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I have been hoping and praying for this day for almost a year. Why everyone has held on to the LCB dream is waaay beyond my comprehension
Geez LJ,, it's been explained to you at least 5 or 6 times on this very thread,, if you can't tell by now why people were holding on to the whole LCB thing, then either you can't read, or simply don't want to...
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There were TWO shooters! The Zapruter film shows it! And the Browns were practicing on a grassy knoll when LCB blew out his knee!
I just hope at the end of the day we find out the why. I'm giving Bentley the benefit of the doubt based on what I've read. If there's more out there please point the way.
Answer me this though: (this goes for everyone)
Why does Bentley agree to a pay cut this offseason? To the league minimum. If he doesn't want to play for the Browns. He's basically giving away $20M. Bentley has all the leverage in the world in an injury grievance.
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interesting i was talking to someone at work about what if he was hurt when he got here all along....he signed a small contract but alot of up from cash....either way you look at it he is gone....its done and over with its time for all of us to move on!!!
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Why does Bentley agree to a pay cut this offseason? To the league minimum. If he doesn't want to play for the Browns. He's basically giving away $20M. Bentley has all the leverage in the world in an injury grievance.
This is complete speculation on my part, but would that lend any credence to the whole "Bentley knew he was hurt and was just waiting to blame it on training camp" thing? Perhaps the team knew about it, and this was the two sides' way of working it out?
Once again, I have absolutely no idea. Just throwing it out there.
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. I think Bentley knows as well as anyone he's not good enough to start on this line or even play second fiddle to our gaurd/center backups of McKinney and Hadnot (once Tucker comes back).
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The team would not have ponied up 16M if they knew he was injured prior to that first practice. All contracts have protections if a player injures himself outside the scope of football.
Not only could they recoup a prorated portion of the signing bonus, they could go after the money paid out while under contract injured.
If we wanted to go after the Winslow money we were well within our rights to do so for example.
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Danielle, 1st thank you for your gracious and enlightening response.
It raises some questions in my mind..
Does the team make a recommendation ?? How often do players go with that recommendation? For instance you said that Hank had surgery on his shoulder, did he follow his own plan, or did he take the teams recommended course of action for this injury??
The #6 thing was what I remember from the SS interview that was put up on U Tube. I believe your take to be 100% correct, but thats what SS said. I was just supposing as to why LCB might be PO-ed...
The rest I agree with 100%, much of what happened was a result of the actions LCB himself took. Like you said most players would re-hab at team facilities in season, and most even in the off season. It was very strange to say the very least that LCB never tried to be a part of the whole team thing, and by doing so he put himself on the outside looking in, not the team..
Again though thanks for your response it was enlightening.
BTW best of luck to Hank for a great season. To you and your family all the best...
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I agree Heldawg. This rumor is just this side of slander. Who's to say that the Browns aren't spreading the rumor to make themselves look better? To think that a guy that big could even walk out to the practice field with that kind of injury is ludicrous.
When I see this reported in or on a credible news source I'll believe it then. Until then, "Vers said it on the other board" just doesn't cut the mustard for me. And who was the other quote from? The OBR? Hell, most of the people on here have spent years ridiculing Barry McBride and the OBR. Now he's Walter Cronkite? Laughable.
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EO...you could be right and maybe the entire situation may have been handled differently by the Browns front office, had Bentley not contracted staff infection and almost died and almost lost his leg.
After the staph infection, it would have been impossible for the Browns to make any case against Bentley concerning a possible pre-existing injury. Everyone would have thought the front office was just making a lame excuse for getting rid of Bentley or making a case for recovery of funds from his contract.
The Browns front office handled the situation in the best interest of the franchise considering all the events surrounding the entire situation.
It would have been great to see Bentley play for the Browns as he was the best in the NFL. But it was not to be...
As for the "staph" infection issue...the Browns must get that under control.
The Browns have had way too many staph infections.
Now, time to move on folks...our offensive line is solid with depth, coming off a great year. It should only get better...
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There's no way he had the same ruptured tendon when he walked on to the field, a lot of folks (myself included) found it odd that he didn't run at all and that he is injured on the first play. this is a guy who was a terror at center for the aints. I tried to watch all I could of him when the FA rumors started and he was a beast at center. I really think he did get some sort of injury before practice that lead to the ruptured tendon.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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"Or was it a little more like "we're going to really take you along slow as almost a type of 'punishment'"? "
No I think at this point we simply had written Bentley off and knew that he would NEVER be the same player he was when we signed him here. NEVER.
