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BEREA A 9-year-old boy with an autograph pad turned whiny as he leaned over a gallery rope halfway through Sunday's sun-baked practice. "I want this to be over," he moaned. It was a slow camp Sunday, one of the laziest days of training camp for fans. One thing that always snaps awake anyone in the vicinity, though, is the thwack of a Derek Anderson fastball into the meat of a receiver's hands. The slim man whips spirals hard enough to make a grown man cry. "I mean, Derek's a gunslinger," said Jerome Harrison, one of the team's budding home-run targets. Running back Jamal Lewis, who caught 30 passes in 2007 to complement his 1,304 rushing yards, raises his eyebrows when asked about Anderson's "fastball." "For the running backs ... we're the closest ones to him," Lewis said. "He kind of has to take a little zip off it. "He's like a big Randy Johnson ... Randy Johnson throwing a football." Lewis was new to the Browns last year. He caught only two passes in Anderson's first six starts. Over the next six games, though, Lewis caught 19 passes. "He started getting a little more touch on the ball rather than just trying to zip it in there," Lewis said. "You know Anderson can throw the dart, but now it comes in with a little bit of a loft. When he's trying to throw it with more touch, he'll put a little zip on it but it will kind of be floating to you. "You can just let it fall into the basket." General Manager Phil Savage, who looks like a genius for his 2005 waiver claim of Anderson, was asked if the 6-foot-6 passer is in the top 10 percent of NFL quarterbacks in terms of "rocket arm." Savage thought a few moments before concluding, "I would say he's definitely in the top 25 percent." Savage said Anderson throws more than hard enough, harder, probably, than icons Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Savage used a baseball analogy to describe the difference. "Manning and Brady have more pitches," he said. New Browns defensive end Corey Williams spent the last four years practicing against Brett Favre in Green Bay. How does Anderson's "fastball" compare with Favre's? "Good question," Williams said. "I mean, Brett and Derek both throw it pretty hard. I haven't batted one of Derek's balls down yet. I batted one of Brett's balls. He busts some skin." Travis Wilson, the 2006 Round 3 pick aiming for a breakout year at wide receiver, is trying to prove he can handle Anderson's heat. How hard is it to catch a 15-yard pass from Anderson when he's letting it all hang out? "Good question," Wilson said. "Between him and Brady (Quinn), there's a good competition to see who's got the fastest ball. "They sure are throwing it like a baseball sometimes." Quinn is in Anderson's league in terms of throwing gas? Most observers agree: Advantage, Anderson. The consensus is that Anderson can ace the intermediate and deep throws and hang the ball on a clothesline, but needs to improve his short-stuff touch. Harrison has the run-after-catch knack to add some thrills on short passes. "Whenever he throws a ball, you'd better be focused," Harrison said, "but he throws the ball in catchable spots. It's not that hard to catch it. That's what practice is for." Safety Sean Jones said Anderson's ability to zip it does make a difference. "Game-planning against some quarterbacks," Jones said, "you know you're going to have a chance to break on some balls." Mr. Rocket Arm. Is that who Derek Anderson is? The question was put to Head Coach Romeo Crennel: "Well, he has a big arm, and that helps him be a good player, but at that position, it's not only the arm. You've got to be a leader on the team, command the offense. "You have to help guys who need help. So it's the whole package. I think he's doing a good job with all of those things." Source
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Having a rocket arm is great and all, but it is my least desirable trait in a QB. Brains and accuracy are far more important to me. I know Derek has the brains, and he definitely has the zip, I just want to see his accuracy improve. 
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I have nothing but Friday nights video to go by, but it certainly appeared that Anderson has done a little adjusting on his short passes.. Perhaps it's nothing more than my perception, but it sure seemed as if Anderson has a better touch now for short passes.. Yet, he grounded at least one in front of his receiver that I remember,, I believe it was to Edwards. And I seem to remember him overthrowing his receiver at least once.. Of course, that could have been intentional.. not sure to be honest. Overall, it certainly appeared that Anderson has a few things going for him. Leadership, these guys follow him Arm Strength, I don't need to say more Smarts, it's clear he's no dummy.. Size, at 6'6", he can see over his line with no issue Hands, I just had to say it, he's got big hands  (really, I don't know that,, just having some fun) Quick Release, some say that's why the line likes him so much. makes sense to me. Touch, He seems to have improved,, we shall see when the real bullets start flying. But I have confidence in what I saw Friday.. Accuracy, Again, it appeared to me that he improved, but really, how much can you tell from what we saw on Friday.. I still want to see him against some other teams D. Overall, I thought he appeared much more comfortable this year than last. Take that for what it's worth.. But I believe it's true.
