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BROWNS Cleveland Browns backup quarterback Brady Quinn disputes that he's becoming a dink-dunk thrower Sunday, August 10, 2008 Tony GrossiPlain Dealer Reporter Brady Quinn threw 17 passes in the preseason opener Thursday night against the New York Jets. The play-by-play account of the official NFL game summary described 16 of them as "short." Another pass erased by a penalty was short. The only Quinn pass of any notable length was caught by Travis Wilson crossing to the left sideline for a gain of 23 yards. During the telecast of the game, WKYC Channel 3 analyst and former Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar urged Quinn to thrown downfield more. Everybody is disputing that the backup quarterback from Notre Dame has emerged as a dink-and-dunker in his second Browns training camp. "I think sometimes if you have a bad play you may be a little bit more reserved about taking chances," coach Romeo Crennel said. "He had a bad play in the game that got intercepted because [Quinn and receiver Syndric Steptoe] weren't quite on the same page, and I think that probably he wanted to be a bit more conservative as he went down. "But basically I tell him to take what the defense gives you. And if the defense gives you short passes, you take short passes. You don't try to force it down the field when they're defending deep." But Quinn's first preseason performance of his second season mirrored what has transpired on the practice field. Quinn's pass selection Saturday seemed fairly typical of camp. In a 6-on-8 drill, Quinn passed short for tight end Darnell Dinkins, short for running back Jerome Harrison twice, and short to Wilson. His only pass of intermediate range for receiver Efrem Hill was broken up. In the same drill, starter Derek Anderson threw four times to wideouts Braylon Edwards and Donte Stallworth. Later, in a team drill, Quinn checked down to Harrison once and connected short with receiver Josh Cribbs on a quick slant. Quinn did throw once to Stallworth. Afterward, Quinn disputed he has been checking down frequently to secondary receivers. "No, I don't think so," he said. "If you look at the overall coverage of the previous game, I think they didn't give us anything downfield a whole lot. Especially in the situation I was in. Their coverages aren't going to allow you to make that play." Quinn said at practice he is "working within the framework of the calls. . . . You're not going to force something down the field and have interceptions." Ken Dorsey, the No. 3 quarterback who works closely with Quinn and Anderson, said Quinn "can push the ball downfield. He does it. [It's just that] Derek's known for it. "When Brady was in the game [on Thursday], it was a completely different defense that was in. They're giving him one thing, whereas Derek's getting another thing. A lot of it is just going through their reads and trusting their reads." In a recent interview, General Manager Phil Savage admitted the offense is more vertical with the gunslinger Anderson pulling the trigger, and that coordinator Rob Chudzinski would alter things with Quinn in the game. But Quinn wouldn't concede that. "I hope not," he said. "Especially when [the No. 1s] are in, I use the field. I have a pretty strong arm, too. I think people sometimes overlook that, for some reason or another." The bottom line is Quinn completed 13 of 17 passes for 133 yards. The Browns scored 10 points in Quinn's four possessions. "The impressive thing that I thought was after a bad play, he came back and drove his team downfield for a score," Crennel said. "That's what you want from a quarterback, to put a bad play behind him and move forward. So I thought he handled that pretty well." To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: tgrossi@plaind.com, 216-999-4670
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I found this article interesting. It has seemed that Brady throws a lot of short throws when he plays.
But...........he has been successful at moving the ball down the field everytime he has seen action. It works. I also think that if he had Braylon Edwards or Stallworth lining up for him in the game, he'd be more inclined to go deep.
I just hope he doesn't turn into a Charlie Frye, David Carr, too scared to throw the ball down field QB. That's just straight boring and inefficient.
I also think it's interesting how Quinn says people don't recognize his arm strength. This is true, he definitely has a strong arm. Anderson has a cannon, that's all.
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Why would a defense set a scheme to give you deep passes??
Outlet passes are always available. You have to take big chunks of yards.
Right now Brady feels some pressure as he wants the job and wants to look good. He reads the papers too...and probably feels a high completion percentage and accurate passing is the best way for him to excite the masses.
It's pretty revealing to hear Savage talking about having to alter the scheme to accommodate Brady if he were to take over in a game.
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It's pretty revealing to hear Savage talking about having to alter the scheme to accommodate Brady if he were to take over in a game.
