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Link-a-doo Once again NFL commissioner Roger Goodell seems intent on breaking with the head-in-the-sand approach of his predecessor, Paul Tagliabue. For years as drunkenness and violence escalated at NFL stadiums the league's policy was, uh, good luck with that. But on Thursday Goodell announced he will be issuing a fan conduct policy that will hopefully forestall the nuclear option of banning alcohol at NFL games. After all, of the many revenue streams in pro sports, can any possibly be as lucrative as the stream of domestic beer selling for $8 a cup? "We want everyone to be able to come to our stadiums, behave properly, enjoy this experience but don't ruin it for others," said Goodell. "We will be focusing on that, including the implementation of an NFL fan conduct policy which we will have out prior to the season." If Goodell's new policy holds franchises accountable for the conduct of their fans — the way he will now hold them financially accountable for the behavior of their players — you can bet teams will crack down in a meaningful way. Here's a taste of what Goodell might consider improper behavior. Or perhaps this. For more disturbing images of what Goodell might define as ruining it for others go to YouTube and plug in "Raiders Chargers fight." McAfee Coliseum in Oakland and Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego might as well be octagons for all the impromptu mixed martial arts that break out when the Bolts and Raiders throw down. But unconscionable fan behavior is not a recent development. In 1995, when unruly Giant fans pelted the field and knocked the opposing equipment manager unconscious with ice-balls, the league might have thought it had a problem. In 1997, when over 60 fistfights broke out at Veterans Stadium in a nationally televised game, prompting Philadelphia to assign a municipal court judge to the stadium on game days in '98, the league might have thought it had a problem. In 2000, when that Raider fan stabbed a Charger fan, the league might have thought it had a problem. In 2001, when Browns fans showered the field with plastic beer bottles, the league might have thought it had a problem. In 2003, when three Charger fans beat a Jaguar fan into unconsciousness, the league might have thought it had a problem. And on and on until Goodell inherited an almost league-wide problem. But until now the NFL was loathe to admit that it had a drunken fan epidemic. So while it may be overdue, give Goodell credit for trying to improve his product by finally acknowledging one of its shortcomings. Maybe Goodell decided to take action because of the collective effect of so much anti-social behavior. Or maybe it was the Mardi Gras North that broke out at Gate D in the Meadowlands last year where kids at Jets games got to witness men screaming at women to bare their breasts (and women obliging). Or maybe it was the two shootings outside the Coliseum in Oakland before and after a Raiders-Chiefs game last fall that forced his hand. Cracking down on player misconduct has been a hallmark of the commissioner's early tenure (though Charles Grant's manslaughter charge and a shooting involving a gun owned by Marvin Harrison could not have been the offseason Goodell was hoping for after coming down hard on Pacman Jones and Chris Henry). But the fact is fans — you know, the consumers of the product — will have a lot more interaction with other fans than with the players. So Goodell's announcement is welcome news for the vast majority of football consumers who can take in a game — and, yes, even suck down a few brews — without wanting to assault anybody. At an infamous 1999 game between the Raiders and Chargers in San Diego, Raider legends Ben Davidson and Otis Sistrunk were so appalled by the out-of-control fan violence they left the stadium. Think about that. Davidson told the San Diego Union-Tribune after the game, "It's just a sad testament to our time." Davidson was listed at 6-foot-8, 275 pounds in his playing days and Sistrunk at 6-4, 265. Packers fans: Setting the example for the rest of the NFL. (Streeter Lecka / Getty Images) Imagine how a dad might feel in those same stands with his 70-pound fourth-grade son. (One of the more chilling images in the YouTube gallery of fan violence is two middle-aged women shepherding a small boy away from the melee that had broken out around them.) Thankfully, not every stadium becomes Thunderdome when an opposing fan steps foot in it. God bless Lambeau Field. My friend Dan attended the NFC Championship game in Green Bay in his Eli Manning jersey. Not only did he emerge unscathed, he received a grudging Midwestern respect for making the trek and for the gritty performance of his team. Check out this news report on how Giants fans were greeted in Green Bay. And not one woman implored to expose her breasts. Oh, that all NFL cities could be Green Bay. But the sad truth is that many NFL stadiums are about as family friendly as the strip clubs where the league's players so often get arrested. Goodell's fan conduct policy will be the first step to taking the violence out of the stands and parking lots and keeping it on the field where it belongs.
