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Just looked at ESPN's mock draft ... they had Hickson going 21st, so he's not even a "reach". Here's what they said in the mock draft: Quote:
The skinny: If the Nets grab a skinny project with their first pick, they might look to add some muscle with their second pick. Hickson is one of the more NBA-ready guys in the draft. Cal's Ryan Anderson is also a possibility here.
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Hey now, let's keep an open mind. If the price is right, I have no problem adding D-Line depth 
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If the guy was a bench warmer for OSU this board would be saying we did a great job. The kid is a solid player though isn't the answer for the franchise.  Seriously though, if Ferry doesn't make a move and get LBJ some instant help come next season, LBJ will eventually leave Cleveland and go to a team that truly cares about winning a championship now. The problem is I really think Ferry thinks he has the talent to get to the NBA Finals with the players he has, because of our fluke appearance two years ago, and that tells me that Ferry is nothing more then an average judge of talent at best. Get someone legit to help LBJ Fire Mike Brown and bring in real coach like Avery Johnson. If not LBJ will be gone and no one will care about Cleveland basketball just like the city did prior to LBJ being our draft pick, and if he leaves I don't blame him. It just sucks that Cleveland is loaded with bandwagon fans, and in the long run it wouldn't shock me on bit if the franchise decided to move to another city that would appreciate the luxury of having a professional sports franchise.
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Can't believe CDR is still on the board. C'mon Ferry give up cash and next years 2nd rounder and trade.
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This (Ferry) buffoon could fall into a pile of boobs and come out sucking his thumb. 
Huh? Wanna bet on these guy's careers?
Hickson is going to be a much better pro then Koufus...plus, he's going to play immediately IMO. He's going to get minutes once we ship AV out of town. 
Hickson went for 15 and 9 in the SEC and set an ACC freshman record with 23 rebounds in a game. He's athletic and can give us some added scoring. Will be a great fit next to LBJ. He's a finisher, imagine that! A guy that will throw it down over top of someone instead of blowing wide open layups (Sandy).
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The only thing that worries me is that they question his work ethic. Then again its ESPN.
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The only thing that worries me is that they question his work ethic. Then again its ESPN.
The thing we have working for us is LBJ. Having a great player that isn't going to tolerate guys not playing as hard as they can cannot be overlooked. Should be a great influence on a young guy like Hickson.
He needs to work a bit on his jumpshot but his back to the basket game does remind me a bit of Antawn Jamison coming out of college.
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So I'm wondering what we would have had to give up to move to #40 in the second round?
Chris Douglas Roberts was still on the board and was taken by the Nets. I'm sure we wouldn't have had to give up too much to land a pick that late in the draft. Hopefully Ferry still has something left up his sleeve.
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Portland keeps getting better they got bayless, arthur, dorsey and asik. At worse your looking at good bench players. Portland will be very scary in a few years. To bad they had to get rid of jaret jack.
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I was on the campus of NC State this afternoon... woooHOOOOO.... I hope Hickson is a stud, I might get some Cavs games on television...  I'll tell you who he reminded me of last year.. a slightly less polished Carlos Boozer because he was only a freshman.. similar build, similar skill set to what Boozer had at Duke only not nearly the talent around him....
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I read somewhere that he's being compared to Chris Wilcox, which if healthy will put up solid numbers eventually. The key to his success will be based on how long it will take him to develop into an NBA player, most reports I seen stated he should have at least stayed one more year in school, so with that being said I don't see him getting tons of minutes this year unless we have some injuries, if not I think he'll average only 10-12 minutes a game. I hope he pans out, but doubt will know his actual NBA value soon. I think in 2 to 3 years will know more. As for his work ethic I would blame that on his pot use since most potheads are plain lazy.
I still question Ferry's ability as a GM, his track record is iffy at best in my eyes so far.
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I still question Ferry's ability as a GM, his track record is iffy at best in my eyes so far.
And I bring this up EVERY time someone whines about Ferry. What do you expect him to do?? You think other teams are jumping at the chance to take our bad contracts and low draft picks?? 
Like either Nas or Lebron said ... we probably won't be able to do much damage until the trading deadline. That's when that $30 million in expiring contracts is going to look really attractive to a team looking to pack it in for the year and rebuild.
