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Jacksonville Jaguars headed to Los Angeles? While the hottest NFL buzz of the moment is whether the Rooney family will sell the Pittsburgh Steelers to financier Stanley Druckenmiller, a bigger football story may be brewing. The Philadelphia Daily News reports that the Jacksonville Jaguars -- a rising playoff team that has had attendance woes in its small market -- may be up for sale and headed to the vacant Los Angeles territory. The News' Paul Domowitch writes that Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver has been shopping his team and, according to several league sources, is negotiating to sell to billionaire C. Dean Metropoulos. Metropoulos fueled his fortune as the former owner of the parent company of such food brands as Duncan Hines, Armour and Mrs. Paul's. Metropoulos has denied he's angling to solve the NFL's biggest demographic problem, but the News says the deal is being brokered by the Galatioto Sports Partners firm that in recent years has greased transfers of ownership of the Washington Redskins and Phoenix Suns. Metropoulos also has been linked to previous efforts to buy the Oakland Raiders and the Miami Dolphins, the News said, although he's denied that as well. The Florida Times-Union says the Jaguars have declined immediate comment on the issue. http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/2008/07/jacksonville-ja.html
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wonder if they will keep their colors and name or if they will change everything up
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1. There never was a strong fan base in Jacksonville. No way they put up a fight for name or colors...if they did it would be a token fight only cause we did so.
But the Browns sold out every game! Even in their return!
Jacksonville rarely did - there would be no use in keeping the colors and name cause once gone. The NFL will not be looking there again!
I've always thought they would be the EXISTING NFL franchise that would move cause they filled the stadium as if it was a USFL team not an NFL team.
It was them or Arizona who never moved in the right direction (known as one of the cheapest franchises) but with Cap and new attitude have moved in the right direction and could gain the local support. But the Jags...always thought they'd be the Team to go to LA. makes sense and quite frankly not many will be swooning about it. They never filled that place. Don't know how they will do in LA but its been a long time since they had a team. There should be fervor about it and having a NON-EXPANSION team can give them instant gratification.
The only messed up thing would be the Division break down. Possibly they could trade places with the Chiefs in the West. That would be the only move to make sense. Houston, Indy, Nashville n KC not all that far from each other.
JMHO - I hope it happens. Not that I like ripping the NFL heart out of anyone especially after our experience. But they never endeared themselves and have proven unworthy for an NFL franchise...blame it on the 30 thousand of non-interest needed to sold out the place. In the HEY DAY OF NFL??? They lost their right.
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As true as that may be, I'd still feel really bad for the true fans the Jags did have if they would be to move.
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J/C and I'll say I think that this is something that could happen very easily for a few reasons...
1. Their TV market is poor. By comparison, I'm positive Youngstown is a bigger TV market than Jacksonville.
2. They are bleeding money. They lost a stadium corporate sponsorship (Alltel), and have trouble generating revenue in general.
3. They will never have the support of the locals who are Gator fans. They will always be second fiddle.
4. Their stadium I believe is on the smaller end also.
It's no secret the league has been pimping LA to every down and out franchise. Unofficially, I've heard the goal was always a team in LA by I think 2010. It came close to being the Saints after Katrina, but after the region was so decimated and the public outcry was so strong that the Saints would have been finished.
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Florida is filled with giant amounts of fair weather fans for all their sports, besides its kinda a tough market to go against Tampa Bay (kinda odd to say that) and Miami.
I'll feel bad for any team that ends up playing in LA though. I believe I heard that they won't let them build another stadium and will make 'em play in the Colosseum..
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Man, the NFL is gonna do this thing no matter what, eh?
If not Jax, then SOMEONE is bound to lose a team. Honest to God, they haven't learned their lesson yet. LA citizens have consistently shown their ambivalence for NFL football for years.... they just don't care that much.
Now it's true that even at it's most apathetic, LA will fill a 70K stadium, but you'll never see the kind of rampant fanaticism from them that you see in say, Browns or Steelers fans. If Jax gets shipped to the left coast, there's nothing stopping another move once they get there. Bidnisses get sold all the time, and it's not a stretch to see LA lose ANOTHER franchise to a deafening shrug by the natives.
If you ask me, LA is only slightly more deserving of an NFL team than Jacksonville.
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I never wanted to say this before, but personally, I never understood the need for a team in Jacksonville.. They have the Tampa Bay Bucs and the Dolphins in Florida.. three teams in that state was always overkill in my mind anyway.
