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I do believe we need to start looking at these guys...

Parker
Horn
Kennison

Cause HOPING Wilson pans out is not real wise

And THINKING Hubbard can contribute this year is INSANE...




Joe Horn loves Joe Horn. Joe Horn is the best WR ever. Joe Horn would be a leader to the young WR corps. Joe Horn.

I wouldn't mind Horn as long as he realizes he is the #3.

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This is beyond ridiculous.




Yes it is. If some of you people would remove your head from your butt long enough to do a little research. You would realize staph infections are a problem all over the world. But noooo just whine and blame things on Berea and the Clinic Now go ask your DR for ANOTHER antibiotic for your cold

Lets hope JJ can be back for the last two pre-season games.


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We could quit calling him a TE, line him up outside and still be better off at that position than most teams, and Heiden gives us a good enough TE....at least top of the bottom 1/3, if not better.

It isn't like Heiden would kill us if we had to play him 85% of the time.




Don't forget we drafted Rucker as well, who is a glorified WR playing TE. Him and K2 can be interchangable at those positions.


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I do believe we need to start looking at these guys...

Parker
Horn
Kennison

Cause HOPING Wilson pans out is not real wise

And THINKING Hubbard can contribute this year is INSANE...




In his third year, we are finally getting some positive info from RAC on Wilson. RAC is not prone to giving out faint praise to anyone, Vet or Rookie.. so if he is saying positive things, I'm probably a little more optimistic than you.

As for Hubbard, talk to New Orleans about what some late round picks can do? not saying it will happen, but it could.


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I do believe we need to start looking at these guys...

Parker
Horn
Kennison

Cause HOPING Wilson pans out is not real wise

And THINKING Hubbard can contribute this year is INSANE...




In his third year, we are finally getting some positive info from RAC on Wilson. RAC is not prone to giving out faint praise to anyone, Vet or Rookie.. so if he is saying positive things, I'm probably a little more optimistic than you.

As for Hubbard, talk to New Orleans about what some late round picks can do? not saying it will happen, but it could.




Talk to me about the difference between SHORTS & JERSEYS and PADS & CONTACT...

This spring BS means squat...It's about getting the PLAYBOOK in...


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tell that to Daven Holly......................

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Then tell it to the dude walkin' down 9th and Superior today that got smashed by a car...


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DnD,, I don't need to tell you about it, you already know..


And you will NEVER guess who else is aware of it....... Ok, I'll let the cat out of the bag..

R A C knows.. I have to believe that if RAC made a positive remark about anyone in the OTA's or Mini camps, it was with that knowledge in mind...

And it doesn't change a thing he said about him.. So, what's your point?


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so he was in shorts and pads and covering BE?

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The Browns can most certainly fill JJ's roster spot, trouble is that you would be hard pressed to find a clutch player to fill JJ's spot. At 6'5" and with a great set of hands great route runner, and always seems to get open when you need him the most. Thats hard to replace, IMHO.

I have a vision of JJ going in motion down the line then blocking down on a LB or DE to seal the edge. In fact he played more like a TE last season then KW did. We absolutely need what JJ brings to the table, we all know what BB ment to BK, well JJ plays that same roll, he is critical to keeping this offense moving forward..

I will say this too, last season JJ was banged up threw most of the season, yet come Sunday he sucked it up, and produced on the field. When the bell rings JJ will answer, ya gotta believe..

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Yep,clutch is the word. Years of enduring dropped passes and the exasperating Northcutt shortcut, makes the prospect of not having JJ on this team very scarey

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Little article I found. Of course none of this is confirmed, but if JJ is going to need microfracture surgery, his year will be over and most likely his career.


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Published on Sunday, Jul 06, 2008

In February, my buddy, Dave from Westlake, asked a simple question: Which Cleveland team is closest to a championship?

Dave from Westlake (his official name) is well known to some as the guy who accurately predicted Browns drafts for years.

He asks questions like this one, and it was an interesting thought.

Mind you, the question did not imply that any team was close to winning a title; it just wondered which team was closest.

My answer at that time came down to performance and potential, so I said the Indians.

Stop snickering.

It was February.

The Indians were coming off a season when they came one victory short of reaching the World Series, when they won 96 games, tied with the Boston Red Sox for most in baseball, and when they had a Cy Young winner returning.

Clearly, that prediction was not accurate.

At least not this year.