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I have ZERO problems with drunken rowdiness.
But I do have problems with fighting and anything that compromises fan safety. There's a line between "being a rowdy drunk fan" and "being a hazardous drunk fan."
IMO, of course. I've only drank for one game anyway and that was the '05 Christmas Eve massacre which really killed my buzz anyway...
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I have ZERO problems with drunken rowdiness.
But I do have problems with fighting and anything that compromises fan safety. There's a line between "being a rowdy drunk fan" and "being a hazardous drunk fan."
IMO, of course. I've only drank for one game anyway and that was the '05 Christmas Eve massacre which really killed my buzz anyway...
We will see how you feel about it when you are older and have children and and want to be able to take your 9 yearold son to a game but dont becauseyou dont want him exposed to a bunch of drunken idiots who want to cuss and fight.
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I have ZERO problems with drunken rowdiness.
But I do have problems with fighting and anything that compromises fan safety. There's a line between "being a rowdy drunk fan" and "being a hazardous drunk fan."
IMO, of course. I've only drank for one game anyway and that was the '05 Christmas Eve massacre which really killed my buzz anyway...
We will see how you feel about it when you are older and have children and and want to be able to take your 9 yearold son to a game but dont becauseyou dont want him exposed to a bunch of drunken idiots who want to cuss and fight.
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I don't have a problem with the cussing and such, and I have a kid. You just got to make sure you talk to your kid about the stuff he might see and that just because adults may be acting a certain way doesn't mean its okay. The fighting and stuff like that I can definitely understand what you mean. But as long as you set a good example than your kid will probably pick up your behavior.
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For years the NFL and the networks have encouraged this kind of behavior by constantly zooming in on the freak fans doing their "notice me" act from the stands. In a way, they have convinced the lunatic fringe that they are a part of the game, instead of just spectators. Then, they act surprised when "rowdy" crosses the line to "anti-social".
How about just improving the security at stadiums? Have two cops for every section and a mobile response team for major problems.
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I'm wondering.. does Goodell have authority over fans and thier activities?
Anyway, I have no problem with them throwing guys out that start fights.. I have no problem banning them for life either. That's not necessary at a game.. anyone that thinks it's ok, is either very young and as King said, wait until they have kids, or just a complete and utter moron.
Fighting, stabbing, guns, all of that,, not needed. Not wanted at a game by anyone I believe.
Didn't the Browns institute something like a judge on site for game days.. rowdy fans were arraigned on the spot.. sent to jail at the justice center, or ROR'ed.. then later banned.
I seem to remember one fan that was busted at a game for something, not sure what, taken to the judge, jailed, later fined and his seats revoked with no refund and he wasn't allowed into at game again..
THat dude lost his PSL money,, the tickets were gone also so he couldn't even sell them to anyone.. I believe the Browns resold the tickets to someone else..
I'm also very sure that this was discussed once before also. CBS has face recognition software.. so if you are banned, they stand a good chance of catching you as you try to get into the place.. Casinos have been using this software for years to catch card counters and others that have either been caught cheating or suspected of cheating.
It's almost like big brother is watching you...
I can't wait to see how this is gonna work out... This could get very interesting...
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There's a line between "being a rowdy drunk fan" and "being a hazardous drunk fan."
Not IMO.
I pity those kids you oversee during the summer...... 'nuff said.
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[quoteI don't have a problem with the cussing and such, and I have a kid. You just got to make sure you talk to your kid about the stuff he might see and that just because adults may be acting a certain way doesn't mean its okay. The fighting and stuff like that I can definitely understand what you mean. But as long as you set a good example than your kid will probably pick up your behavior.
Yeah I agree, I dont worry about the cussing too much and dont really worry about my kids hearing cuss words. They hear the stuff on a daily basis at school so I really cant keep it from them. I am more worried about the fighting and the idiots that are too drunk to walk straight.
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Packers fans: Setting the example for the rest of the NFL.
My friend Dan attended the NFC Championship game in Green Bay in his Eli Manning jersey. Not only did he emerge unscathed, he received a grudging Midwestern respect for making the trek and for the gritty performance of his team.
