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Might as well get this started. The other thread was getting a tad lengthy. Cavs win this series in 6.
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My heart says Cavs in 6 but my brain says Celts in 5.
I don't think the 7th game against Atlanta took any energy out of Boston. So we're essentially playing against a rested opponent.
...and the league should force a team going 7 games to play back-to-back when starting the next series. I don't see why they should have an extra days rest. If they had won game 6, we'd have already played today.
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God I'd love to stick it to Boston in this series.
I'm so sick of Boston fans thinking it's their birthright to win everything.
When they didn't get the #1 pick last year they complained and complained and the media helped them until the big trades were made.
Now it's like the Celtics HAVE to be in the finals this year, if not there's something wrong with the world or something. God I'd love to send them home.
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I'm sorry but I must be the ONLY one who WASN'T impressed by the Celts. I wasn't impressed with them earlier in the year and after barely squeaking by the 8th seed in the PUTRID East, I'm still not. We match up VERY well with them when we defend them but they DON'T match up well with us when they have to defend. They also have NO answer for LBJ, but then again, not many teams do. Oh, and Kevin Garnett is a wuss. 
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If it took the Celtics 7 games to beat Atlanta, if they play the same way against us, we beat em.
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This year, I've noticed they are kind of like us...playing to their competition. That almost killed them last round so we shall see how things work out. This could be an interesting series.
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Is it just me? or do they play a diferent game when they are up huge than just by a few?
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Is it just me? or do they play a diferent game when they are up huge than just by a few?
Shotty, you make a point here that I would like to touch on. All 4 of the Celtics wins in the Atlanta series were blow outs. Thus, this group has never won a close game in the playoffs, and does not have the confidence in doing it.
I really think this team will struggle late in games if we can keep it close. Everyone who follows the NBA knows that Garnett wants nothing to do with the basketball late in a close game. Take him out of the equation and that leaves Pierce and Allen. LB will be on Pierce, and Allen is a jump shooter. See what I am getting at.....
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Yes I do! that is why I asked  I think we have a very good shot at them 
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This team makes me nervous... you never know which friggin team is going to show up... I think we can take them... but I also think we could get blown out...
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No way can I see the Celtics taking the Cavs in less than six games. It looks like we are finally starting to gel at the right time. I think this series is going seven games. I'm going with the Cavs in 7 
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i'm not sure we can win a game 7 in Boston... I am happy to see that we can win a road game to close out a series... but Boston at home in a elimination game would be unreal.
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Exactly.
Nobody thought we could win game 5 in Detroit last year either.
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I see two Boston wins in a row, followed by a bunch of people on here de-crying how much we suck as a team, and that we're a bunch of worthless bums and Ferry needs to be fired immediately along with Coach Brown. We'll then win the next 3 games in the series, and everyone will talk about how we're a team of destiny and we're unstopable, and we'll waltz into the finals. We'll then drop game 6 at home, because we always seem to sleep-walk during "take it for granted" games, and then lose game 7 because it's in Boston ... then we'll deal with a summer of "LeBron is leaving" threads on here. 
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Boston in 6!
The Boston Three Party is too much! I'm a big Boston fan, but, I wont be cocky about it. We've been bad as long as I've been a fan, i grew up loving Muggsy Bogues, then after he retired picked Boston cuz their floor.
so theyve been bad as long as I've been a fan. This year though. I'm not sure anyone in the league can come to Boston and win. The Hawks gave us trouble on the road cuz they run a lot, and they run well.
The Cavs dont do that very much or very well. And look for Posey to get more minutes in this series than he's gotten all year, and watch for him to lock up LBJ. When Posey is out, i see problems for boston matching up with LBJ, but theyll double him up real hard and make the rest of the team beat us, and like the Spurs did, i dont think they can.
Im excited for this series, cuz Delonte and Wally come back, thatll be fun. But dont worry the Hawks games were abberations, we got stung by a quick team that had our number. And only on the Road. and Boston has home court, so even if they dont win on the road, they still got it at home.
Celtics in 6. Even if KG may not want it with the game on the line (which i dont agree with) Paul does. He's been doing it as long as he's been in the league.
