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I think it was a fluke because I don't think the Cavs are as good as most people on here think they are. It's my opinion - that's my reasoning. Besides, half the team is different from last year. The Cavs and Celtics going into the playoffs THIS year were all learning to play together as a team. That's why I didn't agree with what some people were saying that the Cavs had the playoff experience as a team in their favor. The 06-07 Cavs and the 07-08 Cavs are 2 different teams.
As far as the Sixers comparison, I was making a comparison on 2 teams that were similiar. One STAR and a bunch of average NBA players. I didn't think the Sixers were a great team just like I don't think the Cavs last year were a great team. However, both teams made it to the finals and showed they were not ready to be there.
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You guys seem to forget that Ray Allen has been a non-factor as well. The teams 3rd leading scorer averaged only 10 points a game and many of those were free throws or lay-ups. If Ray would have played the way he is capable, Cleveland would have been blown-out in this series, and the same goes for Pierce with the exception of this game.
Coulda woulda shoulda. If Lebron would've played the way he was capable the Cavs would've won the series in 6 games.
I was responding to someone saying that the Cavs would have won the series if anyone would have stepped up and helped him. I was pointing out that it goes both ways. You basically said the same thing I did, just for a different team so I'm not sure what your point is.
You're right. I'm saying the exact same thing as you, and that is my point. You can't sit there and say "well, if this had happen the outcome would've been totally different". Why not? Because it didn't happen.
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I think it was a fluke because I don't think the Cavs are as good as most people on here think they are. It's my opinion - that's my reasoning. Besides, half the team is different from last year. The Cavs and Celtics going into the playoffs THIS year were all learning to play together as a team. That's why I didn't agree with what some people were saying that the Cavs had the playoff experience as a team in their favor. The 06-07 Cavs and the 07-08 Cavs are 2 different teams.
And everything you said applies to the 07-08 Celtics as well.
So again, I'll just say that I'll enjoy watching the Pistons wipe the floor with the Celtics.
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I think it was a fluke because I don't think the Cavs are as good as most people on here think they are. It's my opinion - that's my reasoning. Besides, half the team is different from last year. The Cavs and Celtics going into the playoffs THIS year were all learning to play together as a team. That's why I didn't agree with what some people were saying that the Cavs had the playoff experience as a team in their favor. The 06-07 Cavs and the 07-08 Cavs are 2 different teams.
As far as the Sixers comparison, I was making a comparison on 2 teams that were similiar. One STAR and a bunch of average NBA players. I didn't think the Sixers were a great team just like I don't think the Cavs last year were a great team. However, both teams made it to the finals and showed they were not ready to be there.
being a different team this year, and calling last year a fluke are 2 differnt things
yes, this is a different team, and it was probably difficult learning to play with each other down the stretch and into the playoffs
but last year was no fluke, that team was flat out better than detroit...
they won 4 straight.
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We just couldn't get it done.
Too many out of control plays and bricked shots.
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I didn't say that "if something had happened then Boston would have swept the Cavs or won in 5 or 6" or anything like that. I was making a point that it goes for both teams. You make it seem like you are trying to attack me for saying the same thing as you. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way your responses have came off to me.
It does apply for this years Celtics, but IMO, the Celtics are a much more talented team, and why I think they can be put into the great category. Boston knows who there top 3 options are, the Cavs know only their top option, maybe top 2 options when Z is playing well.
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We just couldn't get it done.
It just seems like we say that everytime a Cleveland team loses a big game. And I just can't get that Ben Wallace deflection of a pass intended for KG in the low post that went to Pierce for a 3 out of my head..Man that's just our luck in big games, the curse is no joke, it's for real. 
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In all honesty, I don't really care that much, but i know some of you do, so I feel bad in that respect.
Now I don't have to watch the NBA until next year's playoffs.....if we get there.
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We just couldn't get it done.
It just seems like we say that everytime a Cleveland team loses a big game. And I just can't get that Ben Wallace deflection of a pass intended for KG in the low post that went to Pierce for a 3 out of my head..Man that's just our luck in big games, the curse is no joke, it's for real.
it's amazing how many bad bounces we got in that game... the play you just mentioned, pierce had that free throw bounce at the end of the game, and earlier, hit a 3 that got a generous bounce
what can you really say to that?