I also think because of the circumstances we were not going to bend over backwards to see him play for us again...nowhere close to Baxter and how we will give him every opportunity.
I think when he comes and states...he can play. We are not going to go by his word but by our criteria that we ask all players on our roster to go by...pass the physical to be active!
I think Bentley's time as a Brown...came and Gone as far as our FO and Coaching staff were concerned. If he wanted to fight for a back up job...so be it we would accomodate him and if he ever became a starter...so be it. But the FACT remains Bentley will NEVER be the player he was.
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As for the "staph" infection issue...the Browns must get that under control.
Should they then let the rest of world in on the secret of how to do that, since nobody else on earth has it under control either 
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Glad I can humor you in being wrong...lol  whatever makes you happy.
But yes, even now I clearly state that if/when more facts come out disproving my current beliefs - I will most likely develop another totally different opinion.
At the time like almost all I was very excited about the possibility of having a what I perceived to be WHOLE Bentley back in our midst. Not knowing how he could not run any longer and move like he use to. I was excited and the reasoning that were being presented on his demise. But yes - I was pretty surprised at the ME ME out turn from all this but in the long run we know its not that. Bentley had worn his welcome from the FO that is why he walked out...he knew he was not welcomed here and nobody at that time including me knew that - but of course Bentley did.
As mentioned we got more pieces of this puzzle to make a clearer picture. We are only as good as the information we have. Just ask Congress and the President. 
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As for the "staph" infection issue...the Browns must get that under control.
Should they then let the rest of world in on the secret of how to do that, since nobody else on earth has it under control either
They are going to rehab in a bubble 
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To answer your question about what the team does when an injury happens : You see your Dr's here, figure out what you did, and then its up to your team Dr's, agent and yourself to put yourself and your career in the best surgical hands possible.
If you blow a knee you go to the best knee surgeon, with the best outcomes. Hank went between Dr Andrews and Dr Uribe in Miami and his agents pushed him towards Uribe for the type of surgery he had. We pay our agents alot of money to know these things. When Seth Mckinney ( we have the same agents) hurt his shoulder he went to Andrews. Its definitly up to the player and agent and who is best at fixing what you have wrong. I remember when Hank hurt his shoulder another player on the eagles had also gotten hurt, very similar injuries. The other player stayed with a local Dr and had trouble until he tore his again this past season. Its best to seek out the best... your career is on the line.
The whole situation is unfortunate, but it happened, and its over.
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As for the "staph" infection issue...the Browns must get that under control.
Should they then let the rest of world in on the secret of how to do that, since nobody else on earth has it under control either
They are going to rehab in a bubble
Staph infections run rampid across the country. To put it on the Browns organization is absurd.
Working in a hospital, I can vouch for it. I can pretty much say on most any day of the week, there is someone on my floor with a staph infection, which 75% of the time is MRSA (methicillin-resistant staph aureus).
That being said, there are things the Browns can do to help prevent it. More than likely they are doing these things already, but the infections most likely have nothing to do with the Browns at all.
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NRTU something else to read on this story, nothing really new except for the B-More part. Man......I would really NOT like that, almost worse than him going to Pittsburgh. Quote:
BROWNS: Bentley's exit isn't clear cut
Heard from a former NFL-type the day LeCharles Bentley cleared his physical.
The conversation went something like this:
''This won't take long,'' the former NFL-type said.
''What do you mean?''
''He's not going to be on the team. They cleared him to cut him.''
''What?''
''He clears a physical, it takes away grievances when he's cut.''
Next day, Bentley was cut.
The same guy said:
''That didn't take long.''
''You really think they cleared him to cut him?''
''Yep. They got him on the field to show he was healthy and to admit in the paper that he was. Now he's done.''
''But can't he still sue them for all that happened?''
''Yep, but now the Browns have a bit more of a case.''
OK, then.
I do remember Errict Rhett trying to come back from Lisfranc surgery and looking terrible in training camp. He was cut after an intrasquad scrimmage. I wondered to an official from another team if he had a grievance, and the official asked if Rhett had practiced. Told yes, the official said, ''That's all the team needs, to show he was on the practice field.''
On Thursday, a Pittsburgh radio station asked if I'd come on to talk about the Browns. They wouldn't ask if they knew how little I had to say, but they asked and I agreed. Lo and behold, one of the hosts was a former Browns scout who was with the team for one year in the Butch Davis regime.