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I don't know that Boston has an answer for LeBron in the playoffs but will that be enough to get by the Celts? Andy and Ben should be able to slow down Garnett a bit and I think Peirce is gonna get sucked in to a one on one battle with LeBron (playing right in to Cleveland's hands) but my big concern is Allen, who we don't match up all that well with. Z should get his though in the post and If Boobie/West/Wally shoot pretty well we can surely win....but... If I had to make a prediction, I'd say Boston in 7. I think we'll take 1 of the first 2 but then drop 1 of 2 at home. Lose game 5, win game 6, lose game 7. A little extra rest in the off-season for LBJ wouldn't be such a bad thing. Not hoping we lose but I worry about LeBron getting run down too soon in his career....a little higher draft pick wouldn't hurt either. We could really use a young stud alongside LeBron. Okay, enough rational thought.....Cavs in 6, I want Detroit again. 
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I see two Boston wins in a row, followed by a bunch of people on here de-crying how much we suck as a team, and that we're a bunch of worthless bums and Ferry needs to be fired immediately along with Coach Brown. We'll then win the next 3 games in the series, and everyone will talk about how we're a team of destiny and we're unstopable, and we'll waltz into the finals. We'll then drop game 6 at home, because we always seem to sleep-walk during "take it for granted" games, and then lose game 7 because it's in Boston ... then we'll deal with a summer of "LeBron is leaving" threads on here.
Gonna have to say that this is pretty much it in a nutshell.
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I dunno so much about Z getting his. Kendrick Perkins is a pretty stout defender on the inside. He's good because he never gets abused, but you dont hear a lot about him because he doesnt stand out, he just does his job, which is keep the other big man in check, which he does.
Ill say what worries me most, again-ish from my earlier post, is that when Posey isnt covering Lebron we're going to have to double, and guys like Delonte, Boobie, and Wally will be able to shoot the lights out. and Delonte is always a threat to throw up 20+
but, again, dont let the Hawks fool you, they caught Boston off-guard with a style of play they dont handle well, plus the youthful exuberance, and all the pressure on Boston and the hype diverted.
With the Cavs itll be a slow, knock-down drag-out series, which i think favors Boston because they do well against teams that are better on D. Cleveland has too many times in a game where they cant score, and they arent much geared to come back from a deficit and Boston plays very very well with the lead.
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I dunno so much about Z getting his. Kendrick Perkins is a pretty stout defender on the inside. He's good because he never gets abused, but you dont hear a lot about him because he doesnt stand out, he just does his job, which is keep the other big man in check, which he does.
I don't think Kendrick Perkins will be a factor in anything, nor do I think Boston will win because of their stout play at the center position. Lets be serious. Kendick might be a nice brick on the block, but will he follow Z out to the top of the key? I think Z will get his...
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Ill say what worries me most, again-ish from my earlier post, is that when Posey isnt covering Lebron we're going to have to double, and guys like Delonte, Boobie, and Wally will be able to shoot the lights out. and Delonte is always a threat to throw up 20+
LeBron should worry you, because he can't be guarded. Not by T Prince, or Caron Butler, Bruce Bowen, and certiantly not James Posey. I wouldn't cound on Delonte scoring 20+ either, but you should be hoping Wally goes back to his terrible self, if he plays like he did in game 6 of the Wizards series we will see you next year, he makes that much of a difference on this team.
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but, again, dont let the Hawks fool you, they caught Boston off-guard with a style of play they dont handle well, plus the youthful exuberance, and all the pressure on Boston and the hype diverted.
I don't think anyone is excited to play Boston because of their lack of ability to beat the worst team in the playoffs in less than 7, but more so for the fact that they cant win close games, and they couldnt get it done on the road. That series was no fluke. Besides, nobody catches anyone off guard in a 7 game series, they simply had no answer for that team. Do you think they will for LeBron?
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With the Cavs itll be a slow, knock-down drag-out series, which i think favors Boston because they do well against teams that are better on D. Cleveland has too many times in a game where they cant score, and they arent much geared to come back from a deficit and Boston plays very very well with the lead.
I'm not sure what your gearing at here, whether it's Cleveland cant come back from a deficit in a series (was down 0-2 to Detroit last year to win 4-2) or they can't come back from a deficit late in a game (most 4th quarter comebacks in the league this year, and LeBron had the highest 4th quarter scoring average this season) But both of which are incorrect.
The slow down style also favors the Cavs, and its not simply because they are old like Boston. Other than possibly a hyped up game 1 and game 3 (which would cancel each other out) i dont see any blowouts in this series, and the biggest difference will be which team has a closer.
