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j/c, I'm bored, so I'm just going to keep proposing dumb deals that wouldn't work...what's more fun than day dreaming?
Minnesota Gets:
#19 pick
Both 2009 2nd round picks
Anderson Varejao
Daniel Gibson (sign and trade)
(Possibly a 2010 First round pick, if you can do this)
Cleveland Gets:
#3 Pick (O.J Mayo)
Antoine Walker
Minnesota gets rid of a bad contract, and gets a ton of young talent which they can develop. They won't be able to keep Mayo in Minnesota anyway,
Cavs get O.J Mayo, who works almost perfectly along with Lebron (great scorer who will be motivated to play defense in the Cavs scheme). We give up our big trading assets, but still have a couple expiring contracts which would allow us to get a starter quality player (if nobody special), at midseason.
I think this trade works ok for both sides, though I think Minnesota will get a better deal than this for the pick (probably Villeneuva + 8th overall or something like it)
Does anybody think this could possibly work? We really need another star quality player, and there don't seem to be many available.
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very interesting deal... but definitely one that i would take as a cavs fan...
i love boobie gibson, but oj mayo can be a difference maker, he's the second best talent in this draft, and he's arguably as good as rose...
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...but is OJ worth the price? He's got one years worth of experience in college and didn't even go very far in the tournament. I'm not realy sold on his primadonna attitude.
All of the trade talk seems to focus on Andy and some of our other expiring contracts. I get nervous when Boobie's name comes up. I'd like to keep him around.
Ferry really needs to work some magic this offseason. He can't do much in free agency or the draft.....it has to be through a trade.
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...but is OJ worth the price? He's got one years worth of experience in college and didn't even go very far in the tournament. I'm not realy sold on his primadonna attitude.
All of the trade talk seems to focus on Andy and some of our other expiring contracts. I get nervous when Boobie's name comes up. I'd like to keep him around.
Ferry really needs to work some magic this offseason. He can't do much in free agency or the draft.....it has to be through a trade.
yeah, his biggest problem is that every team right now is 0-0, and until teams start playing and falling under .500, nobody is going to want expiring contracts...
hopefully we can get a good player in the draft, sign boobie, sign delonte, and then from there, start putting together packages for teams...
but honestly, i don't see us adding that big name player until the new year...
it would be nice to get something done before training camp, so they can get any new players involved with mike brown's system...
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Tomorrow.
I don't like that deal. O'Neal is as fragile as a China doll.
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I wouldn't mind that deal since were not giving up much, Wally and AV are role players and O'Neal when healthy is a stud.
No matter what though, I'll be happy if we get rid of Softshow Bob.
I also wouldn't mind just trading the pick for cap space and making a run at a proven NBA player.
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I really like the deal....but without the pick.
With the pick, I don't like it one bit.
Edited to add: AV is strictly a role player who has no O except for a few random games...also note that the NBA is now going to fine flopping which is a large part of his game. Take the charge, flop a bit to make it look worse, and create the turnover. His energy is great but I cringe every time he has the ball at the end of the game.
Wally was in the previous deal to help us w/ contracts this year as trade bait...nothing more. He was excited to come home but never really found his groove.
So as I said, the deal as is w/out the pick is great...I'm just a little uneasy with it since we need some more young guys who can play. No matter if it goes down, lets just hope he can curb his injury bug that he has had as of late. There is no doubt he is a beast when healthy.
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If we do that deal, we HAVE to get their 1st rounder w/O'Neal in return.
I'd much rather see Brand in a Cavs uni.
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If we do that deal, we HAVE to get their 1st rounder w/O'Neal in return.
I'd much rather see Brand in a Cavs uni.
Yeah, thats too much considering his durability lately and his contract, If we keep the pick then Id do it.
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This is a terrible trade. We give up our best expiring contract (Wally) and our best trading asset (AV) and our 1st rd pick? This trade would have to include their first rounder as well due to league rules that a team has to have a 1st pick every 2 years. Since we didn't have a 1st rd pick last year, we have to have one this year. Plus JO is injury prone and getting up there in age. could he help us? Absolutely, but for how many games?
"I only had a couple of weeks to train, but I'm glad it happened because it gave me a chance to be a Browns player," Bell said.
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...too bad we can't trade up for D.J. Augustin. I'd like him running the floor with Lebron.
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You might get to see Augustin run with LBJ especially if NY or NJ drafts him, cause thats were LBJ will be when his contract expires. 
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Ha ha ha....by then I won't be watching the NBA.
If Lebron leaves, so will the Cavs (years later). We'll then accept an NHL franchise to replace the aforementioned team. I've always thought Cleveland was more "hockey" than "basketball".
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I've always thought Cleveland was more "hockey" than "basketball".
when was the last time we had a NHL team in Cleveland?
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I'm glad you found the humor in my comment, though I think it is possible LBJ may leave he might not if we get him that second "punch" he needs. We have pieces to the puzzle, we just need to add one like a Brand, Areneas, etc... To keep him around.
LBJ needs his Pippen. One man can't do it himself. This is something I think we all can agree with, well at least I hope.