I mentioned the theory about clearing Bentley to cut him, and the scout said: ''Yeah, that happens a lot.''
That's one side of Bentley's departure.
Here's the other.
The same day Bentley rejoined practice, I heard from a friend of a friend of Bentley's. (Guy hears from a lot of people in this job.) The connection is a bit around the corner, but everyone involved that I know is trustworthy.
He vowed that Bentley would play somewhere this season, and if it weren't for the Browns, it would be somewhere else. And Bentley would start.
Wow, I thought. Pretty conflicting information.
Believe me, he said. This guy is coming back with the nastiest attitude you can imagine.
Next day, Bentley was released.
And the friend of the friend of the friend of the cousin twice removed said: He'll sign with Baltimore and come back and stick it to us. Mark my words.
Talk about swirling conspiracy theories.
All this is pretty typical of the Bentley saga, where there seemed to be as much misinformation as information circulating. His staph infection was kept from the public, and last week Bentley called it life-threatening. Staph infections can be life-threatening, so he wasn't lying.
Was he about to lose his leg? Did he hide from the Browns during his rehab? Did he hate the team? Did the butler do it in the library?
Some folks with the team are adamant the Browns treated Bentley well, that all the rumors of this, that or the other thing have been unfair to the team and its medical staff.
Maybe it simply was best for Bentley to go. There was a raging current under this proverbial bridge. The Browns had done the right thing rebuilding their offensive line without counting on Bentley, and he wanted to start.
General Manager Phil Savage has shown he will move a guy, either via trade or release, if the guy feels he can start and he won't be starting in Cleveland. He traded Jeff Faine after signing Bentley, after all.
Perhaps it's just better that Bentley moved on. Even if it means he sticks it to his old team.
Perhaps it's just best to say this was a potential storybook tale that clearly did not have a very happy ending.
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That article seems like it's just an extension of what the rest of us are doing: speculating.
The only way we'll know how well Bentley is doing is if he signs somewhere for this season and, if so, how he does.
If he starts and plays really well, that doesn't look so good for the Browns. If he signs and eventually starts, then it looks to me like the two sides just wanted to split. If he signs and never plays well or never signs, it looks to me like the Browns made the 100% right choice.
Either way, it's water under the bridge now. Nothing we can do but move on with our OL the way it is, which, I'm pretty happy with.
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I can't see Savage letting him go unless he felt there was no other way of dealing with the situation..
So as for who was right or wrong, I guess it doesn't really matter. JMO however
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I saw this..once more some of it may be true..some may not..
He was a pain to the FO..
However all this stuff about him signing with another team will take a long process to see what he has left in the tank.
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NFL.COM » Offensive lineman LeCharles Bentley: Close to 10 teams have been tracking Bentley, charting to see his condition and, at this point, his pricetag. Teams that have expressed varying degrees of interest in Bentley include Buffalo, Cincinnati, Miami, Oakland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Francisco and Seattle. Each has a need along the offensive line, but no team’s offensive line needs are any greater than Miami’s and St. Louis’. The Rams efforted to sign former Raiders offensive tackle Barry Sims, but lost him to San Francisco. Early in July, Bentley might be the first player teams target when they return from a July 4 vacation.
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That article seems like it's just an extension of what the rest of us are doing: speculating.
The only way we'll know how well Bentley is doing is if he signs somewhere for this season and, if so, how he does.
If he starts and plays really well, that doesn't look so good for the Browns. If he signs and eventually starts, then it looks to me like the two sides just wanted to split. If he signs and never plays well or never signs, it looks to me like the Browns made the 100% right choice.
Either way, it's water under the bridge now. Nothing we can do but move on with our OL the way it is, which, I'm pretty happy with.
i'm bummed that he left, but i'm just glad it's over with...
i think we were all getting tired of the articles over the last 2 years... he's coming back, he's not coming back, etc...
i wish the guy well, but now we don't have to wonder
and also, i think next year in the draft we should find our center of the future...
i don't know who or anything, i would just like to see us start grooming a guy to take over this offense...
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Where's he playing now anyway?
Like you, as much as I wanted him here I'm glad we can finally put closure to this whole issue.
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i think next year in the draft we should find our center of the future...
i don't know who or anything, i would just like to see us start grooming a guy to take over this offense...
Just realized, I have no idea who Fraley's backup at center is!
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Just realized, I have no idea who Fraley's backup at center is!
Who is it???