Hell, NY has 3 teams (for now, but rumors are that Buffalo may move to Toronto,,, iffy rumor at best) but it's NY.. California has 3 teams, but again, it's California.. HUGE MARKET and it could be 4 and still support them all if they win.
Florida simply can't support 3 teams,,, Ohio couldn't either, neither could PA for that matter.. Texas maybe could.. MAYBE!
I actually think it would be a terrific move.
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I wouldnt be so sure about the jags fan base because I remeber a few months back Clown Hunter said this:
"I live in Jax and they have the most pitiful fans ever. You will rarely see a Jag fan. This morning on the news they were talking about potential blackouts again for this year because of low attendance."
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With all thats being said how bad Jacksonville is, i for one would be sad to see them move.
I always go to the games against the Browns. Love how they have the river boat taxi to take you to the bars, stadium and back to your hotel. For those of you who may have the chance to go this coming season i would highly recommend it. JMO.
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I wouldnt be so sure about the jags fan base because I remeber a few months back Clown Hunter said this:
Well, yeah, I think you need to go back and reread my post.. I never thought there was a fan base big enough to support 3 teams in Florida.. So I think it's a great idea to move them to LA...
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J/C I really doubt anyone will move to L.A. We have too much politics going on to have a team find a stadium. Every stadium and politician wants there hat thrown into the ring. Coliseum commission, Rose Bowl, build a new stadium in Irwindale, build a new stadium near the forum, or a new stadium near the Staple Center. L.A. can't make up their mind where to have a team play.  By the time L.A. can even decide where a team can play, the other city caves in and builds their team a new stadium. L. A. doesn't deserve a team.
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Well, yeah, I think you need to go back and reread my post.. I never thought there was a fan base big enough to support 3 teams in Florida.. So I think it's a great idea to move them to LA...
Another place where the fans really don't give a rip...
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WOW! I attended the very last game in Jacksonville on December 24, 1995 before Modell moved the team. I remember it well, I was interviewed before the game and was on the eleven o'clock news that night talking about the Browns move to Baltimore. I had several hundred fans tell me how upset they were that the Browns were leaving Cleveland...and now they are possibly going through the same situation. It is true, they never had great fan support....the last few times I have been up there for a game, the stadium had a LOT of empty seats. Between the Bucs and Dolphins....and the Gators, Seminoles, and the Bulls...the state of Florida is plentiful with football, and the Jags will not be missed by many. I think it would be a better idea to just ship the Bengals west....that would take a lot of criminals out of the state of Ohio! 
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Any move would mess with the divisions.....who knows, you might see a team swap from NFC to AFC to make something like this more workable.
You would just have to sit down with a map and see what might make some sense.
I agree...Jacksonville was never a good marriage. Between a large population of Navy personnel, who one would assume would carry their team allegiance from wherever it is they come from, to all the snowbirds who flock to Fla for the winter from places white and cold, it is hard for a town that size to really develop a strong fan base. Miami and Tampa are big enough with stable populations to be able to manage...Jacksonville can't....Orlando would be the only other Florida town big enough with a stable population to be able to support a NFL team....and even then, that is a big question mark.
As to name and colors....I think it should be a rule that if a team moves, the name must change.
Actually, Nashville was the first place to say they really didn't want the name Oilers..they finally made the team change after a season or two.
Good for them.
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Well, yeah, I think you need to go back and reread my post.. I never thought there was a fan base big enough to support 3 teams in Florida.. So I think it's a great idea to move them to LA...
That was an accident on my part. I was refering to anyone who believed that the jag fans were "loyal diehards."
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Having grown up in Y-Town and (unfortunately) having to still go there to see family and friends, I was skeptical at this claim.
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Jacksonville - #49 with 655,470 TV households
Youngstown - #106 with 273,480. Less than half of Jax.
I imagine they're not counting stolen TVs, or broken ones out in the yard. That may have dragged the numbers down some ...
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Maybe they should just move the team to Albuquerque. Great town, they'd obviously be the #1 game in town and bigger market than Jax.
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Or we could bring back the Hartford Whalers...in a different sport
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Plus, if Sante Fe counts for Alb., then Providence counts for Hartford, which takes them up to #16 (above Miami and yes, Cleveland).