With 3 minutes to go, with the Cavs down 6 in either arena.. I like my chances with LeBron. Boston has no answer for LeBron in this series, none at all. LBJ flusters Pierce to the point that he actually spat at the Cavs bench and LeBron in a preseason game. Expect heavy foul trouble for Pierce, followed buy his usual loss of composure and his usual attampt to go one on one with LeBron, playing right into his hands.
Cavs win in 6.
And something I dont't think anyone has mentioned yet, but Mike Brown will out coach Doc Rivers.
Boston as a team, and Rivers as coach are not playoff tested. The Cavs and Mike Brown are, and time after time experiance wins in the playoffs. This will be the downfall of Boston, maybe next year they will be ready to contend.
I'm ready for Tuesday, but i do think Boston will win game 1, only to lose the next 3.
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Yeah I did get a quick laugh when he said "watch for Posey to lock up LB."
There are only 3-4 guys in this league that have the CAPABILITY to harass LB, and James Posey sure as hell ain't one of em.....
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I'm a big Boston fan, but, I wont be cocky about it. And look for Posey to get more minutes in this series than he's gotten all year, and watch for him to lock up LBJ.
Maybe Mike Bibby was right about Celtics fans.....matter of fact he is right! Nobody was hollering for them before KG arrived. 
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Well we werent hollering before because we were bad. How do you defend a team that wins 30 games. So thats that.
but I think you guys are underestimating James Posey. He's a very solid defender and thats why he was brought in. Pierce will be on LeBron, but not all game, anytime Posey is in you'll see him harassing LBJ, and thatll be fine for Boston, because he doesnt score all that much, and he's smart.
And ok, we may not have an answer for LeBron with one player. but I would absolutely take KG, Paul, and Ray Allen over LBJ. 3 heads is better than one.
Because as good as LBJ is...and he can lock up Paul Pierce...who takes KG and Ray Allen?
These teams split the season series, and split the two after the trading deadline. The first game between the two teams, boston won, but LBJ didnt play. So its been a wash this season.
But its just so hard to lock up 3 scorers.
And dont underestimate the players as a whole. Sam Cassell, PJ Brown, and James Posey all have rings. They know how to play in the playoffs. KG has been on the cusp, and Ray Allen, while never getting far in the playoffs, has always been a good playoff player. Not enough to get a team over the hump, but will absolutely keep you in a game. Which is all Boston needs.
And Kendrick going out to the perimeter to cover Z...Ok he prolly wont. but how much does Big Z reaaaaaaaally do out there thats game changing?
Plus KG covering BWall, will free him up to help out on LeBron. And the C's play the best D in the league. I just see Boston having too much firepower for LeBron.
I know he can and will get his, but if the series goes far, i just see him wearing down some. He took business from Washington, and he's gonna have to deal with it again, and he's gonna have to carry Cleveland more in this series than the last.
He's gonna have to be a hero like against Detroit last year to get em there, and if he does...more power to him. I just...dont see it
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Depends on what boston team shows up. If they want to they can blow us out and sweep.
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i disagree with a bunch of things you said...
the whole if lebron locks up pierce who locks up kg and allen?
it's not about that, after all, it worked 3 times for atlanta...
and as far as the celtics playing the best defense, i don't think they are the best defensive team in the league, stats-wise, sure they are, but i would take detroit and cleveland's d before i'd take theirs, that's playoff defense, both of those teams will drag it out, and slug it out with you...
james posey cannot guard lebron james...
and besides, if he's on the floor, then who won't be at that time, allen? pierce? rondo? that plays right into the cavs hands...
i think the cavs win this series in 6 games, i don't see that playoff toughness in boston, i just don't, detroit and cleveland are both better prepared for the playoffs...
you have to be able to win on the road, you have to be able to have success in close games, and boston has done neither...
everyone talks about yesterday's game being a "statement" by the celtics
you want a statement? how about dominating on the road like the cavs did on friday...
cavs in 6.
we have the better coach, better bench, and we have the best 4th quarter player on the planet.
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Nice objective post. As you say, LeBron is going to get his... the question is what it almost always is with the Cavs. If Gibson, Wally, West, or whoever can make shots CONSISTENTLY, so that the Celtics defense cannot completely collapse on LeBron, then the Cavs will be extremely competitive. If they can't make shots and the whole defense can collapse on LeBron, then it's going to be a long hard road.
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It's really a throw up until we see a game between the teams. But many, many fans are now think suddenly the Cavs are a different team an they aren't. We just played 6 games against a very average team, with their best player hurt and holding them back early, plus the teams focus wasn't basketball but rather fighting.
