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I'm waiting for GM to come in here and talk about his days ... where they would fly a passenger pigeon between two computers. 
that just reminded me of this...
google came out with this on april fools day 2002
The technology behind Google's great results:
http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html
you should read this... it's funny as heck
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I'm waiting for GM to come in here and talk about his days ... where they would fly a passenger pigeon between two computers.
I tried keeping pigeons, but they couldn't stand the smell 
I miss those fancy new computers we use to have
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Properly segmented, a cable network doesn't degrade nearly as quickly as a DSL network does as distances from the central office or fiber hub increase (even when you load it up with users).
We had cable internet when we lived in Texas. We wondered why our service was crap (about 90% of the time, dial-up would have been faster). When we called to complain about the service, all they said was "We are upgrading our DOCSIS modems." Of course, that was also the reason our cost was going up by $5 every month. Then we were told that our "hub" was 360 miles away in Dallas! That very day we said "screw this!" and we got satellite TV and got DSL and haven't had a problem ever since. When FiOS became available to us, we jumped on it!
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We have our DVR, but we don't have an HD TV either.
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I have AT&T U-verse and I'm quite happy with it. MUCH cheaper than what Time Warner or WOW were/are offering.
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As someone who saw things from the "other side" (not Time Warner, mind you) I don't think this is such a bad thing at all...
Depending on the service, a few bandwidth hogs in one area can kill other folks... and ISPs do have set limits on the amount of bandwidth THEY themselves should be using. They can end up paying some big time extra charges for going over the pre-determined amount for usage. Time Warner themselves doesn't have their own backbone... they have to pay someone too. If they end up with a huge spike in usage that goes over that amount, they end up paying some hefty fees.
Honestly, I'd LOVE 15 MB/s for $55/month.. and 40 gigs per month is a pretty darn good amount. You'd have to be a pretty big power user to hit that every month. (Plus, a dollar/gig over isn't all that bad either!)
And as other folks have stated... for most users, Cable speeds (and availability) surpass DSL. Fiber is another story... but DSL can't usually compete with the speeds that cable offers, and they are significantly more limited as far as availability goes. (the quality of service drops very quickly once you start getting away from the central office)
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When FiOS became available to us, we jumped on it!
So you have FiOS now?
I was lookign at it, but it's not available here yet, but I notice their "extra" charges are high.
Like a HD DVR box is 17.99 a month. I pay 8.00 to Comcast a month for mine now, at 17.99 I'd probably just go buy one myself, but I like the onscreen channel guide that comes with the cablebox one.
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I have AT&T U-verse and I'm quite happy with it. MUCH cheaper than what Time Warner or WOW were/are offering.
what zip code in columbus do you live?
Im moving and I thought about switching to to ATT universe, and they said its not available in 43201 or 43212.
What the heck? 
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Yet another example of how deregulation is killing the consumers. Time Warner has a monopoly on cable in area’s of the country they service. We need to have choices as consumers. Something has to be done to protect us consumers from monopolies like Time Warner. They are changing their channel list so as to not be a birded on bandwidth and that is a necessary solution, but this amounts to nothing more then greed.
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it makes sense though, and correct me if im wrong.
lets say everyone pays $30/month for cable. If 5% of those people are using 50% of the resources it takes to get internet across, arent those 5% affecting the performance of the other 95% of users?
So those people should pay more, yes/no?
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Well, glad I don't have TWC. But I do have comcast down here in the Keys. We basically have 2 choices. Comcast or Bellsouth DSL. And bellsouth sucks big time. Satellite is not an option really because of the weather we get (anyone seen a dish go flyin in a hurricane? lol)
I hope this doesn't catch on. My MMORPG days would be numbered for sure.
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it makes sense though, and correct me if im wrong.
lets say everyone pays $30/month for cable. If 5% of those people are using 50% of the resources it takes to get internet across, arent those 5% affecting the performance of the other 95% of users?
So those people should pay more, yes/no?
I guess that all depends on the quota that’s set. (realistic or un-realistic).
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a MMoRPG like WoW uses about 8MB of bandwidth per hour, that's 192MB a day or 5.7GB for 30 days if played 24/7
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Like a HD DVR box is 17.99 a month. I pay 8.00 to Comcast a month for mine now, at 17.99 I'd probably just go buy one myself, but I like the onscreen channel guide that comes with the cablebox one.
We don't have an HD DVR box.
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Satellite is not an option really because of the weather we get (anyone seen a dish go flyin in a hurricane? lol)
Nope. Not many hurricanes in places where I've lived.
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I hope this doesn't catch on. My MMORPG days would be numbered for sure.
We use ours for graphic intensive online gaming. My wife is also taking online college courses and does lots of information searching.
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Satellite is not an option really because of the weather we get (anyone seen a dish go flyin in a hurricane? lol)
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I hope this doesn't catch on. My MMORPG days would be numbered for sure.
We use ours for graphic intensive online gaming. My wife is also taking online college courses and does lots of information searching.
The graphics aren't transferred over the line, just digital data that tells your computer how to display the different features, characters, etc. All the real work is being done client side.
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I know, but when I have to download an update several times (often 500MB or greater files) each month...  Then everything else too.
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Freenet?  I remember operating a FidoNet affiliated BBS. Before then, our BBS used TBBS software.
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I think it's BS to do this and consumers will ultimately dictate whether or not it will work. There's a reason that caps on the internet usage went away even with dial-up years ago.... Also, with the things on the horizon as they are this will be a major stumbling block to a lot of development. Things such as streaming video and even high def video over the net will be severely hampered the first time mom and dad get a bill that johnny watched too many streaming movies on netflix  I don't see it lasting and time warner will only tick off customers... especially some unsuspecting ones.
