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Quinn confident he can lead Browns if needed

Friday, May 16, 2008


BY STEVE DOERSCHUK

REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

BEREA He's not The Man. Not now. Brady Quinn watches while Derek Anderson runs the first-string offense.

But there are more than two months until preseason games start.

What if something changes? What if the Browns need Quinn in this season of great expectations?

The question was phrased this way to Quinn during a one-on-one interview after a spring practice: "If you find yourself on the field, can you be that quarterback a team hoping for a deep run in the playoffs needs?"

Quinn didn't hesitate. "Oh, no doubt in my mind."

Quinn enters his second pro season after taking 10 regular-season snaps as a rookie first-round pick.

Team officials are careful to say Anderson is the No. 1 quarterback and mysterious in presenting when Quinn might see the field.

For now, Quinn is patiently exuberant.

"I'm always confident in my abilities," he said. "I'm confident in our team, especially the talent that we have.

"When you look at these guys out here ... it's fun. You've got playmakers all over the field."

Head Coach Romeo Crennel said the thing that most impressed him about Quinn as a rookie was his ability to lead — whether with backups in the preseason or as the "scout team" QB, often giving the No. 1 defense fits.

When he finally got in a real game, he led the No. 1 offense down the field and would have hung a touchdown on the 49ers had Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow Jr. not dropped passes in the end zone.

Quinn's approach?

"You just go out there and be yourself," he said. "It helps a lot having a year under your belt. Some of those older guys give you respect when they've been around you more and see your work ethic."

What did he get out of 2007?

"Just having that year to digest the offense, understand what's going on," he said. "Coming out here, you just start to see things flow so much better."

The Browns took a quantum leap on offense in 2007, averaging 351.3 yards a game after managing 264.6 a year earlier.

Quinn sees plenty of room for improvement.

"We can't be explosive at times," he said. "We need to be explosive all the time, with all parts of our offense. Running game, passing game, red zone, short yardage. Everything.

"We need to be consistent all over."

The Browns have consistently said Anderson is ahead of Quinn. Yet something about Quinn inspires a growing curiosity.

Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail: steve.doerschuk@cantonrep.com

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Good read, thanks Shep. A few things I noticed:

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Head Coach Romeo Crennel said the thing that most impressed him about Quinn as a rookie was his ability to lead — whether with backups in the preseason or as the "scout team" QB, often giving the No. 1 defense fits.




I remember Jim Tressel always talking about that the success of his starters is in large part due to the great play of his scout team in practice. I know I stand by the old adage that to become truly great, you have to always go against people who are very good, if not better than you.

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When he finally got in a real game, he led the No. 1 offense down the field and would have hung a touchdown on the 49ers had Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow Jr. not dropped passes in the end zone.




No doubt due to his imminent holdout.


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With a year of experience under his belt, he's sure to see more of the field in pre-season this year. Granted it will be against second teamers, but it will give the coaches a better idea of the type of leadership and skills the kid does have. Should be an interesting pre-season.

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What Phil did to keep both guys AND keep them happy is truly an accomplishment. Could he have done it any better? I don't think so.

I also think it could be the undoing of the team this year. The fact of the matter is that we have a young team on the rise where the most important position on the field is unsettled. This could become a very big problem...or not. But the possibility is there.

I'm really hoping as we progress through the offseason that the reports coming out of Berea are indicating that one of these guys is head and shoulders above the rest.

I'm not sure how far we can truly go until we know who the guy is.


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The Browns took a quantum leap on offense in 2007, averaging 351.3 yards a game after managing 264.6 a year earlier.






Wow, the Browns offense improved 87 yards a game. What makes that stat even more outstanding is that the Browns didnt even need as many yards per game because of the field position Cribbs gave them.

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This is not a bash .... but let's put things in perspective ......

Cleo Lemon gave our defense fits ......

Kyle Boller gave our defense fits ......

Steve McNair gave our defense fits ......

