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Something quite odd happened to me today. I left work this evening around 11:00pm. I work in a bar and grille for a fun little summer job. Mainly I work as a waiter, though sometimes I bartend. At any rate, I got off work, did my usual shot of Jameson, then proceeded to head home. Well, as I drove home I was listening to the radio, and I had a lapse of concentration and my spedometer crept above 45 heading through a notorious speed trap which I navigate through each night at the posted 35mph. Well, tonight some red and blue lights flashed behind me and I pulled over. This is the alarming part. The officer came up to the car, gave me the usual license and registration then said this: "Are you headed home from 'such-and-such' bar." Shocked, I replied yes, said I worked there and just got off. Then the officer proceeded to tell me that when he ran my plate I was on some list or something as someone who has been parked in the parking lot of this place between 4pm and 12am regularly. Now, the guy didn't ticket me (lucky me), he gave me a warning; but I was pretty upset that police can just go around profiling who is where at, and when. Its just messed up that cops go around compiling evidence on people who haven't even committed a crime.  So does anyone know; is this a regular thing? or is this as ridiculous as it seems? And let me add that this bar and grille is very much a family place. We get a lot of families coming in for dinner and such. And we are located in the center of a well-to-do community. Even the owners are all good people. This bar is not some shady punch palace, but more of a family owned restaurant and bar.
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I have friends that who are/were cops, and my father-in-law is a retired cop. I can ask them about this, but to me, this seems to be going beyond what they should be doing. They have you listed as being parked nightly at a bar and grille? They do realize that in order to operate one such establishment that they need employees to work there?  If that's what they're spending their time on, you're town sounds like it has a low crime rate. They have way too much time on their hands.
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I think that's messed up, and it would definitely tick me off.
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That's why I dislike cops. Everytime I get pulled over I just recite the scene from Liar Liar where Jim Carey breaks down the "Do you know why I pulled you over question".
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I think one of them reads this board, and they are trying to get you off the road before you kill somebody 
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You were speeding in an area that you knew was being watched......brilliant!
Of course they keep track of who is parked in the lots of bars. If they make note of the same vehicle being in the same lot during late hours it could very well be a DUI bust for them and also could serve to alert them that if they do pull one of the "regulars" over they have to be alert for a potential confrontation with a drunk. They are protecting the public and looking out for their own safety......it's never fun to pull over ANY car late at night.
They did not "compile evidence" against you. They more than likely would not have stopped you unless you were speeding.
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You were speeding in an area that you knew was being watched......brilliant!
Whether you call me stupid or imply it, its the same thing, and in both cases it is unnecessary. 
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They did not "compile evidence" against you.
OK, then what do you call it when you gather information on where someone is during certain hours of the day.
I found it pretty disconcerting.
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Whether you call me stupid or imply it, its the same thing, and in both cases it is unnecessary.
You made a very definite point that you were speeding through what you knew to be a heavily enforced area. Did you tell yourself that you were a dumb ass for doing so? That's what I call myself when I do something such as what you noted. I did not call you stupid nor did I just now call you a dumb ass. I said it was brilliant. Which it was.....based upon the wording of your original post to which I commented.
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OK, then what do you call it when you gather information on where someone is during certain hours of the day.
It's not evidence. It's the gathering of information that may be used in the prevention of a crime and to benefit public as well as officer safety. "Evidence" is a tool that is utilized to show proof that a crime has been committed by a certain individual or set of individuals. If they popped you for a DUI that night a field sobriety test, breathalyzer, and/or BAC test would be their evidence. Not some list showing you were parked there quite a few nights a week.......
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Just curious, what do you drive?
If it's a blue Ford Focus I find this a little creepy.
If it's a a 1973 Ford Bronco with 33" tires, a lift kit, and painted orange with yellow flames down the side (or some similarly distinct vehicle) I could easily understand that the regular patrol would recognize it.
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I disagree whole-heartedly with your justification of these policemens actions, and also, I find your post with the thinly-veiled insults uncalled for and offensive. I hope putting down others makes you happy for a few fleeting minutes.
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I disagree whole-heartedly with your justification of these policemens actions
That's fine. We each see it from different angles. I'm sure there will be others as well that continue to side with you, and some will even speak of "Big Brother" and how the common man is in trouble with the way our government is eroding our rights. That's fine too....
