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Ohio State cornerback Malcolm Jenkins isn't sure how the Buckeyes became one of college football's most hated teams.


Maybe it's the way many Buckeye fans refer to their school as "The" Ohio State University. Maybe it's coach Jim Tressel's sweater vests.

Or maybe it's just all the winning.


"It doesn't surprise me," Jenkins said. "Half the nation doesn't like Ohio State."


On the eve of the 2008 season, many college football fans can't stomach the thought of the Buckeyes once again playing in the BCS championship game. Ohio State lost to Florida 41-14 in the 2006 national title game and 38-24 to LSU last season.


"We lost the games," Jenkins said. "If I was a fan, I'd probably say the same things."


Now that Notre Dame isn't winning very often, the Fighting Irish are no longer the team college football fans love to hate. Teams such as Ohio State, Florida, Oklahoma and USC are the ones that have fans' veins boiling with hatred -- or, worse, envy.


With teams across the country opening preseason camp next week, the sport's best collegiate teams are the ones attached to dart boards. And there are many reasons college football fans love to hate them:


Michigan hates Ohio State because the Buckeyes added four more Ls to Lloyd Carr's first name. The Buckeyes hate Michigan because Carr no longer coaches there.

Florida hates Georgia because the Bulldogs last season danced in the end zone -- and because Urban Meyer didn't think of doing it first. The Bulldogs hate Florida because Tim Tebow dances with stars.


Alabama hates Tennessee because Phillip Fulmer became a sleuth. The Volunteers hate Alabama because the Crimson Tide finally have someone who can coach.


Notre Dame hates Navy because it can't even beat the Midshipmen anymore. Navy hates that it doesn't have coach Paul Johnson anymore.


Florida State's Bobby Bowden hates that Penn State's Joe Paterno won't just quit. Fans of both schools hate that neither one of them has quit.


West Virginia hates Michigan because Rich Rodriguez coaches there. Pittsburgh hates West Virginia because Rodriguez still isn't there.


Texas hates Oklahoma because the Sooners beat the Longhorns with players from Texas. Oklahoma hates Texas because the Horns win their bowl games.


The ACC hates that it hasn't become the SEC. The SEC hates that it leads the country in parolees.


LSU hates that it opens the season against Appalachian State. The Mountaineers hate that they don't get to play Michigan again.

USC hates UCLA because the Bruins hired a cheater. UCLA hates USC because the Trojans still haven't been caught cheating.


LSU hates Alabama because Nick Saban referred to a Tiger fan in not the nicest of terms. Alabama hates Mike Shula because the team Saban inherited can't beat anyone's butts.


Notre Dame hates Illinois because Ron Zook outworks the Irish in recruiting. The Illini hate Iowa because the Hawkeyes still outcoach them.


Louisville hates Arkansas because Bobby Petrino coaches there. The Cardinals hate Petrino because he left them his players.


Stanford hates that it upset USC but couldn't even beat Notre Dame. The Fighting Irish hate that each of Charlie Weis' victories cost more than $1 million.


Kansas hates Missouri because the Tigers beat it. Missouri hates the Jayhawks because it really didn't matter when the BCS invitations were delivered.


Alabama hates Auburn because Tommy Tuberville has two thumbs. The Tigers hate South Florida because the Bulls turned them into bums.


Tennessee hates Duke because the Blue Devils stole its best coach. Clemson hates Arkansas because the Razorbacks didn't hire its coach.


Miami hates Virginia for running up the score. The Cavaliers hate Wyoming because the Cowboys barely let them score.


Steve Spurrier hates that he can't teach South Carolina how to win a title. Georgia fans hate that Spurrier didn't forget how to beat them.


At least there's one thing in which all college football fans can agree: We hate that there are still five more weeks until college football season begins.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/st...mp;lid=tab1pos1

I've been noticing the HATE alot here lately......but, "I LOVE IT".....its envy & jealousy!!!

They only hate us b/c they wanna be us! (and nothing out of you Peen lol )

O-H!!!!

IO!!!!!!!!!