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I think it's BS to do this and consumers will ultimately dictate whether or not it will work. There's a reason that caps on the internet usage went away even with dial-up years ago....
Also, with the things on the horizon as they are this will be a major stumbling block to a lot of development. Things such as streaming video and even high def video over the net will be severely hampered the first time mom and dad get a bill that johnny watched too many streaming movies on netflix I don't see it lasting and time warner will only tick off customers... especially some unsuspecting ones.
Caps on internet were never an issue on dial up, it was phone company charge issues.
I don't think the majority of people will even notice a cap. They know what most people use, and they don't have an issue with that. It's the folks that run their PC 24/7 downloading movies, music, etc, that are the problem.
Ever run a torrent download program on a home network, and then try to surf the internet on another PC? It's a huge strain, just all the connecting and reconnecting to all the seeders.
a 5-6GB cap is more than enough to use your PC a lot, game, and do some streaming video. They know what it takes, don't forget they have On-Demand video themselves, which is basically the same thing as the NetFlix Settop box concept.
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a 5-6GB cap is more than enough to use your PC a lot, game, and do some streaming video. They know what it takes, don't forget they have On-Demand video themselves, which is basically the same thing as the NetFlix Settop box concept.
5-6GB...per day I hope? =P I can easily crush that in a day and I do not download any torrents, mp3, videos, etc. This is mainly from gaming, browsing the web, watching some youtube stuff and that's it. If I have to download any patches for the system, for games or for software development stuff...I'm easily over that. I just had to download 5 GB in patches alone for the game I play.
Time Warner tried doing this once before in a selected area (which I happened to live in) and failed miserably.
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Caps on internet were never an issue on dial up, it was phone company charge issues.
Sure it was. Ever run over the say 10 hours of AOL you got a month?
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I don't think the majority of people will even notice a cap.
yet... give it time and everyone's usage will be up. And its not like this extra amount they charge these guys is going to help anything but their pocketbooks. It's not going to improve performance for other people.
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I had Time Warner a long time ago in FL. Then they were bought out by Bright House, the service marginaly improved. Time Warner is all over Ohio and they suck.
This is just another way to bleed the working class out of their money.
DSL probably costs a bit more than cable internet but if you're going to pay extra charges for limited usage through the cable company then why not go ahead and pay a bit more for DSL and be done with it.
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AOL used to charge based on usage before they went to flat rates. And, I believe it was billed as a phone call...because my Mother almost had a heart attack opening the bill one month. 
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a 5-6GB cap is more than enough to use your PC a lot, game, and do some streaming video. They know what it takes, don't forget they have On-Demand video themselves, which is basically the same thing as the NetFlix Settop box concept.
5-6GB...per day I hope? =P I can easily crush that in a day and I do not download any torrents, mp3, videos, etc. This is mainly from gaming, browsing the web, watching some youtube stuff and that's it. If I have to download any patches for the system, for games or for software development stuff...I'm easily over that. I just had to download 5 GB in patches alone for the game I play.
Time Warner tried doing this once before in a selected area (which I happened to live in) and failed miserably.
Dude, we went over this above. The average MMoRPG, take WoW for instance, uses about 8MB/hr of bandwidth, that's 192MB over 24 hrs, that's only 5.7GB if you played for 30 days straight.
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Comcast Corp., the country's largest cable company, has suggested that it may cap usage at 250 gigabytes per month. Bend Cable Communications in Bend, Ore., used to have multitier bandwidth allowances, like the ones Time Warner Cable will test, but it abandoned them in favor of an across-the-board 100-gigabyte cap. Bend charges $1.50 per extra gigabyte consumed in a month.
TW is suggesting a 29.99 5gb cap with 768kps speed, and a 54.95 option for 15MBps and 40GB cap.
Comcast has considered a cap but suggesting 250GB/mo.
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a 5-6GB cap is more than enough to use your PC a lot, game, and do some streaming video. They know what it takes, don't forget they have On-Demand video themselves, which is basically the same thing as the NetFlix Settop box concept.
5-6GB...per day I hope? =P I can easily crush that in a day and I do not download any torrents, mp3, videos, etc. This is mainly from gaming, browsing the web, watching some youtube stuff and that's it. If I have to download any patches for the system, for games or for software development stuff...I'm easily over that. I just had to download 5 GB in patches alone for the game I play.
Time Warner tried doing this once before in a selected area (which I happened to live in) and failed miserably.
Dude, we went over this above. The average MMoRPG, take WoW for instance, uses about 8MB/hr of bandwidth, that's 192MB over 24 hrs, that's only 5.7GB if you played for 30 days straight.
Multiply that by 2 for multiple people playing on the same connection. Add in the large patches that occur on an almost monthly basis (depending on the game) x2 (again). Gaming bandwith itself is actually (like you said) fairly low...I think FPS have the highest bandwith of all genre's and it's still a minor hit on bandwidth (but I would have to double check the numbers).
All I'm saying is that in combination with my roommate we can easily hit at least 1-2 GB in one day with no illegal downloading of any kind. If I work from home...even more. We could however probably stay within the 50 GB in an average month. I pre-ordered AOC which was a 16 GB download not inclulding the 5 GB so far of patches (of course this isn't a daily occurance though)
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Sounds like a step backwards to me. Luckily it's just a test, and hopefully it won't go through. My thought when I first read the 5% thing, is businesses... not the general public. But after reading the posts everyone has made, I might have to be scared. Anyway, I haven't heard of very many customers who are completely happy, all I know is all the employees I know are.
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