DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Favre coming back???

You mean when he was calling press conferences during one of his many "I can't decide yet" moments just to tell everyone there was nothing to report, that wasn't attention seeking? Right. Holding the Packers hostage over these last few years and playing it all to the hilt everytime has made me lose respect for Favre.

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Funny, when Micheal Jordan had all his comebacks people never whinned about him coming back, They all prasied his LOVE for the game, his committment to the NBA, his PASSION for playing

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I don't really remember that being the case at all.. I remember people saying it's time for him to hang it up and sell underwear

Jules,,, Exactly.. It's funny how people forget about those things..


Hey, look, I think Favre is a GREAT QB... No fooling, I got a ton of respect for the man's on field ability as well as what he faced and beat off field (fathers death, booze),,,

That's the stuff legends are made of.

But for cryin out loud,, does anyone on here think that had Brett not retired, GB may not have taken that other QB in the DRAFT.. they might have gone with something else at that time..

So to me, the minute he said, I'm gone, GB HAD to move on with the belief that he meant it this time.

Now, after 4 months, he wants back in to the league and he wants them to give up thier financial hold on him.... Who in thier right mind would really do that without compensation of some kind?

You watch, now that I've said that, GB will release him...LOL..

I hope GB stands firm and forces Brett's hand. He can come back as a backup or nothing (maybe a trade but they aren't letting him walk for free).

I don't get how he supposedly "earned the right" to do whatever he wants, as some say. He's won one Super Bowl and got paid for all the years of service. The team doesn't owe him a damn thing. All their checks cleared so they're even.

He can't make up his mind and holds the team hostage during the past few offseasons. Free agency and the draft passes without him making a decision (just like his boy Strahan from last season). "I'm not sure what I want to do", come on you're a man right? Decide. And yes, I remember his press conferences to announce he's not made a decision yet. Hilarious!

I find it really funny that after all the tears and retirement they heard Brett might want to come back. So they went to him and said if it's true, your position is still there. He said no. Then he changes his mind again and wants back on his own terms....

I look at him to be Dan Mario with a ring. Tons of records and wins but not tons of rings. He's only got one Super Bowl win and a bunch of playoff flameouts - which were mostly his fault. The all time greats win the last game of the season more than once.

There is no "I" in team.

Brett has lost sight of that one basic fact IMO

Someone said it best earlier.

He's selfish.

The fans won't make this any easier. Favre is next to God as far as fans in Green Bay see it. I think they'll put him in front of the team. Is he the best option? It may be likely. But the guy hasn't been involved in any team activities up to this point. Is he even in playing shape? Maybe, maybe not.

The point is when he made that decision in March, the team had no choice but to move on. Had he not retired, I'm sure the Packers draft would have been completely different. Favre should have either waited it out longer, or just made his mind up completely. He made his own bed here. Now he's gotta sleep in it.

this is waaaaaay better than the whole "T-O" thing.

this one is getting juicy.

Ha ha ha, exactly! I wonder when we're going to see Brett doing situps on his front lawn with 40 media members interviewing him. That would be a trip.

I think this whole Farve situation calls for a poll.....but I'm too lazy to create one.

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Favre: Pack should let me play elsewhere
By CHRIS JENKINS, AP Sports Writer
15 hours, 16 minutes ago
MILWAUKEE (AP)—Brett Favre finally is speaking for himself: He wants to play but doesn’t feel welcome in Green Bay, so he’s asking to be released.

The quarterback’s first substantial comments on his latest retirement decision reversal come in an interview with Fox News on “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.”

“OK, you guys have a different path, fine,” Favre said, recalling a June 20 conversation with Packers coach Mike McCarthy. “What does that mean for me? So that means either you give me my helmet, welcome back, or release me, or attempt to trade me. We all know that’s a possibility, but way-out-there possibility.

“And he says, ‘Well, playing here is not an option, but we can’t envision you playing with another team, you know, either.’ And I thought, so basically, I’m not playing for anyone if I choose to come back.”