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I commented on your post. I apologize if you were offended because that was not my intent and I do not see (re-reading the comments) where I insulted you.
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I did not intentionally "put you down." It brought no joy to my life to comment as I did; I was simply interacting on a message board with my opinion based upon what you posted. *shrug*
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Third shift cops in our local suburbs will often stake out bars at closing time - it's called "poaching" - to nab potential DUI's, or OWI's, or whatever they call drunk driving nowadays. If they observe any sign of impairment or traffic illegality, you get pulled over and tested. Its profiling, pure and simple. I'm sure its also a big winner for the suburbs in terms of revenue.
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I listen to a police scanner regularly, and they always 'log cars' in parking lots. Usually it's places a car wouldn't be at the time -- like a golf course in the middle of the night -- but it makes sense to me that they do it. If the golf course is broken in to or someone drives all over ruining the greens, they have someone to question -- that person may have seen something or even had something to do with it.
I've even heard the cops log a car in a driveway they don't think belongs there...and that's a good thing. If I'm not home and there's a weird car sitting here, you bet they better log it.
Anyway, now that they know it's your place of business, your "ordeal" is over.
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Tyler what would you call it if somebody knows a speed trap is there, yet they speed right past it? Would you call that smart?
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If it helps keep drunks from driving and possibly killing innocent people,then I'm all for it.We had a very good friend killed by a drunk driver a few months ago.She was on her way home from the grocery store and he ran a red light, speeding.
I have no sympathy at all for drunk drivers.
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The police are regularly out of control and abusing powers. No shock here really. Honestly, I hate cops. Anyone that decides to becomes a police officer shows their true colors as a lousy person in my book. Maybe theres a good one or two out there, but the majority is bad.
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So does anyone know; is this a regular thing? or is this as ridiculous as it seems?
"Regular thing" may be a little to over the top.
But I do know in some places, cops do take down plate numbers at bar parking lots and have such lists. Once you leave, if an officer sees a vehicle on that list, they pull you over.
Let's face it, with three beers making you "legaly drunk", it's quite a cash cow for them. In one case, a bar owner and her patrons, (me included at the time), were told of a cop looking through a fence writing down plate numbers outside from the adjoining property. We all went out and busted him in the act.
So I know it DOES happen. How many places that happens I do not know. But it does appear they plan on targeting your bar patrons no doubt.
We took pictures of him doing it and made many copies. We handed them out to bar patrons in the area so they would have a heads up.
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Tyler, I have two comments for you... please don't take them as insults, they aren't meant that way.
1. You went past a known speed trap and as you admit, weren't exactly paying attention.. you got caught speeding.. Nobodys fault but your own. I don't think you are stupid,, but maybe you lost concentration...
2. As for your car, I called a cop friend in Aurora and according to him, it's common practice to survey bar parking lots. He also said they survey grocery stores, resturants, drug stores, coffee shops etc etc. Mostly what they are looking for is cars that are always there at a consistent time.
They recognize that the cars they are looking at could be employees of the establishments, thus they don't do anything about it.. just watch and be AWARE of thier surroundings.
Basically, if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you got nothing to worry about.
I know it's a bit of the "Big Brother" is watching thing. But honestly, if you think about the alternatives of them not being vigilant, they are worse than a little intrusion.. JMO
My friend told me something that if you haven't figured it out yet, perhaps we all should.
Cops take a risk pulling people over. They have no idea if the person in the car is a guy with a gun with nothing to lose. Or if it's a family man just driving home from work who was going a bit too fast.
So, they have to take precautions that you may find a little intimidating. I mean the way they advance to you car with thier hand on thier gun, That menacing look they have.. it's just concentration.
Believe it or not, all they want to do is thier job and go home to the wife and kids safely.
I get a little frustrated also when I'm pulled over. Seems to happen to me in spurts.. I'll go 5 or 10 years, and nothing.. and then all of a sudden, bam.. two stops in a matter of days.. Go figure.
But I'll never hate cops for doing thier job.