How the Indians look for next year . . . well that's anyone's guess. Consider the pitching staff — an Indians strength when the season started. C.C. Sabathia could be gone via trade or free agency, Jake Westbrook had Tommy John elbow surgery and Paul Byrd is in the last year of his contract.

The ace of the staff has turned out to be Cliff Lee, and he was the subject of many trade talks in the offseason.

In the bullpen, there is no closer.

In the outfield, there are questions in right and left field. Casey Blake figures not to be back at third. Ryan Garko has not set the world afire at first.

In spring training, the Indians appeared to be a team built to succeed this year and in the next couple. Now they appear to be a team with growing questions.

Part of the unpredictability of baseball.

Which leaves the Cavaliers and Browns.

Most would knee-jerk and pick the Browns.

That's just the way things are with the Browns. It does not take much for the bandwagon of hype and excitement (officially known as the BHE) to get overcrowded when the Browns are concerned.

If folks hear a burp from Berea, fans figure it means three extra wins.

But I do not think the Browns are closest to a title.

Every time the Browns spun the roulette wheel last year, things came up the color they played. Everything went right. Until that game in Cincinnati late in the season.

This team deserved good things, mind you. After years of Jeff Garcia and Spergon Wynn, fans and the team deserved something positive.

The excitement level for this season is real and deserved. There's a lot to like.

But there also are questions. The team's cornerbacks are unproven, and NFL teams will pick at that scab all season if, indeed, it turns out to be a weakness.

Receiver Joe Jurevicius' health also is concerning. The team's latest release was pretty cryptic, but it did not sound good when it said there was no word on his availability for training camp after the latest procedure on his knee.

Rumors are flying that Jurevicius might need the dreaded microfracture surgery.

If Jurevicius cannot play or is limited, the Browns lose their third wide receiver and have one legitimate receiver in Braylon Edwards. Donte Stallworth? He might prove to be good, but a guy who has been with four teams in four years and who was not starting late in the season with the New England Patriots isn't star material just because he signed a big contract.

Too, the national frenzy over the Browns seems misplaced. Or at least too much too soon. The team has five prime-time games despite missing the playoffs last season.

Often in the NFL, a team will improve, then take a step back before settling into its real self.

The Browns can win this season and probably will. But they're not as close to a title, in my mind, as the last pro team left standing in Cleveland.

That's the Cavs.

And as of today, early July 2008, they are the local team closest to a title.

With the right offseason moves, they could move closer.

I say this because of two reasons.

First, and foremost, they have LeBron James.

Enough said. Because anytime he is on the floor, the Cavs have a chance.

Second is because they came the closest to beating the Boston Celtics, who won the title. A shot here or there in Game 7 in Boston and the Cavs advance to the Eastern Conference finals, and who knows what happens from there?

Of course, this is what happens with these Cleveland teams.

A shot here or there, a hit here or there, a pass or interception here or there, and things change. The closer they get, the farther away they seem to be.

James, though, seems to be the guy who might make a difference. There's no other player on any Cleveland team who can be mentioned in the same sentence as Michael Jordan.

Talent-wise, James is close.

If he wins championships, the comparison will be relevant.

So on the ''Personal Closest to a Title'' scale, the professional team that is closest in this area is the Cavaliers.

Random thoughts

That ''closest to a title'' idea seems like a fun thing to run down every few months.

• Memo to self: Buy Dave from Westlake a cold one.

• Just returned from a Yellowstone vacation with the kids.

Two words of advice on the National Park after a week there: Go visit. It's a fabulous, special, amazing place.


• For those interested, my daughters kept track of animals spotted. Final count yielded three bald eagles, 1,168 buffalo (this is not a joke), 411 elk, nine bears (eight grizzlies, one black), 30 wolves (seen from afar), 10 coyote, 10 bighorn sheep, 11 deer, three swans, 62 pronghorn antelope, three moose, five osprey, 118 geese, two snakes (one seen in Idaho en route), 21 pikas, three cranes and one ''fuzzy thing walking'' (so dubbed by my daughter), 47 ravens, one magpie, two beavers and one pelican.

The count is reputable, as done by two 12-year-old girls. No count was taken of ridiculous humans walking blindly through piles of buffalo poop.

• Time to welcome Clay Bennett to the Walter O'Malley Hall of Abandonment, where the Art Modell Welcome Center greets visitors.