Check out this news report on how Giants fans were greeted in Green Bay. And not one woman implored to expose her breasts.
Not to take away anything from Green Bay and its fans, but......
It's just to dang COLD there for fighting and flashing of breast.
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I will be happy if they toss the idiots who start fights (not happy if they toss somebody who just defends theirself from a drunk idiot)
I won't have a problem if they toss those who are to drunk to walk.
I don't want them banning people from the stadium (or not letting them in) just because they were drinking before the game.
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I agree GM... I think rowdiness is ok... I don't agree with drunkenness...
not to sound like a racist, but I found it interesting that the fights on the youtube videos of the raiders/chargers fans were mainly hispanic and I wonder if it's the soccer mentality. Having gone to several international soccer games I can't remember when a fight DIDN'T break out... not saying that other races can't be stupid... look at our cleveland fans with bottle gate... but too much of that soccer fan mentality is spewing over to other sports...
I'm fine with yelling at oposing fans, but being some what respectful... I HATE UM with a passion... but I don't think I could ever curse at a UM fan that i don't know and especially at a stadium with kids around.
I think the telling bit was about the two mothers having to shield their children during the fight in Oakland... with that many bodies it's any wonder that more people didn't get hurt. I was at the USA / Mexico game last year here in Houston... I witnessed 5 fights and one person getting shot... very sad state.
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There's a part of me that says the Cleveland Browns experience is not the same without beer, and without crazy drunk fans. Then there's a part of me that got pretty ticked off last year when I took my neice and nephew to a Cavs game and some drunken idiot wouldn't shut up the entire time.
I guess this whole thing hinges on who is Pro-Football trying to entertain?
If pro football is for meant to be a cool experience for kids, then hey, outlaw the booze. If it's meant to be for adults, then hey, put age restrictions on who can enter.
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This problem runs pretty deep. For what the "experience" of attending an NFL game costs these days, I can see how many fans will justify this behavior. Especially if the product on the field is sub par.
I don't condone it, but if someone pays hundreds of dollars of hard earned money to see a crappy performance, he's going to be mighty pissed. Throw alcohol into the mix, and you've got problems. The fan realizes he's been screwed and wants some payback.
The league has to find a way to make the fan think he's getting something for his money at every game. You can't just keep jacking prices up and expect the fans to take it no matter what's on the field.
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It isn't about no beer or age restrictions.
It is about people acting decently.
The league is telling it's teams to be less tolerant of people who don't know how to act in public.
You don't walk in to a grocery store and have some person yelling BS or FU at the top of their lungs....but you do at games.
Going to a game is supposed to be a cool experience for all ages.....it isn't an excuse to start getting smashed at 8AM and then in some bravado mentality start harassing some guy in a different jersey because he actually stood up and cheered for his team when they did something good..
This whole attitude about ' not in our house" is about as dumb as it gets.
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I tell you man, Cavs tickets, win or lose, are the best tickets in town. Live music in the halls, free autograph sessions, free poster making shops for kids, a chance at getting a free t-shirt, On-court shows during time-outs, and also during halftime. - Like I said earlier, I took my wife, neice, and nephew to a game earlier this year, and it was truly awesome, and worth the ticket price.
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I agree...I was very impressed as was my wife when we attended a game a few years back....just as you said....live bands, stuff to do and see....it was very nice.
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I hear ya Ballpeen, and my ideal fan experience is the same as yours. But, is it possible to serve booze anywhere and not find several drunken idiots who lose their inhabitions and act out of character?
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I hear ya Ballpeen, and my ideal fan experience is the same as yours. But, is it possible to serve booze anywhere and not find several drunken idiots who lose their inhabitions and act out of character?
Sure it is....I go in to restaurants that serve booze and people know how to act.
The problem is this....tailgating.
By the time people leave the tailgate lots and then add several more brews in the stadium, they have been drinking 7-8-9 hours....like going to a bar for happy hour at 6PM and leaving at 2-3AM.
Most bar fights don't start at 7-8PM...they start at 1AM after people get messed up.
If I was with the Browns, I would lobby hard to have the city not open the Muni until 10 am.
That would take care of a big part of the problem.....that, or insist the city do a better job of policing things. The party is way to obvious...start writing tickets and having people pour out the suds
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I see in another thread that your first Browns game was in the 1950's. How did the fans conduct themselves back then? Were there as many drunk idiots as there are now?