But this makes sense with any QB. Not everybody is the same and different plays support different players more. Chud would call plays a little differently with Brady than with DA.
It isn't like our entire offense would suddenly undergoe this giant change.
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Hey i got a question..Everyone is talking like dinking & dunking is a bad thing...I mean look at the WCO or Joe Montana (Obviously I am just pointing out short passes aren't bad as long as you the move chains) Like last year a lot of teams would cover deep on Moss and make Tom Brady throw short...and what happened.....Wes Welker had 10000x short catches and they still scored a ton. Obviously there was some deep balls but if you watch Manning or Brady they checkdown a lot too...I wish people would stop acting like its a bad thing...As long as you get first downs who cares right? 
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I'm tellin' u guys...It won't be that way if and when he's in GAMES with the ONES... He's accurate in the short game...That's GREAT... Did ya' see the tosses to Wilson???...One slant and 2 beautiful balls for 20-25 yards... Did ya' see the YAC on the short ones??? It'a ALL GOOD...Something for Grossi to print...Woopdedoodaday... 
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It has been brought up a several of members on the board and now by a couple of media sources that the " Staff " are holding back any thing that would look like Competition. . I just hope that BQ. gets some playing with the # 1's in the remaining Pre season games.. I for one want to see how the play calling would work out as well as , how the young man would react with WR's like Edwards , Win2 and Company.. Looks like we are is great shape no matter who is under center ... The supporting cast should be a QB's dream ..  
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I can see how accuracy and great D reads might confuse some..................... 
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From what I saw, he didn't have alot of time to throw. He isn't playing behind our #1 line. And he is not playing with our #1 receivers or TE's.
When he dinks and dunks with the #1 team in, then I will be concerned.
Going deep is exciting, but if that's the only skill a QB has, it can be taken away easily, a QB needs to be able to make the short ones as well.
I got to see the replay of the game on NFL Network, and I will say that DA's short passes seemed to be lacking touch still. And that TD to Braylon, was behind him, you can tell by the way Braylon turned his head, then he twisted his body and reached out with his one arm and snagged that ball. It's obvious that BE was not expecting it to be where it was.
SO I'm not sold on DA having worked or fixed his short game yet. I hope that it was game time excitment, and he hadn't settled down yet.
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It has been brought up a several of members on the board and now by a couple of media sources that the " Staff " are holding back any thing that would look like Competition.
. I just hope that BQ. gets some playing with the # 1's in the remaining Pre season games.. I for one want to see how the play calling would work out as well as , how the young man would react with WR's like Edwards , Win2 and Company..
Looks like we are is great shape no matter who is under center ... The supporting cast should be a QB's dream ..
Yeah...Anyone ever think that maybe the receiver's we have out there with Quinn AREN'T OPEN DEEPER?????????
Who went to the game???
Did ANYONE break open and Quinn dinked & dunked leaving a WIDE OPEN receiver deeper???
This is plain STUPID...
Like Quinn's gonna toss it to Rucker underneath when he's got ALL DAY to throw and Edwards and Stallworth both 20+ downfield...OPEN...GMAFB PEOPLE..........
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i don't think it's a huge deal, although i do wonder why quinn is set up for a lot of short stuff in the time he is given... the other night, the sf game last year, some of the preseason, etc...
shoot, even ken dorsey got to throw a deep ball on thursday.
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I think it was just more of a matter of i want to get rid of the ball before i get killed behind this line. The passing attack used by Quinn would have opened up the deep game quickly if it had been regualar season but the Jets just played a vanilla zone wanting to keep everything in front of them.
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Mourg, so do you think the short passes were A) Quinn's own decision making after reading the defense pre-snap? or B) The play calling after reading the defense (i.e., first option is short pass based on play call)? or C) A checkdown (i.e., post snap read)?
Another question, if it's true that the defense was designed to take away the deep ball when Quinn was in there, why not when DA was in there? Did it have anything to do with the JETS first team D vs. the JETS second team D?
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short passes were Quinn taking what was available. Part of it was just getting rid of the ball because of lack of confidence in the OL but the Jets played a lot of 2 and 3 deep zone coverage for whatever reason. Remeber the 20 yard seam pass to Wilson when Travis caught the ball there were still 2 defenders 8 yards in front of him and 2 more about even with him. They were really giving away the underneath stuff.