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With Jermaine O'Neal's injury history and his contract, a trade for him just smacks of desperation to me.
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Ha ha ha....by then I won't be watching the NBA.
If Lebron leaves, so will the Cavs (years later). We'll then accept an NHL franchise to replace the aforementioned team. I've always thought Cleveland was more "hockey" than "basketball".
to be honest, i think cleveland would love an nhl squad...
and the only time cleveland had an nhl team was the year (or few years) that the barons were part of the nhl...
i don't know if it would happen though, there are nhl teams so close... pittsburgh, detroit, columbus, etc..
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*also that deal still leaves us room for another trade or good cap space for next year, because we still have the expiring deals of damon jones, eric snow, and joe smith (which brian windhorst confirmed he is a free agent after next season)
could you imagine if danny ferry could pull in both jermaine oneal, and a michael redd?
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*also that deal still leaves us room for another trade or good cap space for next year, because we still have the expiring deals of damon jones, eric snow, and joe smith (which brian windhorst confirmed he is a free agent after next season)
could you imagine if danny ferry could pull in both jermaine oneal, and a michael redd?
who would we trade for redd in that scenario?
I don't mind the deal that much, I don't even think of it as a risk/reward type deal, because I don't see how it could make our team much worse next year, we'll make it to the playoffs even if O'Neal doesn't play much, and if he's rested and healthy, he'll be a big tool in the playoffs....
I don't like giving up the first round pick though. I was hoping we could save that pick to either get a young big, or in the case of getting a Jermaine O'Neal, getting a player like Augustin who could pace the offense. I also would love to have something to trade for Kirk Heinrich/Mo Williams/TJ Ford, since I think we still need somebody to pace this team offensively and allow LeBron to play off the ball more.
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What is the deal with the over-moderating going on here now a days? I posted about a Andy / Al Harrington trade that was reported by a NYT writer and it gets deleted? http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242008/sports/its_draft_y_in_here__116871.htm?page=2I understand the need to avoid "rumors" but a writer reporting something (with a link) does indeed qualify as having a source. 
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could you imagine if danny ferry could pull in both jermaine oneal, and a michael redd?
THAT'S THE DEAL...
We can go after an Oneal or Brand all we want...We SUCK at the 2 Guard spot...
Anything we do MUST have a bonafide STUD at the SG spot for any Championship to come here...We gotta get Bron outta this BS of tossing up 3's every game...I wanna see this kid LOW almost all the time...NOONE can stop him posted up...He's unstoppable going to the hoop...The 3's gotta stop...
Without the SG that can drain it Bron would be collapsed on...
Pavlovick ain't gonna get it and Gibson's best spot is coming off the bench for 30 a night...
This can be done...And it really don't include this 19th pick...We need TWO moves...Let the pick go and get someone...Then utilize the expiring's and get another...And we're there...This years trade set us up perfectly for future moves...
LJ...Brand and Redd would be solid...Brand and Davis even better...How bout Oneal and either...Regardless...Can we go with THREE MAX's???...I'm just not sure about that...I'd CAN the Oneal and Brand idea and go for the OUTSIDE...Baron Davis and that's it...
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What is the deal with the over-moderating going on here now a days? I posted about a Andy / Al Harrington trade that was reported by a NYT writer and it gets deleted?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242008/sports/its_draft_y_in_here__116871.htm?page=2
I understand the need to avoid "rumors" but a writer reporting something (with a link) does indeed qualify as having a source.
Not a thing wrong with that...Thanks for posting Nas... 
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i don't see what the problem is with posting rumors...
i mean, as long as you specify that it is purely a rumor, i don't see how there is a problem...
and as far as our weakness at the 2, we are also weak down low, we used to be one of the best, but i don't know what has happened, and i refuse to believe it is z getting old, or the loss of drew gooden... whatever it is, we don't hang our hat on our frontcourt play
elton brand could change a lot of things with the cavs, he can instantly make other guys better... i'm telling you, the guy is a walking 20&10 every single night...
the sg position has been our weak spot for years, and we do need a guy who can put the ball on the floor, and take the load off lebron...
you can argue all day about whether we need a low post guy, or a 2 guard, but the honest reality is we need both...
elton brand, jermaine o'neal, michael redd, baron davis, gilbert arenas...
you can pick and choose, but ANY of these guys would make us a ton better...
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according to yahoo sports, jermaine o'neal is on the verge of going to the raptors for tj ford and their pick (17)
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I'm glad you found the humor in my comment, though I think it is possible LBJ may leave he might not if we get him that second "punch" he needs. We have pieces to the puzzle, we just need to add one like a Brand, Areneas, etc... To keep him around.
LBJ needs his Pippen. One man can't do it himself. This is something I think we all can agree with, well at least I hope.
Well, it's not that I found humor in your comment. The idea of losing Lebron would crush my heart as well as crush the Cavs chances of staying in Cleveland (before Lebron, the Q was a ghost town).
I'm learning to accept that he might leave. Heck, I might leave too. If Ferry can build him a supporting cast in all the years he's here, why would he want to stay forever? I know, I know...he wants to be the guy to bring Cleveland a championship but if Ferry can't give him the pieces then I don't blame him for moving on. And heck, if he's always wanted to play for the Knicks, Bulls or Hawks.....who am I to say he can't follow his dream. He's brought Cleveland so much already.