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I see in another thread that your first Browns game was in the 1950's. How did the fans conduct themselves back then? Were there as many drunk idiots as there are now?
The vast majority of people went in church clothes....they went to church, then went to the game.
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I've seen photos from some early games, and have viewed everybody in their Sunday best. In your opinion, what led to the change of fan apparel, attitude, culture, etc. ? When and why did fans start wearing casual clothes and start associating drunken rowdiness with football?
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Me and you have tailgated many times here the past few years and I do agree with you in a way. I love tailgating just like the next person, but also have seen a shift in how things go down there. I will never forget getting pelted with bottles b/c I was walking with 4 girls in Steeler gear. People ran up and dumped beer on me and the girls and then talked smack calling me a "traitor"  These people aren't down there for the Browns. There down there to start trouble and get hammered. A "Mardi Gras Cleveland" type of deal and it's deff not. Same in the stadium. Though when I was a kid going to Muni things were pretty much the same if not worse at times. Especially being a kid in the bathrooms. Opening the lot at 10:00am isn't the answer. About 100 plain clothes officers is a start.
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I like it too 337, as you said, we have shared conversation, beers, and lunch on at least 5-6 occasions....just saying what I think needs to be done., not what I want to be done.
Muni.....I don't know when it happened..maybe when people quit going to church on Sunday mornings... ..but it did...for a good many of the people the tailgate is the high point rather then the game.
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I have too man. I have enjoyed meeting you and talking/eating some grub. Esp your shrimp  Seriously though, tailgating is a huge part of my gameday experience and I love it. I also know how to act in public and know when to stop drinking. OK, there was that one game I put a beer box on my head,,we are all allowed one game to act like a fool Inside though I have seen a lot of stupid things,,especially in the bathrooms. People fighting with other fans, with fellow Browns fans, people puking on themselves and others, peeing in sinks, etc. Almost always alcohol related. If the Browns were to do anything I think it needs to be to make those selling it a little more responsible for those they sell it to. I admit too I am one who swears a lot during games b/c I get pretty worked up during the game. It's a bad habit I have and sometimes I don't even realize I am doing it. Being a father I also realize Browns games are not a family friendly event and I am waiting till my girls are older before bringing them down. I know you have double the amount of people than th Indians and more than triple the amount than a CAVS game. I know there are going to be things I don't want my daughter to see or hear. Football is a violent game and it brings out a lot of emotions in people so I know things are more likely to happen there too.
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I went on You Tube and checked out some of the videos of the Black Hole in Oakland. There were two things that really struck me.
First I was watching some of the videos of fights and I saw people having to take off running with their kids because bedlam had broken out. I think it is pretty sad that someone should pay good money to take their children to a game and have to run for cover because some drunken idiots are so intent on fighting that they dont care if they trample a kid. I know some would say there is no way they should have their kids there, and I agree but that in itself is sad. Taking your kid to a sporting even is something as a parent you shuld be able to do without worry for their safety.
The second thing that struck me was that these fight videos went on or 5,6,7, minutes and there was no sign of police or security. Whats up with security in Oakland? Are they just so overwhelmed that they dont even try? People complain sometimes about overkill of security and police at CBS but after seeing how tings are at Mcafee Coliseum we should be happy to have a relatively safe stadium to enjoy a game in.
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j/c...
So adults get rowdy and do stupid things when they tailgate? Is the real world going to eat them alive for partying too hard?
Anyway, I think Peen hit it right on the money. The Muni Lot should open later, maybe not 10 AM. 9 seems not too early but not too late to me. A solid 2 1/2-3 1/2 hours of pregaming depending on when you want to arrive in the stadium before the game sounds ideal.
I don't understand the fascination of getting completely hammered before a game...I definitely understand the whole "drunk atmosphere" of a Browns game but I'd like to be able to remember the details of the game and be able to think strategically.
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I also realize Browns games are not a family friendly event and I am waiting till my girls are older before bringing them down. I know you have double the amount of people than th Indians and more than triple the amount than a CAVS game. I know there are going to be things I don't want my daughter to see or hear. Football is a violent game and it brings out a lot of emotions in people so I know things are more likely to happen there too.