Bennett moved the Sonics from Seattle to Oklahoma City by agreeing to pay the city of Seattle $45 million now and perhaps $30 million later.

The $30 million is dependent on a bunch of factors related to a new arena in Seattle and a commitment by the city to capitulate to NBA blackmail and build a new arena for a nonexistent team by the end of 2009 or forget about getting another team.

• Nice idea in a time when gas prices are $38.29 per gallon and schools are scrambling to succeed.

How do sports leagues get away with this? Because we let them.

• With the move to Oklahoma City, the NBA's future figures to include Montgomery, Ala., Dayton and Cody, Wyo.

Montpelier, Vt., might want to draw up its application.

• Sports Illustrated did one of those ridiculous midseason baseball award stories at its Web site.

Does anyone really care, after all, if a guy had a good first half of a season?

Apparently, I do, because I'm writing about it.

Two Indians fared well — Lee was first in the Cy Young half-season list; Grady Sizemore, fourth in the MVP.

Which pretty much indicates just how far the bottom has dropped out of this team if it can have two of the best players in baseball and still be in (gulp) last place.

• Only four Indians pitchers have started a season 11-1: Johnny Allen in 1937, Perry in 1974, Charles Nagy in 1996 and Lee.

How many of us remember staying up late in 1974 to watch Perry try to win that game in Oakland that would have given him 16 in a row to start the season? Seems like George Hendrick ruined that game.

• Sheesh, are we getting up there or what?

• After a brutal start, Sabathia has pitched extremely well, with a 1.96 ERA in his past 13 starts.

This illustrates why Indians General Manager Mark Shapiro must be careful when he weighs trading Sabathia. Clearly the pitcher is going to earn a huge deal as a free agent, but if there is any real hope of re-signing him, it must be considered. Starting pitchers who lead the league in strikeouts and who throw more than 200 innings in consecutive seasons are pretty valuable.

• The Cavs' draft made sense for this reason: Joe Smith, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Ben Wallace are in their 30s. The only young ''big'' (why don't they call the guards ''smalls''?) is Anderson Varejao, and he might not be with the Cavs after this season.

So they had to get some tall guys.

• J.J. Hickson might not make the most immediate impact because he has had one year of college experience. Darnell Jackson could produce more immediately because he played four years at Kansas. Not that many great things should be expected of any of the picks in 2008-09. The 19th pick and second-rounder just don't seem to do that kind of thing right away.

• The team compares Hickson to a piece of fruit taken off the tree a little early. The Cavs want to make sure it gets as ripe as possible before . . . well . . . you get the picture.

• The Cavs have not given up on acquiring Michael Redd from the Milwaukee Bucks, but they are having a difficult time gauging whether the Bucks will trade Redd after they acquired Richard Jefferson from the New Jersey Nets.

• Most feel like that move makes the Bucks a win-now team, so Redd stays.

• Me, I wonder this . . . in a convoluted way: Varejao's agent is Daniel Fegan, who also represents Yi Jianlian, who was traded to the Nets for Jefferson. This might indicate the Bucks need another ''big,'' and if that's Varejao in a deal for Redd, it makes sense that Fegan was eager and pleased to get his Yi out of Milwaukee to make playing time and salary cap room for Varejao.

Pure guess, by the way. Take that as nothing more than conjecture.

• Jefferson has yet to be in touch with the Bucks.

Seems he doesn't like the idea of being traded.

• Really, now, I didn't like the idea of $70 fill-ups every time I stopped for gas in Yellowstone, but that didn't keep me from driving there.

• Noticed where James said New York was his favorite city and Brooklyn his favorite borough during a Team USA news conference.

Naturally, this started the palpitations that James will leave the Cavs as a free agent in 2010.

For crying out loud, this is two years away.

Can we at least get through the presidential election before worrying about this?

There are flowers to plant, yards to mow and bushes to trim this summer. . . .

• Have to give a shout out to Brian Windhorst, a colleague and friend who is recovering from an illness in an area hospital. This is one outstanding young man and reporter. A lot of people are thinking about you, Brian, including me.

• OK, this is the time in the movie where we all wipe the tear from the corner of our eye.

• Speaking of movies, my daughter convinced me to take her to the midnight showing of the new Batman movie this month. That's a night's entertainment, eh? Two-and-a-half hours of Batman starting at 12:01 in the morning.