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All that being said, JAX is doubtful to be going anywhere. They just had a new stadium built with tax-payer money (remember, that is why they got to host the Superbowl).
if the lawmakers didn't give them an ironclad lease to go with that funding, then they are even bigger fools than most lawmakers (so, i won't rule it out)
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Jags are going no where. Every season some rumors pop up about nfl teams moving....The Raiders back to LA or The Rams back to LA yada yada yada. They are restructing their debt. Wayne Weaver came out today and said "Not 4 sale!"
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If not Jax, then SOMEONE is bound to lose a team. Honest to God, they haven't learned their lesson yet. LA citizens have consistently shown their ambivalence for NFL football for years.... they just don't care that much.
As usual, Clem nails it down in a couple of sentences.
LA is really no better than Jax as far as team support.
It's just a better SuperBowl venue. (and 'technicaly', a bigger media market)
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It isn't just a larger media market, it is a HUGE market and it is also, by far, a higher income area. The higher cost of living allows for the ability to charge more per ticket and also makes regular merchandise more affordable allowing for more sales.
The size of the media market allows for MASSIVE local TV contracts. With the new economic model that the NFL is using with PSL's and local revenues, it WILL succeed this time.
If the Bay Area can support two teams on opposite sides of a bridge, they can definitely get a team to thrive by itself in L.A.... especially if it is a team NOT associated with Al "The Insane One" Davis.
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I don't think this will happen... Especially since they are doing so well as of late... Their fan base is growing..
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Im conviced it will either be detroit or arizona. More likely detroit because arizona has a brand new stadium.
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No way the Ford family moves the Lions out of Detroit.. I don't see that at all....
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If the Bay Area can support two teams on opposite sides of a bridge, they can definitely get a team to thrive by itself in L.A....
Why then are the Rams in St. Louis?
Answer: Lack of support from the sushi crowd.
Sure, it's a bigger TV market...but if you can't sell out your games who's watching? Not the local market.
...and they weren't always in the coliseum.
...and they had some good teams.....with Henry Ellard and Flipper Anderson.
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The Lions aren't leaving Detroit
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1. Their TV market is poor. By comparison, I'm positive Youngstown is a bigger TV market than Jacksonville.
Having grown up in Y-Town and (unfortunately) having to still go there to see family and friends, I was skeptical at this claim.
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Youngstown - #106 with 273,480. Less than half of Jax.
I imagine they're not counting stolen TVs, or broken ones out in the yard. That may have dragged the numbers down some ...
in the advertising world... DMA's are fancy numbers that really are garbage. Look at the stats... It includes akron/canton which is not really in the same market. TV/Raido reps use them to sell commercials but they all know the numbers are off based on National Stats.
How do I know? cause I'm an Internet Marketing Consultant for local business and i have several friends in TV/Radio/print.
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I don't think that LA deserves a team. It isn't a matter of IF they can support a team but rather a matter of IF they WILL support a team in LA. They had two teams (Rams and Raiders) and supported neither.
While it is hard to think that Illinois would ever not support the Bears, I think Chicago could (and has) supported two teams in the past.
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Having lived in LA for a decade I think the NFL could take root there but they have to be resigned to the idea of the slow build. LA NFL fans are by and large Raiders fans. The Rams just never fit but the Raiders still have deep roots. Watch any LA rap video - lol.
For the NFL to work in LA a team would need to be really tailored to the city. It's going to be about a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with football right off the bat. There's got to be a look and style associated with the team. Say what you want about the Raiders but they had their marketing down - it really worked in LA. Then they need bad boy next door stars. In LA, you need stars, players with charisma. If they could pick any team in the league other than the Raiders I think LA football fans want to be Dallas. The Raiders had some of that mystique but Davis was a freak of an owner.
LA will never be the town to consistently sell 60K seats in an off year. But their TV ratings will always be good. And the economics of the league has largely shifted that way in the last 10 years. If they play it right the NFL could work in LA.
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 Just what convinces you Detroit will move? Ford Field is all of what....5 years old?
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I don't think that LA deserves a team. It isn't a matter of IF they can support a team but rather a matter of IF they WILL support a team in LA. They had two teams (Rams and Raiders) and supported neither.
While it is hard to think that Illinois would ever not support the Bears, I think Chicago could (and has) supported two teams in the past.
On the perceived negatives LA has...I don't really buy that.
Their problem was where they played. If you have ever been there, you had seats about 400 yards away from the action at the coliseum, and the other facilities are old college football bowls with the same problem. You are sitting a mile away from the field.