Other than that, Ferry has always been hamstrung. The one year he had free agent money, he went out and signed the top free agent and the two best three point shooters. (Too bad it was a horrible year for free agency and we got Larry Hughes, Marshall and Jones). Outside of that, he's had NO draft picks and NO tradeable talent (Thanks Paxson!). The one draft pick he did have in the last few years ... he got Gibson in the second round!! (Fresh/Soph All-star Game MVP).
The first opportunity he had to make a trade, he made us better and more flexable ... and got rid of Larry Hughes in the process. No way do we come within one basket of knocking off the eventual champions with Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden. Now we've got a potential starting point guard for the future, a reliable bench guy like Smith, and $30 million in expiring contracts which makes us THE player for this year's trading deadline.
Some of you just expect him to pull some rediculous miracle, 10 cents on the dollar trade and get Dwight Howard for Eric Snow, Damon Jones and a couple draft picks.
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I think the cavs need to look at chris lofton. The guy is a very good shooter.
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I'll tell you who he reminded me of last year.. a slightly less polished Carlos Boozer because he was only a freshman.. similar build, similar skill set to what Boozer had at Duke only not nearly the talent around him....
That is a fair comparison.
My thoughts on him are a solid inside guy who is strong....he reminds me of Dennis Rodman..I think the guy is going to get inside and get a boatload of rebounds and tip ins...the kid is strong and works to get his position.
He will play in the paint on both ends of the court.
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It looks like Ferry was looking for the best PF available. I didnt think Jason thompson and Mareese Speights would both be off the board. In regards to the cavs getting a front court player, I really wanted Thompson. His biggest concern to me was his free throw shooting.
Courtney Lee would have been nice to upgrade the SG position. I would like to see Lebron work with another wingman that would make opposing teams have to gameplan against.
Hickson had a better Freshman campaign then both big men I was looking at. Thompson went around 12 to Sacramento and Speights went a couple picks before the Cavs. He is small for PF but he plays like an athletic Center. But hes 6 9'. David West from Xavier dropped big time because he was around the same height and played center in college. New Orleans is happy with his play. Hopefully Hickson develops a little faster.
Im suprised more of you dont check in at CBSsportsline.com. Its better then ESPN. They have a great in depth anylisist of each player with their career college stats, positives and negatives. CBSsportsline has him compared to Al Jefferson.
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Does anyone else think that Courtney Lee will have a better career then Eric Gorden? Gorden reminds me of Ben Gorden. A small SG who would be best coming off the bench and score 30 points in the second half. Thats if his shot is on. I think Ben Gorden is also better going to the basket then Eric Gorden.
Coutney Lee was compared to Ray Allen on CBSsportsline.com. I think that is a little generous. I think Courtney Lee will be more of a team player then Allen was when he was younger, but will not kill teams with his 3 point accuracy like Allen does. Having Lee on the Cavs would have made them a whole differant team, a better team. He is team first, like Lebron. Will be a good player who wouldnt mind being Lebrons "Robin".
Ferry better find a suitor for Varajon, Wallace or Smith. Now he has 6 front court players with Jones, Z, Varajon, Wallace, Smith, and now Hickson.
Lee would have been an upgrade, and possibley the BPA, to the SGs on this team now. Brown and Pavlovic dont make opposing teams gameplan them. They get their highlights because Lebron gets all the focus. They dont take any focus off of Lebron. Lee would have been a good enough swingman that Lebron needs. It would have given him a better reason to stay once his contract is up.
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Ferry better find a suitor for Varajon, Wallace or Smith. Now he has 6 front court players with Jones, Z, Varajon, Wallace, Smith, and now Hickson.
WTF??? I was just looking to see if the Cavs did anything in the second round, and read that they acquired the rights for another undersized PF at 6 8' (no great stats in college) and a center with no offensive game (which the Cavs dont need to win a championship. Jordan never needed one).
How did the Cavs lose their second round pick to Phoenix? If they would have kept it, they could have had a similiar player that was picked at that spot in Hendrix. Plus they could have had Lee in the first. Ferry better hope Hickson does anything or he completely flopped in this draft.
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i have not seen much of this hickson guy play, but i just watched some highlights of his... i like the way he plays, if he can translate that to the nba, we got ourselves a pretty decent player...
mark jackson loved the pick, and i think he has great insight on the nba..
considering we were manhandled by boston in the paint last may, i totally understand this pick, there were some other players i thought we might've went after, but i'm not angry about this pick...