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I wonder if all things were equal on the intangibles front - leadership, smarts, work ethic, etc. - between Quinn and DA if people would be willing to live with DA's shortcomings in the passing game considering his big play ability in the vertical game.
Many of the reports coming out of camp are that Quinn just doesn't have the arm DA has and that the offense is 'different' with him in there. So with Quinn you might lose some (or more) of that vertical passing game and the big play potential. The leadership, smarts, short game is there for him ... but would we put up points and give defenses sleepless nights with Quinn at the helm?
I'm started to think that too much is being made of DA's short passing game when considering the alternative. Not that he doesn't need to improve on it, just that it shouldn't be used as a reason to favor Quinn, considering we might gain the short passes with Quinn but lose the vertical game.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Well, Rish, if what Quinn provided was a more accurate short passing game than DA (not saying that's true, just putting it out there for argument sake), then our offense would change. We'd do a lot more marching down the field and attempt less "big" plays. But, at the same time, I'm guessing that Quinn can still hit the big ones, but likely with less consistency than DA. However, if DA can't hit the short ones, defenses can drop back and defend the long passes and take their chances with DA missing the short passes. Hopefully DA has developed that touch. I know it was my belief that he was missing that pretty badly last year. The passes in the flat or the 5-8 yard passes that required just that right amount of float on the ball were often poorly thrown. Do it DA!!! 
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Well, Rish, if what Quinn provided was a more accurate short passing game than DA (not saying that's true, just putting it out there for argument sake), then our offense would change. We'd do a lot more marching down the field and attempt less "big" plays.
But, at the same time, I'm guessing that Quinn can still hit the big ones, but likely with less consistency than DA.
However, if DA can't hit the short ones, defenses can drop back and defend the long passes and take their chances with DA missing the short passes.
I agree with you. I'm just wondering if that's what people would really want. If you just look at it independently, this is an area of DA's game he needs to improve on. But when it's used as an argument to favor Quinn, it could be one of those 'be careful what you wish for' type of things.
I'm not sure what I would prefer. I think some people believe Quinn could be a gamer who plays much better in the game than in practice. I believe I've read that more than once. It could be that his vertical game isn't as bad as DA's short game is and you are actually getting more with Quinn.
I don't know. It was just a thought I had when I read the article.
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I wonder if all things were equal on the intangibles front - leadership, smarts, work ethic, etc. - between Quinn and DA if people would be willing to live with DA's shortcomings in the passing game considering his big play ability in the vertical game.
I think that in a lot of ways, the intangibles are pretty equal.. and as you can see, there are those that want Quinn and those that say,, DA is doing the job, let it alone.
So, as to what you wonder, the answer depends on who you talk to.. I personally am willing to let it ride.
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That's true, we are hearing that, but to be honest, I don't get the feeling and I haven't heard anyone say that it's worse with one and better with the other.. Just different.
During the thing on Friday, Savage was interviewed and he said that it's different with Quinn Vs Anderson. That they just call different things for Quinn than they do for Anderson.. But not once did he say that it was better with Anderson or Quinn.. Just different.
I guess I don't follow other teams enough, but is this the way it is in other NFL cities.. Are there lots of Debates over who should start and who should sit?
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Very good analysis. If anyone here was watching the HOF game last night and Madden commented on what Jim Zorn's (HC Skins) theory of developing a young QB, which is very relevant here to DA short passing improvement being that you have to start at the bottom. His footwork first and foremost. I was impressed with young Colt Brennan on his instincts and quickness of decisions. I know that DA has been working especially on his footwork for this reason alone with Rip Scherer and like everything else it will take time and because of his size you can't expect him to be another Doug Flutie type in setting up for his short passing and avoiding the rush skills. In this day and age of the NFL a QB has to multi-dimensional to avoid the quick pass rushers and still being able to let that long bomb go from a standstill position in the pocket. What do you think?