I'm so happy we made the top 5 in the most hated sports team list!!! Only thing we share with all the other teams on that list is that we win consistnatly. which IMO is the only reason ppl hate us...(i can't wait for some haters to crash this buckeye thread)

These videos give me chills

There Are No Excuses


Where Amazing Happens



Is it football season yet?

Florida for sure! Their fans are rude to opposing fans!

The videos are amazing, every day that it gets closer, I get more an more anxious.

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we win consistnatly. which IMO is the only reason ppl hate us...

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Your opinion is wrong... but I won't crash your thread....

Oh, it's right, but I won't ruin the thread telling you why.

Then please explain to me why it is if OSU plays another school that wins consistently, the majority of people with no personal preference root for the other team? If OSU were to play USC for the national championship, and consistantly winning and jealousy is the determining factor in who to hate, then they should be equally hated, but they're not... please explain.

Not going to crash the thread, huh? I swear, you are getting worse than the Michigan folks. You may see that in your circles, I don't think it's near as prevelant as you say.

people don't like ohio state for many reaons, as peen pointed out, they have dominated a conference that has flat out sucked for the past, oh 4 or 5 years...

they have a large following, and it leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you go to see your team play, and they have more fans in your stadium then your team does...

and like i have pointed out before, it's ohio, and outside of the reds a long ass time ago, there has been no championship to brag about, ohio state went undefeated in 2002, and considering the way they were treated going into that title game, they have been shoving it in people's faces ever since.

and pumping out more first round talent than any other school in the nation is something that a lot of hardcore fans can be jelous of.

ohio state is what notre dame used to be.

Human nature... Who would want to be a nut off a tree anyway... They play in the soft 10... The Fawn Eyes are extremely over-rated and have been getting jobbed in the post season in recent years... There are countless other reasons...

I should talk I'm a OU fan... Boomer Sooner baby!!!

OU has 7 National titles and they play in the toughest division in div. 1. And if our coach doesn't produce another NC soon his arse is history... Again, human nature...

OU? Please! They can't even beat Boise State.

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Many don't think OSU would dominate anywhere near as much if they were somehow shipped into the ACC,SEC, or PAC 10.

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I would typically agree with that except for the ACC recently. I think it would give OSU better competition than the Big 10, but nobody in the ACC would have been expected to beat OSU for a few years now.... Va Tech has been the ACCs most consistent team lately and they wouldn't beat OSU.

Theres only one team in the pac 10 I think OSU would struggle against and its obviously USC. The only team in the ACC I think OSU would struggle against would be virginia tech. Its kind of interesting how similar both teams play good special teams and solid defense.

1. USC- Well get our shot

2. ASU- if anyone east of the Misssissip saw this game between the 2... this was NO game

3. Oregon- Sucks that there QB was hurt

4. CAL- Destroyed by tennessee

5. OSU- got beat by CINCY like a rented mule... 53-10?

6. Washington- Beat them

7. AZ- hasnt been good in 15 years.

8. WSU- plzzzz. there's really nothing here to stare at.... move on..

9. Stanford- Nuff said

Leave it to ESPN to give us a horribly inaccurate portrayal of NCAA football.

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Now that Notre Dame isn't winning very often, the Fighting Irish are no longer the team college football fans love to hate. Teams such as Ohio State, Florida, Oklahoma and USC are the ones that have fans' veins boiling with hatred -- or, worse, envy.

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Right...there's no Notre Dame hating going on. If you believe that then you aren't paying attention to college football anymore. There was a cover story in The Sporting News just a couple weeks ago about why people hate Charlie Weis. A cover story. About Notre Dame's coach. After a 3 win season. Trust me, the hate continues.

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Notre Dame hates Navy because it can't even beat the Midshipmen anymore. Navy hates that it doesn't have coach Paul Johnson anymore.

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I can assure you that ND does not hate Navy.

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Notre Dame hates Illinois because Ron Zook outworks the Irish in recruiting. The Illini hate Iowa because the Hawkeyes still outcoach them.