• Which again makes a person wonder: How do these things happen?

• Until next time . . . there you have it.



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Part of the unpredictability of baseball.

Which leaves the Cavaliers and Browns.

Most would knee-jerk and pick the Browns.

That's just the way things are with the Browns. It does not take much for the bandwagon of hype and excitement (officially known as the BHE) to get overcrowded when the Browns are concerned.

If folks hear a burp from Berea, fans figure it means three extra wins.

But I do not think the Browns are closest to a title.

Every time the Browns spun the roulette wheel last year, things came up the color they played. Everything went right. Until that game in Cincinnati late in the season.

This team deserved good things, mind you. After years of Jeff Garcia and Spergon Wynn, fans and the team deserved something positive.

The excitement level for this season is real and deserved. There's a lot to like.

But there also are questions. The team's cornerbacks are unproven, and NFL teams will pick at that scab all season if, indeed, it turns out to be a weakness.

Receiver Joe Jurevicius' health also is concerning. The team's latest release was pretty cryptic, but it did not sound good when it said there was no word on his availability for training camp after the latest procedure on his knee.

Rumors are flying that Jurevicius might need the dreaded microfracture surgery.

If Jurevicius cannot play or is limited, the Browns lose their third wide receiver and have one legitimate receiver in Braylon Edwards. Donte Stallworth? He might prove to be good, but a guy who has been with four teams in four years and who was not starting late in the season with the New England Patriots isn't star material just because he signed a big contract.

Too, the national frenzy over the Browns seems misplaced. Or at least too much too soon. The team has five prime-time games despite missing the playoffs last season.

Often in the NFL, a team will improve, then take a step back before settling into its real self.

The Browns can win this season and probably will. But they're not as close to a title, in my mind, as the last pro team left standing in Cleveland......



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He's done.

I would offer him a job with the team. We couldn't hire a better person, and he has something to offer....except on the field.


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JJ has had a real tough time with what had first been reported as pretty simple surgery.

I also will not be surprised if he ends up retiring 8 months sooner than what was to be expected. Its a shame if he does cause he has been part of the transormation and a good leader.

Prayers out to him for his health and recovery.

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My vote for best post in the entire thread.


Joe resembles everything that a Cleveland Browns player should embody.

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Kinda sad. I hope that Joe doesn't need another procedure and can make a full recovery in what could be a special season. If not, best of luck to him and his family. Health is always more important.


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I'd love to see him as an asst. Coach


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I also wish JJ a speedy recovery and future good health, whether or not he ever plays another down again.

Now, having said that, I won't be surprised if JJ retires. The injury is sounding worse with every new report. At this point all we can do is hope he can make it back and if he can't then wish him well. I do like Ballpeens idea of offering him a job, if he wanted to move in that direction.

I seriously doubt if the Browns will solely depend upon Travis Wilson and/or any other rookie or even Josh Cribbs to fill the void that JJ will leave if he can't make it back. I can see us acquiring Parker but just for fun, here's a list of supposedly current FA WR's.

Troy Brown
Peerless Price
Eric Moulds
Tim Carter (LMAO)
Eddie Drummond (Cheifs)
Tim Dwight
Bryan Gilmore (49ers)
David Givens
Mark Jones (Bucs)
Eddie Kennison
Michael Lewis (49ers)
Keenan McCardell
Aaron Moorehead (Colts) (don't laugh at the last name.
Sean Morey (Cardinals)
Troy Walters (Lions)

I didn't even see Joe Horn listed. So I'm going to assume that he's signed with a team. I thought the Falcons were interested or signed him.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?positionId=1

There's only a few names that stick out too me.

Eric Moulds
Peerless Price
Tim Dwight
Keenan McCardell
Troy Brown

Those are the best names...IMO I would think that we could acquire the services of one of these WR's for a reasonable price but then again, maybe not?

I still think CB is a greater need so we should trade our 5th rd. pick to SD for Parker then trade Parker and our 6th to Philly for Lito (unless we can sign Law) Then we could grab a guy like Brown, Moulds, or Dwight for a season or two. I'm really thinking Tim Dwight would be a very good choice.

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The name that jumped out to me was Eddie Kennison. He played in KC and was a decent WR there with very reliable hands. Kennan and Troy Brown are both pretty old with a lot of miles on them. Eric Moulds is interesting but I wonder why he was only able to last one season in Texas with their WR core the way it is. I would like to look at Kennison, maybe a Joe Horn for the right price. I see that your list fails to mention Antonio Bryant, does that mean he actually ended up with a team?


