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I don't know if this is buried somewhere else or not, but IMO felt it deserved a stand alone. Someone will correct be if I am wrong.
Cleveland Browns OTAs are off and running by Tony Grossi Plain Dealer Reporter Wednesday May 14, 2008, 1:56 PM
Observations from the Browns organized team activity practice:
• On the very first play of team drills, the starting defensive front was Corey Williams, Shaun Smith and Robaire Smith. The inside linebackers were Andra Davis and Leon Williams because D'qwell Jackson was absent while honeymooning. The starting cornerbacks were Eric Wright and Daven Holly.
• Defensive lineman Shaun Rogers later conceded that he's going through a learning period at both nose tackle and end in the Browns' 3-4 system.
• Rookie draft picks and undrafted free agents can't participate in OTAs until May 16.
• Other players absent besides Jackson were Kellen Winslow, LeCharles Bentley and Kenny Wright. Winslow's absence could be a precursor to a contract dispute. Other players not fully healthy to participate -- Steve Heiden, Joe Jurevicius and Gary Baxter -- were in the facility working with trainers.
• Defensive lineman Shaun Rogers is wearing No. 92. With all the concern about his weight, Rogers looks a lot more svelte than the previous player wearing that number, Ted Washington. Actually, Rogers looks a lot better than he did in his last year in Detroit.
• Derek Anderson's first two passes in team drills were intended for newly acquired receiver Donte Stallworth. The first was on the money, the second was not. Establishing a rapport with Stallworth, the team's No. 2 receiver, evidently will be a goal during this portion of the pre-season.
• The difference in the offense compared to a year ago at this time was palpable. One year into the Rob Chudzinski system, everyone was more confident and the result was crisper throws and routes.
• Anderson, incidentally, sounded more confident in front of the media than a year ago when he was in an open competition for the starting job. He said he was working on throwing to his left and with more accuracy in general.
• Right guard Ryan Tucker walked off early in the practice and did not return. Coach Romeo Crennel said Tucker felt discomfort in his hip.
• It's a big year for third-year receiver Travis Wilson. He had to feel good about snatching a Brady Quinn bullet thrown between Daven Holly and Brodney Pool on the left sideline. Wilson, however, had two drops later.
• The absense of Kellen Winslow, Steve Heiden and the rookies made for a shortage at tight end. The only two available were Darnell Dinkins and Brad Clesiak.
• Willie McGinest was very vocal during periods of the practice session. Afterwards, he talked about his decision to come back for one last season partly as a responsiblity to coach Romeo Crennel and his teammates to finish the job here. You could tell in at least one response to a question that McGinest was not a huge fan of former defensive coordinator Todd Grantham.
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D'qwell Jackson was absent while honeymooning.
Obvious contract dispute on the horizon... 
Thanks for the read, 'Peen.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/ Cleveland Browns terminate contract of Kenny Wright by Mary Kay Cabot, Plain Dealer Reporter Wednesday May 14, 2008, 4:06 PM Cornerback Kenny Wright was released by the Browns today at 4 p.m. following his arrest April 3 in Pearland, Texas after a disturbance in a police parking lot. The Browns declined to comment on Wright's situation and his agent, Robert Fayne, did not immediately return a phone call. Wright was charged with unlawful restraint, evading arrest and possession of marijuana. Wright, a 10-year pro, played in only seven games last season with one start. He was inactive for seven games and made three tackles. Wright's arrest was his second of the off-season. He was also charged with misdemeanor possession of marijuana in March after being stopped for speeding. The Browns are thin at backup cornerback, but were not about to put up with such antics from a backup who barely plays.
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Defensive lineman Shaun Rogers later conceded that he's going through a learning period at both nose tackle and end in the Browns' 3-4 system.
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Or it could be the same as last year when he worked out somewhere else instead of here.. I guess Grossi will NOT let it go.. what a dolt.
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Well, then I'm glad we fired him..
Now, go make the new DC look like a genius will ya 
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Ummm...isn't he recovering from surgery?
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You haven't been paying attention, Diehard. According to Grossi, Winslow's absence MUST mean he is going to hold out and probably never play in Cleveland again.  For whatever reason, Grossi continues to assert that Winslow is upset about his contract and is going to hold out. I know I think that's a bunch of hogwash.