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I can assure you that ND couldn't care less about Illinois or Ron Zook. And to say that Zook outworks the Irish in recruiting is absurd. They got 2 guys that ND targeted. Meanwhile, ND nabbed about a dozen guys that Michigan targeted and a few that Illinois and Ohio State also targeted. Weis didn't haul in a top 5 recruiting class by getting outworked by Zook.

Fans dislike Ohio State mostly because of Ohio State's fans. It is pretty widely agreed upon that OSU fans are the most obnoxious in the country.

1. ohio state's fans aren't even in the same category as obnoxious when you talk about how bad sec fans are.

2. the toughest div in 1a is the big 12? lolz

3. i agree, the irish have not been outrecruiting by zook and illinois, actually notre dame's recruitment has been pretty damn good the last few years... i think weis is the problem, he is an nfl coach, not a college coach.

It doesnt matter who you recruit it matters how you use them. Group A had higher rankings then group B. SEC fans are above and beyond everyone when it comes to arrogance and being obnoxious. Oh yeah Notre Dame managed to nab only 2 players offered by OSU. Kyle Rudolph and Michael Floyd.

Group A
Mike Kudla
Stan White, Jr.
Brandon Mitchell
Maurice Clarett
Mike D'Andrea
Roy Hall
Tim Schafer
Tyler Everett
Justin Zwick
RJ Coleman
EJ Underwood

Group B
A.J Hawk
TJ Downing
Nick Mangold
Quinn Pitcock
Joel Penton
Rob Sims
Doug Datish
Troy Smith
Bobby Carpenter
Nate Salley
Jay Richardson
Mike Roberts

Thats fair I gues. Its not who they lost to. I was pointing out how some of them were destroyed. Good teams usually are not embarrased and blown out. As of right now there are only 3 teams that would give OSU a scare. Clemson, USC and VA tech.

Washington- They have jake locker....thats it
Oregon- No idea who their QB or RB is
Cal- Lost DeSean Jackson and their RB
Boston College- Lost Matt Ryan who was their team
Miami- Still recovering from national championship loss?
Florida State- No idea what happened to them

Oh c'mon Wiskey would beat most everyone in the Pac10. So would penn state. Or even UM, the big ten is a good conference. I don't understand the hate for the big 10..........is it the SEC, no. But I'd say even with everyone else.

I disagree I think the big 10 is better then the pac 10

1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Big Ten
4. Pac 10
5. ACC
6. Big east

Peen,
I also agree with Brownsfan337, but most of those SEC schools are the big state school also.

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S.C. has the Gamecocks and Clemson.
Tennessee...Vols and Vandy
Ky..Wildcats and Louisville
Ga..Bulldogs and Ga Tech

Ala..Bama and Auburn..and Troy makes some noise
Mississippi...Ole Miss and Miss St

You mentioned Florida.

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With Tennesee, the Vols are the main draw. Vandy is like U of Cincy, a good mid-size school (football program) that can sneak up on a team from time to time.

KY - Both of those schools have down nothing in football and they are really both basketball schools. Plus U of L is not in the SEC.

GA - Bulldog country, and Ga Tech gets more love within ATL and they are also not in the SEC although they play the grudge game with the bulldogs.

Miss - Miss st. was the basketball school and without the HEROIC coaching/recruiting of S.Crooms, that program is just now making noise and beating Old Miss. Plus, Old Miss has not done much since the 60s.

Yes, the SEC is probably the best conference right now, but one thing is for sure, they NEVER schedule games with them in DEC..LMAO.. you know you southerners hate the cold!!!

I still don't get why everybody thinks any conference is better than the Big 10.

Big 10 vs. SEC teams in bowls for the '07 Season:

Tennesee (#2 SEC Team) beats Wisconsin (4th place in Big Ten) 21-17

Florida (#3 SEC Team) loses to Michigan (#3 Big Ten team) 41-35
-Michigan gave up two turnovers inside the 1 yard line. -Michigan should have won this game by over 20 points.

LSU (#1 SEC team) beats Ohio State (#1 Big Ten team) 38-24
-Played in Louisiana. Ohio State gets hit with 5 personal fouls which led to LSU scores. OSU suffers a dropped Touchdown pass which led to a blocked field goal.