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what can you really say to that?
It just wasn't meant to be this year. We'll get 'em next year 
I'll get my head back up...tomorrow morning 
Edit: Crongrats btw Celts fans, I sound like I'm bitter tonight.. Well ok I am, just a bit. But good luck in the next round.
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They did outplay the Pistons in that series, I admit that, but they did have the easiest road to the finals in the playoff last year IMO. I just don't think that they were a good enough team to be in the finals and I think San Antonio showed that last year.
I only think it was a fluke because I don't think the Cavs had the talent of a legit championship contender. It's JMHO. I watch the Cavs almost as much as the Celtics, and root for the Cavs against anyone except the Celtics - although it's mostly only because they are on my local TV and because I wish for Cleveland teams to do well (Cavs, Indians) because I root for THE team in Cleveland, the Browns - but I just didn't see anything spectacular from the Cavs that year that made me think they were legit contenders.
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They did outplay the Pistons in that series, I admit that, but they did have the easiest road to the finals in the playoff last year IMO. I just don't think that they were a good enough team to be in the finals and I think San Antonio showed that last year.
I only think it was a fluke because I don't think the Cavs had the talent of a legit championship contender. It's JMHO. I watch the Cavs almost as much as the Celtics, and root for the Cavs against anyone except the Celtics - although it's mostly only because they are on my local TV and because I wish for Cleveland teams to do well (Cavs, Indians) because I root for THE team in Cleveland, the Browns - but I just didn't see anything spectacular from the Cavs that year that made me think they were legit contenders.
there is no doubt that san antonio was clearly the better team
however, you can say the same thing about san antonio and some of the teams they played on their way to the finals
i mean utah is a good team, but they aren't really that great, and i believe they won 1 game against the spurs last year, denver got swept...
phoenix, although people will point to the stoudemire diaw suspensions, has always gotten vastly outplayed by san antonio...
san antonio was the best team in basketball last year, by far...
but that doesn't take away from the fact that the cavs were the best team in the east last year, and proved it.
it was no fluke, and bringing up the whole "easy road" thing holds no water, they beat the best team in the conference last year...
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Not going to rehash everything, but a few thing stuck out as to why we lost:
a) Poor basketball IQ at key times. A play that stood out to me is when midway through the 3rd, LB makes two straight jumpers, the latter being a 3. We get the lead down to 3 and then we get a stop and get the ball back. Instead of getting a good shot, Delonte, tries to go 1 on 4 in trasition and loses the ball outta bounds. To me, that is just not smart basketball...
b) inability to make the celts pay. I remember DJ getting that WIDE OPEN look from 3 early in the 4th. If he makes that, the lead is cut to 1. Obviously Delonte had the open look to tie. Another time was when we caught the celts off guard on the inbounds and Sasha couln't finish on the reverse layup. Those examples right their just kinda summarize the story for me....
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Not going to rehash everything, but a few thing stuck out as to why we lost:
a) Poor basketball IQ at key times. A play that stood out to me is when midway through the 3rd, LB makes two straight jumpers, the latter being a 3. We get the lead down to 3 and then we get a stop and get the ball back. Instead of getting a good shot, Delonte, tries to go 1 on 4 in trasition and loses the ball outta bounds. To me, that is just not smart basketball...
b) inability to make the celts pay. I remember DJ getting that WIDE OPEN look from 3 early in the 4th. If he makes that, the lead is cut to 1. Obviously Delonte had the open look to tie. Another time was when we caught the celts off guard on the inbounds and Sasha couln't finish on the reverse layup. Those examples right their just kinda summarize the story for me....
i couldn't agree more... i know exactly what play you are talking about with west, kicked it right off his foot... not a smart play... there was nothing there as far as getting an easy layup, plus he had lebron trailing...
dj looked gun-shy at times (i can't believe that statement)
but you also can't blame him, he's had almost no minutes at all...
