more sense than they do now, which is little to none.
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Another simple fact is that you could you go on to make your posts bold caps and they still wouldn't make any more sense than they do now, which is little to none.
Ouch! However,it is true. 
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By your logic, could we also blame Special Teams for not blocking during the field goal in the Raiders game?
So I can blame Nat Dorsey for not making the playoffs.
There's a reason it's a team sport.
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Everyone wants to give DA the credit for playing well the first half and helping us win. BUT they don't want to give him credit for the team failing late in they year.
The Browns were 5 and 3 in the first half of the season.
The Browns were 5 and 3 in the second half of the season.
You just make crap up and expect people to believe it.
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The simple fact is DA is the reason we didn't win late in the year, he was certianly a part of the teams early season sucess, along with a great ol, jamal lewis, heathly kellen winslow, healthy braylon edwards,and a compitent offensive cordinator.
LOL...........so, according to you. DA's performance was aided greatly by other players and coaches in the wins, but DA was solely responsible for the losses?
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All i'm askin of the Browns is have a full open competition, there is no LOGICAL reasons why that would be bad. The best QB will show himself, and since so many feel DA is the guy....he'll have zero problems beating out "golden boy" in front of the Browns, their fans, and media, all camp and pre-season.
Here is where some of you are either completely clueless or you are purposely acting dumb so you won't have to admit anything good about DA and nothing bad about BQ.
DA has been named the starter because he has been kicking BQ's ass all along. It has been a competition and it will continue to be a competition. It is just that it hasn't been close.
Do any of you geniuses really believe that the Brown's organization would favor DA over BQ after they made such a daring and risky trade for BQ last year? 
Use your freaking brain. If the competition was/is close, BQ will be the guy. Thus far, it hasn't been close. Now, that could change in a hurry and if DA regresses and BQ suddenly starts throwing the ball well and looking like he gets it..........he'll move ahead in a heartbeat.
Believe me.......if DA wasn't way ahead of BQ, he would have moved to a new team this year and we would have received compensation for him. That would have went a long way in helping shore up our defense, which is terrible.
Hell soup, you love spewing stats. Our offense was ranked 8th and our defense was ranked 30th. We almost set a team record for points and our defense allowed a ton of points, but you say that DA is the reason we didn't make the playoffs. 
DA is here because he was better than BQ all of last year. It was a competition and it will continue to be a competition. If it ever gets close, your golden boy will most assuredly get the nod. Right now..........it ain't that close.
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I think Brady is going to have to be the clear winner .....in the coaches minds, not the fans....to be the starter out of camp.
I don't think close gets it done.
Close will get it done if we lose 2-3 of the first 4 games.
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Yes Vers, DA did a lot of things. He has shown his "below average accuracy" ( especialy on the short stuff ). His ability to lose on the road, lose in the clutch and choke in the clutch. He has shown how irratic he is. One game he looks decent, the next he throws four ints.
He's shown just enough to scare the hell out of me and make me realise he does not have the tools to be our "future franchise QB'.
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Yes DA had some bad games. But if we don't have DA we would have never been in a position to be competing for that playoff spot. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.
I think anyone who "guesses how things MIGHT have panned out if Quinn had started last year" are "full of it".
You have NO WAY of knowing if your assertions are true or not and neither do I.
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I think Brady is going to have to be the clear winner .....in the coaches minds, not the fans....to be the starter out of camp.
I don't think close gets it done.
Close will get it done if we lose 2-3 of the first 4 games.
You're exactly right. I don't think Brady has much of a chance unless he completely blows away DA, and DA bombs out. What preturbs me is if Brady does play better, why wouldn't you want the better guy playing?
I'm all about winning. I'm sick and tired of losing. I don't give a damn who it is. DA, Quinn, Cribbs...... just win.
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Once in a while one can bail out the other, but in a loss the blame goes all the way around.
So if your QB throws four int's in THE deciding game as to wheather we make the playoffs or not, we should "spread the blame around"????
You see, to ME, that seperates "franchise QB's" from "non franchise QB's". A franchise QB should have those competative juices that RAISE his playing ability in "crunch time". Not every time we get to "crunch time/make or break situations" that he crumbles like a Keebler cookie.
Sorry, but that's just the way I see it. In crunch time, DA crumbled. And only reenforced that when he "crumbled" in the pro bowl. In big games and national coverage, he seemed innadequete at best.
It makes one wonder how a "crumbler" would fair in playoff and SB scenarios IMO
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Here is where some of you are either completely clueless or you are purposely acting dumb so you won't have to admit anything good about DA and nothing bad about BQ.
DA has been named the starter because he has been kicking BQ's ass all along. It has been a competition and it will continue to be a competition. It is just that it hasn't been close.
That's odd. Because I have sources telling me JUST THE OPPOSITE!
