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There are people on death row that were convicted purely on "circumstantial evidence".
There are hundreds of thousands dead and millions of refugees from Iraq based on "circumstantial evidence".
Why should he be treated any better than how he has ran his war policy?
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There are people on death row that were convicted purely on "circumstantial evidence".
There are hundreds of thousands dead and millions of refugees from Iraq based on "circumstantial evidence".
Why should he be treated any better than how he has ran his war policy?
I'm simply letting you know that the people you are trying to convince that Bush did this or that will not change their mind set with out hard evidence. And you won't change your mind set about Bush until the people you debate against can give you hard evidence that says Bush didn't know.
The real problem isn't Bush. The real problem is that politics is no longer about whats good for the country, but whats good for the politicians. And that goes for Dems and Reps.
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The real problem isn't Bush. The real problem is that politics is no longer about whats good for the country, but whats good for the politicians. And that goes for Dems and Reps.
On this part, we couldn't agree more.
But many of the very same people who uphold the current administration, are very quick often times to judge others such as athletes, actors/actresses or people from the opposition much more harshly based on far less evidence.
It would really be pretty funny if it weren't so damned pathetic.
I must say that this administration has done more to undermine our civil liberties than any other in my lifetime. And I really don't see that changing much no matter who is elected.
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Funny how that works, Pit, since you are the biggest offender of what you call "pathetic". Look at how you accuse Bush of so much on "circumstantial" evidence, but then defend Obama's relationships with bigots and a terroist. Yet you call others pathetic for tactics you use yourself.  You know, like when you defended Obama when it came out that he was linked to a terrorist and a bigot, but then claimed that people are judged by the company they keep when someone on McCain's staff said something controversial. Yep, you're right, Pit, it's pathetic. It's even more pathetic to be a hypocrite.
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Do unto others before they do it to you.  Just following the example you have set for us Coach. 
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Ahh, and now you resort to lying. Priceless. 
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I don't have to lie. People can read.
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Yes, they can. That's why they know you are lying and are always hypocritical. Some things never change. Go ahead and get the last word, your immaturity demands it. Just remember what your sig says (too bad you don't practice what you preach).
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I'm simply letting you know that the people you are trying to convince that Bush did this or that will not change their mind set with out hard evidence.
I don't think it should take much for people to realize that the guy has been wrong on nearly every single aspect of the Iraq war.
Why do we get into this debate of whether or not he lied or not? He either lied or he's incompetent. Either way, he should be fired.
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Gas prices have gone up 400+% in less than 10 years.. the demand hasnt risen 400% and we have alot of oil left on the planet. This is all oil company BS.
Think Bush had nothing to do with this? You're kidding yourselves.
Gas and oil keeps going up even after Saudi Arabia said they would put out more oil. Scary!
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Gas prices have gone up 400+% in less than 10 years.. the demand hasnt risen 400% and we have alot of oil left on the planet. This is all oil company BS.
Think Bush had nothing to do with this? You're kidding yourselves.
Gas and oil keeps going up even after Saudi Arabia said they would put out more oil. Scary!
Bush did try to drill for more oil, build more refinerys and Nuke Plants. You Dems didn't allow that Ammo, so enjoy yourselves at the pumps.
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I'm simply letting you know that the people you are trying to convince that Bush did this or that will not change their mind set with out hard evidence.
I don't think it should take much for people to realize that the guy has been wrong on nearly every single aspect of the Iraq war.
Why do we get into this debate of whether or not he lied or not? He either lied or he's incompetent. Either way, he should be fired.
And congress is incompetent too. They gave him the power. Thats Dems and Reps.
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Gas prices have gone up 400+% in less than 10 years.. the demand hasnt risen 400% and we have alot of oil left on the planet. This is all oil company BS.
Have you ever taken a basic economics course??
Demand HAS increased considerably ... especially in developing countries like India and China. While it's not 400%, it is considerable.