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Ferry better find a suitor for Varajon, Wallace or Smith. Now he has 6 front court players with Jones, Z, Varajon, Wallace, Smith, and now Hickson.
WTF??? I was just looking to see if the Cavs did anything in the second round, and read that they acquired the rights for another undersized PF at 6 8' (no great stats in college) and a center with no offensive game (which the Cavs dont need to win a championship. Jordan never needed one).
How did the Cavs lose their second round pick to Phoenix? If they would have kept it, they could have had a similiar player that was picked at that spot in Hendrix. Plus they could have had Lee in the first. Ferry better hope Hickson does anything or he completely flopped in this draft.
Can't answer your question on the pick, but going into the draft we didn't have a 2nd rounder, so whatever happened, happened a while back.
We actually picked up 2 Kansas guys (F & C) - here's the link from the Cavs site.
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/arthur_kaun_080626.html
and their profiles
http://www.nba.com/draft2008/profiles/DarnellJackson.html
http://www.nba.com/draft2008/profiles/SashaKaun.html
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Some of you just expect him to pull some ridiculous miracle, 10 cents on the dollar trade and get Dwight Howard for Eric Snow, Damon Jones and a couple draft picks.
I don't feel or think that way because those trades would be outlandish. I know were under the cap, and hope that Ferry can get LBJ some help, if not Ferry could go down as the guy who wasn't able to provide the help LBJ needs and be labeled the guy who ran LBJ out of town, which is a huge worry for any Cav's fan plus I would love for him to make some moves which help us, and close the stigma attached with him and being a GM.
I won't change my opinion on Mike Brown though, the plays he calls at times are ridiculous especially when he runs the get the ball to LBJ offense and everyone just stand around.
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Another guy with upside....Let's hope that are 2 new guys step up ASAP....Come on Mr. Ferry it's time to keep on keeping on....We are Definitely in need of further upgrades  ....
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Since SG is a big need now. What do you guys think of bringing in Bonzi Wells in for a vet minimum contract? There isnt much out there at the position. Im not sure what the Cavs cap space is to go after Gilbert Arenas. Not sure he would want to come here anyways.
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I won't change my opinion on Mike Brown though, the plays he calls at times are ridiculous especially when he runs the get the ball to LBJ offense and everyone just stand around.
I am not the the biggest MB fan, but the thing is, he isn't always really calling the plays. Sure, out of a time out, it will be a play he calls. Generally in the heat of the action, an NBA coach will call out a "framework." (see the "triangle" offense) From that framework it is either the point guard's or in our case LBJ's responsibility to call the "play" within the framework. This is why it generally takes a PG awhile to adjust to a new team. He has to learn the frameworks first and foremost, then the best plays to run within the framework given the other teams defense and situation.
My biggest beef with Brown is the "framework" piece. When I watch other teams, it seems they have more "frameworks" than we do. As a coach, you don't want it to be too confusing for the players, but to me, he sticks with the same "frameworks" too often, thus making it predictable to defend..
The reason a bad ass offensive asst would be so good, is that he would bring new "frameworks" for Brown to run...
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Since SG is a big need now. What do you guys think of bringing in Bonzi Wells in for a vet minimum contract? There isnt much out there at the position. Im not sure what the Cavs cap space is to go after Gilbert Arenas. Not sure he would want to come here anyways.
Brown is a FA.Let Brown go.
If Bonzi's head is on straight, I'd be up for it. He spent many a year here in Portland and, while really talented, was a bit of a headcase - thus the reason they got rid of him.
I recall him cursing at the coach and being pulled from games, flipping off fans, struck an official, I think he was arrested once or twice... But, as I said, he was very talented.
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i'll ask again, tell me a coach who can make this offense better..
let's wait until mike brown gets a better roster, because i don't blame him as much as i blame wally, sasha, etc..
and a lot of the times, lebron changes the play that mike brown calls, because he is the only guy who can create after putting the ball on the floor
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WTF??? I was just looking to see if the Cavs did anything in the second round, and read that they acquired the rights for another undersized PF at 6 8' (no great stats in college) and a center with no offensive game (which the Cavs dont need to win a championship. Jordan never needed one).
Kahn is in the Ben Wallace mold. He's a big banger (6'11'', 250 LBS) who can rebound and block shots. He even has the ability to score some with his back to the basket. He signed a contract in Russia so we can allow him to develop and then potentially sign him to a contract to fill a backup C role in the future.