That Quinn has met and far exceeded the Browns expectations. That their WILL BE an open competition and that they fully expect BQ to win it!
You stick with your sources and I'll stick with mine. It won't be that long until we find out which one of us has the most accurate source now will it?
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What preturbs me is if Brady does play better, why wouldn't you want the better guy playing?
If he does, he will.
But as it has always been, incumbents always get the nod if things are close. Challengers have always had to win out by a clear, decisive margin.
That concept shouldn't take anyone who has watched sports to any serious degree by surprise.
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Yes, and I agree that it's going to happen that way.
But a lot of posters act like it should be DA no matter, which I don't understand. So as I said, why?
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But a lot of posters act like it should be DA no matter, which I don't understand.
Care to name all those posters?
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But a lot of posters act like it should be DA no matter, which I don't understand.
Care to name all those posters?
Sure Vers, I have a photographic memory.
I've read people say, DA wasn't given this contract to ride the bench, it's his job this year, yadda yadda yadda. Unfortunately my time is precious, and I'm not sifting through all these threads just to make you happy.
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That's what I thought. LOL
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That's what I thought. LOL
You want me to go back and find them? I don't think so, I don't care enough about it to waste my time do it. Some guys on here will just to prove a point, which is fine if it makes them feel better.
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I think Brady is going to have to be the clear winner .....in the coaches minds, not the fans....to be the starter out of camp.
I don't think close gets it done.
Close will get it done if we lose 2-3 of the first 4 games.
Pay particular attention to this...
1) How much time Quinn gets with the #1's during preseason...Especially games 3 and 4...
It will determine alot...
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No, I don't want you to waste your time. It's pointless. Your original quote was that there were a lot of posters on here who say DA should be the starter no matter what. I haven't seen that at all. So yes, it would be pointless to look for things that do not exist.
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Ok Vers, you're right, I'm wrong. Isn't that how it always works? 
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Not always. 
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Geez, you couldn't even agree with me on that? 
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So if your QB throws four int's in THE deciding game as to wheather we make the playoffs or not, we should "spread the blame around"????
You see, to ME, that seperates "franchise QB's" from "non franchise QB's". A franchise QB should have those competative juices that RAISE his playing ability in "crunch time". Not every time we get to "crunch time/make or break situations" that he crumbles like a Keebler cookie.
"THE deciding game" could have been any win in place of any of the six losses. Now, I already know that "THE deciding game" refers to the last chance. That does make it somewhat of a superbowl game. That's where your "crunch-time" reference comes from. But there were six other chances throughout the season that would have gotten the job done thus not requiring "THE deciding game".
Also, DA played pretty well in a lot of games when it turned into crunch-time. He didn't crumble like a Keebler cookie "every time" we got to "crunch-time/make or break situations". That was one game that gets blown out of proportion badly.
Personally, I would put more emphisis on the game plan for that windy game that Chud stubbornly stuck with for what I thought, in hindsight, was too long. We had a beast of a running back who put up 216 yards on that same team earlier in the season, before our OL even had a chance to gel, but instead, Chud's got our quarterback throwing all over the place on a very windy day. But Chud gets a flyer on that because he's a first-time OC and has shown some real offensive success in earlier games.
Well, DA was a first-time QB and also had shown some offensive success in earlier games. So how does he become the goat? He becomes the goat simply because he's the quarterback. Well, that, and so many fans want to see BQ playing. And that right there made it "THE deciding game" as if the other five losses didn't count.
I remember the offense bailing out the defense in the first cincy game. And in some other games as well. The only thing the defense did in the second meeting was not allow a lot of points on a very windy day against a premier passing offense.
You can take those 4 interceptions DA threw and put them up against defensive players who would admit that had not the defense made these mistakes or those mistakes the end result would have been different. It's a team. It's more than the one guy the television camera focuses on every game.
Pit, you know better than to blame a loss on one player. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish in this line of reasoning.
I'm not defending DA by my comments. My purpose in my comments to BrownsFanZ was to expose the kind of thinking that blames one player, any one player, for the loss of a game and then extending that line of reasoning to blame one player, any one player, for the disappointing result of an entire season.
Someone correctly mentioned in a post above that in the 'one guy lost the game' line of reasoning, Nat Dorsey lost the Oakland game. But that was one play out of an entire game. Dorsey was only in on a handful of special teams plays. How does he become responsible for a loss? If the rest of the team played so damn well in that game how did it come down to one play? Oakland sure wasn't setting records with their performance.
How about all the other plays in that game that fell south? Had the offense and defense gotten the job done it would never have come down to that one kick and that one block.
It's a team game for cryin out loud. You can blame your pitcher, and maybe the catcher too, for giving up 4 home runs. They're the only guys from your team in on those plays. You can give all the credit to your hitter for a walk-off home run win in a tie game. He's the only guy from your team in on that play.