Seth McKinney, or Rex Hadnot....neither I believe is officially ahead of the other but I believe McKinney is unofficially as Hadnot seems to be spearheading the RG spot.(supposedly may keep it even when Tucker returns as he is doing that well)
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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As it stands now I even think Friedman might make the team over McKinney - Who definitely is the more talented OLman when healthy but being a backup Friedman is on all the special teams units and excels on them.
Tucker - Hadnot tough call Hadnot is doing well against what? Doubt he is winning a position in shorts...not an OL position. We'll see after hitting starts and he has to work against Rogers. But either one Tucker included can man the Center position in an emergency...of course Tucker came into the NFL as a Center from college.
But any news on Bentley hooking up with a team? I am curious on that one.
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I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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"Wasn't Friedman thinking about retiring?"
First I'm hearing about it...is it official?
I know Hadnot has starting experience and he came here to play. I for one am fighting it a bit because I think Tucker is a Pro-Bowl level RG...always thought he would be!
Hadnot would have to be really special. But I also understand unless Tucker comes back a little earlier and gets in a Pre-season game or so it will be tough for him to take back his spot as an automatic.
hehehe...I can't believe we actually have two GOOD guys vying for a position and not the other way around....which guy is worse scenario of yesteryear...lol
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Seth McKinney, or Rex Hadnot....neither I believe is officially ahead of the other but I believe McKinney is unofficially as Hadnot seems to be spearheading the RG spot.(supposedly may keep it even when Tucker returns as he is doing that well)
We also have Lennie Friedman that can play Center as well.. we are pretty deep at center. OH, and no, I"ve heard NOTHING about him wanting to retire.. he just signed a one year deal with us...
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Everything I've ready about Hadnot is that he is a beast at run blocking but weaker in pass protection.
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Must have been a crazy dream....LMAO  Maybe I am having flashbacks to when Bentley went down and all of our replacements vanished on us...LMAO.... Strange...anyway.... Now if we can get another backup at the Tackle spot I will feel better. It certainly is a lot more fun for us OLine fans these days....So what lineman will we be pushing for in the first 3 rounds next year?  (of course can't say first day now since rnd 3 is now on day 2) I think we are pretty set on the interior...but we really don't need to go after an Alex Boone type of guy unless he drops in our laps. As for Bentley signing...  God I hope its the Rams ...get him out of the division and out of the conference...lol
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Everything I've ready about Hadnot is that he is a beast at run blocking but weaker in pass protection.
The key word is "weaker" but not "weak"
McKinney is a "weaker" run blocker than he was in pass protection...but it doesn't mean he sucked....
As it was said...we will know more when the pads pop....And with Lewis running...a monster run game will hide "some" deficencies in pass protection. Which is (I think) the direction the FO wants to head in.
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Well, let's see, we have Hadnot, McKinney, Tucker should be back and then thiers Friedman and of course, Stienbach..
That's 5 guys for 2 spots...
WHere do these guys project to play if they stick;
Sowells
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I don't see Hadnot nor McKinney backing up at Tackle. I don't believe Freidman has any time there either....
At this point I was hearing that they were working our Sowells at Tackle because they were thin if, God forbid, Joe went down.
With Tucker, Shaffer, and Steinbach you have to start shuffling the line which is what they would prefer not to do. Hence the work with Sowells...but that is why I just said I would like one more guy at T to make me happy...well that isn't right....I should say "happier" I am extremely happy with our OLine and with our interior depth. And in all reality I am not all hot and bothered about our backup Tackle situation with Steiny, Tuck, and Shaffers flexibility...but one more guy can push the smile even further...lol
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As for Bentley signing... God I hope its the Rams ...get him out of the division and out of the conference...lol
And to add more salt to the wound... Bentley signs with the Steelers..  which in my opinion if that did happen.. LCB will be digging his grave in Browns fans hearts more..
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LOL One more guy can push your smile further,, I think I like that thinking and I agree with it.
Just wondering, beyond Sowells, do any of the other guys that are kinda no names do anything for you?
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I am not so sure that Sowells does anything for me....  LMAO!!!! Actually, Cliff Louis has intrigued me....it would be nice if he panned out...He seems to move pretty well...but of course when you see Thomas next to anyone...pretty well goes out the window....but Louis has good size(with a frame that can be added to) and he moves well...if he can stay low, it could be a nice guy to have in a pinch. I hope I can get down this year to camp....my schedule is different as I am back on days and so I hope I get to see some of these guy bang a little....
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Try and get to camp on the weekends... I like the weekend best. More people show up and they seem a bit livelyer.. The fans that is.
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