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You haven't been paying attention, Diehard. According to Grossi, Winslow's absence MUST mean he is going to hold out and probably never play in Cleveland again.
LOL it's not just Grossi, it's Cabot and Pluto also... THey are all on this thing like white on rice for some reason.
Nobody is talking and I think that frustrates the hell out of them, so I think thier tact is to make stuff up and see if they can get someone to comment.
And still, nobody is talking.. It's gotta be driving them all nuts about now...LOL I totally love it.
Kenny Wright Gone,,, I like that a lot..
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Thanks for the read, Peen. Been starving for info. Quote:
Defensive lineman Shaun Rogers later conceded that he's going through a learning period at both nose tackle and end in the Browns' 3-4 system.
Perfectly natural... I just have a feeling he's going to be a beast this season.
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I thought LCB was going to be there. Hmm, maybe next week? hope it's not true about K2... If it is, I wonder if Phil will negotiate or let him sit. Damn, when does G-Bax get cleared... if he's still not ready after two years to get onto the field, I wonder what makes anyone think he ever will be ready.
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Defensive lineman Shaun Rogers is wearing No. 92. With all the concern about his weight, Rogers looks a lot more svelte than the previous player wearing that number, Ted Washington. Actually, Rogers looks a lot better than he did in his last year in Detroit.
Hell, RAC looks svelte next to TW. Rogers=BEAST! 
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Derek Anderson's first two passes in team drills were intended for newly acquired receiver Donte Stallworth. The first was on the money, the second was not. Establishing a rapport with Stallworth, the team's No. 2 receiver, evidently will be a goal during this portion of the pre-season.
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The O was kind of scary last year putting up all those points. This year they could actually be down right frightening if it all comes together. I love Chud. Yes, it's a man-crush.
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Anderson, incidentally, sounded more confident in front of the media than a year ago when he was in an open competition for the starting job. He said he was working on throwing to his left and with more accuracy in general.
Incidentally, I want to see the reading on confidence meter myself before I buy into anything. I like that he's working on his shortcomings. 
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Walk it off. We don't have any depth on the O-line-- Oh wait...
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This is what we've been getting from Wilson since day one. One step forward, two dropped passes.
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Didn't he mean to say, "Future Browns Linebacker Coach" Willie McGinest was very vocal...? Wow, they must have really hated The Pumpkin'. If that is the case, I'm really glad he's gone and it should spell wonders for the D, especially in light of the additions.

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Hey, you shouldn't be so hard on Grossi. This is the same guy that was dead on last year when he stated that RAC was going to be fired and Jim Tressel would be the next coach of the Cleveland Browns. 
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j/c... Offense expecting more in Year Two Zac Jackson, Staff Writer 05.14.2008 Even the hardest of the die-hard Browns fans probably took a day away from football this winter. Such fans will be glad to know that at least one important person in the Browns' organization thinks another important person did not. "I think Chud is a mad scientist," Derek Anderson said Wednesday. "I don't think he's ever left the building since January." Chud, of course, is offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, who with the help of Anderson and friends orchestrated a turnaround last fall that resulted in the Browns ranking among the league's best offenses, scoring more than 400 points and winning 10 games. With the start of organized team activity (OTA) practices this week, the Browns are back on the practice field and working on an even stronger encore. Considering that Chudzinski was a first-year, first-time NFL coordinator and Anderson entered last season competing for the job and a chance to make just his fourth career start, the Browns made some pretty significant progress in a pretty short period of time. Now - with another year of experience, another year in Chudzinski's system and Anderson being one of four Pro Bowlers set to return to the starting lineup - comes the really good stuff. That's what the Mad Scientist and his subjects are hoping, anyway. "The biggest thing is that we're just confident in ourselves, not just Derek," said Braylon Edwards, one of those four Pro Bowlers. "We're confident in what we did last year. We're confident in the ability that we can have this year. We're confident that (the NFL) gave us a schedule like this for a reason." Bright lights and big games - five of them nationally-televised in prime time - await. The Browns know how far they've come, and they're anxious to see how far they can take it. "The only difference now is that people are watching," Edwards said. "We felt the same way last year and we went out there and put together 10 wins, obviously we should have had 13. We knew what we could do last year and we went out and accomplished a lot, so this year it's the same thing, the only thing is everyone else is watching." What's not the same as it was last May, though, is that Anderson knows he's entering the season as the starter. While Anderson concedes that's "a good thing," he says neither he nor any of his teammates are taking anything for granted. "Guys have been here working through the offseason, (trying) to keep building on what we were doing and breeding that success," Anderson said. "I'm still going to work, still going to push myself, still have the coaches stay on me and get me better. "I feel like we've just kind of tapped in to it a little bit. We've got a lot of learning to continue to do." Home Page
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You haven't been paying attention, Diehard. According to Grossi, Winslow's absence MUST mean he is going to hold out and probably never play in Cleveland again. .
