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"WHAT?? He completed a pass?? Wow."

No agenda on my part...just the truth. It was the first clip they showed...a little down and out to 83. Ask me if I care which, who threw a completion, INT, TD in a daily practice. I do care who is showing progress over the long haul and who isn't but I stated that for two reasons.
1. Its what happened. Opening shot of BQ passing...then all Rogers.
2. They seemed to go out of their way to show BQ??? Did DA throw at all? Just the frame of mind of the National media.

JMHObservations.

I was being a smart ass about BQ completing a pass since all I've heard about were his interceptions.

j/c

I thought this could go here...

Browns camp tour: Will new defensive girth be all it's worth?
July 25, 2008
By Pete Prisco
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Tell Pete your opinion!

BEREA, Ohio -- The fun stuff was happening on one part of the field here at the Cleveland Browns' training facility this week. That's where the pass catchers, young stars like Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow, were hauling balls from big-armed quarterback Derek Anderson and prospect Brady Quinn, making it look so easy and so appealing to the eye.

{Out of Nowhere Man
Outside linebacker Alex Hall comes to the Browns from Division II St. Augustine College. He was a seventh-round pick in the April draft and general manager Phil Savage's face glows when talking about the kid. At 6-5, 250 pounds, he has great speed off the edge. The Browns are deep at his position, but keep an eye out for this one.}

That's what we've come to expect from the Browns, but the real key to the team's fortunes in 2008 aren't these glamour boys. Across the field, far away from most of the eyeballs on this summer day, there stood nearly 700 pounds of man that will be the difference in this year's Browns team and the group that went 10-6 last season.

Most in the crowd paid little attention to Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams during this Thursday morning practice, even if their combined 700-pound weight makes it hard to miss them. With footballs filling the air, it's tough to pull your eyes away to the big bodies. But forget about Edwards, Winslow and Co. for a minute (it's hard to do for a passing junkie like me) because if Rogers and Williams can do what general manager Phil Savage thinks they can, the Browns just might win the AFC North -- maybe even more.

Savage traded draft picks to get both of them during the spring in an attempt to improve a run defense that gave up an eye-opening 4.5 per rush, which was tied for 30th in the league. The Browns also gave up 129.5 rush yards per game, which was 27th in the league.

That's what they call getting gashed.

"I know when we got them we were certainly trying to solidify the front wall," Savage said.

No, Phil. They are the wall. At 6-4 359 pounds, Rogers is a massive man who makes the 6-4, 335-pound Williams look small. Add those two to a group that already included two 300-pound players in Shaun Smith and Robaire Smith and you have one rather large group of down linemen in this 3-4 scheme.

Getting run over for a defense is demoralizing. It can be for a team, too. The opponent controls the clock, but it's more than that. It cuts at the very fiber of what coaches believe you must do to win. How many times can a defense hear the sideline screaming: 'Get them off the damn field!'?

Imagine how tough it was to watch for Browns coach Romeo Crennel, who got his head-coaching job for his work on the defensive side of the ball.

"We weren't very good," Crennel said.

That's why Savage did something this spring that goes against the grain in everything he believes in as a general manager. Savage came to the Browns after a career as a college scout, meaning draft picks are very valuable to him and parting with them isn't easy.

When he traded a second-round pick to the Green Bay Packers to get Williams and then followed that up by shipping corner Leigh Bodden and a third-round pick to get Rogers, it was a stark contrast to the way he believes a team should be built. The Browns also gave the two a combined $80 million for their new contracts, if they play with the team for the full length of them. Counting the $20 million the team paid the two Smith's to come over as free agents, that's $100 million they have invested in that front.

You think they're just a little desperate to fix that run defense?

Williams, the more talkative of the two, guaranteed to me that the run defense would not be a problem in 2008.

"We will make it (yards-per-rush) under four," Williams said.

Williams played four seasons with the Packers, starting 20 games the past two. He had seven sacks each of the past two seasons, earning a reputation as an inside pass rusher at tackle. Now he will move to end in the Browns' defense. That will be a challenge since the ends in that scheme are more like occupiers to let the linebackers make the tackles. It's not pass-rush first, either.

"Things happen a lot slower than they do on the inside," Williams said. "I'm just trying to get my timing down and get used to playing on the edge."