If they get a team, they will have to build a facility that is more representative of what todays NFL fan expects.
If they do that, LA will sell their 70,000 seats per game.
Plus...those places seated about a million people each...whenever you get a fan base accustomed to being able to walk up and buy tickets on gameday, you end up with poor attendance....it's raining today, we will go next week, it's 95 outside, lets skip it today....once you have the ticket in hand, you go unless it is really, really bad.
You have to sell seats before hand..smaller stadiums create a demand factor you don't have with places that seat 150,000 people on wood slab benches.
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Well the LA fans aren't the most passionate either..
Wonder if they'd really support a new team...
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I don't think that LA deserves a team. It isn't a matter of IF they can support a team but rather a matter of IF they WILL support a team in LA. They had two teams (Rams and Raiders) and supported neither.
You never heard me say or seen me write that LA deserves a team. They've had two and supported neither. Them deserving it has nothing to do with me thinking it's a good move.
2 reasons exist why I think it's a good move for the NFL and the Jags.
1. If your not going to be supported, may as well NOT be supported in a community where the revenue is greater by virtue of the sheer size of the market.
2. Florida doesn't need 3 NFL teams.
It has nothing to do with LA deserving them. They simply don't. But they'll be willing to put up MAJOR bucks to the owner of the Jags to move a team there.
Remember when the Browns moved to Balitmore.. Modell was GUARANTEED sell outs for 10 years.. The city or state was willing to make up any shortfall in ticket sales.
You can bet that LA will do the same. And probably a hell of a lot more to get an NFL Franchise back.
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"Why then are the Rams in St. Louis?
Answer: Lack of support from the sushi crowd."
hmmm...wasn't their new owner via her husband passing away and her inheriting the team - from the St. Louis area? I'm sure that didn't have anything to do with it.
What is a shame is that LA can't spring for a new state of the art Stadium...and no it doesn't have to be one up or equal to Dallas. My goodness if a relatively poor city like Cleveland can pony up in cooperation with the NFL for a new stadium - surely LA could since they are the largest city in the USA per capita.
I knew many LA - Suburbians who transplanted to NY and were Die Hard Rams fans. The coliseum was never a good venue to watch a football game. People opted to watch on TV in their AC'd comfort and save money...there is a middle class out of all those millions in the area and immediate suburbs. Not all eat Sushi and some are actually big time football lovers.
Also with the JAGS as hit upon the LA crowd and young impressionable new fans who have never had a team to sink their teeth in. Would need a winner. Once there is success - you get lifetime fans...as well as the fairweather ones. The Jags have a pretty good team straight up from the beginning! Jack DelRio is the kind of HC that they would love!
Yes, I think if LA went expansion their interest would pale in comparison to us getting back our Browns and suffering the years of construction. As with the Texans and Houston where Football is part of their way of living. But a ready for PRIME TIME team. Would fair well - at least have a shot. But the extra money it would bring to the LEAGUE...I'm sure they are all for it.
Jacksonville...LA...Jacksonville...LA???
Anyway I do feel bad for the 20,000 strong fan base they possess...and thats with a competitive team. If the Jags fell to mediocre for 2-3 years the place would be empty.
It just was a mistake...its reminds me of the USFL and the places they chose to bring their game to. With similar results.
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Carroll Rosenblum traded the Colts to Robert Irsay for the Rams in 1972. Irsay bought the team from the estate of Dan Reeves. (no not that dan reeves LOL)
In 1979 Carroll Rosenbloom dies April 2 and his widow, Georgia, becomes majority owner.
In 1995 Frontiere moves franchise to St. Louis after 49 years in Southern California.
I'd say it didn't have a thing to do with where she was from,, more to the point, it had way more to do with $$$$$$$$$$.. If Georgia Frontirie was from St Louis, I'd say that was just a bonus.
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well LA does support its team.. but they mainly are UCLA and USC. and of course the Raiders.. But i see a bigger support of the two college teams out here.
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Like any major college team, you have 20,000 students on student ticket prices, plus facilty, and university employees who get free to cheap tickets.
If it is like a Gator game, which I am sure it is, you probably have 35,000 people on cheap or free seating.
Major colleges also have a much larger fan base. As people graduate and move on into life, they still follow the college team. On any given game, you might have another 3-5 thousand alumni who are back for the weekend to sing Bula Bula and cheer for the old college team.
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