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Some of the most racist people I've ever met were in Canada. You're fooling yourself if you think Canadiens are less racist than Americans. I've been to Ontario and Quebec quite a few times. When I talk with the locals about why they think their country's better, they often say it's because they don't have "all those blacks" living there.
Ditto for a few French people I've spoken to.
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I'm confused why you think Reagan was so terrible. Under his administration, the country came out of a recession and the Cold War ended along with many other positive things happened. Are you saying that improving the overall economy instead of focusing on "pandering" to one group of people is a cause for mistrust?
It had nothing to do with "pandering". Simple fact is, while the rest of the country got rich...trickle down economics didn't trickle all the way down...throw in the "War on Drugs" and chaos broke out in many black communities around the country.
Feel free to put the man on a pedastal if you want, just don't expect everyone to see it that way.
I personally like Reagan as a person, just not as a policy maker.
Exactly!!! The biggest problem this country has now is the huge deficit we are running. The biggest ever. Before the Bush administration's deficit became the largest ever, Reagan left office with his $500 billion deficit.
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Also, you need to back your assertion that the majority of welfare recipients are black...you got some numbers for that? Or just some assumptions?
Actually no, I don't need to do anything.
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The trickle down economics pulled this country out of a recession. The war on drugs was an attempt to clean up the country. He was an OUTSTANDING policy maker. So I ask again, should he have done something OTHER than pull the country out of a recession? Should he have ignored the drug problem in the country? Man, I ask a serious question and that's the answer I get?
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The trickle down economics pulled this country out of a recession. The war on drugs was an attempt to clean up the country. He was an OUTSTANDING policy maker. So I ask again, should he have done something OTHER than pull the country out of a recession? Should he have ignored the drug problem in the country? Man, I ask a serious question and that's the answer I get?
Feel free to not like my answer, but it's not gonna change because you don't like it.
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Reagan inherited a mess from Carter. A country in disarray with gas shortages, the Iranian hostage situation, and an economy whose GNP fell to 4.5%, inflation had risen from Pre Carter of 4.8% to 12%. Infaltion was dropped under Reagan to under 4%, the GNP rose 3.4% PER YEAR under Reagan's administration.
Guess some forget what he inherited and what he had to fix.
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So, blacks don't trust Republicans because Reagan fixed a terrible enonomy he inherited. OK, you're right, I don't like your answer because it makes no sense.
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You have to remember, you are arguing with two guys that the worst 3 years of their lives was 1st grade.
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Thank you...was that so hard to do?
I would expect more minorities to be on welfare more than the so called "silent majority" After all, white people have had a 400 year head start!
What that did show me, was that more minorities got off of welfare during the Clinton era, and is now going back up under the Bush era. Go figure!
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Not a lot of blacks were fans of Reagan, either.
I've had some time to think about Buchanan's article today, and, IMO, it's really pretty preposterous. He demands a two-way conversation, which is fine with me, but all he talks about is that blacks should be grateful to this country, and, in essence, just shut up. At least, that's what I got from it.
Personally, I don't really think most of his points are very valid. Frankly, I think they're racist.
I understand that people have different opinions about it. I just have mine, too.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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So, blacks don't trust Republicans because Reagan fixed a terrible enonomy he inherited. OK, you're right, I don't like your answer because it makes no sense.
You know, you really will never see my point of view, and I can't put it to you in a way for you to understand other than, economics really don't amount to much when you struggle to make ends meet. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer...kind of like today
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LOL, unemployment went down, GNP went up, inflation went down, but that doesn't matter. The overall economy went from terrible to good and yet you say it "doesn't mean much". Of course it does, but I do understand your point of view. You are usting one of the Dims favorite catchphrases and truth be damned. Making the economy better doesn't mean much. That's the funniest post I've read since I decided to ignore joe. Thanks.
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You have to remember, you are arguing with two guys that the worst 3 years of their lives was 1st grade.
Are you serious?!?! First of all, 1st grade didn't last for the 3 years...maybe yours did, obviously you didn't do to well with arithmetic. Secondly, you didn't know me then. So if you were trying to be funny, you were unsuccessful.
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Slavery is over, at least in the states. Has been for quite some time, although africans are still selling africans - yes, to this day, africans are doing exactly what they did hundreds of years ago. Like it or not, it is fact.
Way back when, africans sold their countrymen to the highest bidder...americans, europeans.....whoever paid the most to the africans was allowed to buy other africans. It is fact.
Yet here today, this country still has many, many blacks - born and raised here with all the rights of the whites born and raised here, that want to cling to slavery as an excuse. Sorry, don't want to offend anyone......but.........SLAVERY IS OVER, and any black that clings to that as an exuse is a sorry person. Blacks have more advantages handed to them than whites do........like it or not, it's a fact.