Rogers, who Williams says has quickly become a good friend, is the more intriguing story of the two. A couple of seasons ago he was pegged as one of the top defensive tackles in the game. He followed that up by earning a reputation for being lazy and out of shape. His weight became an issue with the Lions last season, with word that he let it get to four hundred at one point.

That infuriated a coaching staff that saw his wonderful athletic ability going to waste. This is a man who dunked a ball left-handed this off-season during pre-game warmups for a charity basketball game, even though he weighed 375 pounds.

At his current 359 pounds, Rogers is light on his feet. He was so light that he brushed off reporters after a morning practice then declined an interview request following the team's evening practice.

Crennel, so far, has been impressed with Rogers' commitment.

"What's in the past is in the past," Crennel said. "We have to judge him on what we've seen since he's been here. And he's been good to us. I think the change of scenery probably helped him. I've seen it before. At New England when I was there we had Corey Dillon and he was a problem in Cincinnati and comes to us and he's no problem at all. Randy Moss goes to New England and he's no problem. With Shaun, he's been no problem here. He's got something to prove."

Rogers and Williams both do. They have to show they can help choke off the opposition's running game. There can't be many more Sunday afternoons in Cleveland watching teams grind the Browns to death. No matter how good an offense they have, a 4.5-per rush average for the defense won't translate to a division title.

That's why away from the attention of the playmakers, it might be wise for those attending Browns practices to watch the two big newcomers do their thing. Seven hundred pounds never looked so good.

prisco article

never thought it to be a problem just thought I'd be more thorough as it seems to be a touchy subject to many.

Well, change of plans. My daughter just started running a fever and has been crying. Started getting a runny nose last night, so it looks like I'll be staying home with her and missing camp.

See, now I'm glad I took off Monday to go to camp in case it rained or something happened today. Hopefully I'll make it on Monday.

I hope diam didnt read the article

Crennel is gonna love his defense so much now... He's gonna be skipping up and down the sidelines now... lol... That front 3 rotation is going to be a KILLER for opposing teams.

just talking....

1) They'd be stupid to run his way

2) I feel sorry for all the QB's that he's going to land on...

Like someone else said, we know what our Oline is capable of, that they're a top-5 line. So if these new guys on our Dline are blowing them up, what's that going to mean when we're playing against a team with a lesser Oline (a certain team not too far from here comes to mind)? I can't say for sure, but the prospect puts a huge grin on my face.

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This is a man [Rogers] who dunked a ball left-handed this off-season during pre-game warmups for a charity basketball game, even though he weighed 375 pounds.

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If this is true, then this is insanely incredible.

You know what makes this even sweeter. We got Rogers after the Bengals blew it. Now instead of us worrying about blocking him twice a year, the Bengals, Steelers, and Ravens do. Double score

i wanna see rogers go fllying into the dawg pound if he ever takes one to the house

That would mark the first time in history that someone knocked over an entire side to a stadium.

I can't wait to see this D-Line against the supposed best line in the NFL (Cowboys) Rogers might be just too much to handle.

I'm more concerned with the fact that Quinn didn't tackle Rogers after he intercepted the ball.

I have a feeling that this D-line is going to make us smile a lot this season. It's going to be nice to have a dawg bona-fide O-line and D-line this year.
I think that we're going to be a team that other teams hate to play.

It all starts in the trenches.....

We never had even a decent OL. We've had decent players on the DL before, but the improvements Phil has made have been drastic.

The man gets it. He truly does. I honestly can say that there's nobody else out there I'd rather have running this team than Phil Savage.

B. Edwards, Anderson, Quinn, J. Lewis, J Thomas, Eric Steinbeck, Hank Fraley, S Rogers, C. Williams, K Wimbley, etc, etc. Quite a list, and I know I probably missed some. Look at the guys Savage has brought in the last few years. Great players, Class acts like J Thomas and Wimbley, hard working guys like H Fraley and the aforementioned I give Phil an A+

Our current players seem to have talent, chemistry, the right attitude, ( a tribute to Romeo Crennell and the coaching staff), and hunger. This could be a very nice year if everything goes well.

I forgot to mention Zastudil and Cribbs, I think they came in during Phil's term as well.

But what impressed me most was the clips of his one on one battles....or should I say WHAT BATTLES!!! He just blew Fraley away. There is NO POSSIBLE way a team can even think of handling Rogers with one on one..
Thats the thing with Rodgers..if his mind is into it, he's unblockable..