Agent Zero isn't the answer. His own team better played with him on the bench this past season. He's not the guy we need. We need a PG or a dominant scoring option to ease pressure off Lebron.
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j/k
What was the difference between last year beating Detroit in the conference finals and last year losing to SA/ this year losing to Boston?
Anyone to hit an open 3 pointer. Boobie went off against Detroit and we won. vs SA and vs Boston we had absolutely nobody who could hit the open 3. With Lebron, defenses collapse the middle. He is still able to penetrate. Bt when he dishes someone/anyone needs to hit the open 3. We have nobody to rely on.
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according to yahoo sports, jermaine o'neal is on the verge of going to the raptors for tj ford and their pick (17)
Sources: Pacers agree to O'Neal-for-Ford swap with Raptors
ESPN.com news services
Updated: June 25, 2008, 8:52 PM ET
On the eve of the NBA draft, the Toronto Raptors and Indiana Pacers finally agreed to a trade.
Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that the Pacers and the Raptors have agreed to a deal that, pending physicals, would send Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto in exchange for T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick in Thursday's NBA draft.
Ford's contract makes him a "base-year compensation" player, meaning the trade cannot be completed until July 9.
O'Neal had surgery in April 2007 to repair torn meniscus cartilage in his left knee. He came back to start this season but occasionally played through swelling and pain. Before the Pacers announced his most recent injury, O'Neal said the knee hadn't fully healed from the procedure.
O'Neal played in only 42 games last year and at one point missed 33 straight games before returning to the lineup on March 31. He had his worst season with the Pacers since 2000-01 as he averaged 13.6 ppg and 6.8 rpg after averaging 19.4 ppg and 9.6 rpg in 2006-07. Team officials recently told the Indianapolis Star that O'Neal, a five-time All-Star, and his knee are healthy.
He was the star of the Pacers' team in 2003-04 that won 61 games and reached the Eastern Conference finals. But he was also involved in the Pacers-Pistons brawl at the Palace at Auburn Hills in 2004 that caused a meltdown of the Pacers that season and put the team in a funk from which it hasn't recovered. Since that 61-win season, the Pacers have missed the playoffs the last two years and haven't won more than 44 games in a season.
Ford has a history of neck injuries that began his rookie year. He collided with Minnesota's Mark Madsen on a drive to the basket on Feb. 24, 2004 and had to be carted off the court on a stretcher after injuring his tailbone. Ford missed the entire 2004-05 season and his backup, Mo Williams, emerged as a possible candidate for the starting job. Ford played in 72 games for Milwaukee in 2005-06 season as the Bucks made the playoffs, but he was traded to Toronto after the season for the Bucks' Charlie Villanueva and cash.
In his first season with Toronto, Ford played in 75 games, averaging a career-high 14.0 ppg and 7.9 apg as the Raptors won the Atlantic Division for the first time in team history. Last season, Ford missed 13 games with a neck injury after Atlanta's Al Horford knocked him to the ground on a breakaway layup. Throughout the season, backup Jose Calderon proved more than adequate and took advantage of Ford's injury to land the role as the Raptors' favored starter.
Nesterovic averaged 7.8 ppg and 4.8 rpg last year, but went from a regular starter for Toronto in his first year to a backup last year.
O'Neal is set to make $21 million this season and $23 million in 2009-10. Ford has $25 million and three years left on his contract.
The Pacers will now hold the 11th and 17th picks in Thursday night's draft while the Raptors will not have any selections.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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....Good let them deal with O' Neal 's injury history....We Must upgrade , but I am glad we didn't push to make that deal....
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All the suddon the Raps turn into a pretty good team IF Oneal can remain healthy. IF he can stay healthy you gotta think that him and Bosh can really do some damage since they already have a good point guard (Calderon) as well as a good bench scorer (Kapono). Calderon is VERY underrated around the league, and he is really gonna be the key. Calderon is a guy that I wanted the Cavs to get last summer through a trade. If Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon can play their roles well, this team will be a pretty decent squad, especially in the East.
Keep in mind that Oneal will be rejuvenated knowing he is on a team that can win....
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Just to add on here and touch on the Cavs draft.
I have been very disappointed at what I am hearing out of the Cavaliers camp...
I keep hearing they are set on going big. The biggest mistake they can make is not to take the best overall player. Not the best overall big, the best overall PLAYER.
Should be interesting, wouldn't be surprised if somehow we end up with an early second round pick as well...
I really do not want to see Koufos in a Cavs uniform...
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Cavs have been talking with the Bobcats about a trade involving Ray Felton and Adam Morrison.
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Where did you hear that?
Bringing in Felton would be awesome, even if you have to bring a hobo on the bench along with him.
We just have to not let felton shoot much.
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Devil, POST this stuff!!!
Eh, I guess it doesn't matter as I am out for the day so I wouldnt see it anyway.
I will be back in front of my TV for the draft tonite...
Hoping for some exciting news!
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