According to Van Susteren, who spoke to the AP by telephone Monday afternoon, Favre said he was “never fully committed” to retiring and felt pressured by the Packers to make a decision, a notion Packers general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy tried to dispel in an interview with the AP on Saturday.

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“Ted always wanted Brett back,” McCarthy said. “We always wanted Brett back.”

The team had no immediate reaction to Favre’s interview Monday.

“We currently have nothing to add on this matter,” a team spokesman said.

Favre told Fox he understands that the Packers want to move on—but if they’re doing so, they should let him go.

“Them moving on does not bother me,” Favre said. “It doesn’t. I totally understand that. By me retiring March 3, I knew that could possibly happen. All I was saying is, you know, I’m thinking about playing again.”

Favre said he has thought about the ramifications of playing for another team, moving to another city, and angering some Packers fans.

“You know, the bottom line is, I may not play anywhere,” Favre said. “But we have thought of all those things. We have thought about it.”

Van Susteren—who is from Appleton, Wis., is a Packers shareholder and previously had interviewed Favre and his wife, Deanna—said Favre made it clear he would not return to the Packers if he wasn’t the starter. And while Favre said the Packers asked him for a list of teams to which he would accept a trade, he wants to be released to make sure he ends up on a competitive club.

Thompson said the team wasn’t going to release Favre, but he could come back in a “different role than he was” because the team is committed to going forward with Aaron Rodgers.

“You’re telling me playing there is not an option, but playing elsewhere, we just can’t—we’re trying to protect your legacy,” Favre said. “Well, thank you. I appreciate that. But apparently now, they’re trying to protect my legacy by bringing me back and having me be a backup. Boy, that is really good.”

Thompson and McCarthy wouldn’t discuss the possibility of trading Favre and said they hadn’t received any trade inquiries as of Saturday.

Thompson and McCarthy gave AP a detailed description of their dealings with Favre throughout the offseason, including an episode a few weeks after Favre’s retirement where the two were prepared to fly to Mississippi to seal the deal on a Favre comeback—only to have the quarterback change his mind again.


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AP - Jul 14, 6:59 pm EDT
In the interview, Favre said the Packers were being dishonest, although he did not point out specific examples in the portion of the interview aired Monday. A second segment is scheduled to air Tuesday.

“If you move on, you tell me one thing, don’t come back and tell the public … just say it, ‘You know, we’ve moved on and we’ll work with Brett on whatever it is,”’ Favre said. “Don’t make up a lot of stuff or give half of the truth.”

McCarthy and Thompson also expressed concern Saturday that Favre spent most of the offseason questioning whether he still had the commitment to play football. But Favre told Fox News it wasn’t going to be an issue.

“If I’m going to play it’s going to be 100 percent commitment,” Favre said.

Favre’s interview—which was receiving top billing over an interview with presidential candidate John McCain in promos for Van Susteren’s show that aired during the day Monday—is the latest development in what is looking more and more like an irreparable schism between one of the NFL’s most storied franchises and perhaps its most beloved quarterback.

Thompson called the situation “gut-wrenching” Saturday.

“I mean, it hurts,” he said. “I’m not talking about physically hurting, but the sensitivity. We understand where the fans are coming from. This is a hot-button issue that surpasses anything I’ve ever gone through.”

I dont know who to side with on this one. Favre has a contract, and its with Green Bay. And he did retire.

The thing is GB has Rodgers and they just drafted Brohm. They've told Brett he'll be a backup.

Farve is a gunslinger, with a gunslinger mentality. He's the ironman of football. He's started for over 14 years so its unlikely he'll just accept being the backup.

If the man wants to start he should get the opportunity. The reason the Packers won't let him go is because they know he's likely headed to Minnesota or Chicago, division rivals.

For me it's easy to decide who to side with. It's the Packers they asked him to come back he said yes then backed out, they decise to move on, now he want to come back and play anywhere and the say no, so he takes it to the media like a spoiled child.