Marc Bulger gave our defense fits .....

Carson Palmer gave our defense fits ..... (and damn near a heart attack)

Ben Roethlisberger gave our defense fits .....

Tom Brady gave our defense fits .......

Our defense had a lot of "fits" last year ..... but not a lot of success until the weather slowed down the opposing offenses.


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Cleo Lemon gave our defense fits ......




That right there gave ME fits!!


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More Cleo bashing..... you're just HATERS! Haters I say!


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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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I'm sorry, I just don't think I could ever forgive them for moving past Sage Rosenfels.


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I have stood away for 2 months but i can bite my tongue no longer ... someone finally said sumptin stupid enough to draw me back .. I'm gonna indulge for a few days and then go back to invisible ....

1. IT IS A BASH .... or at least it sure looks like one ... *L*

I need to clarify before I get to #2 ... I see U and your "apologist" crew always sticking up for the inconsistent one and never aknoldging (I didn't learn how to spell any better in my absence in case your wondering .. L*) ... the WEAK ASS SCHEDULE he was inconsistent against ... YET ... one guy writes a nice article on our back up and U choose to pick it apart by pointing out HOW BAD OUR D WAS????? .. ..... amazing ...

2. those guys did it with guys that are STARTING PLAYERS in the NFL ... and a few of them actually had HIGH QUALITY NFL STARTERS and one of them had one of the best O's ever assembled ...

go ahead and compare that to BQ doing it with guys like Travis Wilson catching for him and Stephen Steptoe running for him and lord only knows who blocking for him ...

did he lead the scout team against a pretty weak D .. ABSOLUTELY ... but that weak ass d had way more talent on it than the SCRUBS he was leading thats for sure .....

as stupid as the guys pimping my boy get .. and I cringe when I read some of the posts from most of them (BTW .. I'm glad that Ammo is now on DA's side of the fence .. .. ) ... this is about as dumb a post as I've seen lately .. not that I've seen much lately ... as I havent read much more than I been posting ...

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(BTW .. I'm glad that Ammo is now on DA's side of the fence .. .. )




And the resident board whipping boy takes yet another shot ... LOL.

Ammo, buddy, you seem to have thick skin. That's a good thing for you.


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Who said I was on DA's side of the fence?

My official stance is "may the best man win, but my money's on Quinn even though i DO see the positives in Anderson's game"

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Here is the exact quote from the article:

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Head Coach Romeo Crennel said the thing that most impressed him about Quinn as a rookie was his ability to lead — whether with backups in the preseason or as the "scout team" QB, often giving the No. 1 defense fits.




Does that mean that our scout team was also giving our #1 defense "fits"? Were Tim Carter and Travis Wilson also looking like All Pros? lol I bet that's why Issac Sowells is still around too. After all, he probably dominated our DL last year.

Further, if he was running the scout team at the time ..... it would have been before he was elevated to #2. That was week 2 .... IIRC. (right after Frye was dumped on an unsuspecting Seattle) I can't recall a team with 3 QBs using #2 on the scout team ... but if I'm wrong, and Quinn did run the scout team all season long, please let me know.

And again, our defense last year sucked. Especially early in the season. Using it as a measuring stick is a really poor measure in my book. Our defense didn't become "good" until weather conditions handcuffed opposing offenses late in the year.

If that offends you ....... sorry about your thin skin.

Oh ...... and for the record ...... I'm happy we have Quinn just in case Anderson falters or should be injured at some point. He gives us additional potential at the most important position on offense ..... and hopefully would produce if called upon. All we really have on him at this point is potential and draft status though.

Further ...... I can't recall Crennel ever slamming a guy publicly. In fact, he does go out of his way to find good things to say about players .... no matter how he has to frame it.


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Does that mean that our scout team was also giving our #1 defense "fits"? Were Tim Carter and Travis Wilson also looking like All Pros? lol I bet that's why Issac Sowells is still around too. After all, he probably dominated our DL last year.