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So, what are you saying, we need a Hybrid of Quinn for his mobility and Anderson for that arm? Boy, woudn't that be Elway? LOL Just pulling your leg man.. 
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"Whenever he throws a ball, you'd better be focused," Harrison said, "but he throws the ball in catchable spots. It's not that hard to catch it. That's what practice is for."
I hope this is true, and that he has improved on this part of his game. Because last year, there were quite a few times DA really hung our receivers out to dry, that that severely increases the risk of injury.
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I think we're definitely seeing a developing and improving DA. From what little I've read and seen on the vids, his passes are crisp and on target, and the receivers are catching everything... All the receivers including guys like Wilson & Steptoe. Of course there are missed catches, but overall the passing game looks really impressive... Especially when DA airs out an incredible bomb and #17 is there to pull it in... that's got to be scary for defenses, especially since DA is showing he can throw underneath as well. With Stallworth and his RAC ability, a slot guy like Kasper or Wilson, TE's like K2 & Rucker and check downs like Jamal and Harrison, there are weapons everywhere... somebody will be open in that 3-4 second window. I'm thinking with Chud at the helm, we're gonna light it up this year with an offensive season like Browns fans have never seen before... JMHO.
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Anderson, Edwards connecting again Steve King, Staff Writer 08.04.2008 No matter if it's in a game or practice, it's getting to be a familiar sight to Browns fans. Quarterback Derek Anderson throwing the home-run ball to wide receiver Braylon Edwards. They hooked up twice last Friday on Family Night and twice more -- for touchdowns -- in Monday morning's training camp practice. The first was on a post pattern down the middle of the field, while the second was on a go route along the right sideline. Anderson hit Edwards in stride both times, drawing loud cheers from the fans. Those plays looked like some of the 16 TD passes they combined on in 2007, allowing Edwards to set a team record for scoring receptions in a season. "It's fun," Anderson said of the long passes to Edwards. "With his abilities, height and ability to jump, for me it is just giving him a chance to make a play. I enjoy watching him make plays." Last year at this time, as Anderson battled Charlie Frye in camp in an open competition for the starting job, he and the receivers had no real rhythm with each other. There wasn't enough time for that. Now all that has changed, which is key. "The biggest factor in completing long passes is being on the same page, the same angle and getting the ball out there," Anderson said. "Braylon and I talk after each completion or incompletion -- what I saw, what I thought, how his route was, where I threw the ball -- just so he understands what I am thinking at all times." With Anderson and Edwards helping to lead the way, the Browns had one of the most productive offenses in the NFL last year, scoring 402 points, one of the highest totals in team history. Now how do they enhance that? "Continue to make plays and convert more on third down," Anderson said. "I think everything we have done through camp and during the scrimmage (Family Night) was progress. "We are not running exactly the same things as last year. We have new things, getting guys in different positions and just continue to make plays." He added, "But obviously, we are going to stick to the things we were successful with." Like Anderson's long, arching passes to Edwards. Home Page
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Ahh, the double-edged sword of camp progress reports... I'm ecstatic about the potential lethality of our offense, but it doesn't do much to calm my fears about our defense and secondary.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Oh, that's easy to solve, Purp... just click over to the D & CB threads.  
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yeah, but if the D is looking good, then I wonder why our O has back-slid. lol, I need help 
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hehe, not gonna wish away the rest of the summer just for that... I'll just manage with my insanity until it comes along naturally
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Yeah, I hear that... just rest assured that it's mass insanity you're dealing with. You are not alone... we'll get through this together. Hang tough.
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Having a rocket arm is great and all, but it is my least desirable trait in a QB. Brains and accuracy are far more important to me. I know Derek has the brains, and he definitely has the zip, I just want to see his accuracy improve.
I couldn't agree more. Spergon Wynn had a rocket arm but nobody including Spergon knew where his passes were going. When I think about drafting Wynn over Brady it still makes me mad. On the other hand I get a little happy knowing we stole DA from the Baltimore Backstabbers. 