I disagree on Jackson. No great college stats? Did you see him play at all? He was logging minutes in a crowded front court and was averaging 11 points, 7 rebounds in 24 minutes a game while shooting 64% from the floor. Not sure what else you want from a guy who may potentially come off your bench? He has contributing role player written all over him.
As for the second round picks, they are worthless IMO. We're going to be picking at the bottom of each round for the foreseeable future. Guys that we would take 50th overall (or lower) are probably going to make the roster 1 out of 10 times. You can find those same guys in the D-League or as UDFA.
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Are people really expecting us to find a big-name college superstar in the 2nd round of the draft?
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I'll tell you who he reminded me of last year.. a slightly less polished Carlos Boozer because he was only a freshman.. similar build, similar skill set to what Boozer had at Duke only not nearly the talent around him....
I thought the exact same thing. In fact, I had to scroll up because I thought I had already mentioned that he reminded me of a slightly slimmer Boozer. Hickson is a freshman though, so he might have more room to grow. But he's got the same kind of inside offensive power game ... something we've really lacked since Boozer left. Z, Gooden, Smith, Wallace and Andy have all either been spot shooters or an offensive liability.
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I don't feel or think that way because those trades would be outlandish. I know were under the cap, and hope that Ferry can get LBJ some help, if not Ferry could go down as the guy who wasn't able to provide the help LBJ needs and be labeled the guy who ran LBJ out of town, which is a huge worry for any Cav's fan plus I would love for him to make some moves which help us, and close the stigma attached with him and being a GM.
We're NOT under the cap ... not by a longshot. The only thing we do have is tradeable expiring contracts, and those won't come into play until around January. I would love for him to make some moves as well, but I'm also a realist. He's had nothing to work with trade-wise since he started. Paxson set this team back 4 years with his dealings.
Ferry hasn't done anything to really hurt this team. His worst moves to date were signing Z to a large extention (which LeBron WANTED), and signing Hughes, Jones and Marshall to large contracts. At the time, those were the best free agents on the market. Everybody would of called for his head had he sat on $20 million of cap space and signed nobody ... which in retrospect could of been the best move.
He hasn't made any killer trades (see: Thomas, Isiah and Wallace, Chris) and the trades he has made have helped us. The ONE draft that he can be graded on, he did well. He got Shannon Brown at 20 or so, who was considered a top 10 pick ... and then in the second round, he got the guy he was going to pick originally in Gibson. Gibson's turned out just fine, and Shannon Brown helped get us Delonte West.
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Mike Brown I can tend to agree with you on, although it's the point guard that calls plays. Brown just designs the system, which hasn't been that great. However, it's defense that wins championships ... just look at the last few Champions.
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Are people really expecting us to find a big-name college superstar in the 2nd round of the draft?
It seems that way. It happens on occasion but it's a rarity. Kind of like everyone looking for the next Tom Brady.
Given how few players are on each team (and the quality of those already in the league) I would guess only around 8-10 guys from every draft stick in the league long term (5+ seasons).
If you're a good team and can find 1 guy every other year that develops in to a capable NBA player, that's really all you can ask for. That's been our main problem. Aside from LeBron, in the last 12 years we've only had 1 #1 pick stay with us. That being Big Z. That's why we're in this position. We have 2 homegrown players in 12 seasons that are still with the team. Imagine where we would be if we had hit in 6 of those 12 years.
I know we didn't have DP's in all of them but it's easy to see why we're in the situation we're in with the roster. Everyone wants to blame Ferry but he's cleaning up a decade worth of mess. It takes time to add talent and shed salary. People want to pin that on Ferry but he didn't make those draft (bust) selections and he also didn't trade away all the future picks that got us to this point. I have no doubt he'll make a deal but it may not be until the trade deadline. He finally has some tradeable assets so he's not going to just flush them on the first offer that comes his way. He'll take his time and try to get some really good value in return. The proverbial magic wand that some think he has is just completely unrealistic
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Believe it when I see it.
Thers always stuff like this flying around right after the draft.
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If this turns out to be true, even with a future pick, this would be a STEAL! 
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Your damn right it would be a steal!
We're not that lucky for something like this to happen. If we pulled off this trade we would win a championship for the next few years for sure.
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I agree....
By the way, i got Munch going on streaming audio on my comp, the guy is still a clown...
How this guy has the drive time show is just ridiculous...
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