The Celts will do what everyone does, double Lebron, force Wally, West, Gibson to beat them.
What ends up happening is LeBron scores his 35, gets his, the rest of the team isn't good therefore youg et inconsistent play. Two big differnces between Atlanta and the Cavs is they 1. Have a PG. 2. Have 2 other options with Josh Smith and Joe Johnson. Obviously the Cavs were a better regualr season team but the Hawks have 3 decent players, Bibby had great games when they were in Atlanta, which helped make Joe Johnson so deadly.
If the Celts play their game and don't have awful shootin performances they win the series in 6 games. The Cavs aren't there yet, it boils down to the Celts have 3 good players and we have one great one.
Miracles can happen, the hope I have is the Celts are "hungover" rather "woke-up" like the Pistons.
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It's really a throw up until we see a game between the teams. But many, many fans are now think suddenly the Cavs are a different team an they aren't. We just played 6 games against a very average team, with their best player hurt and holding them back early, plus the teams focus wasn't basketball but rather fighting.
oh please.
this trade, which you were so sure was a horrible trade for the cavs, seems like it's working, and you once again find a way to take a negative look at it?
this trade is panning out, you were wrong, and you can't admit it...
you're the typical cleveland fan, the guy that sits there and spews negativity, so you can bang your chest if the team loses
you come a dime a dozen, man.
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Bron I'll give you the toughness aspect. I'm not sure Boston has it, but, I think this KG that is in Boston is a completely different player than youve seen in recent years.
He does want it at the end of the game. Just now, he knows it doesnt have to be in his hands, so its ok. Even if you watch him play, the offense runs through him. He is just the post version of LBJ. He doesnt play overly tough, but he can score and with the ball in his hands he can do dangerous things. and he moves very well without the ball. KG can do work that no one Cleveland has seen outside of Tim Duncan.
Ray Allen is pretty much a spot up shooter, but he's like a Reggie Miller. No matter what, you cant stay with him without the ball, as soon as you get lulled into something else in the play, boom, ray allen jumpshot from 10 ft away from where you just thought he was.
Paul is the typical drive and shoot guy, but its different now, because the offense doesnt run through him. He can do the things that he wants, and his ability to go one on one just adds another dimension to the Boston offense. Especially if time is running out on the shot clock or game clock.
When Posey is in, you'll most likely see a 2 player combo of Pierce, Rondo, and Ray Allen out, and youll see Posey and Cassell in if Paul is out.
One of the above posters mentioned that the Cavs have a better bench?
I cant think that Damon Jones, Daniel Gibson, Wally, Sasha, Joe Smith and Anderson Varejao can possibly...even a little bit, be better than
Cassell, Eddie House, James Posey, Leon Powe, Big Baby, PJ Brown, and Tony Allen.
and matching up starters doesnt work either. cuz KG, Paul, Ray, Rondo, and Kendrick, i think trump Bron, Z, Big Ben, Delvin Brown, and Delonte.
granted Bron is the best player, but 3 is better than 1. The overall talent on Boston right now is just more.
HOWEVER...I'll give it to Cleveland, its more battletested. but, just like KG, Delonte and Wally still have no good playoff experience, and Ben hasnt been the same since he left Detroit.
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i'll take our bench, devin brown, boobie gibson, anderson varejao, and joe smith over any of the bench guys boston rolls out...
i love our 9-man rotation... by the way, 3 out of the 4 guys on our bench rotation have finals experience...
powe and big baby? please...
cassell? maybe 4 or 5 years ago...
pj brown? tony allen? c'mon man...
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i'm all for taking shots at boston fans, but the q/gund was an empty place before lebron arrived...
i don't apply the same "bandwagon" label that i do with the red sox to the celtics, because let's face it, nba tickets are expensive...
i just don't like the people that don't care about the team, and then when the team comes around, they act like they've always been loyal to their team... and we browns fans know that best, we have all stuck with the browns through thick and most certainly thin...
i didn't watch every cavs game in the decade between the price/nance days to the lebron days... but i did keep tabs on them, i always checked to see if they won, and i almost always watched the games against the better teams... the bulls, lakers, rockets, etc...
i mean, bibby calls the boston fans out, but phillips arena wasn't exactly filled to capacity a month ago...
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Lebron has to elevate his game (If thats possible) in order for us to have a shot. 3 good players are better then 1 great player just ask San Antonio....