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So far as I know he is in San Fran now.

Horn is in Atlanta, but wants traded or something.

I easily could be wrong though...........just like you I'm to lazy to google.

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Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns WR Joe Jurevicius (knee) intends to honor his commitment to return for the 2008 season despite recently undergoing a fourth procedure on his right knee since January, according to a source. Jurevicius will open training camp on the team's Physically Unable to Perform list. It is possible he could begin the season on the PUP list, which would cause him to miss at least the first six weeks of the season.

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Cleveland Browns veteran receiver Joe Jurevicius likely will start the 2008 season on the physically unable to perform list.

In an interview Thursday morning with Cleveland radio station WTAM, Browns general manager Phil Savage said Jurevicius' most recent knee surgery performed on June 30 will cause him to miss extended time. If he is placed on the PUP list, Jurevicius will have to sit out the first six weeks of the regular season.

Although the Browns are only confirming two surgeries, the procedure was at least the third performed on Jurevicius' knee in the past seven months after he contracted a staph infection following his initial surgery.

"It's been pretty frustrating for everybody because this started as an innocent knee scope back in January, and it's morphed itself into multiple procedures," Savage said in the radio interview Thursday. "Obviously every time he's taken a step forward, it's been two steps back. So it's a bit up in the air right now ... He's going to be looked at again obviously next week before we get started and probably will start on that PUP list."

Jurevicius, 33, had one of the best seasons of his career in 2007. He played in all 16 games for the Browns and caught 50 passes for 614 yards and three touchdowns.

The Cleveland native signed a four-year contract with the Browns in 2006 but said he plans to retire after this season. He wanted to come back for one more year to see if he could help lead his hometown team to the postseason.

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Travis Wilson better be able to step it up or we don't have a slot WR.


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Travis Wilson better be able to step it up or we don't have a slot WR.




If he doesn't then here's to hoping Josh Cribbs can handle a big workload.

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I hate seeing JJ miss time, but honestly, barring injury, this is one of the deepest positions we have.. at this moment, I'm not to awefully concerned..


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Agree with ya there, I was hoping JJ will stay within the organization in some capacity after his playing days are over, but man. I sure hope we can get one more year of seeing him on the field.

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I hate seeing JJ miss time, but honestly, barring injury, this is one of the deepest positions we have.. at this moment, I'm not to awefully concerned..




Personally i don't see the depth your talking about. Out side of Edwards and Stallworth what do we have but potential as of now?

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Travis Wilson better be able to step it up or we don't have a slot WR.




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Personally i don't see the depth your talking about. Out side of Edwards and Stallworth what do we have but potential as of nw?




The cupboard isn't bare after those two guys.

Those that remain who have receiving skills are:

Cribbs

Hill (was doing pretty well last year before injury slowed him down)

Wilson (we are lead to believe he's made serious progress.. that's a grain of salt thought however)

Steptoe (I don't know if he's got what we need, but he's here)

Hubbard (way to new to rate, but again, he's here)

Kasper (Again, he was supposed to have been impressive in OTA's,,,,FWIW)

But its not just our depth at one position, it's both WR and TE..

KW2 (nothing needs said about his ability)

Heiden (nothing needs said about his value)

Rucker (who knows, but reports from OTAs were mostly positive,, FWIW)

And you have a few backs that can catch fairly well in Harrison and Wright and Lewis ain't no slouch either..

of course, if you were looking to find a Jerry Rice out of our depth, then of course, you won't find it. But then again, that's probably unrealistic.


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So just as i said after Edwards and Stallworth we have nothing but potential at the wide receiver position.

I know how we are set at the other positions you mention, but they add no depth to our wr position which took a blow when we lost JJ know matter how you try to paint it. JMHO.

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I do understand what your saying.. and I guess to a point, I agree with you about the KNOWN QUALITY of our depth. But when you start getting past your top 3 receivers on just about any team, all you really have is potential.

In fact, on a lot of teams, they'd only wish they had a top three.

Also, you have to remember something else. Last year, all we had was Edwards and JJ that we could officially count on. Beyond that, what did we have.. and still, we scored a bunch.

So, NO, I'm still not that concerned.


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