What??? It took me like 5 minutes to even figure out what your point may have been ... this is waht I come up with ... please correct me if I'm wrong ..

are u saying that tim carter and Wilson also "impressed" rAC against our #1 D?? and if so that diminishes what BQ did?? is that your angle here???

OK ... if thats what your angle is here ... all I can really do is that if they did it was only because BQ was getting them the ball on a CONSISTENT BASIS where they could CATCH IT and them ACTUALLY RUN WITH IT .... ...

the other thing I can say is WOW .... its mind boggling U would even come up with that ...

and that prety much sums up why I REFUSE to get involved in this crap anymore ... I got involved here so I will stay till the end .. the end will prolly be me ending up defending RAC for being fat and unemotional on the sidelines and Chud for having great scout team game plans for BQ to shine with EVEN WHEN THE WEATEHR GOT BAD ...

and thats what stinks about this .. it always ends up so far away from where it started ..

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Further, if he was running the scout team at the time ..... it would have been before he was elevated to #2. That was week 2 .... IIRC. (right after Frye was dumped on an unsuspecting Seattle) I can't recall a team with 3 QBs using #2 on the scout team ... but if I'm wrong, and Quinn did run the scout team all season long, please let me know.




I have no clue ... BUT since he IMPRESSED RAC I would venture to say it was for longer than one or two weeks ...

I have no INSIDE KNOWLEDGE or any idea as to how long it was for .. BUT each situation in the NFL is different .. and with a ROOKIE QB I would imagine they run the scout team weather there #2 or #3 just because there getting reps and LEARNING by BEING EXPOSED to NFL caliber D's (even though ours stunk ... )

U may have a point .... BUT I DOUBT IT ...

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And again, our defense last year sucked. Especially early in the season. Using it as a measuring stick is a really poor measure in my book. Our defense didn't become "good" until weather conditions handcuffed opposing offenses late in the year.





yes our D did STINK ... BUT OIN SUNDAYS they were playing against SOME O'S WITH ACTUALL NFL TALENT ..... as opposed to BQ who was doing it with guys that will be bagging groceries for the most part in a year or two ...

AND he did it against our D with SCRUBS .... as opposed to DA who did it against the GREAT D'S of Miami, St. Louis, Houstaon and that ALL PRO LADEN GROUP FROM CINCI with ... *DRUMROLL PLEASE .....

OUR UNTALENTED GROUP OF #1'S ON O ... ...

Ya .. another GREAT POINT BRO ...

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If that offends you ....... sorry about your thin skin.




I am a trooper ... its almost as hard for me to type with the tears running down my eyes from the hurt of your insults as it was for DA to lead our rag tag group we assembled on O agaisnt those STUDLY D'S ...



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Oh ...... and for the record ...... I'm happy we have Quinn just in case Anderson falters or should be injured at some point. He gives us additional potential at the most important position on offense ..... and hopefully would produce if called upon. All we really have on him at this point is potential and draft status though.





Luckily for us BQ will KICK HIS ASS IN TC and we won't have to wait for DA to "hand" him the job ...

and that maybe ALL U HAVE ON HIM .... but not me .. and NO I HAVE NO INSIDE INFO ...

and for the record .. I hope that DA is WAY BETTER THAN I BELIEVE because no matter what happens it would put us in the BEST POSSIBLE POSITION .... and contrary to popular belief I COULD CARE LESS who leads us to the SB ... I just KNOW that BQ will be a MUCH MUCH BETTER QB THAT DA will in this league ... that is why I am firmly entrenched in his corner ...

and I believe Opie has and is handling the 100% best way .... it should be DA's job now .. and he did a GREAT THING locking him up for 3 years ... GREAT MOVE BY OPIE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ...