I think it was just a case of the Jets wanting to work on something they have struggled with in camp. Also the Jets really didnt give DA much of anything down the field either. The pass interferance call was a gimmie but that was great coverage. They were using Romeos bend dont break philosophy lol.
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Wasn't that the Jets HC first game as a HC??
He probably placed more emphasis on "winning" the game over working on various schemes.
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Wasn't that the Jets HC first game as a HC??
He probably placed more emphasis on "winning" the game over working on various schemes.
It's his third year, and he's in a similar position to where Romeo was a year ago cuz they finished 4-12 last year, despite finishing 10-6 and making the playoffs the year before that.
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some folks around here are so defensive about their QB...
how one could watch the 1st team offense and 2nd team offenses on thursday and not notice a different feel is beyond me...what part of it was the QB, the OL, the WRs, the playcalling, the Jets D?...who knows at this point?...but just because it may not be the QB doesn't mean it wasn't happening...we'll find out if it was just an anomaly or a trend as the weeks go on, but thursday (and practice) are all we have to go on, and the differences have been noted from many perspectives (FO/staff, media, fans)...
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I agree - he doesn't have any down the field WRs out there... I do think DA is more of a down the field thrower and takes more chances than Quinn does... .of course that might have something to do with him having more experience and not being as tentative with throwing down the field...
Quinn was affective... and I have no doubt that he'd be affective if called to play in a regular season game, and I would suspect a few more down the field throws with BE, Stallworth, and KW2 in there with him.
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I think it has more to do with Quinn being more "refined" in his decision-making due to his college pedigree.
Before the DA coddlers jump on me for that, hear me out. Anderson was conditioned in college to throw deep. IIRC the scheme he played in was nowhere near an NFL offense. He wasn't instructed to "take what the defense gives him." He was instructed to thread the needle and hit those big time gains.
Many of those aspects of his game have carried with him to the NFL, and part of growing DA is undoing some of those kamikaze decision tendencies, because the kamikaze strategy may work well in college where the DB's are slower, but in the NFL it equals boneheaded decisions and turnovers.
That being said...his kamikaze style has been very effective in our offense, as he has been able to thread the needle in between defenders due to his arm. It was valuable to us on 3rd and long and against man coverage.
Likewise, his decision making improved over the course of last season, but his accuracy on the short throws did not. Plus, defenses laid back and made DA beat us underneath. DA largely did not beat the D underneath...but Jamal Lewis did (hence his monster 2nd half).
What does it mean? Quinn is more inclined to take what the D gives him (which he should given his skill set...he has a good arm but it's not a cannon like Anderson's)...I don't think the O would be any less explosive with Quinn at the helm, but it would be more of a ball control passing O...it'd still have the capability to put points on the board at a rapid pace though just given the personnel we have.
But what happens if we lose our receivers who have the ability to get open deep? That's my biggest question about DA.
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Change the name Brady Quinn to Charlie Frye and your post for the same game would say the exact opposite. You say he threw a foot behind the WR, he has a noodle arm. he is afraid to go downfield because his arm is so weak. But since its not Frye you feel its OK to gush over the same type of game by BQ. Thats why you have absolutly no credibilty with me. Maybe later when you get some"" Life Exsperience " you won't be so Star Struck.
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Change the name Brady Quinn to Charlie Frye and your post for the same game would say the exact opposite. You say he threw a foot behind the WR, he has a noodle arm. he is afraid to go downfield because his arm is so weak. But since its not Frye you feel its OK to gush over the same type of game by BQ. Thats why you have absolutly no credibilty with me. Maybe later when you get some"" Life Exsperience " you won't be so Star Struck.
A little confused here " Duty "  .. Are you trying to say BQ. is in the same mold as Frye ??
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A little confused here " Duty " .. Are you trying to say BQ. is in the same mold as Frye ??
No, he was just looking for an opportunity to slam Ammo.
Some people on here could list 'slamming Ammo' on their resume under 'Hobbies'.
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*LOL* .. U people never cease to amaze me .. remarkable ... simply remarkable ... U folks really have no idea how little U actually know .. its PRE SEASON and your all ready dissecting both our QB's .. thats MORONIC at best .. and why I hardly pot or read here anymore ...
just because its all WE have doesn't make it RELEVANT ...