Ummmm....no. Grossi clearly states "*could* be the precursor" -- not *is*, *was*, or *will be*.
Just because you can't read doesn't change what he actually wrote.
I'd suggest that if you're going to rip on someone, at least rip on what they're actually saying -- not words you're putting in their mouths.
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j/c Notebook: O-line depth apparent Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer 05.14.2008 The newly created depth along the Browns interior offensive line was clearly evident Wednesday during the first practice of 2008 organized team activity (OTA) practices open to the media. There were plenty of bodies and plenty of options for Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski. With the first team along the interior line were, as expected, Eric Steinbach at left guard, Hank Fraley at center and Ryan Tucker at right guard. With Seth McKinney and Lennie Friedman re-signed during the offseason and free agent Rex Hadnot brought in from Miami, there was some question as to who would have the initial leg up at the right guard spot. But head coach Romeo Crennel said Wednesday that player is Tucker, who started the final eight games of the season in 2007 at the position. The team's first line rounded out with Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas, entering his second NFL season, and Kevin Shaffer at right tackle. Versatility is also a strength of the line going into the season - Shaffer has experience playing left tackle and Tucker played most of his career at right tackle. The team's second line featured Isaac Sowells at left tackle, Friedman at left guard, McKinney at center, Hadnot at right guard and Cliff Lewis at right tackle. During team drills, however, Steinbach and Tucker sat out and were replaced in the starting lineup by Friedman and Hadnot. Tucker did leave the field midway through practice with an undisclosed hip injury and did not return. Crennel said he'll be evaluated by the team doctor Wednesday. Hadnot is the lone new veteran addition to the unit in 2008. He has only missed one NFL game since joining the league as a sixth round draft pick of the Dolphins in 2004. He played in and started all 16 games during each of the last three seasons. He started the '05 and '07 seasons at right guard and played center in '06. Now, he has left a team that went 1-15 last year to one that went 10-6 and had a lineman selected for the Pro Bowl. "In watching football and film last year you can't help but notice the (Browns offensive line) did a great job last year," Hadnot said. "I just want to come in and do my part and work hard, see where I fall in the mix and do everything I can do make not only the O-line better but the team better." Hadnot will compete with Tucker, McKinney and Friedman for the team's starting right guard spot. Hadnot said earning the job is his goal. "No question," Hadnot said. "Anybody with any kind of fire and desire would definitely say that and I'm no different." WINSLOW UPDATE-Browns tight end Kellen Winslow was missing from OTAs Wednesday. Crennel said he doesn't yet know whether Winslow's absence is "health-related" or "non-health-related." "When he gets here we'll find out for sure what that is," Crennel said. Winslow had knee surgery earlier in the offseason. NO ROOKIES--Due to league regulations, the Browns' rookie class isn't allowed to report to OTAs until Friday. At that point, Beau Bell, Martin Rucker and the rest of the rookies will join their teammates. NO D'QWELL--Browns linebacker D'Qwell Jackson was absent from practice Wednesday. The third-year linebacker is celebrating his honeymoon after getting married recently. When he does take the field for OTAs, Jackson will be wearingnumber 52, his college number. The number had been worn for the past three seasons by Matt Stewart, who signed with the Arizona Cardinals during the offseason. Jackson's old number of 58 will be worn by Bell. LECHARLES UPDATE--Also missing from practice Wednesday was offensive lineman LeCharles Bentley, who is still rehabbing from a torn patellar tendon suffered during '06 training camp. "I've spoken with LeCharles and I think he has one or two things he has to try and work through as far as his treating physician and then trying to come and pass our physical," Crennel said. Crennel said Bentley might not be present until the