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Always thought he can improve on the touch part of his game...if he works hard he can do it. Hopefully the touch on his Corner Fade route from the Red Zone is getting there. We'll see on the short passes, those have to be spot on target - but it will be nice if DA turns into a stud. Touch is one of the things he must improve on.
So far sounds good
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However, if DA can't hit the short ones, defenses can drop back and defend the long passes and take their chances with DA missing the short passes.
One thing you don't mention is that as defenses drop back to defend the long passes Jamal eats them up. That's the thing, Jamal excels with DA because defenses have to drop back and he has less guys in the box. With shorter passes, defenses could creep up and it will be more difficult for Jamal. Don't forget to factor that in.
I mean you have to take what a defense gives you. DA throws a great long ball, this leaves the short passes less defended and Jamal has an easier time.
You take away the short passes and DA burns you deep really bad, esp now that we have Stallworth.
It's the nice thing about him. He has something that D's have to account for, that makes everything easier for him underneath (which he has trouble with) and for Jamal.
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DA throws a great long ball
He actually throws a terrible long ball...one of the worst. He doesn't arc it correctly, throwing it too flat. When you throw it flat:
1. You better be dead on accurate because you don't allow the WR to adjust under it.
2. You give the DB a greater angle of opportunity to make a play on the ball.
I don't know if it's a misconception or just wrong choice of wording but it's thrown around a lot....when it's false.
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He actually throws a terrible long ball...one of the worst. He doesn't arc it correctly, throwing it too flat. When you throw it flat:
1. You better be dead on accurate because you don't allow the WR to adjust under it.
2. You give the DB a greater angle of opportunity to make a play on the ball.
I don't know if it's a misconception or just wrong choice of wording but it's thrown around a lot....when it's false.
One thing I noticed during family night...
Anderson's deep ball looked a LOT better. There was more air under it. It was apparent on the throw to Edwards and the throw to Stallworth.
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He actually throws a terrible long ball...one of the worst. He doesn't arc it correctly, throwing it too flat. When you throw it flat:
1. You better be dead on accurate because you don't allow the WR to adjust under it.
2. You give the DB a greater angle of opportunity to make a play on the ball.
OK, he doesn't throw the short pass well and now you say he doesn't throw the long ball well,,, why is he our starting QB
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Well, I wasn't a fan of his long ball either. Last season there wasn't nearly enough air on them. They were too flat.
See Carson Palmer for a perfect deep ball. The cannon for an arm and the right amount of arc on it.
His 10-20 yard throws are his greatest strength because they require zip and don't need the arc that a deep ball would.
Of course, he looks like he greatly improved in those areas based on practice I saw. We'll know more after the preseason, IMO.
Also it should be interesting to see how he fares against vanilla D's. DA was lethal against the blitz last season but once teams backed off and he had to throw underneath he struggled. Considering D's are generally vanilla in the preseason, it should be interesting to see how he plays.
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I forget which raw practice vid it was, something recent, but he "flicked" a bomb to BE, beautiful, high arc, that I swore went 60 yards and dropped right into #17's hands. It was a thing of beauty with seemingly no effort.
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Great to see if he has improved it. And your explanation was perfect on my point.
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Unbelievable,, simply unbelievable. Over 3700 yards passing 29 TD's 19 INT's 10 wins And his long ball and short ball aren't any good and all the powers that have been in the league for years that manage and coach the Browns have chosen him to be the starter.. Yup,, it's unbelieveable what people will say to NIT PICK on DA... UNBELIEVABLE....
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You know Heldawg and Ammo have a point, and they explained it really well. And it's valid. Doesn't mean he's not starting caliber, but it is an observation with merit.
Bet you anything Scherer has worked on it with him.
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Charlie Frye was extremely accurate in the short passing game .... and could occasionally hit a big play.
That didn't make him a good QB though. I mean .. he completed 64% of his passes in 2006. Wow!
Umm ..... that's not the "end all, be all" of QBing.
In 2006, Frye averaged 6.24 yards/attempt. He threw 10 TDs, and was intercepted 16 times. He ran into sacks .... yet also managed to surrender to phantom pressure at other times.
Charlie Frye still had vehement defenders when I said that he was a horrible QB who would be on a bench, or out of the league in a year or 2.
Well ..... he's on the bench .... and has only splinters for company. People kept saying to me that he "just needed time to develop".