No reason to really take sides.

Favre retired with no pressure and on his own accord in March.

Favre started to feel like he made a mistake in retiring. In an interview with Mooch shortly after retiring through NFL Network I remember Mooch asking him what he thought his father would say if he was still here (regarding to his decision to retire).

WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY! was Favre's answer on what his father would think about the decision.

I'm sure he started having 2nd guesses from the get go cause even in his retirement speach he said HE KNEW HE COULD STILL PLAY - it wasn't that.

OK...so now Favre is admitting he made a mistake in retiring. If nobody wants his services thats one thing - but as noted, its not cause he can't play that spurred on the retirement. Now what. Favre stated he asked for the Packers to take his retirement back or at least how to go on. The response to him was - he could come back as the Back-up.

I could see how Favre would take this as an insult.
I do see how the Packers have moved on since his retirement announcement.

Its rather simple.

Trade him, Release him or refuse to do either and look bad to everyone.

Unfortunately I don't see him being released. If so it probably would be
Bucs
Bears
Vikings
on the short list for Favre.

If trade - Possibly if the Bucs offer a lot....but most likely the Packers would choose the Ravens due to the fact they are the only pursuers in the AFC.

Although the Ravens OL spell doom for any QB joining them. I really wouldn't want to see Favre leading a division rival. He still has game!

JMHO - who what where when? Sides...pretty much one side only - the truth and it seems pretty simple on what has happened. The rest is all media crapola to sensationalize it all.

I don't see why the Ravens would want him. They've got three QB's to sort through as is (though I would see how Boller might not included).....bringing in Favre after McNair won't help their future.

It really comes down to the Vikes, Bears or the Bucs like you said. And I would think the Pack will fight until the death to keep him from another NFC North team. So that leaves the Bucs......even still, if they're both in the playoffs, they might face each other.

It would be awesome for Favre to hold a clipboard all year. Ha ha ha...

It would be bad business just to "release him" from the standpoint of the Packers. And they are not "bound" to release him. They can keep him as a back up if he comes back to the league. They have that option.

The fear of playing against him, within their own division is certainly something any smart organization must consider.

IMO- If the Packers can't find a trading partner, they should offer him one of two options................

1. Stay with the Packers as a back-up

2. The Packers could make a "list of teams" which Favre "can not play for" in order for him to secure his release.

There are some pretty good teams out there in need of a veteran QB. For the Packers to simply give away their options on the whims of Favre I feel would be a very foolish business move.

Packers have always been my 2nd favorate team, I've always liked Farve, but for me it's pretty simple which side to choose....



Neither, I'm a Cleveland Brown, lets them do what they wanna do and as long as it dosent effect our players, I could care less.....come back / hold a clip board / trade'em / release'em / stay retired......dosent effect our camp our team.....Sorry Packer fans love ya but this is your mess, we had ours a few years ago. Good Luck in whatever they decided

j/c

A new article with a more quotes from Favre.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns

After reading it, I guess I'm getting tired of Favre. I feel like he's acting like a spoiled little primadonna.

I like favre. I rooted for him to win the superbowl. Now I hope he gets traded to Atlanta so he will shut up and stay retired. Its not fair to the fans, organization or his teamates.

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Now I hope he gets traded to Atlanta so he will shut up and stay retired. Its not fair to the fans, organization or his teamates.

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Something tells me Miami, Parcells has always liked him and likes Veteran QBs.

Tampa not sure, the way Grueden collects QB I'm sure he'd like a future HOF'er like Brett in his collection, but not sure how he'd fit with Garcia or the team money wise.

Atlanta might be a good fit for a year, but Brett made it perfectly clear a few years ago he wasnt signed to tutor back-up QB's he said he wasnt a teacher he was a player.

They mentioned on ESPN the other day that Parcells wasn't interested in a quick fix and had no interest in Favre.