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Further ...... I can't recall Crennel ever slamming a guy publicly. In fact, he does go out of his way to find good things to say about players .... no matter how he has to frame it.




funny .. he says good things about DA and its the BIBLE to the apologists ... he says sumpting good about BQ and its "framed" .. *LOL* ...

oh the hypocricy .... it truely is a joy ...

I hope all is well my friend ...




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What??? It took me like 5 minutes to even figure out what your point may have been




That's nothing, it usually takes most of us weeks to figure out what you are saying

Sorry,, just funnin with ya!


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diam, you should change your name to THISTLE.

there are always pretty gems of knowledge in your posts, if i can just get past all the sticky thorns. great to be reading you again. you have a knack for making a good case for your point couched in a steaming pile of smack. an unusual dichotomy.

Quinn sure keeps saying and doing the right things over and over again (besides his stupid holdout). i don't believe crennel will bench anderson in camp, but we could end up in a situation where a minor injury puts DA on the pine permanently if quinn performs. obviously if anderson continues to produce on the field and stays healthy BQ has 0 chance of starting. IMO the job is derek's and he won't lose it in camp.

i dont see how anybody could be sad to have both of these guys. anderson sure proved me wrong last year.

wow, its refreshing to be optimistic in the offseason.

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My official stance is "may the best man win, but my money's on Quinn even though i DO see the positives in Anderson's game"



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Thanks for the read Shep. While there's not much here we all have seen before and discussed ad infinitum, it's great RAC and the team have confidence in him. Our situation is rosy indeed. We are incredibly fortunate to have the QB situation we do. It's going to be a tough season and it is truly amazing to me that we are in the situation we are in, that there shouldn't be much of a drop off should DA go down, especially given our QB situation in the past and as recently as two years ago. BQs time on the sideline last season and leading the scout teams & the #2s is certain to have paid dividends in experience, timing, familiarity with the system and overall confidence and respect by the players. This is freakin' GREAT! Long live Phil & RAC.



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diam, you should change your name to THISTLE.

there are always pretty gems of knowledge in your posts, if i can just get past all the sticky thorns.




Shouldnt you call him Rose?


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that there shouldn't be much of a drop off should DA go down,



Don't you mean much of an increase?


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When he finally got in a real game, he led the No. 1 offense down the field and would have hung a touchdown on the 49ers had Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow Jr. not dropped passes in the end zone.




No doubt due to his imminent holdout.






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Don't you mean much of an increase?




Diggin' deep for that quip, aren't we DC?

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He better hope so with our strength of schedule.
good news is we have the easiest scxhedule in the AFCN.

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... YET ... one guy writes a nice article on our back up and U choose to pick it apart by pointing out HOW BAD OUR D WAS????? .. ..... amazing ...






I had to learn the hard way. Watch the masked profanity.

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Brady Quinn is THE Browns QB of the Future... nuf said.

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diam, you should change your name to THISTLE.

there are always pretty gems of knowledge in your posts, if i can just get past all the sticky thorns.




Shouldnt you call him Rose?




i would never presume to take a position on diam's odor. thistle works for me.



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This is the type of article I knew was coming. Like I said, it is probably going to get ugly this year. The tone of most articles and posts will be similar in nature to what we just read. BQ looked good as a scout qb and in preseason. DA lost the Bengal game and that is why we aren't in the playoffs. How open-minded.



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Head Coach Romeo Crennel said the thing that most impressed him about Quinn as a rookie was his ability to lead — whether with backups in the preseason or as the "scout team" QB, often giving the No. 1 defense fits.




Hey Steve...........that may be true, but didn't RAC also say that DA was the starter and deserved to the starter? I guess might not be as important as looking great as a scout QB.


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When he finally got in a real game, he led the No. 1 offense down the field and would have hung a touchdown on the 49ers had Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow Jr. not dropped passes in the end zone.




Ahhh......the excuses. But, when we talk about DA, we talk about how "every" catch was a great catch and there weren't any drops. One only has to look at the very same game and watch Wright drop a sure TD in the back of the end zone. And Edwards was one of the league leaders in drops. I guess those don't count.