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Yeah they did, but then again the Conference only had 2 decent teams last year - Pistons and Cavs. The other teams in the playoffs in the East (Nets, Raptors, Bulls, Wizards, Magic, Heat) were not very good. The Nets had 3 good players, none of which can lead a team through the playoffs. The Raptors had one good player in Bosh. The Bulls had no defense. The Wizards aren't very good and didn't have Arenas which made them even worse. The Magic weren't good yet, although they were a decent team this year and are up and coming. The Heat had good talent but were nowhere near the team that won the championship the year before - or maybe it was the year before that, don't remember for sure.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I just didn't see it from them. I didn't see it in their play all year that year and looking at the roster from that year, I just don't see a championship caliber team. JMHO.
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Yeah they did, but then again the Conference only had 2 decent teams last year - Pistons and Cavs. The other teams in the playoffs in the East (Nets, Raptors, Bulls, Wizards, Magic, Heat) were not very good. The Nets had 3 good players, none of which can lead a team through the playoffs. The Raptors had one good player in Bosh. The Bulls had no defense. The Wizards aren't very good and didn't have Arenas which made them even worse. The Magic weren't good yet, although they were a decent team this year and are up and coming. The Heat had good talent but were nowhere near the team that won the championship the year before - or maybe it was the year before that, don't remember for sure.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I just didn't see it from them. I didn't see it in their play all year that year and looking at the roster from that year, I just don't see a championship caliber team. JMHO.
your missing the point.
san antonio beat denver, utah, and phoenix to get to the finals
and phoenix is the only team even remotely close to being championship caliber
so if you look at it like that, they didn't exactly have a brutal road to the finals
they lost 3 games in the entire playoffs.
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Dude, your team won. Why do you feel the need to keep rubbing things in our face? The fact is that we did win the Eastern Conference last year. Let it go.
Congrats to Boston. You guys played hard and won a hard-fought series.
I'm frustrated, but I fairly proud of the Cavs. They didn't back down and fought until the end.
I have a few problems w/the game:
---Damon Jones should have never seen the floor. I can't stand that guy. All talk--no walk.
---Andy gets ripped a lot, but I think he should have played more down the stretch. He defends very well and gets a ton of loose balls. We needed his energy.
---We missed Gibson. His outside shooting.......hell, just the threat of it......would have helped and probably put us over the top.
---The off-ball calls were ridiculous and were a factor in the outcome.
---Wally makes me sick. Jesus. He gets outhustled by House because he didn't want the contact. And he didn't even look to score, never mind hit anything. Send him packing.
Some things I liked:
---LeBron further cemented the fact that he is a great player. And I believe the best player in the NBA. No player does MORE for his team than LeBron.
---West made some mistakes, but he grew a lot in this series. I like his toughness. He doesn't back down from physicality and he is willing to take big shots. He also used Rambo.
---Joe Smith is a good player. I didn't realize how good he is. Keep him.
---I say keep all four bigs. They give teams a lot of problems. Especially in the playoffs.
---I liked the fact that LBJ walked to the locker room w/out meeting w/the Celts. He was mad and frustrated. Good! I hate when guys are over a loss as soon as it is over. He will be even hungrier next year.
There is something I am wondering about:
---I hope LBJ isn't getting frustrated w/the team and will escape to NY as soon as he can?????????? We gotta get him more help immediately!
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Dude, your team won. Why do you feel the need to keep rubbing things in our face? The fact is that we did win the Eastern Conference last year. Let it go.
Congrats to Boston. You guys played hard and won a hard-fought series.
I'm frustrated, but I fairly proud of the Cavs. They didn't back down and fought until the end.
I have a few problems w/the game:
---Damon Jones should have never seen the floor. I can't stand that guy. All talk--no walk.
---Andy gets ripped a lot, but I think he should have played more down the stretch. He defends very well and gets a ton of loose balls. We needed his energy.
---We missed Gibson. His outside shooting.......hell, just the threat of it......would have helped and probably put us over the top.
---The off-ball calls were ridiculous and were a factor in the outcome.
---Wally makes me sick. Jesus. He gets outhustled by House because he didn't want the contact. And he didn't even look to score, never mind hit anything. Send him packing.
Some things I liked:
---LeBron further cemented the fact that he is a great player. And I believe the best player in the NBA. No player does MORE for his team than LeBron.