But those kinds of plays don't happen in football.
You can't blame any one football player for the win or the loss of a football game. There are too many plays involved and each play requires that all 11 players do their job for a successful play. Someone can miss a block away from the play on a successful run and it won't matter so much. But there were still a gang of offensive players who did their job right or that play wouldn't have been successful.
If someone is going to give DA the goat horns for all six of the losses, especially THE deciding game, then he must also get the golden crown for all ten of the wins. When I went to school ten was batter than six unless it refered to the number of whacks I got for screwing up.
I want to see Brady Quinn play too. Who ain't curious about that? We gave up a lot for him. He should be good. But in the end it doesn't matter who plays. As I said, I'm not defending DA in my comments. Rather, I'm speaking out against the stupid reasoning some folks use to defend their desire to play one QB over another.
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Here is where some of you are either completely clueless or you are purposely acting dumb so you won't have to admit anything good about DA and nothing bad about BQ.
DA has been named the starter because he has been kicking BQ's ass all along. It has been a competition and it will continue to be a competition. It is just that it hasn't been close.
That's odd. Because I have sources telling me JUST THE OPPOSITE!
That Quinn has met and far exceeded the Browns expectations. That their WILL BE an open competition and that they fully expect BQ to win it!
You stick with your sources and I'll stick with mine. It won't be that long until we find out which one of us has the most accurate source now will it?
You two with your sources tick me off. You often times take a stand based on sources yet you don't reveal your stance is based on inside information. In the process, you try to make the people you are arguing against look stupid when halfway through the argument you reveal that you have inside information ... it's kind of like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Just say it at the beginning if you have a source that is supporting your claim instead of arguing your point and making it seem like you came up with that opinion on your own.
But I guess this is kind of ironic then that you have different sources telling you different things. Classic. LOL...
Pit, all I'll say is that your sources' information doesn't seem to jive with the actions of the FO. Why make such a big deal about keeping DA and naming him the starter if what you've been told is true? I just can't get there.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Seems like there are a lot of people that do not want any inside information. I've cut down on it because of that reason. I guess it's best just to stop altogether.
How about common sense? May we use that? Why would Savage sign DA and give up the opportunity to obtain valuable draft picks if BQ was outperforming DA in practices and behind the scenes? It doesn't make sense. Additionally, why are both Savage and RAC saying DA is the starter if BQ has been the better QB? Does anyone really believe that they don't want a return on BQ---the guy they gave up a first round pick and a high second round pick for? Again, it doesn't add up.
Oh............I know that you are pretty much saying the same thing.......so, don't take that as directed solely towards you. It's for everyone. Common sense and logic tells you that the Browns want to see more of both QBs and that DA has looked better in their eyes. Otherwise...........he would be gone and the team would have been turned over to Brady.
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I don't have inside info on this subject but I do know that Mel Kiper said last week that the Browns are even happier with Quinn now than before they drafted him.
That has to be worth something, as much as I think Kiper's a clown, the guy does have his sources in certain organizations and I have to imagine the Browns are one of those teams because if you listen to him he always sounds like he's in love with Savage.
On the flipside, as far as DA and the Bengals game is concerned...I put that more on Chud than anything else. That was a -poor gameplan. Lewis was abusing the Bengals' front seven yet we kept throwing on a windy day.
DA certainly didn't help his cause, but if we run the ball 30 times that game, we win. No question in my mind. Lewis could not be stopped, Chud stopped Lewis.
That's a thing people gloss over way too easily when criticizing DA...I certainly have my opinions but I have to be fair.
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The opening loss to the Steelers was the deciding game. I thought everybody knew that.
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And there you have it right there folks.
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How about common sense? May we use that? Why would Savage sign DA and give up the opportunity to obtain valuable draft picks if BQ was outperforming DA in practices and behind the scenes? It doesn't make sense.
It does if he's concerned that losing his starting QB (Quinn, if that were to happen) to injury would tank a season of high hopes and high expectations. That's just one of the many reasons Phil gave for working to keep both.
We pretty much paid DA what it would cost for a QB who put up the kind of numbers and wins that he did. We certainly didn't overpay for him even though Phil did bid against himself to keep DA. (And that too is telling in how much he wanted DA on the roster.)
Great move keeping both. That can't be wrong. It buys time and no matter who starts there is a quality backup in case of injury.
It's like having your cake and eating it too.
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I don't think it's fair to call him a crumbler. Go back and look at the 2nd Baltimore game in overtime.
Look at the pass he makes to Edwards while his leg is being grabbed by a defender. That's just one instance I can think of off the top of my head.
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Yes DA had some bad games. But if we don't have DA we would have never been in a position to be competing for that playoff spot. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.
I think anyone who "guesses how things MIGHT have panned out if Quinn had started last year" are "full of it".