And Demand is only half the equation. Supply is the other half, and producing oil is not that simple. When the easy sources dry up, you have to go to the harder to reach areas. It's not as simple as plugging a hole in the ground, and pumping until the world goes dry. The smaller the supply, the harder and more costly it is to increase production to meet the increasing demand. I don't know where you get the idea that there's still "plenty of oil left in the ground" ... people are talking about "peak oil" being right around the corner.
And that leads to the third problem ... oil speculators. And that's a big part of the problem. People are buying oil like a stock, expecting it to really jump if we do hit peak oil in the near future. However, like the housing market, this could be another huge bubble market. If people are buying oil just because they see the price go up, which leads to other people jumping on the bandwagon to buy more oil ... this could possilby lead to oil crashing down in price, once everyone starts selling.
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Think Bush had nothing to do with this? You're kidding yourselves.
LMFAO! You think Bush has something to do with this?? This is a GLOBAL issue, effecting everybody! Bush can't do crap to effect the global market price. You forget how powerless the position of President really is. He can't really do anything without authorization of Congress. And even if he could, it would only really effect the national price of gasoline. So, what exactly is Bush doing to raise oil prices? And give me something better than, "Well he's tied to oil companies ... and he's President!".
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Gas prices have gone up 400+% in less than 10 years.. the demand hasnt risen 400% and we have alot of oil left on the planet. This is all oil company BS.
Think Bush had nothing to do with this? You're kidding yourselves.
Gas and oil keeps going up even after Saudi Arabia said they would put out more oil. Scary!
Here's a clue: stick to your damn college studies and keep your nose out of things you have no freaking clue about, as evidenced by your most recent post.
Do you honestly think the Pres. of the U.S. dictates oil prices? Do you have no concept of incresed demand from the U.S., from India, from China, and many other countries? If ignorance is bliss, you're probably sitting at home playing with your tallywacker. Idiocy should not be allowed, but I understand, you're close to graduating college with a degree that doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
Get off the liberal "Bush screwed us" wagon and wake up and realize that this is the way it is today. Bush has not helped this situation, nor has he hampered it. People like you, that think that the U.S. is the only user of oil.........hell, it makes me puke.
For people to think that the U.S. dictates the price of oil is idiocy at it's finest. Ever hear about the European countries paying well over $9 per gallon? Hell no you haven't. You joined the idiot bandwagon that says Bush is to blame.
Freaking idiots. I'm ashamed to think you are college educated and can't figure this simple equation out. Pathetic.
Yeah, it's all Bush. He controls the oil market.
Part of me wants Obama to win the election so you can see what HE does for the country. If you blame Bush for high oil prices I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say if Obama get's elected. You think the job market is tight now? (well, it is for people that have no skills), wait til the big O taxes the hell out of people that work for a living.
If you get your way, you'll get your comeuppance. Sad thing is, so will the rest of our country, and trust me, the money havers are going to take their money out of this country. Then, you'll see.
Bush controlling oil prices......that is flat out the dumbest thing I have seen on this board.
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Did I say it was entirely him? Hell no.
I fully understand gas should be higher due to the supply/demand curve, I'm not an idiot.
But I also have a feeling his buddies are manipulating the system and he's turning a blind eye to it. Same thing happened when Daddy was in office. When Clinton came in, prices went down.
Just like the peanuts scenario under the Carter Administration.
FYI, I'm sure as hell no Democrat, I'm just fed up with cronie capitalism and corruption...and this has been the most cronie capitalist and corrupt administration in history.
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But I also have a feeling his buddies are manipulating the system and he's turning a blind eye to it. Same thing happened when Daddy was in office.
So why isn't Congress doing anything?? They're a Democratic majority and, you know ... actually write the laws and regulations in the first place. The only solution they've come up with is a "windfall profit tax", which anyone with an actual business acumen knows would do effall. Hand out bigger paychecks to yourself, increase some company perks, and suddenly there's no windfall to tax. The only people that would get hurt are the stock owners ... which is basically anyone with a 401k.
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So refresh my memory ... exactly what peice of legislation did Clinton enact to bring down gas prices?
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Who are you going to blame next year when Bush is gone and oil prices continue to rise?
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I fully understand gas should be higher due to the supply/demand curve, I'm not an idiot.