---West made some mistakes, but he grew a lot in this series. I like his toughness. He doesn't back down from physicality and he is willing to take big shots. He also used Rambo.
---Joe Smith is a good player. I didn't realize how good he is. Keep him.
---I say keep all four bigs. They give teams a lot of problems. Especially in the playoffs.
---I liked the fact that LBJ walked to the locker room w/out meeting w/the Celts. He was mad and frustrated. Good! I hate when guys are over a loss as soon as it is over. He will be even hungrier next year.
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---I hope LBJ isn't getting frustrated w/the team and will escape to NY as soon as he can?????????? We gotta get him more help immediately!
i think a fresh start next year could help wally find his place... his defense was actually decent in this series, he was able to keep ray allen in check
however, if there is a deal waiting for the cavs... for that missing piece, that 2 guard (redd, mcgrady, etc) wally will be part of that deal, he makes 12 million, we could easily package him, and one of our other expiring deals (and/or wild thing) and get this team even better...
i don't think lebron is panicking and thinking about new york, what's in new york tot think about, the crappy knicks? the crappy nets?
mike and mike finally said what i've been saying for years...
lebron isn't leaving because of the market size...
he wants championships, and right now, new york just ain't that option...
i doubt he wants to do an entire rebuilding effort again, either...
he has to be thrilled with this organization, and how they are pushing year in and year out to get better...
and with 32m in expiring deals, they are only going to get better...
we're one player away from being elite.
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I was under the impression that LeBron had a couple of more years on his contract. Is that wrong? Things could change dramatically in NY by then. I don't want to make a big deal about this and I don't want it to be the topic of conversation. What I am saying is that I think we gotta add quality players quick.
I think it would be great to get a legit two guard in here, but I do not want to see Andy go. I don't think most people realize how valuable he is to this team.
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I was under the impression that LeBron had a couple of more years on his contract. Is that wrong? Things could change dramatically in NY by then. I don't want to make a big deal about this and I don't want it to be the topic of conversation. What I am saying is that I think we gotta add quality players quick.
I think it would be great to get a legit two guard in here, but I do not want to see Andy go. I don't think most people realize how valuable he is to this team.
we may not have a choice, remember, andy and his agent almost made it clear that he was going to play out this deal and go elsewhere... i'm not sure if things have changed, but we could lose him to FA... the cavs know better than all of us, and they will deal him if they think he's gone anyways, he'd be a good piece for a package deal...
lebron has 2 years left on his deal, so things could change (i honestly think the knicks are set back the point of where they won't contend until 3 or 4 years down the line...
the nets are going to try and clear cap space... and they will make a run at it, but i hate that people assume he's just going to go there, simply because jay z is a minority owner in the team
that'd be like someone going to the cavs because they are good friends with usher.
i think the cavs are in great position to keep him around, the structure of the team is great, they have a coach who knows how to win in the post-season, young talent, and an owner that seems he'll do whatever he can, including paying a luxury tax, to win games, pile that on top of the fact that the cavs will be able to make lebron james the highest paid basketball player in the history of the league, and us cleveland fans have great hope...
the nba is designed for just that.
everyone talks about how he can do commercials in big cities and get bigger money, but he's already on tv in every major city... what he'd make in local advertisements can't match what he gets from nike, coke (powerade, vitamin water, sprite, etc) and all of his other commercials...
like i've said a million times, he's proven to the people of cleveland, as well as the rest of the nba, that it is not about market size with him, after-all, he signed the extension, and he went shorter, so the cavs could give him the exclusive 6yr, 150 million dollar deal, something his people actually found out on their own, because when he becomes a free agent, he'll have played 7 years, and there is a stipulation that says if they have played 7 years, they are eligible for the deal, it's what's in the cba...
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I wasn't rubbing anything in your guys faces, I was just responding to things that were said that I disagree on. I actual said good things about the Cavs. The only bad things about the Cavs I said was about last years team, which I think people severely overrate, but that's JMHO.
As far as San Antonios road to the finals last year, The teams they played were/are considerably better than the Wizards and Nets and were not that much worse than Detroit.