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The Browns have consistently said Anderson is ahead of Quinn. Yet something about Quinn inspires a growing curiosity.




Sheesh. How pathetic. Let's not the facts get in the way. Almost 3800 yds, 29 TDs, making the Pro Bowl, coming close to team records in several offensive categories, leading us to way more wins than most experts thought possible. None of that is important. Well, not as important as a "feeling."



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Ahhh......the excuses.




Cmon man...Those aren't excuses...Those are FACTS...

Both passes shoulda been 6...

The kid played extremely well in his first NFL action...You can't dispute that...49ers or Giants...He still played well coming in COLD off the bench...

Anderson DOES deserve the initial shot to show he has improved enuff to be the QB of this team...The only questions that remains are...

1) What do we need to see in order to yank him or go with him...

2) How long will it take to make that decision...

And it WILL GET UGLY...Right from game 1 at home...Then Pitt in game 2 at home...Anderson best be mentally prepared for this because he's gonna HEAR IT loudly everytime he throws a BS pass...It's the nature of the beast when he hasn't PROVEN he can be the man...And it's magnified with a Quinn waiting in the wings...

All I can say is this is gonna be GOOD...


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You misunderstood. Sheesh.

The point was that DA had a lot of balls dropped on him too. Yet, I never hear one word about those. Not one. I do hear how his receivers made all these great catches. They did make some great catches, but there were far more drops than great catches.

It's slanted, man. But, I guess you don't see that.


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The tone of most articles and posts will be similar in nature to what we just read. BQ looked good as a scout qb and in preseason. DA lost the Bengal game and that is why we aren't in the playoffs. How open-minded.




Quite the clairvoyant again I see......

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The point was that DA had a lot of balls dropped on him too. Yet, I never hear one word about those. Not one.




Ahh, then you must be ignoring me again,, cause I've said it a thousand times..


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Quite the clairvoyant again I see......






Hmmm...........but, these aren't, huh?


The Browns have consistently said Anderson is ahead of Quinn. Yet something about Quinn inspires a growing curiosity.

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Brady Quinn is THE Browns QB of the Future... nuf said.

And my comments weren't clairvoyant. This nonsense has been an on-going thing and it doesn't take a clairvoyant to know that it will continue.


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Yes they had to have been clairvoyant....you said we will see articles that talk about how DA lost the Bengals game and that's why we weren't in the playoffs....

I'll be looking for them.

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All I can say is this is gonna be GOOD...




By GOOD, I hope you mean BAD.

This whole situation could be the downfall of the team this year. We have stability just about everywhere on this team, including the FO, except for this position.

Anderson is going to be under a microscope, and I think it will affect his play. This whole situation could mean the difference between success and failure his year.


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I see a QB thread is a QB thread regardless of which board you visit...lol

Rather than say profess my knowledge being better than all others. I'll just state what I took from this article.

1. It has begun! Face the facts DA is almost in a lose lose situation here.

2. RAC n Savage have stated that this is not a competition...our starter from last year earned his status as starter for the 08 campaign.

3. QB is the one position you do not open for competition...as an old adage states if you have a competition for QB that is basically testimony that you don't have a QB!

4. It has begun??? The competition for the QB within the MEDIA! And the media can be relentless. This can be good as I have seen DA fold under the pressure in the past. If he is our Franchise QB he must conquer playing under pressure, this can only add a pressure of competition prior to the season's start...not within practice and via our coaches but through the media.

5. If DA is our QB I want him to succeed. He was young and all have stated he needs to improve on last season. First things first. Succeed under pressure. Steeler and Bengal Games #2, Pro-Bowl, Competition with Frye...all defining moments of DA's career to become a step closer to being a LEGEND...all ended in the same fashion.

6. What people don't really understand is that DA is only going to turn 25 in a month...he is being given the opportunity to mature as a QB.

