Quote: They have to pay a royalty to use the sample and permission from the original artist. I'm sure the original artist(s) don't mind that much or we wouldn't be hearing it.
Like I said, they used samples a lot in early rap, but nowadays you don't really hear any. So you really can't keep using that excuse.
Not using anything as an excuse for their lack of talent.
I would have thought their name was "The 5th graders" since, from the looks of it thats the last grade those bums attended, but I don't want to offend 5 graders. Six men straight out of the pen, is much more suitable.
Quote: They have to pay a royalty to use the sample and permission from the original artist. I'm sure the original artist(s) don't mind that much or we wouldn't be hearing it.
Like I said, they used samples a lot in early rap, but nowadays you don't really hear any. So you really can't keep using that excuse.
Not using anything as an excuse for their lack of talent.
You don't like hip hop, that's fine. I don't like country music or heavy metal. But I'm not going to make a big deal about it. There's plenty of talent in hip hop. You don't listen to it, so you won't recognize it. You just stereotype, which is from your own ignorance. I can care less if you don't like the music. I listen to a lot of stuff from classic rock to pop to hip hop. It's my own personal tastes. I don't like all hip hop. Some of it is garbage and very non-original. Just like in any music, there's some artists who sound the same, lack originality or just do nothing for me. But there's others in the same genre who stand apart from the rest.
You don't have to like hip hop. But your tired excuses are nothing but ignorance. You really shouldn't speak on subjects you know nothing about. I don't know much about the Navy, so it'd be dumb to get into a discussion about it with you. Get the point?
Quote: You don't have to like hip hop. But your tired excuses are nothing but ignorance.
Like I have already said, I am not making any excuses. They suck all by themselves without any help from me.
Quote: You really shouldn't speak on subjects you know nothing about. I don't know much about the Navy, so it'd be dumb to get into a discussion about it with you. Get the point?
Wrong, I know about rap and have little choice but to listen to it. Just leave your house at anytime and some thug is blarring that crap as loud as he can with that ridiculous bass (I so hope they blow out their friggin eardrums). So yes, I hear it and it is lacking talent plain and simple.
Quote: I would have thought their name was "The 5th graders" since, from the looks of it thats the last grade those bums attended, but I don't want to offend 5 graders. Six men straight out of the pen, is much more suitable.
Do you know anything about the Roots or are you just making bigoted assumptions?? The Roots Wikpedia Page
The Roots' original lineup included Tariq "Black Thought" Trotter (MC) and Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson (drums), who were classmates at the Philadelphia High School for Creative and Performing Arts. As they began to play at school and on the streets, they added a bassist named Josh "The Rubberband" Abrams, who went on to form the jazz group The Josh Abrams Quartet. They later added another MC named Malik Abdul Basit-Smart ("Malik B."), a new bassist Leonard Nelson Hubbard ("Hub"), and a keyboardist named Scott Storch, who eventually became one of the most prominent rap producers in the industry. Another MC, Kenyatta "Kid Crumbs" Warren, was a part of the group for their first album, Organix, but did not appear on any later albums. Yet another MC, Dice Raw, joined on for cameos in later albums. Scott Storch also left to pursue a producing career following the Do You Want More?!!!??! album. The split, however, was on amicable terms: Storch continues to produce tracks for Roots albums to this day. The Roots filled his void with another keyboardist, Kamal Gray, who is still a member.
The Roots performingA beatboxer named Rahzel also joined the group and contributed from 1995 - 1999. Alongside Rahzel was vocal turntablist Scratch, who DJ'd for them during live concerts. He abruptly left in 2003. Malik B. left the group in 1999 due to drug problems but continued to record, making occasional cameos on future albums. A guitarist, Ben Kenney, had a short stint with the group and contributed to their Phrenology album, but left to join Incubus as their bassist. A percussionist, F Knuckles, was added in 2002 and guitarist, Kirk Douglas (a.k.a. "Captain Kirk"), replaced Kenney. A vocalist, Martin Luther, toured with The Roots in 2003 and 2004 and contributed to their Tipping Point album. The group announced in August 2007, to the dismay of fans, that longtime bassist, Leonard Hubbard, was leaving the group. "One of our partners is leaving us tonight, ladies and gentlemen, Leonard Hubbard" (Black Thought @ moe.down 8/31/07). The current members of The Roots are Black Thought (MC), ?uestlove (drums), Kamal (keyboard), F Knuckles (percussion), and Captain Kirk (guitar). Recently, they have toured with sousaphonist Damon "Tuba Gooding Jr." Bryson and Game Theory producer and current bassist Owen Biddle.