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Hey talk to me if a week or so James, i'll be happy to eat crow if the Cavs win the series. You can call me negative and I can call you a Cavs homer that doesn't see that the Cavs beat an average team in the first round.
It's not that they can't win the series, with Lebron anything can happen, and if they win its gonna be because Lebron has 4 awesome games. He's gonna have to put up 40+ every night, maybe more.
Talk to me in a week Lebron James, we can talk at length how the trade looks. One of us can eat some crow, the other can buy the beer.
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Two or three other players have to elevate their games in order for us to win this series. LBJ will play well every night, but he is going to need help.
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so does Boston though.
Posey was there with Miami, PJ Brown has been, Cassell too. Powe has been a very solid player off the bench this year as he's posted numerous double-doubles. Big Baby has had 2 or 3 himself. These guys are young and dont get a ton of minutes but are productive. I'll give ya Tony Allen...he's doodoo, but he also has been known to have a random 30 point game. PJ Brown, he's just a big boards guy, like a poor man's Kurt Thomas.
The thing about Boston's bench, is theyre all very very solid role players, and they specialize.
If you need D, Posey goes,
if youre getting out rebounded, PJ Brown does work,
if the opposing PG is making better decisions, Cassell is perfect
Powe plays like a poor man's Elton Brand...not stellar, but solid, will keep some pressure off KG because if not he'll put up a double double.
Big Baby plays the same style.
I see the Cavs bench.
Boobie is ur poor man's Ray Allen style player...if you give him an inch, its buckets
Varejao is defense and very good at it.
Devin Brown is a solid player pretty much all around
Joe Smith is old, but solid...like Finley for the Spurs.
I'm with you...You're bench isnt bad, I'd just take Boston's. Maybe thats me being a homer, but, just watching our bench dismantle teams at the end of the regular season, its hard to take any other teams bench, when our bench is beating other team's starters. And not slouch teams, teams like ATL, Philly, and New Orleans, and Denver
"It has to start somewhere
It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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We all have ESPN, we all know about Boston's big 3..
But please don't tell us that the C's have a better bench than ours..
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Hey talk to me if a week or so James, i'll be happy to eat crow if the Cavs win the series. You can call me negative and I can call you a Cavs homer that doesn't see that the Cavs beat an average team in the first round.
It's not that they can't win the series, with Lebron anything can happen, and if they win its gonna be because Lebron has 4 awesome games. He's gonna have to put up 40+ every night, maybe more.
Talk to me in a week Lebron James, we can talk at length how the trade looks. One of us can eat some crow, the other can buy the beer.
you're going under the assumption that if the cavs win this series, the trade is good, and if they lose, it's bad
and that isn't right at all...
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Lebron has to elevate his game (If thats possible) in order for us to have a shot. 3 good players are better then 1 great player just ask San Antonio....
Two or three other players have to elevate their games in order for us to win this series. LBJ will play well every night, but he is going to need help.
i agree, we need the lebron from a few nights ago...
the lebron from game 5 in the detroit series is nice, but to win a championship you need the guy who's flirting with a triple double every night...
and in order for him to get a triple double, other guys have to be hitting their shots... obviously...
and i've noticed when lebron gets up there in rebounds, this team tends to do better, because it means lebron is playing closer to the basket... more motivated, fired up, whatever you want to call it...
that's the guy we gotta see...
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Some of you are crazy if you think that Clevelands bench is better than Boston because it isn't. Simple as that. That's not me being a homer because I root for Cleveland as well, over everyone except the Celtics.
This is a tough series for both teams and both teams will play it tough. They split in the season at 2 apiece, but one game LeBron didn't play and one game KG didn't play so these teams have really only played each other twice. Not counting the two games were LeBron and KG were out:
The Cavs won at home by 5 in OT. The other, Boston won by 5 in regulation.
LeBron is going to score 30 in every game this series most likely, but Boston can play great defense - especially against a half court offense like Cleveland. Wally, Delonte, or Boobie will have to step up in a game for Cleveland to win, LeBron won't do it alone.
I think Boston wins this series in 7, possibly 6. I don't think the Cavs are good enough team to beat Boston in a 7 game series. I think some of you overestimate the talent level on Cleveland because LeBron makes them all look much better than they really are. I think Cleveland is a middle of the road team talent-wise, but LeBron himself makes them a possible top 10 team.
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anyone watching teh Detroit game?? Place is half empty!!!! 
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