But I also have a feeling his buddies are manipulating the system and he's turning a blind eye to it.
I don't think you do understand supply and demand.
And if yoiu think Bush and his "buddies" are running the oil prices...........geez how damn dumb can you get?
You think Bush and his cronies told China to jack up their usage of il? Or india?
So Saudi Arabia is thinking about pumping more oil. Funny thing is, some damn dem in congress said if the u.s. pumps an extra 500,000 barrels it wouldn't affect prices, but if the Saudi's pump some extra it will?
Sorry ammo, your grasp of reality is severely lacking. Sorry to be the one to bust your chops about that, but son, live in the real world.
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I fully understand gas should be higher due to the supply/demand curve, I'm not an idiot.
But I also have a feeling his buddies are manipulating the system and he's turning a blind eye to it.
I don't think you do understand supply and demand.
And if yoiu think Bush and his "buddies" are running the oil prices...........geez how damn dumb can you get?
You think Bush and his cronies told China to jack up their usage of il? Or india?
So Saudi Arabia is thinking about pumping more oil. Funny thing is, some damn dem in congress said if the u.s. pumps an extra 500,000 barrels it wouldn't affect prices, but if the Saudi's pump some extra it will?
Sorry ammo, your grasp of reality is severely lacking. Sorry to be the one to bust your chops about that, but son, live in the real world.
I voted Dem in the last election and I'm kicking myself. I'm voting McCain for real. Most Browns fans I know are also Republican or moderate. I'm a more "moderate" republican. For some reason the country I came from--the Philippines--tends to vote "republican" in their system of government set up over there. Gloria Arroyo is a moderate republican as well. I think the Dems have NO shot at winning this election--can you say '90 Super Bowl (49ers over Broncos, 55-10). It's going to be a freaking blowout.
As for there not being any jobs out there I think there ARE you just have to work hard and get lucky and know how to network. I don't think the economy sucks THAT badly--yet. The key is knowing the right people, working hard and getting lucky. And, unlike me, NOT going into a writing field.
Oil started going up in the summer of '03 because India/China came online and wanted higher standards of living. By thanksgiving it was $1.53 a gallon. I think the US needs to get used to a lower standard of living. I don't blame bush because if it was his fault then why wasn't oil about 1.50 in 9/11? It was very cheap when I started driving in '01.
Ammo, if the world started to collapse would you be able to live without your Wii, your expensive cell phone, etc. etc. ?  The key is now is to live simply so that if the US ever suffered an economic collapse you'd be able to be mobile and live off the land by your self and without material goods other than food or water.
I'm not a big Bush lover--I disagree with him on some war things. But I think some aspects of the war were correct. I studied this stuff as early as '96 under Clinton--when the other High Schoolers at lunch were gossipping I was reading on the no-fly zones in Kuwait and how Saddam was repressing his people. I felt in '03 that it was a good thing that we were going to war and maybe ending it once and for all. I have studied cold war history as well and love it. That's why I'm not *totally* against this war. The playcalling is there but the execution isn't.
(From a Browns perspective it's like when we got Dilfer, Andruzzi, Coleman in '05). We wanted to establish an identity and a scheme--and no, it didn't work, just as the Iraq war is still in progress--but the key is you can see we came up with a plan of action and not a mishmash of different ideals/schemes for the war or the Browns' 05 offense.
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Thanks for clarifying that. 
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I fully understand gas should be higher due to the supply/demand curve, I'm not an idiot.
But I also have a feeling his buddies are manipulating the system and he's turning a blind eye to it. Same thing happened when Daddy was in office. When Clinton came in, prices went down.
Prices did not go down simply because Bill Clinton was in office and magically waved his presidential wand.....it's probably difficult for you to understand some of this stuff since you were how old when Clinton got in as well as left the oval office????? I'm not saying that you can't grasp what went down back then due to your age, because most of the info is available to reference, but methinks you are picking and choosing what you reference from.
Gas prices started going back up during Clinton's time in office, both due to supply and demand as well as the fact that he vetoed legislation allowing the U.S. their own development to offset the rising costs based upon our heavy imports.