All members have worked with PETA to promote compassion for animals and the vegetarian lifestyle.[3]
[edit] Chronologically Numbered Tracks The Roots albums starting from Organix have consistently to their most recent album released, Rising Down, featured the track listings on the back of their CDs and LPs in a continuous order. [4]
Organix the Roots debut album lists tracks 1-17 followed by Do You Want More?!!!??! listing tracks 18-33 and the Roots third album, Illadelph Halflife, lists tracks 34-53.
The Roots fourth album Things Fall Apart lists trcks 54-70 and was the first to contain a hidden track. This hidden track is number 71, Act Fore...The End. Thus the tracks listed on the outside of Things Fall Apart number to 70, with track 71 being alluded to underneath the disc hub. This track is located at approximately 7:10 into track 70 Return to Innocence Lost.
A five track EP entitled The Legendary contains numbered tracks 72-76. It contains no hidden track.
The complete tracks 77-86 can only be found on the Roots Limited Edition 2 disc pressing of their first live album to date entitled The Roots Come Alive. Disc 2 is no longer in print and contains tracks 81-86. Track 80 is a hidden track and appears on Disc 1 after You Got Me(lasting approximately until 8:50) and Encore (8:51-13:48) track 80 appears at approximately 14:24, it completes Disc 1.
The Roots 2002 album, Phrenology, lists tracks 87-100. It contains two hidden tracks. 101. Rhymes and Ammo which appears after 2 :20 soundless tracks are played. The disc then counts backwards with 101 beginning at -7:19. Track 102, Thirsty, appears at -2:46. Thirsty is the last track on Phrenology.
The Tipping Point lists tracks 103-112. Tracks 113 is a hidden track fading in at approximately 4:38.
Game Theory contains tracks 114-127. Track 127 Bread and Butter is only available on iTunes and the Japanese CD edition.
Rising Down was released on April 29, 2008 containing tracks 128-141. Track 142 is a hidden track. The Pow Wow 2.
Notes:
The two volumes of Homegrown! count from a negative number and reach 0. A CD entitled The Roots Best of Mixtape mixed by DJ J. Period does not follow the chronologically numbered tracks and is numbered 1-50. This album was a promotional mixtape put out to promote Game Theory in 2006.
Tracks that appear in the live performance on The Roots Come Alive that were from previous albums retain their original numbers. The earliest being track 10. Essaywhuman?!! (Originally on Organix, performed live) and most recent a live performance of Things Fall Apart's "You Don't See Us", number 69.
[edit] Touring and Other Work The band tours extensively, and their live sets are frequently hailed as the best in the genre. Recently, the band played a concert in NYC's Radio City Music Hall with Common, Nas, Talib Kweli and Big Daddy Kane. They also backed Jay-Z a third time, for his Reasonable Doubt Concert, a celebration of the 10-year anniversary of the release of his first album.
The Roots have been featured in four movies: Dave Chappelle's Block Party; both performing album songs and playing as a backing band for other artists, Spike Lee's Bamboozled, and Marc Levin's Brooklyn Babylon, in which Black Thought plays the protagonist, Solomon, and former band member Rahzel narrates, and Chasing Liberty; starring Mandy Moore. Black Thought and ?uestlove were both featured in the movie "Brown Sugar," Black Thought also made an appearance in the film "Love Rome" as Tariq Trotter, and ?uestlove currently appears in the 2008 documentary movie about TBC Brass Band called From the Mouthpiece on Back, which lists The Roots as one of the executive producers of the movie.
The band guest performed on August 25 and August 26 with the Dave Matthews Band during their 2007 summer tour. Members of The Roots played in various forms as well as a whole band on DMB's back to back concerts at Alpine Valley Music Theatre in East Troy, Wisconsin.
The group made an appearance on The Colbert Report on April 15, 2008 when Stephen Colbert spent a week in Philadelphia prior to the 2008 Pennsylvania Democratic primary. During the appearance, they performed the intro song to the show, and closed the episode with a rendition of the Star Spangled Banner.
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Quote: Wrong, I know about rap and have little choice but to listen to it. Just leave your house at anytime and some thug is blarring that crap as loud as he can with that ridiculous bass (I so hope they blow out their friggin eardrums). So yes, I hear it and it is lacking talent plain and simple.
LOL. Nothing like sitting at a stop light with some wanna be thug next to you blaring a 3000 dollar stereo system in a 300 dollar vehicle, though they think there cool, but in reality, look dumb as hell.