So many blacks have been successful in this country.........my guess is most of the successful ones cringe when they hear the "slavery, rascist" thing going on. They probably hate it........jessie jackson and al sharpton are doing nothing but taking the easy route to padding their pockets. Like it or not, it's the truth.
What, exactly, do blacks want? Apparently they don't want a fair shot at life, because they already have it. Apparently quotas don't satisfy them, because they are in place yet blacks still complain about unfairness.
What is it that blacks want that will make things fine? Don't bother answering, because you know the truth: nothing. It's too damn easy to blame someone else.
Is there rascism today? Yes. Without a doubt. Problem is, it's mostly blacks that are rascist, though saying that will somehow paint me as a rascist........funny how speaking the truth can turn you into a rasicst..........funny, and pathetic.
ndutyime, since I replied to you, please feel free to speak for all blacks.........what would make you happy?
Shall we offer all blacks $100 grand, since a few of them have long dead ancestors that were slaves to long dead white people? What will make it go away? Don't say "a fair chance", because there are far, far too many blacks living the high life (based on their own ability) - so it's not a "fair chance".
What is it? America doesn't "respect" black culture? 95% of the blacks in america don't have a clue as to what happened in the "motherland", and 99% of americans don't know what is still happening in africa. yeah, today a tribe got overrun by other africans, and today, they sold their "brothers" and "sisters" into slavery. Today. They will do it again tomorrow, and the next day.
I don't say that to excuse what happened here in the states.........but come on.....hundreds of countries were doing it.
Blacks have a chance here that they couldn't dream of in most countries, yet all we hear is crap like "they hate me cause I'm black", or "why go to school, I'm black and no one will hire me".
That, my friend, is B.S.........and too many blacks have that attiude.
Tell me, what would make blacks happy? I'm curious. Obviously, a fair shot at success is not it. So what is it? What would make blacks happy (and keep in mind, the majority - in my opinion - have found happiness, so you will be speaking for the minority that have not been able to figure out that education equals success). What will make them happy?
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Just a general reply but I agree with some of what he said and disagree with some. I dont think anything he said was racist though, maybe incorrect, but not racist.
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Yes, and whites have to deal with it just as much as blacks, or hispanics, or orientals.............what was your point? We all deal with a bad economy, and we all deal with a good economy........where did blacks dealing with a bad economy come into play?
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He is trying to dismiss the fact that Reagan turned the economy around by saying (or at least inferring) that blacks are poor and didn't benefit from the upswing in economy. That's would mean all blacks are poor and it would mean that they didn't benefit from the decrease in unemployment, inflation, etc. which is totally false, but then he wouldn't have much to dislike about Reagan if he didn't make those inferences.
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The trickle down economics pulled this country out of a recession. The war on drugs was an attempt to clean up the country. He was an OUTSTANDING policy maker. So I ask again, should he have done something OTHER than pull the country out of a recession? Should he have ignored the drug problem in the country? Man, I ask a serious question and that's the answer I get?
Reagan was one of the worst presidents ever. I never thought we see a worse president until W came along.
Ndutyme - we're banging our heads against the wall with these guys. I was the same way. It's easy to just accept what you've been told and defend it to the death rather than learn something and see that you might not know everything you thought you did. We whites loved reagan because he told us everything was going to be okay, and most of us didn't see the mess he was creating because we didn't feel it the way the black community did.
how many of these guys do you think has read malcom X's autobiography - imho one of the people in this country who truly understood racism in America? How many have lived in a city where they were the minority? They just can't see a world that's different from what they've grown up believing.
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You know, you really will never see my point of view, and I can't put it to you in a way for you to understand other than, economics really don't amount to much when you struggle to make ends meet. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer...kind of like today
Yes, and whites have to deal with it just as much as blacks, or hispanics, or orientals.............what was your point? We all deal with a bad economy, and we all deal with a good economy........where did blacks dealing with a bad economy come into play?
We stopped using the world orientals after we finished the transcontinental railroad. I think you mean Asians. Asians = people. Orientals = rugs.
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He is trying to dismiss the fact that Reagan turned the economy around by saying (or at least inferring) that blacks are poor and didn't benefit from the upswing in economy. That's would mean all blacks are poor and it would mean that they didn't benefit from the decrease in unemployment, inflation, etc. which is totally false, but then he wouldn't have much to dislike about Reagan if he didn't make those inferences.
You are amazing CoachB, truly amazing. Your ability to completely ignore what someone is actually saying, attach to one comment out of context, and use it to make your own warped point, rivals the republican party's advertising scheme. I almost think you're pulling all our legs, but you actually belive what you say,don't you? You're that completely lost. Bravo, truly. I'm in awe.