7. It has begun...a good test for DA and I am happy it is there - cause I don't want to learn about DA too much as the season enfolds. If he is to be our QB I wish him to conquer his inabilities to produce under pressure.

8. BQ - is being groomed btw to be the Franchise QB, he is progressing all in a positive manner. Don't underestimate the wise sage RAC stating how impressed he is with his Leadership Abilities cause it is those abilities that win Championships! Nor does this mean in any fashion that DA doesn't have the team behind him. I think to the man they all wish him to succeed. But insecurities do rear their head went put under the gun. DA must be rid of all his insecurities to display the same leadership that BQ obviously is showing.

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Anderson DOES deserve the initial shot to show he has improved enuff to be the QB of this team...The only questions that remains are...




That assumes he has to improve. I don't think he has to improve much.


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"That assumes he has to improve. I don't think he has to improve much."

You who for years has been saying Championship or bust - anything else is a failure.

I cannot believe you stated the above and actually believe it?

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I am only speaking in terms of how others are saying he has to improve.

Sure....as a team, if you don't win the Superbowl, you aren't good enough.

I think you are trying to twist things and putting them in a context that suits your needs.

Again..I don't think DA needs to improve a whole lot to keep the job.


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We have stability just about everywhere on this team, including the FO, except for this position.





That's one take.. To me your comment is "glass half empty" thinking.. which is fine.. no problem with it if that's what you want to believe.

On the other hand, it could be a very promising situation to have Quinn AND Anderson.

I personally thought that Quinn did a decent job when he stepped in for Anderson. Yeah Yeah, couple of bummed throws, but heck, that was just bound to happen the first time he stepped onto the field.. to me, it's very understandable.

And Anderson, what can you say.. take all the stats, take all the personal feelings we may have, (good or bad), take all the things that people say they saw in him... Toss it out the window.. Forget about it, it's all rubbish..

We won with DA at the helm and there is just ain't no disputeing it.. Perhaps the better thing to say is WE SCORED with DA at the helm.. that's actually more accurate I think.

Savage seems to know this, RAC seems to know this, the Players seem to know this... It aazes me some fans don't get it.

Having said all of that,, and for those reasons, I think we are sitting pretty right now.. VERY PRETTY in fact..

I really believe we can win with either guy.. and that's positive for now.

yes, sooner or later, whoever is sitting on the bench is gonna get antsy and want to play. who could blame them. But for right now, it appears that both understand the roles they play and that doesn't seem to be dividing the team at all. So why worry about it now.


You can bet that RAC and Savage understand that someday, this will need resolved, but until then.. Ride the horse that's in the race till it drops..


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"I think you are trying to twist things and putting them in a context that suits your needs."

Needs? The only Needs I have is that to see our Browns be Champions before I leave this world! In that case yes DA must show improvement to "SUIT MY NEEDS"

"I don't think DA needs to improve a whole lot to keep the job."

I see and with that little clarification (communication is tough on a message board as it is hard to read between the lines) it does change your claim somewhat. However for some reason I think you base that claim on Numbers...as in a 10 win season and DA doesn't need to IMPROVE on that a whole lot to keep his job. This is true Obviously an 11-5 season would do the job!

But as far as Football goes and not numbers to come close to 10 wins again and the defenses we will have to endure - he will have to improve a lot more than a little bit.

And what you must understand...he has the starting job but the kid underneath him is progressing exactly how one would envision a 1st round QB to progress...with nary a difficulty in his transition to the NFL. This means there will be a short leash on DA. So your claim of "to keep the job" is not accurate...maybe to keep it for the start of the season, yes more than probable. But once it commences (the season) he will need a lot more than a "little bit". Even if we win but the Offense struggles there could be change a coming (hopefully we finally got a D that will dominate and wins some games on their own!) we of course will not change till there is an opportunity (as in a loss) but the determination of that change could be made in the minds of RAC n Savage if DA shows nothing more than small improvement!

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