Wikipedia isn't a credible source since any knucklehead can post information on that site. As for The Roots, who the hell cares, so don't expect me to read someone else's opinion on them, if I cared I would have researched them myself.
Quote: Wrong, I know about rap and have little choice but to listen to it. Just leave your house at anytime and some thug is blarring that crap as loud as he can with that ridiculous bass (I so hope they blow out their friggin eardrums). So yes, I hear it and it is lacking talent plain and simple.
LOL. Nothing like sitting at a stop light with some wanna be thug next to you blaring a 3000 dollar stereo system in a 300 dollar vehicle, though they think there cool, but in reality, look dumb as hell.
So are we talking about rap music or some dumbasses that play their music too loud??
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
All. Though most of the blaring crap I hear is rap, and really who wants to hear some idiot say censored words 300 times in a rhyming fashion that loud, hell for that matter, anytime.
Quote: It's older people who know nothing about it, don't care to, so use stereotypical responses to support their POV.
Knowing hip hop from hearing a car blaring it down the street is hardly equal to having knowledge about it....
Some people it is impossible to have a discussion with so it is really pointless to try. You know something about it and like it so just leave it at that, who cares what anyone else thinks??
I dont care for most rap music, because I dont think most can even be considered music. The Roots are a exception to that most and I can open my mind to take a look at something else besides what I know. If more rap was like The Roots I would listen more.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Well since I am not writing a college paper ,for discussion board purposes it is as credible as anything you have had to say. The person who wrote that had some knwoledge of The Roots before spouting off about them with their bigoted assumptions.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Quote: All. Though most of the blaring crap I hear is rap, and really who wants to hear some idiot say censored words 300 times in a rhyming fashion that loud, hell for that matter, anytime.
You know the guy with twelves in the trunk that pulls up next to you at a red light and turns up the bass so it rattles your car windows? That's me.
I was being a bigot as another poster called it, as for stereotyping, you do understand that rap was around during my teens and thought it was junk then, just as I do now. I was around when rap started and thought it was dumb, and they proved their point with all the violence that goes with it. Sorry but the age concept doesn't fly and is a weak excuse. Fact is most rap is violent, explicit and if I was a parent wouldn't want my children to listen to such nonsense. They portray a sad lifestyle unsuitable for kids, and glamorize a thug nature. Hey I guess if you think thats cool, then thats on you, but overall rap is nothing more then a tarnish on todays society.
Quote: They portray a sad lifestyle unsuitable for kids, and glamorize a thug nature. Hey I guess if you think thats cool, then thats on you, but overall rap is nothing more then a tarnish on todays society.
I've heard people say this about the Rolling Stones.
I listened to rap growing up. Do you think I'm a thug? Do you think it has had any negative influence on me? You obviously can't answer the question since you don't know me, so I'll answer for you. NO. Just like after watching American History X I didn't go out and stomp on some guy's face.
I have no problem with people not liking certain music. I don't like everything, but my tastes are spread out. Rap/Hip Hop is just one of them. Some of the comments still haven't been backed up. Like this one by Navy:
Quote: Wrong, I know about rap and have little choice but to listen to it. Just leave your house at anytime and some thug is blarring that crap as loud as he can with that ridiculous bass (I so hope they blow out their friggin eardrums). So yes, I hear it and it is lacking talent plain and simple.
Just say you don't prefer that music, and leave it at that, instead of making foolish comments like "I hear it and it is lacking talent plain and simple."
I can sit here and fill up this whole thread on this, but I'll give you one example. And it's a simple one that disproves what he says.
The Beastie Boys.
No talent?
The Beasties are best known for their old school style of rap infused with rock. But they have put out straight hip hop songs, songs that are all rock/alternative, even some jazz-infused instrumental stuff. They've changed up so many times in the 20+ years they've been around.
They've put out separate albums that would be classified into different genres. They're creative. They're innovative. They're talented. And they're hip hop artists.
So please cut the talentless crap.
Just say you don't like the music, and leave it at that. Everybody has their own thing.
Ok I hate rap and everything it stands for. I have no problem with people who want to hear it, but don't tell me that it's all good, and just misunderstood, talk to the mainstream music moguls who have portrayed it as being a thug mentality lifestyle and have glorified it. See that only adds on to the dislike I have for this brand of so called music which I can't even call it music. I admit I hate rap, so what. Many people hate what I listen too, but I don't get all bent out of shape over it.
I don't listen to all rap music. I said it before. Some of it I have no interest in whatsoever.
Some of it is that straight up gangster mentality. I'm not denying that. But saying that about all of it is just wrong, as well as saying all of rap or hip hop is "talentless." That's where I'm going to keep arguing with you.