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So who are the top free agents that will be available after this season? Michael Redd is a free agent again?
after this season, it doesn't matter, we have no cap space, plus we will have to sign boobie, and west, both of which will happen, boobie is restricted, and we have west's bird rights...
gilbert arenas and baron davis could both opt out this year...
elton brand will be a free agent after next season...
the thing with michael redd is, he wants out of milwaukee.. i've heard that from a bunch of different places...
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So basically, unless we can pull off some blockbuster trade, we're stuck with the same team next year?
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---Damon Jones should have never seen the floor. I can't stand that guy. All talk--no walk.
I was actually going the opposite way. Damon could have really helped replace what we miss from Gibson offensively. We needed to spread the floor more down the stretch and Pavlovic didn't do that well in that role. He hit a three or two down the stretch, but Damon could have helped. Plus, its not like it would take great defense to stay in front of Ray Allen/Eddie House. They're fine players, but Damon can stick with them because they are the same type of players that he is.
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---Andy gets ripped a lot, but I think he should have played more down the stretch. He defends very well and gets a ton of loose balls. We needed his energy.
I think he was injured in all honesty. He was on the bike early in the second half and really didn't come back in after that. With the work that he did on KG, I have to think that he would be on the floor if he were able to be out.
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I said when this trade was made that Delonte West would be the steal of the deal. I love the way he plays. I actually wish he were a little more forceful in bringing the ball up, rather than defering so much. The Cavs have his Bird Rights this offseason and will likely need him, considering Gibson is also a FA. I love playing those two in the same backcourt, I really do.
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no, not at all.
we won't be able to sign anyone this offseason, other than our free agents, but, we have pieces that people want, expiring deals
similiar to how the lakers traded for gasol...
on paper, gasol for kwame brown, and javaris crittenton (sp?) that looks horrible and one-sided
but kwame brown makes a crapload of money, and this season is a free agent, so they just cleared a ton of cap space, they have a young team, so it's not surprising... they want to build around rudy gay, and mike conley...
because kwame brown was in the last year of his deal, it made him valuable to other teams... normally, nobody would want him, considering he's one of the biggest busts in the history of the league
we have 32m in expiring deals, eric snow, damon jones, joe smith, wally z...
anderson varejao will also be in the last year of his deal
so there is a chance, that if someone wants out of their situation, the cavs can jump on it...
but as far as the season opener goes, what we have is what we're going with...
just keep your eye on the teams that struggle before the deadline...
michael redd has been reported to be very unhappy in milwaukee, and supposedly his teammates don't like playing with him...
we don't need a superstar, we just need someone who can play the 2 and beat you off the dribble...
don't forget the draft too, pretty deep this year, i think we should go bpa and take the best guy... don't draft for position... you don't want to pass up a good PF because you want a shooting guard... or vice versa...
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Just so people know, the Cavs FAs are:
Boobie - RFA
Dwayne Jones - RFA
Delonte West - RFA
Devin Brown - UFA
Lance Allred - Limited Salary Protection
Billy Thomas - Limited Salary Protection
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You might want to do a double-check on Gibson. He didn't get the typical 2-year deal, plus team option. Instead, the Cavs gave him a strict two year deal as a second round pick (as an under-the-table agreement to not work out with other teams). I do believe, if my CBA knowledge is up to date, that it restricts the Cavs Bird rights on Gibson.
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I was just going off what my link from before said. I don't follow the Cavs enough to know for sure, but according to ESPN he's a RFA. Take it for what it's worth, which may not be much because it's ESPN. They've been know to get things wrong before.
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also, if there isn't a great player that the cavs can get with those expiring deals, they can always hold onto those guys, and then have all kinds of money to play with in the offseason... (and possibly even keep some of these guys at a cheaper value, like a joe smith)
elton brand, jermaine o'neal, shawn marion, gilbert arenas if he doesn't opt out
carlos boozer... lolz
not a deep class, but there are 2 power forwards i would LOVE to have...
i could really see us making a run at redd though, milwaukee would probably like to clear cap space, they have a lot of young players, and will need the money to keep them...
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With hindsight being 20/20 do you think this big trade we did helped us?
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IMO, I think it helped you guys.