DA's Throw and now this .. are u frickin kidding me ...
DA's throw is BEING WAY OVERANALYZED ... simply amazing ... it was o wheres near as bad a throw as some want to make it out to be and it was not a good throw as some would suggest . it had ELEMENTS OF BOTH ...
The good .. he put it where only BE could catch it .. he wasn't going to turn the ball over on the red zone .. THATS GOOD ...
it was also in a place where he could catch it .. granted it was a GREAT CATCH but he did catch it .. no?? *LOL* ...
the bad .. that throw is suppose to go to his outside shoulder ... not an arms length away from his hip .. *LOL* .. now granted .. the arms length away is a tough one cause DA really had no clue where BE would cut it off .. but on a 10 yard pass in the air it should have been alot closer to his shoulders than his hip ...
TRYING TO ANALYZE THIS IS JUST NOT INTELLIGENT ..
and now BQ is a dink and dunker .. *in my best horror shaking with fear voice" .. oh no .. why did he make those throws?? was it was the D was giving him .. were there guys open downfield .. oh no .. i HAVE TO KNOW .. *LOL* ...
One dolt even thought it was mangini;s first game and he placed more emphasis on winning .. *LOL* .. SIMPLY AMAZING ..
my favorite is the O will have to be adjusted if BQ played .. *L* .. minor tweeks to take advantage of his strenthgs compared to DA's .. ABSOLUTELY .. all OFFENSES WORK THAT WAY .. U guys make it sound like we would have no one running anything further than 5 yards downfield .. *L* ..
in 3 weeks the real bullets start flying .. talk to me after week 4 for INITIAL CONCLUSIONS ... then after week 8 for a GOOD ASSESMNET .. until then try and get a grip and enjoy what happens .. I know thats impossible cause of the IMPATIENCE coupled with the football intelligence of most .. but go ahead and try ..
enjoy the ride boys and girls .. its going to play out .. and PRE-SEASON games are a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE GAUGE for how someone is doing or how they will play in the regular season .. or did u all forget last pre-season .. *LOL* ..
and I know what U dolts will say .. DA lit it up after he knew the team was his and they "gelled" .. well his best game of the entire year was in week 2 .. guess the "gelled" real quick .. *LOL* ..
its Pre - Season folks .. take a chill pill and just enjoy the football .. forget trying to GAUGE anything from it ... JUST BE HAPPY WE STOOD HEALTHY ..
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i don't know how anyone can compare quinn to frye...
not that i think quinn is the second coming, but how do any of us really know? he's played a few preseason games, and one series in a real game...
i really don't think you can fully judge a quarterback until he starts a game...
when the other team knows, and is prepared for you, when you take the burden on your shoulders and lead your team
that's why i find it funny when fans all across the nfl go nuts when the backup qb comes in during the middle of the game, does well, and the next day there is the automatic qb controversy.
but to say "oh if you stuck the name frye on his back, instead of quinn, you'd change your tune" is a bit unfair.
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I don't think the O would be any less explosive with Quinn at the helm, but it would be more of a ball control passing O...it'd still have the capability to put points on the board at a rapid pace though just given the personnel we have.
But what happens if we lose our receivers who have the ability to get open deep? That's my biggest question about DA.
Two points I wanna make, as you said DA's underneath work could be much more effective. I do think that people overly criticize it and make him out to be worse than he is. But he defnitely could improve that.
But as effective as Quinn is as a passer, do we lose a little bit in our run game as teams dont have to necessarily shut down DA's 15-30 yard bullets which he is as good as any at the league at.
As you said DA's short game was sloppy but Jamal exceled. It's an advantage to have out him out there for that. I don't know if Jamal would be so productive with Quinn out there.
But yeah, if two of our three recievers (Braylon, Winslow, and Donte) go down, DA could be a disaster because Wilson hasn't shown that he is a good deep threat. At that point you'd almost want Quinn in for sure because he is much better at that game (at least that's what it seems like).
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thats because Ammo thinks he knows alot more than he actually does .. hes a 20 yr. old know it all .. I like him cause he actually thinks and puts thought into what he says .. he just don't understand how much he really has to learn about the game .. and u do that but LISTENING and ASKING QUESTIONS .. hes just to young to not know what he doesn't know .. 