I enjoy arguing. People should know that by now around here.
We could be talking about something completely different (see some of the Pure Football threads) and I'd still be defending my views.
The same was said about Elvis since early in his career his hip movements were unacceptable. My point is that rap has crossed a line, and when selling drugs, acting like a punk and glamorizing the thug mentality is what gets the majority of radio play is a major turnoff, plus I don't see it as a true form of music. Expression, yes, music no.
I never said all, I have always said the majority. Please don't mix my words.
Oh and for those who didn't realize, my comments about The Roots was made in jest, so please don't label me a bigot when you have no clue about me or my bloodline. Thanks.
Sorry, I almost edited my post to change the word "you," but didn't. Guess I should have. It was a general statement. Navy was the one pretty much saying all of rap music is talentless.
Quote: Sorry, I almost edited my post to change the word "you," but didn't. Guess I should have. It was a general statement. Navy was the one pretty much saying all of rap music is talentless.
Now that I don't and won't deny.
Rap noise is talentless.
Just so there is no confusion, USNavyDawg (Ret.) said it.
Quote: I never said all, I have always said the majority. Please don't mix my words.
Oh and for those who didn't realize, my comments about The Roots was made in jest, so please don't label me a bigot when you have no clue about me or my bloodline. Thanks.
Well in all fairness Fletch it was me that used the word bigot, not DP17. He just called you a old stick in the mud
I will say though that I did not say you are a bigot but your assumptions about The Roots was bigoted. Whether it was a bigoted assmption about all rappers or all black people in general I dont know, and dont really care. I will give The Roots credit for being true musicians and pretty good at that. They are acutally highly trianed jazz musicians who have come up with a very nice mix of jazz,funk, hip-hop.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Quote: I will say though that I did not say you are a bigot but your assumptions about The Roots was bigoted
How can you say that? No information or history was given about The Roots prior to my comments so you assume I had an idea. You labeled me for no reason and you assumed something that wasn't present. Again don't label me unless you know me and my bloodline, your just belittling yourself in the long run. You screwed up and thats fine, get over it, since I am.
Quote: I will say though that I did not say you are a bigot but your assumptions about The Roots was bigoted
How can you say that? No information or history was given about The Roots prior to my comments so you assume I had an idea. You labeled me for no reason and you assumed something that wasn't present. Again don't label me unless you know me and my bloodline, your just belittling yourself in the long run. You screwed up and thats fine, get over it, since I am.
No I explained this to you once and you didnt get it, so I will try once more. I did not say you are a bigot, so therefore I did NOT label you.
I said your statement about the Roots was bigoted since you yourself made a assumption about them with no prior knowledge of them. That is the definition of a bigoted assumption. You assumed they were non educated,no talent having, rappers. You made a bigoted assumtion about them either because they are black, or because they are rappers.
You are right I do not know your bloodlines or background so I did not call you a bigot, I called your statements bigoted.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Quote: I will say though that I did not say you are a bigot but your assumptions about The Roots was bigoted
How can you say that? No information or history was given about The Roots prior to my comments so you assume I had an idea. You labeled me for no reason and you assumed something that wasn't present. Again don't label me unless you know me and my bloodline, your just belittling yourself in the long run. You screwed up and thats fine, get over it, since I am.
You labeled The Roots without an idea, so why should you be any different?
"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good" Thomas Paine
Quote: Rap sucks....what ever happen to good black vocalists??
Gladis Knight, Sam Cook, Dianna Ross....
Black artists have become meaningless.
Thats not true, there are many very good R&B singers out there. Not all black people only listen to rap music, it seems like the very young do but there are quite a few black folks over the age of 25 who are sick of modern rap music. Are you telling me Alicia Keyes is meaningless??
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Quote: Thats old school, at least you could understand what rappers were saying back then.
I can agree with that, I don't listen to the new stuff and that pretty much goes for just about any genre now. I agree rap is the worst but everything in the mainstream seems to be aimed at attracting the teenie bopper crowd anymore.
Not sure if any of you are familiar with Sirius but I'm pretty much a hair nation, big 80s, and backspin type of guy. I just cant get into new music at all.
Quote: Rap sucks....what ever happen to good black vocalists??
Gladis Knight, Sam Cook, Dianna Ross....
Black artists have become meaningless.
I don't like country, rock, or metal...but I'm not going on and on about how it sucks, and the artists are all drug addicts. That's a pretty broad brush to paint with.
So maybe you don't like rap, that's fine for you, but to sit here and say and sucks and that say black artists are meaning less...well I won't say how that makes you sound.
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