The Cavs have expiring contracts which are very valuable in the NBA, and if the Cavs don't make a trade they have around $30 Million or more to spend in FA to help LeBron who would be a Free Agent the next season IIRC. Also, Joe Smith is definitely a great player off the bench for the Cavs and Delonte West could potentially be a good PG for the Cavs, but he'd probably be better suited coming off the bench.
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don't forget the draft too, pretty deep this year, i think we should go bpa and take the best guy... don't draft for position... you don't want to pass up a good PF because you want a shooting guard... or vice versa...
I think West put to bed our need for a PG right away, so hopefully we won't reach on an undersized player. He played very well through the playoffs and will continue to improve.
As for the draft, I would love to see any of these guys:
Donte Greene, Syracuse
Russell Westbrook, UCLA
Wayne Ellington, North Carolina
Davon Jefferson, USC
Chris Douglas-Roberts, Memphis
Bill Walker, Kansas State
Courtney Lee, Western Kentucky
Lester Hudson, Tennessee-Martin
I would be ecstatic for the Cavs to get one of those guys on that list.
I really like Courtney Lee out of WKU. He's more of a fringe #1 right now but I think after workouts he's going to jump up draft boards. He's a real versatile 2 guard who can score and rebound. Actually caught my eye as he was lighting up Michigan earlier this season.  He's a polished 4 year player that IMO can start from day one. He may not be a super star one day but that's not what we need. I'm tired of drafting guys on potential who never pan out. Lee is a safe pick that can be a reliable scorer and decision maker. Would be dangerous as a #2 in the NBA, especially with all the open looks he would get with LeBron. Think Larry Hughes without the broke jumpshot and attitude.  Hopefully Ferry is reading this. 
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There are two players that I would love to see the Cavs take.
Mike Miller and Elton Brand. Both are very good and fit our system...well, kinda. Miller will need to learn how to play better defense, but other than that, these two, IMHO, would put us over the top.
Just think...
Boobie or West
Miller
LeBron
Brand
Z
I'd take that in a second.
you had a good run Hank.
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Gotta agree. West looked solid in the series, and played aggressive today. Smith is a solid player and supporting guy. Both of these guys need to stick.
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don't forget the draft too, pretty deep this year, i think we should go bpa and take the best guy... don't draft for position... you don't want to pass up a good PF because you want a shooting guard... or vice versa...
I think West put to bed our need for a PG right away, so hopefully we won't reach on an undersized player. He played very well through the playoffs and will continue to improve.
As for the draft, I would love to see any of these guys:
Donte Greene, Syracuse
Russell Westbrook, UCLA
Wayne Ellington, North Carolina
Davon Jefferson, USC
Chris Douglas-Roberts, Memphis
Bill Walker, Kansas State
Courtney Lee, Western Kentucky
Lester Hudson, Tennessee-Martin
I would be ecstatic for the Cavs to get one of those guys on that list.
I really like Courtney Lee out of WKU. He's more of a fringe #1 right now but I think after workouts he's going to jump up draft boards. He's a real versatile 2 guard who can score and rebound. Actually caught my eye as he was lighting up Michigan earlier this season. He's a polished 4 year player that IMO can start from day one. He may not be a super star one day but that's not what we need. I'm tired of drafting guys on potential who never pan out. Lee is a safe pick that can be a reliable scorer and decision maker. Would be dangerous as a #2 in the NBA, especially with all the open looks he would get with LeBron. Think Larry Hughes without the broke jumpshot and attitude. Hopefully Ferry is reading this.
Good stuff, Nas. I like Courtney Lee also..
I agree with you guys on the BPA thing, that is the way we need to go...
What's great about Lee is that he is a 4 year guy, like you mentioned, he would probably get minutes early on with all that experience.
We are not going to get him, but Kevin Love is the guy I wish we could have. I think he would be a PERFECT fit for both playing with LB and fitting into MB's system right off the bat...
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Boy, a little Boobie could have gone a long way yesterday. The Cavs are what they are, an above average team that is +/- a conference semi-finals team every year with LeBron. Then they have some solid role players.. until they get a legitimate second scoring option, that is all they will ever be. It's not enough to have West throw in 20 one night and Gibson one night and Z one night.. that's ok for a 3rd scorer but not as a second option.
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I bet.
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