team's mandatory minicamp in mid-June. BAXTER UPDATE--Browns safety Gary Baxter did not participate in practice but was seen running along the sidelines. "Medically he's still rehabbing so when they get ready to put him out there they'll put him out there," Crennel said. Baxter is trying to become the first player in NFL history to return to the field after rupturing patellar tendons in both knees. In other injury news, receiver Joe Jurevicius (knee) and tight end Steve Heiden (back) both missed practice but were present at the team facility, according to Crennel. Safety Justin Sandy sat out practice with an undisclosed injury but was seen running on the field afterwards. STARTING D-LINE--With four major players on the defensive line now in the mix there was some question as to who would begin practice on the field in the three spots available. During Wednesday's practice, Corey Williams played at left end, while Robaire Smith was at right end. Shaun Smith played at nose tackle. However, when the team did its second round of team drills, Shaun Rogers replaced Smith at the nose spot. With Smith having experience at both nose and end in the 3-4, the quartet is expected to rotate throughout the coming season. LOTS OF DINKINS--With Winslow and Heiden out and rookies Rucker and Kolomona Kapanui absent, that left only two tight ends on the field Wednesday in Darnell Dinkins and Brad Cieslak. That meant far more reps during practice than Dinkins is accustomed. While tiring, he enjoyed his time on the field. "The last few days were real fun," Dinkins said. "I'm just really excited about the opportunity that's presented." 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Ummm...isn't he recovering from surgery?
J.J and Heiden are here. They're recovering as well, and J.J. perhaps the most serious of all with the staph infection after his surgery.
No reason why Winslow can't be here as well.
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Maybe it has something to do with the fact that last time he rehabbed here he contracted a staph infection that set his recovery back and he doesn't want to take that chance again.
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Maybe it has something to do with the fact that last time he rehabbed here he contracted a staph infection that set his recovery back and he doesn't want to take that chance again.
It could be any number of things.
If Winslow holds out..that is fine by me....it save his leg in camp.
As long as he stays in shape and can go game 1....who really cares.
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Establishing a rapport with Stallworth, the team's No. 2 receiver, evidently will be a goal during this portion of the pre-season.
A very noteworthy goal to have indeed. What.. did the writer think this would not be a goal? LOL..
Sheesh.. I can't wait until August. Normally, I hate that month because it stands between me and September but boy howdy, seeing camp right now would be fun.
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BROWNS Bentley Winslow Winslow, Bentley absent at voluntary Browns' practice Wednesday, May 14, 2008 Mary Kay Cabot Plain Dealer Reporter Tight end Kellen Winslow and center LeCharles Bentley did not attend the first day of organized team activities Tuesday and are not expected to be on hand today when the practice is open to the media. It's unknown whether either will participate in any of the 12 practices over the next three weeks, all of which are voluntary. The OTAs, which most players attend, lead up to the mandatory minicamp June 10-12. Winslow has been in San Diego rehabbing his surgically repaired knee, but it's still unclear whether his absence is health-related or has more to do with the fact he wants to re-do his contract. Winslow's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, reached by phone on Tuesday, said, "I have no comment on Kellen's situation."Winslow has not been seen in Berea for most of the offseason and declined a request to be interviewed. Not including bonuses, he's scheduled to make $4 million in 2008, $4.5 million in 2009 and $4.75 million in 2010. Browns General Manager Phil Savage has made it clear the Browns have treated Winslow well and that he's under contract for three more years.As for Bentley, his agent, Jonathan Feinsod, said Tuesday, "I guarantee LeCharles will play football in 2008."