Other than Chicago and Minnesota I'm not sure who else would be all that interested in a guy with Favre's "issues".

I heard on the radio here that Tampa Bay was interested and he was leaning heavily in that direction should he be released. Take it for what it is.

Good Lord.....don't they still have like 105 QBs still on the roster?.....

i hope GB sticks to their word and keeps him on their roster and aosnt get rid of him....i get sick of seeing players "retire" just to go to a better team the very next season....i say once you retire thats it no going back....just my opinion!

Good point. I get incredulous when people state "....Favre is a gunslinger...." and mean it in a good way. But, in the next breath, when, oh, someone, let's just say DA, when he's called a gunslinger its a bad thing.

One has 14yrs experience and a superbowl ring, has overcome addiction to alcohol and painkillers. The other is a Browns qb. where no matter how good they are the backup is a fan favorite unless your last name is Kosar.

you all should take a trip to one of the packers forums. its always funny to watch another organization reel in turmoil over something like this. I visited the falcons forums during the vick incident. went to the patriots forums over all their cheating crap.. now greenbay. It gives you an inside look to how the fans feel. Its always good. and it always makes me feel good to be a browns fan, especially right now. DawgTalk is a good place to be. Out of the last few years i thought the worst time was when a lot of people wanted Carthon canned.

Favre has no definite plans to apply for reinstatement
ESPN.com news services

If Brett Favre is really going to force a showdown with the Green Bay Packers, it won't happen right away, his agent told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

"We have no definite plans to ask for reinstatement," Favre's agent, James "Bus" Cook, said of the former Packers quarterback, who has asked the team for his release. "Right now we have until the sixth week [of the regular season] and Brett has made it pretty clear that he is not willing to come in as a backup.

"If he asks for reinstatement and they start fining him $15,000 a day [for not reporting to training camp], well that just doesn't make sense," Cook said.

"We're going to let Green Bay decide what they want to do. It's their move."

Reached by The Associated Press on Wednesday evening, Packers spokesman Jeff Blumb indicated no response was forthcoming from the team.

Packers GM Ted Thompson has said the Packers do not plan to grant Favre, who announced his retirement in March, his release. And while Thompson said Favre could return to the Packers if he applies to the league for reinstatement, it would be "in a different role than he was" because the team has committed to backup Aaron Rodgers as its quarterback of the future.

Meanwhile, ESPN.com has confirmed that the Packers have filed tampering charges with the NFL against the Minnesota Vikings, alleging "inappropriate dialogue" with offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, a close friend of Favre's and a former Packers assistant.

The Vikings, according to a source, are expected to contend Bevell may have had conversations with Favre as a friend but had no involvement in discussing a job with the Vikings.

Vikings coach Brad Childress has said in recent days the franchise is content with Tarvaris Jackson as their starting quarterback. What the Packers contend is that Favre and Bevell may have discussed Favre coming to the Vikings.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league had no comment on the report. Thompson declined comment on tampering rumors in an interview with The Associated Press on Saturday.

Foxsports.com first reported the tampering charges.

Favre was in Los Angeles for Wednesday night's taping of the ESPY Awards. Host Justin Timberlake zeroed in on Favre sitting in the audience with his wife, Deanna.

"What have you been up to lately? I haven't seen you anywhere," Timberlake said. "Just chillin'? Yeah, me too."

Later, Timberlake went into the seats to hug Favre's would-be successor Rodgers, the Packers' 2005 first-round draft choice. Favre sheepishly looked down with a slight smile on his face as the crowd laughed.

Favre currently is on the Packers' reserve/retired list. To be reinstated, Favre must write a letter to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. Once that request is approved -- a step considered a formality -- the Packers would have to release Favre or place him on their active roster.

Favre told Fox News' Greta Van Susteren that he won't return to camp simply to spite the Packers. The team's players are scheduled to report for training camp on July 27.

"It's tempting just to, as everyone said, you know, call their bluff or whatever," Favre said. "I think it's going to be a circus in itself already, whether I go there, whatever."