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Blacks have more advantages handed to them than whites do........like it or not, it's a fact.
That is not a fact. If it were, I would be a lot further along than I am. I have a lot of money in student loans to pay back. Nobody handed me anything
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jessie jackson and al sharpton are doing nothing but taking the easy route to padding their pockets. Like it or not, it's the truth.
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What, exactly, do blacks want? Apparently they don't want a fair shot at life, because they already have it. Apparently quotas don't satisfy them, because they are in place yet blacks still complain about unfairness.
Show me one quota that says it's mandatory to give a black person anything!
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Problem is, it's mostly blacks that are rascist, though saying that will somehow paint me as a rascist........funny how speaking the truth can turn you into a rasicst
How is that? There are a lot of black people who are prejudiced, same as white people, same as hispanic people, same as asian people. What you consider truth, others consider opinion. But we face a similar dilemma, when I speak the "truth" people seem to think me racist.
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ndutyime, since I replied to you, please feel free to speak for all blacks.........what would make you happy?
Legalizing weed...but I don't think that's what you meant. The end of ignorance would make me happy. See, I can't speak for all black people, not all black people live the same life. That's why the end of ignorance would make me happy.
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Shall we offer all blacks $100 grand, since a few of them have long dead ancestors that were slaves to long dead white people? What will make it go away? Don't say "a fair chance", because there are far, far too many blacks living the high life (based on their own ability) - so it's not a "fair chance".
Let me ask you something. Those long dead white slave owners, that made a good amount of money from free labor, what did they pass down to their kids? Those long dead black slaves, what did they pass down to their kids?
And don't ask me a question, you've already answered for yourself. Cause no matter what I say, you won't accept it.
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I don't say that to excuse what happened here in the states.........but come on.....hundreds of countries were doing it.
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Blacks have a chance here that they couldn't dream of in most countries, yet all we hear is crap like "they hate me cause I'm black", or "why go to school, I'm black and no one will hire me".
There's more to it than that, but I agree with your intent...don't stop because of obstacles. Also, America is not the only country with opportunities, but we were born here and raised here. We'd like to be successful here as well.
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[How many have lived in a city where they were the minority?
I have and I am white, I was treated like a POS at many turns. I was persecuted. I feel the black community owes me reparations.
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Really...how much do we owe you?
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i agree. it sucks to be discriminated against, doesn't it?
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Reagan inherited a lot of Carter's problems, but he also added to them and created some of his own. I think the claim that Reagan was responisble for the collapse of the Soviet Union is is about as accurate as Osama bin Laden's claim that he was.
Reagan did some very good things during the Cold War, but he also made some bad moves that prolonged the situation. All in all, the Cold War is a very complex scenario. There are a lot of things he did that bother me a lot, but I will say there was a lot I was impressed with.
I believe his move to increase the drinking age as a means to release highway funds was taxation without representation.
The guy had very little fiscal responsibility and racked up a ton of debt - although this did bother him.
I think "trickle down" economics is a bunk idea.
His Supreme Court nominations were a mixed bag to me.
I was alright with a lot of his immigration policies, but I think it only amounted to lip service in the end.
His administration sold arms to Iran!!!
Which brings up a pertinent argue\ment -- was Reagan a dummy for an administration that made most of the decisions? I don't know the answer...I think it's a little of both.
The War on Drugs was a ridiculous and futile waste of money.
I think a lot of the things he did (and the people before and after him) are the reason we have the problems we deal with in the Middle East.
People really believed in him...and that's very important.
I can understand why people love him and I can understand why people hate him.
The current president makes every past president a little prettier.
Let me ask you this -- if you believe Reagan turned the economy around, do you believe Clinton turned the economy around as well?
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The most intelligent post I ever saw under your name
I could have a lot of fun with this. Hey coach, correct me if I'm wrong, but your wife told me you can't do the deed unless you can stare at a picture of fabio? Is that right?
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Really...how much do we owe you?
A full slab dinner from Whitmores and a DMX cd. 
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I never understood this.
I mean, by all means, if you can't stand someone's words, put 'em on ignore...but I've always just scrolled past those I didn't wish to read...the 'ignore' button has always seemed to me to be a more antagonistic gesture than anything.
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Ndutyme - we're banging our heads against the wall with these guys. I was the same way. It's easy to just accept what you've been told and defend it to the death rather than learn something and see that you might not know everything you thought you did. We whites loved reagan because he told us everything was going to be okay, and most of us didn't see the mess he was creating because we didn't feel it the way the black community did.