Some free agent from West Texas A&M is threatening to take his job from him.
Last year Anderson completed "only" 56% of his passes. He didn't run into sacks. He had a staggering 7.19 yards/attempt. He had 53 pass plays of 20+ yards ..... and 6 of 40+. Teams couldn't blitz off the bus, because they knew they'd get killed. They couldn't play 8 in the box. They couldn't do all of the truly simplistic but effective things they had done in years past to stifle our offense completely.
Successful NFL QBs create big plays. IMHO, It is the single biggest difference between a backup QB and a "10 year" starter.
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Unbelievable,, simply unbelievable.
Over 3700 yards passing
29 TD's
19 INT's
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And his long ball and short ball aren't any good and all the powers that have been in the league for years that manage and coach the Browns have chosen him to be the starter..
Yup,, it's unbelieveable what people will say to NIT PICK on DA...
UNBELIEVABLE....
Ya know...I've been nothing but gushing about DA for the past week or so and have been defending him to my Quinn-blind-loving friends, especially after what I saw Friday.
Yes, I know his stats. I also know he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn on the short game last year, and I know he only had a few long bomb throws. His best strength was the 10-20 yard throws. That's not only statistically but visually as well.
Of course I'm nitpicking! If Anderson's going to become an elite QB you damn well better be nitpicking his game. There's room for improvement despite throwing for all those yards. Especially for improvement after he dropped off near the end of the year last year.
There's factors for it, fatigue from first year starting, defenses figuring him out, Jurevicius and Winslow wearing down, etc. But the fact is he still looked like backup QB material down the stretch, not just in the Cinci game, not just in bad weather.
That said, I'm very encouraged based on what I saw. Why do so many people think I want to badmouth DA? I've been saying nothing but good things about him for the past week!
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Unbelievable,, simply unbelievable.
Over 3700 yards passing
29 TD's
19 INT's
10 wins
And his long ball and short ball aren't any good and all the powers that have been in the league for years that manage and coach the Browns have chosen him to be the starter..
Yup,, it's unbelieveable what people will say to NIT PICK on DA...
UNBELIEVABLE....
What's really unbelievable is, in the Braylon thread, when a person mentions that he drops too many passes that person gets thrown under the bus by people saying something like "yeah, he drops passes, but he makes a lot of good catches too".
Seems it's okay to overlook BE's deficiency, and even "poo poo" it, but when it comes to DA, people want to nit pick every thing about him. Horrible touch, indecisive, too hard of a thrower, no touch on short passes, no touch on long passes, he was the beneficiary of teams not having film of him, he's a third year player he should do better, on and on and on.
They seem to forget the stats he put up. Then, to make matters worse, those people go on about how great Quinn would be - WITHOUT ANY PROOF whatsoever - just a gut feeling.
Damn, I get sick of hearing all this negativity.
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(DA and touch pass improvement) seeing is believing.
I can't wait 'til I get to see the first preseason game.
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I wouldn't even bother. Your critism is valid. DA did have trouble with arc on some of his deep balls. You are not saying he sucked. Daman needs to stop using so many and start reading what you typed. Helddawg hasn't seen him yetthis year and is going on what he saw last year. I'm sure he will also see the difference when he gets to see him play. DA was not perfect the other night, but he did show vast improvements in regards to touch.
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Charlie Frye was extremely accurate in the short passing game .... and could occasionally hit a big play.
That didn't make him a good QB though. I mean .. he completed 64% of his passes in 2006. Wow!
Umm ..... that's not the "end all, be all" of QBing.
In 2006, Frye averaged 6.24 yards/attempt. He threw 10 TDs, and was intercepted 16 times. He ran into sacks .... yet also managed to surrender to phantom pressure at other times.
Charlie Frye still had vehement defenders when I said that he was a horrible QB who would be on a bench, or out of the league in a year or 2.
Well ..... he's on the bench .... and has only splinters for company. People kept saying to me that he "just needed time to develop".
Some free agent from West Texas A&M is threatening to take his job from him.