Again Tyler,, I hear you and I understand your concern, but take a moment and think about why they do these things.. it's not to infringe on someones privacy, it's to protect someone elses rights.
Here is also something my cop friend said.. if you really are concerned about it, and you have the HooHaas to question the police after the cop let you off with a warning,, then go to the police, ask to speak either to the Chief or a desk sargent.. tell him the story and ask him to explain the purposes behind the watch on your car.
Good luck
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The police are regularly out of control and abusing powers. No shock here really. Honestly, I hate cops. Anyone that decides to becomes a police officer shows their true colors as a lousy person in my book. Maybe theres a good one or two out there, but the majority is bad.
Thank You for calling me a lousy person.
This is being a proactive police officer. It would make sense that the police would follow people home from the bar, wouldn't it? That way they could catch DUI's before they kill someone else.
I don't understand how people have a problem with this anyway. It's not like they broke into your car and found all your personal information. Licence plates are in plain view and if you notice a car is parked at a bar for a while every night, sure, I would be alarmed.
Either way, this isn't why you were pulled over anyway, so why does it matter? It's not like they took your licence away for being parked at a bar. It was just an honest question if you had been drinking or not. The officer didn't think so and i'm willing to bet that they took your car off that list now that they know you're an employee.
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I'm not a cop, but I can tell you the make and color of the regular vehicles at the bar next door that are there every night. I don't have a list, but I can tell you that I recognize who's been at the bar every night when I leave work on my way home and yes, I do take extra precautions when I see that same vehicle on the road.
You don't need to be a officer to see this. I don't blame them one bit for that. It's a public place and you have no right to any reasonable expectation of privacy being in a public place. There are camera's all over the place now a days. It's been widely accepted that being in public you can be seen and photographed. Instead of getting upset that they noticed a vehicle that has been parked at a place consistently, why aren't you appreciative that they are taking the necessary steps to watchout for drunks who may be getting behind the wheel endangering you, you're family and others by driving, not to mention keeping your place of business from being sued for allowing a drunk to get behind the wheel?
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The police are regularly out of control and abusing powers. No shock here really. Honestly, I hate cops. Anyone that decides to becomes a police officer shows their true colors as a lousy person in my book. Maybe theres a good one or two out there, but the majority is bad.
lol, you must have had some bad experiences with cops. I was not a lousy person and wanted to be a cop b/c it was a job that was always changing. You never did the same thing every night. My mother was also a cop and she is a great woman.
I do agree there are a few that let the stress of their job get to them, or some that are tired of dealing with smartass kids all the time, but thats not the majority.
I bet Tyler was in a smaller town. It's not unusual for the police to run plates when they are out on patrol,,especially that time of night. If he wasn't speeding it would have never happened 
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The police are regularly out of control and abusing powers. No shock here really. Honestly, I hate cops. Anyone that decides to becomes a police officer shows their true colors as a lousy person in my book. Maybe theres a good one or two out there, but the majority is bad.
Sounds like something a convicted felon or someone who's been on the wrong side of the law far too often. Not to mention the most ignorant statement i've ever seen. Contradictory of what you said, Theres a whole lot of good Police Officers and just like any profession theres going to be a few bad or who do it for the wrong reasons. My father in law just retired and he is the most upstanding, honest, and loyal person i've met. Just because you don't like "cops" which is kinda slandering to call them that and most police officers think that way, doesn't mean they are all bad. Just like medics, firefighters, and soldiers. They are just doing jobs that most can't or won't do to make our way of life safer.
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I know a few cops that are decent people. So I can't say that all cops are lousy people. But I can say that I think most laws that they enforce are lousy. I think DUI laws are more about extorting money out of the public than keeping people safe. And I think that drug laws function in the same vein.
In my mind, killing, stealing, robbery, rape, assault---these are the laws that should be enforced. And pretty much the only laws that we really need.
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I know a few cops that are decent people. So I can't say that all cops are lousy people. But I can say that I think most laws that they enforce are lousy. I think DUI laws are more about extorting money out of the public than keeping people safe. And I think that drug laws function in the same vein.
In my mind, killing, stealing, robbery, rape, assault---these are the laws that should be enforced. And pretty much the only laws that we really need.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
That's all i'm going to say about this.