But, Favre added: "I don't want to go back there just to stick it to them."

Favre's growing rift with the Green Bay Packers could lead to a few awkward moments for the three-time MVP this weekend.

Favre is scheduled to present former teammate Frank Winters at the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame induction banquet at Lambeau Field on Saturday night. Winters, former Packers defensive tackle Gilbert Brown and video director Al Treml will be enshrined in the Packers' Hall of Fame.

Should Favre keep his commitment to Winters, his close friend and former center, his return to Lambeau will come a little more than a week after formally requesting to be released from his contract -- and only days after expressing his distrust of Packers management and insisting that the team pressured him into making his retirement decision in his interview with Fox News.

Favre could see some of the same folks he criticized in his trip back to the place he played for 16 seasons. He also might run into Packers offensive line coach James Campen, a former teammate who was dragged into the middle of the controversy this week.

In an unaired portion of Favre's interview with "On the Record With Greta Van Susteren," Favre apparently said Campen recently made an unexpected visit to his home in Mississippi and said he had "an answer" for Favre regarding his desire to unretire.

"He says, 'You know, I know they told you they're moving on and playing there's not an option," Favre said, according to a full transcript of the interview obtained by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "Playing here in Green Bay is not an option, which that's what they want. They want to move on. But I'm telling you, if you reinstate or you force their hand, back them in a corner, they feel like they have no other option, they're going to accept you back.'

"And he said, 'Just telling you.' And I said, 'OK.'"

In an interview with The Associated Press on Saturday, Packers coach Mike McCarthy chastised the Favre camp for putting Campen in a "tough spot."

McCarthy said the Packers told Campen to visit Favre as a friend, not on behalf of the team, once they had heard Favre was having second thoughts about retirement earlier in the offseason. McCarthy said it was Favre and his representatives, not the team, who turned Campen into an "intermediary" between Favre and the front office.

"I think he's totally, wrongly been illustrated in this," McCarthy said. "Ted would not even talk to Campen about this. He said, 'Hey, your personal relationship with Brett Favre is bigger than this, so don't ever put yourself in that position.' … James was put in a tough spot. He was put in a situation that was purely personal."

While Favre's comment isn't likely to get Campen fired, it certainly didn't do his old buddy's career any favors. Would another team consider hiring Campen away for a more prestigious job if it seems like he's capable of undermining their front office?

McCarthy said Saturday that Campen would not be available for interviews.

Meanwhile, members of the Packers' management team could face a few awkward moments of their own next week, as the Packers hold their annual shareholders meeting at Lambeau Field July 24.

A movement to rally fan support for Favre has fizzled so far -- a rally in Green Bay drew fewer than 200 fans Sunday, and Monday's rally in the Milwaukee suburbs drew only 30 despite widespread local media attention -- but shareholders supporting Favre could call attention to the issue.

Shareholders aren't given the chance to ask questions during the meeting, but Packers president and CEO Mark Murphy and Thompson are expected to be present in the Lambeau Field Atrium area to mingle with them and answer their questions afterward, along with other members of the Packers' staff.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen, ESPN.com's John Clayton and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

And we thought the Bentley mess was bad?
Can you imagine this crap going on?
Farve SHOULD just retire and let it go.

No doubt! It irritates a lot of us on the outside looking in, just imagine being a Packer fan with the split factions of wanting him to go and wanting him to stay....

I don't get it??? Doesn't he have to apply for reinstatement before the Packers would decide anything? Soooo, isn't it really Brett's move? Great idea not doing anything "right now". Why not wait until training camp and the pre-season to really muddle things up

I've always thought well of Favre, but he's slowly wearing any good will away.

If he applies for re-instatement, but then doesn't show up at the Packers training camp, they can fine him $15,000 a day I believe. If he doesn't apply, they can't fine him.

At least that's my understanding. Methinks he's not applying because he doesn't want to lose $15,000 per day once camp starts.