What he didn't say was for whom. Before the St. Ignatius product can begin practicing with the Browns, he must pass their physical. The plan was for Bentley to get examined by his orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Russ Warren, in New York before undergoing the Browns exam. Feinsod would not say whether that has happened and declined further comment on Bentley's situation. As of Tuesday, Bentley had not taken the Browns' physical. There was some sentiment, according to one source, for Bentley to wait until minicamp to begin practicing. Last season, the Browns shortened Bentley's contract by three years and gave him a chance to become an unrestricted free agent after this season. He's due to make the NFL minimum for his position of $605,000, but has incentives that can earn him the $4 million he was originally set to make in 2008. The Browns have protected themselves by signing guard/center Rex Hadnot and re-signing guard/center Lennie Friedman. If the two sides decide to part ways, Bentley intends to play elsewhere. No talks yet: A source said no talks have taken place yet between the Browns and Tom Condon regarding a new deal for receiver Braylon Edwards. To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: mcabot@plaind.com,216-999-4670 Plain Dealer Quote:
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What the hell? I'm sure there are a lot of talks that aren't taking place. Is this simply muck stirring by Mary-I'll do anything to create a story-Kay or is something going on?
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What the hell? I'm sure there are a lot of talks that aren't taking place. Is this simply muck stirring by Mary-I'll do anything to create a story-Kay or is something going on?
I seem to remember hearing that the Browns were interested in extending Braylon. Not much of a story there.
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I hadn't heart that, thanks DT.
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Man, are you sure your location shouldn't be "section 8" instead?
I was merely making light of the subject that every single time Grossi writes an article, he throws in a Winslow reference and how it points to a hold out even though nothing has ever been suggested that Winslow is planning on holding out.
Personally, I'd suggest that if YOU'RE going to rip on someone, get a clue what the back story is.
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j/c Winslow notably missing as Browns open practice Associated Press Updated: May 14, 2008, 8:10 PM ET Comment Email Print BEREA, Ohio -- Kellen Winslow wouldn't be practicing anyway, but the star tight end's absence from the Cleveland Browns' organized team activities this week is notable. Winslow Unlike mini-camps, the three weeks of OTAs are not mandatory. However, players usually report so they can take part in conditioning drills and team meetings or rehab injuries. Winslow, who underwent offseason knee surgery and his recovering in San Diego, has made it clear he wants the Browns to redo his contract. Winslow missed most of his first two seasons in the league with injuries. He three more years left on a contract the Browns restructured after he missed an entire year following a motorcycle accident. It's unclear if Winslow's absence is health related or foreshadowing a contract dispute. Coach Romeo Crennel didn't provide any insight into the reason for Winslow not being around. "When he gets here, we'll find out for sure exactly what that is," said Crennel. "He's not here and I haven't spoken with him, so when he gets here I'll be able to answer that question." Browns general manager Phil Savage already has said the team has no intention of reworking Winslow's contract after it acted in good faith when he was coming back from his injuries and restructured the deal. A year ago, wide receiver Braylon Edwards missed the first day of OTAs, raising concerns he and the Browns were at odds over something. The always talkative wideout had little to say about his teammate's truancy on Wednesday. "Everybody goes through personal trials and tribulations, and obviously he has something going on that the team is aware about," Edwards said. "That's his business. I don't know what's going on. So that's up to him and coach." Linebacker Willie McGinest, who recently decided he will retire after the upcoming season -- his 15th -- was asked if as a team leader he would speak with Winslow. "I don't know what the situation is with Kellen, but if they needed me to speak to him, I'm like a big brother to him," he said. "We're all supposed to be brothers and family around here, so everybody should be able to talk to each other." Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3396367
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Deserves a new contract??? What??? The Browns stood by him while he screwed himself by launching himself off a crotch rocket, they treated him very good. He has played how many games and has a very good season and all of a sudden you think he needs a new contract? Wow I am glad our organization is in the hands of Savage.
I still think he will report to camp and is just rehabbing on his own until the camps become mandatory.
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No reason why Winslow can't be here as well.
Pay attention, Winslow is recovering from surgery as well,,,,, and since his rookie year, he hasn't attended the OTA's in May... This isn't new.... But some reporters and fans feel it should be I guess.
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Pay attention, Winslow is recovering from surgery as well,,,,, and since his rookie year, he hasn't attended the OTA's in May... This isn't new.... But some reporters and fans feel it should be I guess.
As long as he shows up in September...I wont remember if he showed up in May anyway.