I know, but I do enjoy the discussion...sometimes it's pointless, but I at least can get a sense for what other people are thinking.
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how many of these guys do you think has read malcom X's autobiography - imho one of the people in this country who truly understood racism in America? How many have lived in a city where they were the minority? They just can't see a world that's different from what they've grown up believing.
Probably not many
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i agree. it sucks to be discriminated against, doesn't it?
Nah there are racist idiots on both sides, I think my point was that you cant assume that all white people came from some lilly white utopia just as you cant assume that all black people came from the hood.
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Clinton's economic boom was brought on by the .com explosions. They also had a huge downfall as well. Reagan's trickle down economics that you said were "bunk" increased the GNP, lowered inflation by a drastic amount, and lowered unemploymentl. I never gave complete credit to Reagan in my post, I said "under his administration", just to be clear.
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I never understood this.
I mean, by all means, if you can't stand someone's words, put 'em on ignore...but I've always just scrolled past those I didn't wish to read...the 'ignore' button has always seemed to me to be a more antagonistic gesture than anything.
I couldn't agree more. It's cowardly IMO. Especially when you're ignoring a person that isn't being offensive toward you.
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Really? He hasn't been offensive? He has called people "stupid", "3 year olds", and I just received a PM that said something derogatory about my wife and i? All of that is pretty offensive, but since he backs your views, I guess you don't think so.
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Reaganomics worked great for many people, but it also didn't help a lot of people. Hence, like as ndutyme said, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.
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LOL, nice catchphrase, but the economy really got MUCH better. That's the whole idea of an economic plan isn't it? How does lowering unemployment, raising the GNP and decreasing inflation NOT help everyone?
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Really? He hasn't been offensive? He has called people "stupid", "3 year olds", and I just received a PM that said something derogatory about my wife and i? All of that is pretty offensive, but since he backs your views, I guess you don't think so.
In this instance, he didn't say anything offensive to you or about you. No more than what you do on a regular basis. What he said about you and your wife was said after you ignored him.
It has nothing to do with me agreeing with him, but more to do with you! As much as I can't stand you and the things you represent, I wouldn't place you on ignore. I'd just not respond to you.
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Because some people weren't better off, that's how. The trickle down economic plan only benefits who the money trickles down to and it doesn't trickle down to everyone. Many peoples lives improved, many didn't. His economic plan was basically: give the money to the people at the top and if it reaches all the way down to you, good for you.
Many people were saying the economy was good a 3 years ago, but a good economy doesn't = everyone's lives being improved.
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I know you can't stand facts and truth, so that doesn't bother me. He was already placed on ignore because of the things he said in another post and was told as much. It is none of your concern. Oh, and the more you "can't stand" what I have to say, the more right I know I am. 
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Practice Squad
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What is it that blacks want that will make things fine? Don't bother answering, because you know the truth: nothing. It's too damn easy to blame someone else.
I cant speak for all blacks, but I would hope a person of any color would want to be treated just as fairly as the next person. That’s not really a hard concept. Im guessing you know that it’s a HUMAN trait to blame others its not a black trait.
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Is there rascism today? Yes. Without a doubt. Problem is, it's mostly blacks that are rascist, though saying that will somehow paint me as a rascist........funny how speaking the truth can turn you into a rasicst..........funny, and pathetic.
You cant be serious! There’s no way you’re going to just throw that claim out there without being called on it. Please by all means back up that claim.
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Yet here today, this country still has many, many blacks - born and raised here with all the rights of the whites born and raised here, that want to cling to slavery as an excuse. Sorry, don't want to offend anyone......but.........SLAVERY IS OVER, and any black that clings to that as an exuse is a sorry person. Blacks have more advantages handed to them than whites do........like it or not, it's a fact.
Sure slavery is over, but the residual effects didn’t stop when Slavery was outlawed. To claim otherwise is asinine. If you and I sat out to run the Boston Marathon and I held you back for 45 minutes. It would be foolish of me to tell you once you started running that the 45 minute period is over so it doesn’t matter to where we are in the Marathon.
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I don't say that to excuse what happened here in the states.........but come on.....hundreds of countries were doing it.
C’mon that line of reasoning stopped being effective when people hit puberty. "But mom, Wally and the Beave were doing it." 
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Blacks have a chance here that they couldn't dream of in most countries, yet all we hear is crap like "they hate me cause I'm black", or "why go to school, I'm black and no one will hire me".
That, my friend, is B.S.........and too many blacks have that attiude.
I’ll give you one thing those who use that excuse are lying to themselves. But you already said that ‘most’ blacks have figured ‘IT’ out. So if that small minority hasn’t shame on them. But are they really that much different from the small majority of other races with similar flimsy excuses for their lack of effort?
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