2008 proved that the #2 SEC team is only 4 points better than the #4 Big Ten team. Also proven was that the #3 Big Ten team is better than the #3 SEC team.

2006 Season

Penn State beats Tennesee 20-10

Wisconsin beats Arkansas 17-14

Florda beats Ohio State 41-14.
(Ohio State's best player scores, and gets hurt on the first play of the game.)


So, the SEC has won 3 games against Big Ten teams over the last two years, and lost 3 games against Big ten teams the last two years.

The aforementioned info proves that the Big Ten is even with what many consider the best conference in college football. Therefore, it is both fair, and logical, to claim that the Big Ten is the best conference in college football.

Muni- I'm starting to think there is no hope for you... Okay, the Big Ten can beat some SEC teams in bowl games. No need to show the record. I know what it is. All people are trying to say is this... What conference schedule would you feel better about playing?...

Ohio State, Illinois, Michigan, Penn State, Purdue, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern, and Minnesota.

Or...

Florida, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Vandy, South Carolina, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, and Alabama.

I think I'd feel better about my chances of going undefeated in the Big Ten.

I liked the analysis but I think the overall talent level from top to bottom is better in the SEC... to me the SEC is the top conference right now hands down...

The Big 12 probably is either at or slight above the level of the Big 10 IMO... and I think the PAC 10 is at or slightly below the Big 10

So my top four would be
1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Big 10
4. PAC 10

But it really doesn't matter...

if OSU can pull off a win against USC at their house I think it will legitimize their high ranking... I think even with a loss if they win out their season they will end up in the top 5 in the country... but you gotta take it one game at a time. I'm really looking forward to Sep 13!

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So, the SEC has won 3 games against Big Ten teams over the last two years, and lost 3 games against Big ten teams the last two years.

The aforementioned info proves that the Big Ten is even with what many consider the best conference in college football. Therefore, it is both fair, and logical, to claim that the Big Ten is the best conference in college football.

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Ok, fair enough... I'm not sure how you went from a 3-3 record to the big 10 being better... wouldn't that indicate a tie? and shouldn't the tie-breaker be.. how did the #1 teams do against each other?

Two different teams have won the national title in the last 2 years, defeating the best the Big 10 had to offer both times. That's pretty good evidence that the SEC is a better football conference right now.

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KY - Both of those schools have down nothing in football and they are really both basketball schools. Plus U of L is not in the SEC.

GA - Bulldog country, and Ga Tech gets more love within ATL and they are also not in the SEC although they play the grudge game with the bulldogs.

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His point wasn't expressly about the SEC, it was that all of those states have divided loyalty, there is more than one option to root for... In Ohio, you have OSU then a smattering of Cincy fans... which helps explain why OSU has so many devoted fans...

and I get that Kentucky and Louisville are both basketball schools, but my guess is that not many people root for Louisville in basketball and Kentucky in football... maybe it happens, but I doubt it.

I understand that and if you look at it, Alabama and Florida have the real split loyalties( in football). Yes, there are schools in those other states that he mentioned but some of those are not really big splits like in Ga, where the bulldogs rule or in Miss where Old Miss was big school and Miss St was the ugly step child. Again, S.Crooms should be coach of the year for what he is pulling off. The reason why I did discounted KY schools is that yes, each school has their base, but what really drives the rivalry is Bball, not football.

And BTW - just a little info for you, you should HATE the illini also because R.Zook's main recruiter is M.Locksley who is stealing ALL THE TALENT out of the DC/MD area! And he was at Maryland but Ralph Friedgen did not want to give him the O-coord position!

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R.Zook's main recruiter is M.Locksley who is stealing ALL THE TALENT out of the DC/MD area!

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All? He took 4 players out of the area this year and only 2 of them were in the DC areas top 20... To get 2 for a mid level program that far away is still pretty good and I'm sure Locksley played a big part... but all? Heck he took like 3 3-stars and a 4-star out of Ohio too...

The Big 10 is tied with the best conference in bowl games over the last two years. To me, the only scale used to measure conferences is their records against each other. So, if the SEC is the best, the Big 10 has to be considered the best.