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Now this REALLY irks me... Cleveland Browns players talk about Winslow's no-show Thursday, May 15, 2008 Mary Kay Cabot Plain Dealer Reporter The Browns are apparently interpreting Kellen Winslow's absence from voluntary organized team activities - and silence - as a statement about his contract. Asked Wednesday if it was health-related, coach Romeo Crennel said, "When he gets here we'll find out for sure exactly what that is. He's not here and I haven't spoken with him." But Crennel didn't seem surprised by the no-show. "There's something that happens every year with somebody," he said. "We've just got to get this team ready." He said the last time he talked to Winslow was in January or February. Winslow has been rehabbing his surgically repaired knee in San Diego since then, but his absence most of the off-season is believed to be related to wanting a new deal. The 12 voluntary practices lead up to a mandatory minicamp June 10-12. "It's not a big deal," Josh Cribbs said. "If he was here, he'd be hurt." Cribbs added: "It's not a question of his character because he plays like a soldier. When he gets here, he's going to work his butt off." Said Braylon Edwards: "Everybody goes through personal trials and tribulations. If he has something going on that the team is aware of, that's his business." Fellow tight end Darnell Dinkins said: "We all know he's dealing with certain things. Kellen made the Pro Bowl. When he's with us, he competes. Nobody else is going to contribute more than that." Team leader Willie McGinest said he'd talk to Winslow if the team asked him to. "I'm like a big brother to him," McGinest said. "We're all supposed to be brothers and family around here." the lame dealer Where, Mary Kay.... Where on Earth in your article and in the words that RAC and the players used when speaking with you, did they indicate that Winslow's absence is contract related? How in the world did you make that connection based on what you've reported? These people are reaching for a story that isn't even close to being there. Who knows? Maybe Winslow will come out and say something about his contract, indicating that he plans to hold out? But so far he hasn't said that! His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, hasn't even said that. Nobody but these idiots at the Plain Dealer and every piggy-backing media outlet across the nation has said that. Unfreakingbelievable.
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LOL I'd prefer for him to show up for a mandatory stuff.. I believe that that starts in June.. If he doesn't show up then, then I'll agree, there is a problem.
Until then, everything he's doing is just what he does every year..
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I agree Kardiac, this is simply amazing. Now, is it possible that they have some insider information that leads them to believe it's about the contract, but none of the involved parties are saying it? Yeah, it's possible.
But, we have heard NOTHING, outside of Winslow's statement earlier this year, regarding his contract.
I really hope this isn't just digging up muck for the sake of a story and that there's something truly concrete they can point to because if they can't, this isn't journalism, it's crap.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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As for Bentley, his agent, Jonathan Feinsod, said Tuesday, "I guarantee LeCharles will play football in 2008."
What he didn't say was for whom.
Huh?@! Where did that come from? Like I'm supposed to be worried that Bentley might be going to another team? Whatevs....
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Winslow, who underwent offseason knee surgery and his recovering in San Diego, has made it clear he wants the Browns to redo his contract.
This is case in point, really. What evidence is there of this? If these "reporters" had even the smallest amount of detail, they'd throw in a quote from an "inside source." Instead, they just throw this out there.
It's essentially the same, IMO, as saying "Randy Lerner is afraid of Phil Savage.", and leaving it at that. No basis for it, but just drudging crap up.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I think it is well documented that we ( Cleveland ) have the worst sports writers of any major league town !  .. Has been this way for years !