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you all should take a trip to one of the packers forums. its always funny to watch another organization reel in turmoil over something like this. I visited the falcons forums during the vick incident. went to the patriots forums over all their cheating crap.. now greenbay. It gives you an inside look to how the fans feel. Its always good. and it always makes me feel good to be a browns fan, especially right now.

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Nothing was funnier than the Penguins forum after they got drilled by the Red Wings the first two games of the Cup finals.

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Out of the last few years i thought the worst time was when a lot of people wanted Carthon canned.

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You have to admit, that playbook done in crayon was hilarious.

just clicking...like I'm sure many here

I'm getting really sick of this Favre thing from the media coverage....90% of our National media stuff especially NFL network.

Hopefully this is just because we are in a dead zone and they will report real news in the near future when camps start.

JMHGettingSickAboutFavre!

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Just read this and thought it was interesting...

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Packers accusing Vikings of 'illegal contact' with Favre
NFL.com Wire Reports


While the next step in Brett Favre's plan to return to the field remains unclear, the latest twist in the saga surrounding the future Hall of Fame quarterback is that the Green Bay Packers are serious about keeping him away from NFC North rivals.

The Packers have filed tampering charges with the NFL against the Minnesota Vikings for what they deem to be "illegal contact" with Favre, reports NFL Network's Adam Schefter.



A person familiar with the Packers' complaint told The Associated Press Wednesday night that Packers officials have expressed their belief that interest from the Vikings was driving Favre's sudden change of heart about playing football in 2008.

"They feel like Favre had something (in place), and that's why he was so anxious to get his release all of a sudden," said the person , who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

The person said the league already has reviewed evidence provided by the Packers, and team officials believe a league examination of telephone records would indicate more than "normal contact" between Favre and Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, a former Green Bay assistant. According to the person, Packers officials also believe the contact began before Favre and his agent, Bus Cook, formally asked the Packers to release him.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the league had no comment on the report. Packers general manager Ted Thompson also declined comment on tampering rumors in an interview with The AP on Saturday.

It's commonly known that Favre has a close relationship with Bevell, who spent five seasons on the Green Bay staff, including the last three as quarterbacks coach.

If Favre does plan on returning to the field this season, it appears he's willing to take his time in doing so. He has publicly stated his intentions to play this season and has requested his release from the Packers, but has yet to file for reinstatement with the league.

"There's no set deadline for us to file for reinstatement," Favre's agent, James "Bus" Cook, told Schefter during a brief telephone conversation Wednesday. "We have no definitive plans to file those papers. We have until the sixth week of the season to do that. That’s not to say we wouldn’t do it sooner. But right now we have no timeline to file any papers."

Reached Wednesday evening, Packers spokesman Jeff Blumb indicated to The AP that no response was forthcoming from the team.

The Packers placed Favre on the reserve/retired list on April 25, meaning that the future Hall of Famer no longer counted against the team's 80-player roster. To be reinstated off that list, Favre would have to send written notification to the Packers and the NFL of his intentions to play.

Once the league is notified, the Packers would have approximately 24 hours to make a decision to either release Favre or place him on the active roster.

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Basically, what I get out of this is that Favre wants to come back, but not with the Pack. Thus the attempt to get an unconditional release from his contract.

He could force thier hand by applying with the league for reinstatement, but then he runs the risk that the Pack may say,, OK,, Come back in..you are our Backup. and if he wanted a shot at playing, he'd have to accept it or re-retire. The problem for the Pack is the Dollars they gotta pay him to either sit or start...

If Favre requests reinstatement, he's either going to get free or richer.. He's really in a no lose situation. and even if he gets Free, he's gonna get richer..

THe worst thing for him would be,, Collect major bucks for riding the pine.

It really appears that he's trying to engineer his release to join the Vikes...

I have to believe there was a better way to handle this than trying to run a fast one past the Pack..

If this turns out to be the case, I'm going to be very disappointed in Favre