It shouldn't be that way.
You see a shift already. Teams are going full throttle with family sections. If they work, expect to see them expanded.
I disagree on the numbers as compared to Indians and Cavs games.
At a typical Browns game, it is probably a safe bet at least 10% of the crowd has had to much to drink...pick any percentage you want....5% if that seems more reasonable to you....
The point is you don't see a corresponding percentage at the other games because tailgating isn't the culture, and if some do, they don't head to the lots at 6am for a 1pm game....if anything people head to the restaurants and bars for a few beers and a plate of nachos. Places where they are expected to act accordingly or get kicked out. You don't see people in restaurants or bars crowding around tables playing drinking games and throwing stuff at people with opposing colors.
You don't because people know they will get kicked out.
Actually, your thought on undercover cops is a good one. I would take it a step further and have them dressed in Steeler gear or whatever applies that day suported by 1-2 others in plain clothes or Browns gear.
Have them in the lots before games, in the stadiums during the games, restrooms at halftime, and 'walking home after the games.
It wouldn't take long before people would wonder if they were about to throw a beer on a opposing fan or a cop dressed as a opposing fan.
People have complained about security.....you know, telling people to sit down and stuff like that. I think with this message Goodell is sending, you can expect to see stadium security even tougher....looking for people who are obviously drunk and escorting them out of the stadium.
Some may call it not being fan friendly.
I don't.
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Waiting till 10 am to open the lots is not the answer (those who want to get plastered will just start drinking at home or while driving to the lot. I always get to the muni about 6 AM to tailgate, however I wait till 8 am to have my first drink and I stop drinking by noon (I don't drink, or have only one beer in the stadium so I can make sure I am safe to drive home by 6 PM.
I do like the idea of having the under cover cops walking the lots, and in the stadiums. Cuff the idiots who are starting fights and throwing crap. I don't ever remember anybody getting out of line at the Dawg Talk island.
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I seem to remember one fan that was busted at a game for something, not sure what, taken to the judge, jailed, later fined and his seats revoked with no refund and he wasn't allowed into at game again..
THat dude lost his PSL money,, the tickets were gone also so he couldn't even sell them to anyone.. I believe the Browns resold the tickets to someone else..
Are you talking about the guy who ran onto the field a couple years ago during the Steelers game? I know he got arrested and banned for life.
"Fans" who start physical altercations with others or who go on the field of play are two types of people I have absolutely no time for. Anyone who compromises the physical well-being of anyone else in the building should be dealt with swiftly and permanently. General rowdiness, drunken or otherwise, does not bother me until those doing it infringe on the ability of others to watch the game. Hearing some curse words will not ruin a child's life and its up to whomever the child is with to discuss such behavior with the child. I started going to the Municipal Stadium and the Horseshoe when I was probably five years old, and I seem to have turned out just fine.
That said, I do think that, unless you and your children are die-hard Browns fans, there are probably much better ways to spend your money on a Sunday afternoon with the family, given the costs associated with attending a football game. I've seen people spend $100+ per ticket and have to leave in the first quarter because their kid got too cold, or it was too loud, or whatever reason. Attending a Browns game, to me, isn't like a Cavs game where there are fireworks and cheerleaders and the kind of constant stimulus that appeals to a younger kid, not to mention the star power of having someone like Lebron in the vicinity. It's not something you do to kill a Sunday afternoon. It's an 8-days-a-year event where the whole day is devoted to screaming and stomping and pounding and cheering the Browns on to victory, and if a child isn't ready for that, then he probably shouldn't be going to the game.
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Though it might not happen at the place you hang, Dawg Talk Island, I am sure that isn't even 1% of the fans who attend games. Overall the atmosphere during tailgating isn't appropriate for people under the age of 18 and this needs to stop. Yes football might be violent, but that doesn't mean people need to get plastered hours before a game, and act foolish creating unfavorable conditions for a family. It wouldn't bother me one bit if security started making fans take breathalysers before entering the stadium so they could eliminate the riff raff that attend games. I never understood why people needed to get so drunk before football games, not only do they miss the real point of attending, it makes good people not go because people can't behave like responsible citizens. Changes need to be made, and this is a good first step by commissioner Goddell.