It all goes hand in hand.......
Here's an interesting article from 1996....your thoughts on it please?
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Gas Prices, Gas Politics
Bob Dole's pitch for lower gasoline taxes and Bill Clinton's planned sale of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve are grandstanding political gestures. They aim to please any motorist naive enough to think that either action is an effective or intelligent response to the current rise in prices at the gas pump.
Gasoline prices have indeed soared above the usual spring run-up, boosting the national average price for a gallon of regular about 10 percent above a year ago. Mr. Dole, the Senate majority leader and presumptive Republican nominee for President, could not resist the temptation to offer his political cure. Hoping to remind voting motorists that Democrats passed a small gas tax increase in party-line voting in 1993, he challenged President Clinton to join him in seeking repeal of that increase of 4.3 cents a gallon.
The White House responded quickly and ambivalently, first ridiculing Mr. Dole's conversion to gas tax relief after voting for some past increases, but later saying it was willing to talk, a sure sign that voters are interested.
Then President Clinton invoked new authority to announce the sale of 12 million barrels of reserve oil. Congress had given him the authority for such sales as a way to raise money to reduce the deficit, but Mr. Clinton stressed the goal of dampening the gas price increases.
Warming to the partisan possibilities at a Democratic gala in Florida the other evening, Mr. Clinton contended that higher gas prices effectively reduce the take-home pay of commuters, hurt tourism and portend that "there are not going to be as many people driving as far to do whatever it is they're going to do this summer."
Theories abound as to what is driving up gas prices, but the fundamental equation is that the demand for fuel has been rising while production has fallen short of the need. Millions of Americans, locked into the consumption mindset that has deepened the nation's dependence on foreign oil in the past, have been buying more and bigger vehicles and driving them faster and farther, thanks to years of plentiful, cheap fuel. Meanwhile, supplies have been curtailed because the long, cold winter in many parts of the country kept refiners producing heating oil longer than expected and delayed their shift to gasoline and diesel fuel. Inventories of transportation fuels were also allowed to dwindle because of an anticipated release of oil from Iraq that has yet to materialize.
Several members of Congress, favoring more sinister views, are demanding an investigation of industry practices and possible collusion in setting prices. Officials in California have concluded that the main factor driving up prices there has been a greater refiners' margin, which represents the profits and costs of the refiners. But rising margins might represent a rational response to market forces rather than industrywide collusion.
The nation does need a more thorough understanding of this price spike -- how it happened, how large it may become and how long it will likely last. Before rushing to cut the tax, the public and its politicians could use the Energy Department report Mr. Clinton has ordered to help explain the price spiral and estimate its duration.
Repealing the gas tax would save the average motorist about $27 a year in taxes and would reduce the nation's total gas tax bill by some $4.8 billion. But the loss of revenues would make the job of reducing the Federal deficit that much more difficult. Although the sale of Petroleum Reserve supplies would add to government revenues and thus help reduce the deficit, such sales seem an imprudent use of that resource, which is, after all, stockpiled for emergencies, not consumer convenience.
The proposed tax repeal would move the nation in precisely the wrong direction. Motorists should be encouraged to conserve, not overuse, their deceptively cheap fuel, as a way to lessen the environmental impact of emissions and to reduce the nation's dependence on imported oil. Politicians may think they have a political winner in railing at the rising price of motoring, but that increase should be a signal instead for a comprehensive review of energy policy.
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Gas prices have gone up 400+% in less than 10 years.. the demand hasnt risen 400% and we have alot of oil left on the planet. This is all oil company BS.
Think Bush had nothing to do with this? You're kidding yourselves.
Gas and oil keeps going up even after Saudi Arabia said they would put out more oil. Scary!
Bush did try to drill for more oil, build more refinerys and Nuke Plants. You Dems didn't allow that Ammo, so enjoy yourselves at the pumps.
The GOP controled the Congress, the Senate and The White House for the FIRST SIX YEARS of the Bush administration.
So please tell me how in the hell the "Dems stopped them"?