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Here is the original report of Kellen wanting a new deal... Browns Tight End Winslow Wants a New Deal Posted by Stephen Rhodes under Cleveland Browns February 8, 2008 Add another to the list of Browns players looking for a new deal; during an interview with Sirius NFL Radio, tight end Kellen Winslow said that he wants to renegotiate his current contract. Winslow added, “When I got hurt [in 2005], the contract got renegotiated, so some things changed, but I think I’ve proven these past two years that I’m one of the elite tight ends. My value on the field, they put in an extra DB in the game, and that really changes the whole game. They have to guard me kind of like a wide receiver so, you know, yeah, gotta to get that new money.” He was asked whether he will seek a new deal; Winslow replied, “Yeah. Hope so. Hope so.” Winslow said that he will let his new agent, Drew Rosenhaus, handle any and all negotiations; Winslow fired the Poston brothers last offseason and signed on with Rosenhaus. He is currently signed through 2010 and will earn $4 million in 2008, $.45 million in 2009 and $4.75 million in 2010. Browns general manager may at some point in time reconsider a makeover of Winslow’s current contract, but he, in the meantime, has some other contracts to deal with - getting both quarterback Derek Anderson and running back Jamal Lewis re-signed. Winslow originally signed a 6-year deal worth up to $40 million in 2004, but threw away millions in incentives when he was involved in a motorcycle accident that left him with a shattered knee, among injuries that he suffered. In October 2005, Winslow signed a 1-year extension through 2010 and restructured his deal to wherehe could recoup the $3 million he had already lost in bonus money and the money he stood to lose in subsequent years. Regardless of all of this, Winslow will have to take a number and have a seat if he wants to be considered for a do-over of his current contract. article He HOPES he gets a new deal. He's not demanding it or threatening to hold out because of it. And he's letting Rosenhaus, who declined to comment on Kellen's situation yesterday, handle the negotiations. Don't you think that if they were actively seeking a new deal, Rosenhaus would be up to his old tricks and blabbing all over the news about it. But he's not saying a word. That is very uncharacteristic of his behavior in trying to get his big name clients new contracts. These reporters are trying to suggest that where there is smoke, there is fire. But in truth, there is no smoke. There may have been a small spark back in February but nothing since. So they're inventing the smoke and trying to create the fire. But this has "Non-story" written all over it. 
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I think it is well documented that we ( Cleveland ) have the worst sports writers of any major league town ! .. Has been this way for years !
I intend to change that.
I agree that this whole Winslow thing has been WAY overblown. I see it as a good thing. Winslow wants to stay a Brown. He isn't threatening to hold out or anything, all he said was that he would like an extension.
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I agree that there are plenty of reasons to dislike and distrust the media. I do however think that there are members of the media who do a good job. I just don't think you should stereotype against all journalists.
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Yeah I totally agree with you. I don't think I ever disagreed with you. I just stated that they just do what they get paid to do. But this is complete garbage.
On a side note, it appears Winslow WAS present for OTAs last year... OTA Notes: Winslow a spectator Steve King, Staff Writer 05.22.2007 The pass offense didn't exactly click Tuesday during the Browns' first organized team activities (OTA) session. Quarterbacks missed open receivers. Passes went off receivers' hands. Wrong routes were run. Many of things you might expect on the first day of school. But add it all up, and the pass offense probably didn't rate a passing grade. Was it all disappointing to Romeo Crennel? Yes, absolutely. Why wouldn't it be? After all, he's the head coach and as such responsible for the quality of play throughout the team. The pass -- er, buck -- stops at his desk. But the 38th-year coaching veteran was hardly surprised by it. The entire unit is on a learning curve as new offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski installs his scheme. And those things simply take time. The Browns have plenty of that, since the regular season doesn't start for another 3 ½ months. "We were not as sharp as we need to be," Crennel said. "I told them this morning that we were going to throw a lot at them, and when you do that, sometimes it can look a little jagged. But along about the third or fourth day, you'll see some improvement." There was more to it than that, though. The Browns were also plagued by the fact they were without two of their top pass catchers from a year ago, tight end Kellen Winslow and wide receiver Braylon Edwards. Both missed practice. Winslow, who tied a team record for receptions last season with 89, is still recovering from offseason knee surgery. He came out onto the field and watched the last 50 minutes of practice after finishing his rehabilitation work. Crennel said Winslow is "doubtful" for the full-squad minicamp, set for June 12-14. "His target date is training camp," the coach said. As for Edwards: "He did not give a reason," Crennel said. "I'd like for everybody to be here, but this is a voluntary camp. I'm just glad that the guys who are here, are here." main site So for future reference Daman, why don't we leave the fact tweaking to the local spin doctors?
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I do however think that there are members of the media who do a good job. I just don't think you should stereotype against all journalists.
It used to be that I thought Mary Kay Cabot just wrote it as it was,, No so anymore.. Pluto is a guy I respect, but even he isn't immune to pimping Non-Stories in order to get action,
So yeah, there may be some that are straight up, but they are far and few between and at times, they all blow stuff up to get a reaction..
I do distrust reporters,,, I won't deny it. But it's not without good reason.
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Ahh Damn,, must have been the year before he missed.. My mistake,, OK,, He's holding out for a new contract...,  But no matter what, the just is STILL Coming off surgery,, and all anyone can say is that he's missing camp and it has something to do with his contract..
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