You have NO WAY of knowing if your assertions are true or not and neither do I.
Funny, I don't remember saying that Quinn couldn't or could have have done as well.
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I don't think it's fair to call him a crumbler. Go back and look at the 2nd Baltimore game in overtime.
Oakland game he drove us from our own 9 to the Raiders 22. We had the game winning field goal blocked. He did this even though he played like crap the whole game.
In the Seatle game he led the Browns to a go ahead TD in the 4th. Drive started with just under 8 minutes at our own 11 and ended with 2:21 to go with a TD and two point conversion.
After Seatle tied it he drove us from our own 44 to the Seatle 7 where Dawson hit the game winner.
Pittsburgh game we took over at our 33 with a 1:04 to go. Drove us to the Pittsburgh 35 where we missed a 52 yard field goal.
Baltimore game he took over at our 43 with 26 seconds left. Drove to Baltimore 33 where Dawson kicked a field goal to tie the game.
In OT drove from our 41 to Baltimore 16. Dawson wins the game.
Arizona game we took over at our 18 with 1:48 to go down by six. Drives us to Arizona 37. Throws a strike to Winslow who comes down out of the end zone.
Cincy game we take over with 1:48 at are own 17. After Braylon is charged for pass interference on a completetion for 41 to Cincy 42 we are backed up to our 9. Leads drive to Cincy 27 where he throws last second prayer that drops incomplete.
The fact that we were behind in many of these games is in part because DA was not playing well. However, he did not crumble. The fact is he does not get rattled (everyone in the organization that has commented on this agrees) and doesn't choke. I think anyone saying otherwise is either ignoring the facts or plain blind.
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Also, DA played pretty well in a lot of games when it turned into crunch-time And in some cases he made a bad decision which ended in a pick or a incompletition..not good... U see the thing for me is for a QB to make good decisions and not force things no matter how strong his arm is.. If U don't have the ability to control that arm , it hinders you. Now I don't really dislike DA..I have pointed out his flaws..he started out strong..but didn't really improve as the season and teams got a good look at him.. It would have been telling had he improved even in small things like being more accurate in the short passing game.. Now I understand where the blame goes in those losses especially the Cincy game.. Point is the D played heavily in those losses BUT the team was still in a position to win.. The other point is HOW they got in those tight spots in the first place.. For this year the bar is raised.. If ANYONE thinks for a minute they are going to settle for the bottom part of the curve of Derek's play then boy are you wrong. They want either Derek or Quinn to play at a higher level than that. Derek was brought back to play at a higher level not as a backup. Phil is giving him the opportunity to show this year he can be a QUALITY STARTER..not a head scratcher or one that makes you grimmace and want to hurl the headphones or incinerate the playbook  Phil believes he may have two capable QBs. To him, this is just a matter of ensuring 2008 is protected as much as he can protect it. But we know he has some uncertainty about DA because otherwise he would have just signed the kid to a 5-7 year contract and moved ahead with him as the franchise QB. So we're going to see..if DA PLAYS LIKE he did the first stretch of last year against stronger comp..thats going to really cement his future with this team.. If he struggles badly(not talking about one or two bad games) I think we know whats in store.
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By your logic, could we also blame Special Teams for not blocking during the field goal in the Raiders game?
So I can blame Nat Dorsey for not making the playoffs.
There's a reason it's a team sport.
Yes, there is a reason it's a team sport. Funny thing is that everybody who is defending DA and blasting the people who say Quinn might be better are the some ones who, at one point or another, have called for other WRs to get more PT or they have called for the corner that is on the bench or they have called for a safety or a DL or a lot of other positions to be replaced by the back-up... but for some reason, QB is different. I will tell you right now that if I think the better player is on the bench, I will hope he sees some playing time. I have other reasons for wanting BQ on the field because QB isn't a position where you can just put somebody in from time to time like you can at safety or WR to see what they have... and, like I have posted before, I have a fear that DA is going to do just enough to keep his job but not enough to convince me that he is the guy and we are going to be sitting here in the same place next year only with major salary and hold out implications on the line......
DA didn't win or lose any games by himself but the numbers are night and day if you compare his stats in our wins verses his stats in our losses.
As far as the Raiders game.. you make an interesting point about Nat Dorsey because that game is a microcosm of our entire season.. DA plays awful in the first half with a couple picks and no points until we are down 16-0.. then Cribbs has a return for a TD, then the defense forces a fumble which allows us to get a late first half FG... then in the second half DA starts playing well and some people on this board just wanted to give him credit for his comeback effort. I have no problem giving credit for a comeback effort, but when you are coming back from your own mistakes, then I have to point that out... in that one game every unit played well for part of the game, every unit sucked for part of the game, Cribbs did his part to try to bail us out and in the end it was a close loss... not unlike our whole season...
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