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How much and what percentage did fuel raise under Bush verses Clinton?
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I'm still waiting on an answer to my Hans Blix question and you want to start asking questions now???? 
Bits and pieces....you guys choose bits and pieces to quibble over. 
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Well I'm a little busy these days and did not see such a question. So if you don't mind, please ask it now. I don't have a problem trying to answer your question. But I simply didn't see it.
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You already responded to it and sidestepped it with another article.
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Well I don't remember the question you asked, offered to try to answer it if you asked again and you don't want to. So at least I offered.
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Horsehockey.....it was asked TWICE and you quoted the question itself before you posted an article as a reply.
BS politico-speak answer from you......again.
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If you want it answerred, quit the double talk and ask it. Or else you really aren't very interested in getting an answer. And if I remembered it, I'd address it for you. So just keep up the double talk, as per usual, or ask the question. It's pretty basic Shep. 
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I'm simply letting you know that the people you are trying to convince that Bush did this or that will not change their mind set with out hard evidence.
I don't think it should take much for people to realize that the guy has been wrong on nearly every single aspect of the Iraq war.
Why do we get into this debate of whether or not he lied or not? He either lied or he's incompetent. Either way, he should be fired.
And congress is incompetent too. They gave him the power. Thats Dems and Reps.
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Gas prices have gone up 400+% in less than 10 years.. the demand hasnt risen 400% and we have alot of oil left on the planet. This is all oil company BS.
Think Bush had nothing to do with this? You're kidding yourselves.
Gas and oil keeps going up even after Saudi Arabia said they would put out more oil. Scary!
Bush did try to drill for more oil, build more refinerys and Nuke Plants. You Dems didn't allow that Ammo, so enjoy yourselves at the pumps.
The GOP controled the Congress, the Senate and The White House for the FIRST SIX YEARS of the Bush administration.
So please tell me how in the hell the "Dems stopped them"?
The Republicans had a majority during the Clinton admin also. They passed a bill that Clinton vetoed. Did you forget about that?
Are you trying to pass off all Republicans agreeing with Bush?
Are you telling us that you don't know the basics of how the Senate operates? Are you trying to infer that a simple majority is enough to pass any legislation? Without 60 votes to keep legislation from being philabustered you can't get it through the Senate. This is a fact that you know, but find it easy to ignore because it doesn't fit your agenda. Yes, Isaid agenda. This is a word I am usually very hesitant to use. I have to use it when it comes to you because you are so transparent. You find someone like Bush, who you disagree with and don't like, so you twist and turn every fact on every issue to say he does nothing. You should take lessons from honest debators. Phil is one who disagrees more then anyone when it comes to Republicans, yet he is able to defend some of what they do.
You rail against double standards, and point them out only when the suit your arguement. The funny thing is, everyone knows that you are the king of double standards, and many of us laugh are asses off at you when you "call them on the carpet"
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Shhh! Don't mention the facts, they hate it when you do that. You know, like the fact that we were at war with Iraq, because they invaded Kuwait. You know, two of the middle east countries with very large oil production. Let's not mention the fact that many were scared that Sadam also had his eyes set on Saudi. Or the fact that he set fire to just about all (if not all) of Kuwait's oil wells.
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Oh, hold your horses. Pit will step back in sometime and tell us how he votes for the Person, not the party. How he is open minded.
But, when people read his posts, the truth is so far different than what pit paints it as.
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If you get your way, you'll get your comeuppance. Sad thing is, so will the rest of our country, and trust me, the money havers are going to take their money out of this country. Then, you'll see.
Yeah, Obama's going to be the first president in the history of America to not take care of the money havers.
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You're just mad cause Karl Marx isn't running Phil.
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Actually, I'm mad because the two men running are whores to lobbying interests and are completely out of touch with the American people.
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Name the last President who WAS in touch with the average american. 
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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Name the last President who WAS in touch with the average american.
And isn't that our problem? And why the hell don't we do something about it? People are getting angrier every day...
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The days on an average Joe becoming President have long since passed. If your not Rich and powerful already you don't have a prayer.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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