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I have been harassed by cops for stupid things in the past... And very rude cops at that. And the maybe one or two times that we actually needed them in the past, they didn't even do anything. I remember witnessing assault & battery / domestic violence in a club in Akron a couple years back. A girl that was in our group was just sitting at a table... Her ex boyfriend came in, saw her, basically came over and punched her in the face then ran off. Tons of people saw it and we called the police. Waited over 2 hours and they never even bothered to show up. Then getting ticketed for speeding, etc... Its just a joke. People can think what they want, they are just lucky they haven't had really bad experiences. You can call me ignorant if you want. I think you're just as ignorant.
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I know a few cops that are decent people. So I can't say that all cops are lousy people. But I can say that I think most laws that they enforce are lousy. I think DUI laws are more about extorting money out of the public than keeping people safe. And I think that drug laws function in the same vein.
In my mind, killing, stealing, robbery, rape, assault---these are the laws that should be enforced. And pretty much the only laws that we really need.
I would have to agree. Especially with the low BAC level it takes to be "legally intoxicated." Fact of the matter is, if there is no accident, drunk driving is a truly victimless crime and is indeed extorting the public. The legal system punishes all people that drink and drive just for the ones that get out of control and cause accidents.
Far too often its 2 or 3 AM on a Friday or Saturday and I always see the cops out waiting to cherry pick people.
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I think you are making poor generalizations.
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I think DUI laws are more about extorting money out of the public than keeping people safe.
Tell that to someone who lost a loved one because someone couldn't stop sucking on a beer bottle and tried to drive home.
I don't think the DUI laws are stiff enough.The guy that killed my friend had 2 prior DUI's,lost his license, and was seen a few months later driving again after he hit my friends car.In my opinion he should have been in a jail cell.
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I would have to agree. Especially with the low BAC level it takes to be "legally intoxicated." Fact of the matter is, if there is no accident, drunk driving is a truly victimless crime and is indeed extorting the public. The legal system punishes all people that drink and drive just for the ones that get out of control and cause accidents.
Far too often its 2 or 3 AM on a Friday or Saturday and I always see the cops out waiting to cherry pick people.
The only thing I'll agree with is that the BAC level should be higher. But that's it...otherwise drunk driving is deplorable.
Victimless crime my ass.
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I would have to agree. Especially with the low BAC level it takes to be "legally intoxicated." Fact of the matter is, if there is no accident, drunk driving is a truly victimless crime and is indeed extorting the public. The legal system punishes all people that drink and drive just for the ones that get out of control and cause accidents.
Far too often its 2 or 3 AM on a Friday or Saturday and I always see the cops out waiting to cherry pick people.
The only thing I'll agree with is that the BAC level should be higher. But that's it...otherwise drunk driving is deplorable.
Victimless crime my ass.
OK so someone blows a .09.... They are really completely capable of driving. They don't get an accident. They get cherry picked by a cop late at night. Who is the victim here?
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You are also extremely biased here.
And you aren't?
You're the one that decided to push people around for a living and be in a profession where people thrive on power trips, not me.
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Drunk driving laws are absolutely necessary, and I feel they need to be even more strict...sort of.
The BAC should be higher, and possibly be weighted on a persons size and sex. However, one DUI should be an automatic ban on a license. Too many times you hear about these drunk driving accidents where the culprit has had multiple DUI's.
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You're the one that decided to push people around for a living and be in a profession where people thrive on power trips, not me.
LMAO dude. Again, generalization. You have no idea what i'm like or how I am.
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I would have to agree. Especially with the low BAC level it takes to be "legally intoxicated." Fact of the matter is, if there is no accident, drunk driving is a truly victimless crime and is indeed extorting the public. The legal system punishes all people that drink and drive just for the ones that get out of control and cause accidents.
Far too often its 2 or 3 AM on a Friday or Saturday and I always see the cops out waiting to cherry pick people.
The only thing I'll agree with is that the BAC level should be higher. But that's it...otherwise drunk driving is deplorable.
Victimless crime my ass.
OK so someone blows a .09.... They are really completely capable of driving. They don't get an accident. They get cherry picked by a cop late at night. Who is the victim here?
Again, I said the BAC level should be higher than it is.
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