Last year Anderson completed "only" 56% of his passes. He didn't run into sacks. He had a staggering 7.19 yards/attempt. He had 53 pass plays of 20+ yards ..... and 6 of 40+. Teams couldn't blitz off the bus, because they knew they'd get killed. They couldn't play 8 in the box. They couldn't do all of the truly simplistic but effective things they had done in years past to stifle our offense completely.
Successful NFL QBs create big plays. IMHO, It is the single biggest difference between a backup QB and a "10 year" starter.
Just wanted to highlight this. Very well said.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Charlie Frye was extremely accurate in the short passing game .... and could occasionally hit a big play.
That didn't make him a good QB though. I mean .. he completed 64% of his passes in 2006. Wow!
Umm ..... that's not the "end all, be all" of QBing.
In 2006, Frye averaged 6.24 yards/attempt. He threw 10 TDs, and was intercepted 16 times. He ran into sacks .... yet also managed to surrender to phantom pressure at other times.
Charlie Frye still had vehement defenders when I said that he was a horrible QB who would be on a bench, or out of the league in a year or 2.
Well ..... he's on the bench .... and has only splinters for company. People kept saying to me that he "just needed time to develop".
Some free agent from West Texas A&M is threatening to take his job from him.
Last year Anderson completed "only" 56% of his passes. He didn't run into sacks. He had a staggering 7.19 yards/attempt. He had 53 pass plays of 20+ yards ..... and 6 of 40+. Teams couldn't blitz off the bus, because they knew they'd get killed. They couldn't play 8 in the box. They couldn't do all of the truly simplistic but effective things they had done in years past to stifle our offense completely.
Successful NFL QBs create big plays. IMHO, It is the single biggest difference between a backup QB and a "10 year" starter.
Just wanted to highlight this. Very well said.
I am sure Chud's new offense helped a bit too.... But the proof will be when we get to see what these guys can do when they hit the field.
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Unbelievable,, simply unbelievable.
Over 3700 yards passing
29 TD's
19 INT's
10 wins
And his long ball and short ball aren't any good and all the powers that have been in the league for years that manage and coach the Browns have chosen him to be the starter..
Yup,, it's unbelieveable what people will say to NIT PICK on DA...
UNBELIEVABLE....
What's really unbelievable is, in the Braylon thread, when a person mentions that he drops too many passes that person gets thrown under the bus by people saying something like "yeah, he drops passes, but he makes a lot of good catches too".
Seems it's okay to overlook BE's deficiency, and even "poo poo" it, but when it comes to DA, people want to nit pick every thing about him. Horrible touch, indecisive, too hard of a thrower, no touch on short passes, no touch on long passes, he was the beneficiary of teams not having film of him, he's a third year player he should do better, on and on and on.
They seem to forget the stats he put up. Then, to make matters worse, those people go on about how great Quinn would be - WITHOUT ANY PROOF whatsoever - just a gut feeling.
Damn, I get sick of hearing all this negativity.
I think it's dumb to overlook ANYONE's deficiencies.
Why? They ALWAYS need to improve on them. That's the path to greatness.
Edwards isn't great yet, I'm not ready to declare him great until he eliminates those drops.
I won't declare Anderson great until he's consistently accurate on the short game and throws a better deep ball.
I won't declare Quinn great until I see more out of him. I think he has the POTENTIAL to be great based on what I've seen so far, but I'm not convinced.
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I wouldn't even bother. Your critism is valid. DA did have trouble with arc on some of his deep balls. You are not saying he sucked. Daman needs to stop using so many and start reading what you typed. Helddawg hasn't seen him yetthis year and is going on what he saw last year. I'm sure he will also see the difference when he gets to see him play.
DA was not perfect the other night, but he did show vast improvements in regards to touch.
Two questions...
1) Did his deep balls have a nose of the ball on a downward projectory???
2) Did his shorter balls LEAD the receiver???
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The answer to both was not on a consistent basis, but better than last year. DA showed some improvement. It was the only thing I've gotten to see since we are gearing up for the season to begin so I can't get to camp. We'll see as time goes on.
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Not only did Chud's offense help, but add to that the revamped OL, the receivers running the correct route, an improved running game, and you can see that all the tools are in place for someone to do well. That isn't taking anything away from DA's performance last year, but it certainly does help explain the problems Frye had that many choose to ignore because the QB is an island unto itself in too many fans' minds.
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