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So adults get rowdy and do stupid things when they tailgate? Is the real world going to eat them alive for partying too hard?
Anyway, I think Peen hit it right on the money. The Muni Lot should open later, maybe not 10 AM.
Yes if they act irresponsibly because they are partying too hard the world is going to eat them alive by charging them as criminals because they committed criminal acts.
You do realize that there are plenty of other spots that tailgating takes place besides the muni lot? Most of them are private lots though so security is left up to the lot owner for the most part. There are also many people who dont necessarily tailgate but party in the district beforehand. Personally I do a little of both. Go to West Sixth and bar hop(Blind Pig, Dive Bar) and then stop by OAFGATE at West 3rd lot before heading in to game. I usually get pretty buzzed, hell there have been a few times I can say I was drunk. The point is I dont act like a jackass. Screaming and cheering is expected, pushing and shoving and running into people is not. If you are too drunk to know the difference then you are too drunk to be let loose in public.
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So adults get rowdy and do stupid things when they tailgate? Is the real world going to eat them alive for partying too hard?
Anyway, I think Peen hit it right on the money. The Muni Lot should open later, maybe not 10 AM.
Yes if they act irresponsibly because they are partying too hard the world is going to eat them alive by charging them as criminals because they committed criminal acts.
You do realize that there are plenty of other spots that tailgating takes place besides the muni lot? Most of them are private lots though so security is left up to the lot owner for the most part. There are also many people who dont necessarily tailgate but party in the district beforehand. Personally I do a little of both. Go to West Sixth and bar hop(Blind Pig, Dive Bar) and then stop by OAFGATE at West 3rd lot before heading in to game. I usually get pretty buzzed, hell there have been a few times I can say I was drunk. The point is I dont act like a jackass. Screaming and cheering is expected, pushing and shoving and running into people is not. If you are too drunk to know the difference then you are too drunk to be let loose in public.
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I totally agree with you. I don't mean to hijack the thread but when I'm told I'm an "immature punk" yet don't display half the behavior that some 40-50 year old men display when they tailgate (I don't start fights or harass others beyond friendly ribbing, let me tell you that right now), I tend to feel like it's hypocritical.
Like I said earlier, I've never understood the allure of getting too drunk before a Browns game...I mean, wouldn't you still want to be able to process the information going on on the field and think strategically?
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I mean, wouldn't you still want to be able to process the information going on on the field and think strategically?
What for? To help call in plays?
I agree though. I go to the games to watch the games. Not pass out in the 2nd quarter. Or worse puke all over my section.
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I mean, wouldn't you still want to be able to process the information going on on the field and think strategically?
What for? To help call in plays?
I agree though. I go to the games to watch the games. Not pass out in the 2nd quarter. Or worse puke all over my section.
Well I have my seat location this year for one year only(for now) so I am going to act like a total ass(more than normal) so the person who owns the PSL's will be so hated when they return next season that they will want to sell me the PSL's .  (this will be funny for those who know whos seats I have this season)
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I totally agree with you. I don't mean to hijack the thread but when I'm told I'm an "immature punk" yet don't display half the behavior that some 40-50 year old men display when they tailgate (I don't start fights or harass others beyond friendly ribbing, let me tell you that right now), I tend to feel like it's hypocritical.
When you act a certain way, you get labeled accordingly. I don't care if the person is 21 or 100, if they act like a jackass, they are a jackass, this has nothing to do with age, unless your trying to make it an excuse to behave in such a manner.
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I mean, wouldn't you still want to be able to process the information going on on the field and think strategically?
What for? To help call in plays?
I agree though. I go to the games to watch the games. Not pass out in the 2nd quarter. Or worse puke all over my section.
Well I have my seat location this year for one year only(for now) so I am going to act like a total ass(more than normal) so the person who owns the PSL's will be so hated when they return next season that they will want to sell me the PSL's . (this will be funny for those who know whos seats I have this season)
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Just wait till I sit in them w/him one game,,gone fo sho! 
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Eliminating beer from stadium sales......
Wonder if he knows most of the drinking goes on OUTSIDE the stadium. Good luck with that, Rog.
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Let's see if Goodell is better at policing the fans than he is the players.
Since he took his tough approach with them we still see the same amount of arrests and domestic violence.
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