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I don't think the O would be any less explosive with Quinn at the helm, but it would be more of a ball control passing O...it'd still have the capability to put points on the board at a rapid pace though just given the personnel we have.
But what happens if we lose our receivers who have the ability to get open deep? That's my biggest question about DA.
Two points I wanna make, as you said DA's underneath work could be much more effective. I do think that people overly criticize it and make him out to be worse than he is. But he defnitely could improve that.
But as effective as Quinn is as a passer, do we lose a little bit in our run game as teams dont have to necessarily shut down DA's 15-30 yard bullets which he is as good as any at the league at.
As you said DA's short game was sloppy but Jamal exceled. It's an advantage to have out him out there for that. I don't know if Jamal would be so productive with Quinn out there.
But yeah, if two of our three recievers (Braylon, Winslow, and Donte) go down, DA could be a disaster because Wilson hasn't shown that he is a good deep threat. At that point you'd almost want Quinn in for sure because he is much better at that game (at least that's what it seems like).
I disagree on Quinn having a negative effect on the running game. He has a GOOD arm and an ability to read the defense...he can burn 8 in the box and man coverage. I think Quinn would burn a D if they completely disrespected him like that.
He just doesn't initially gunsling as much as Anderson does, but defenses sure as hell better respect his ability to throw deep. Remember the perfect pass to Jurevicius that should have been a TD vs. Denver last year?
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my favorite is the O will have to be adjusted if BQ played .. *L* .. minor tweeks to take advantage of his strenthgs compared to DA's .. ABSOLUTELY .. all OFFENSES WORK THAT WAY .. U guys make it sound like we would have no one running anything further than 5 yards downfield .. *L* ..
Are you commenting about the first posts between me and Peen? We already came to the conclusion that different plays would probably be called for different QBs. That's the O-Coordinator job, make the offense work toward its strengths..............We know that. So why are we dolts? Or are you just refering to Peen? Same thing as the Mangini comment. In that case, why act like everyone's stupid when it's one poster who you've always had a problem with in the first place. It's better to not mention it. And I'm not saying you're stupid Peen, I'm just saying to Diam not to bring the issues that seem to always have been between you two to the thread.
You're laughing and calling people fools Diam, but I feel like you aren't even reading the posts on this thread. First off, nobody was commenting on the throw to Edwards, it was one damn throw in the first preseason game. Why does it have to be continued to be brought up, don't bring it to this thread. I'm so sick of it. That wasn't even part of the article.
And we bring up his "dinking and dunking" because he seems to be a good QB and we have no way to gauge his play besides the preseason and one drive against San Fran. How else are we supposed to analyze the guy unless DA goes down.
And if you're saying stop analyzing preseason, what else is there to talk about Diam................
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Change the name Brady Quinn to Charlie Frye and your post for the same game would say the exact opposite. You say he threw a foot behind the WR, he has a noodle arm. he is afraid to go downfield because his arm is so weak. But since its not Frye you feel its OK to gush over the same type of game by BQ. Thats why you have absolutly no credibilty with me. Maybe later when you get some"" Life Exsperience " you won't be so Star Struck.
Oh Dawg Duty...once again making a fool of yourself.
Frye threw short for these reasons...
1) He spent so much time running around like a chicken with his head cut off that he had no other choice but to dump it off or take the sack.
2) He didn't have the arm to make the 20 yard intermediate throws. Quinn does. He doesn't have Anderson's arm but it's sure as hell not a weak arm.
3) Quinn's dump offs were quicker and more accurate, allowing the receiver more YAC. Frye's dumpoffs except for designed throws were generally while he was running for his life because of his own failure to read the defense in time.
I'm sure I'm gonna get a venomous response from some people for ripping Frye, but saying I compare his game to Quinn's game is ludicrous. Frye was Vick Lite...run around and make a play, if the primary receiver isn't open (Edwards), look for the safety valve (Winslow), except he didn't have anywhere near the speed or agility that Vick had, nor did he have the arm. Vick got away with it with his athleticism...Frye on the other hand made our OL look worse than it was (that's not saying much...it was bad for sure).
But they sure as hell do NOT play the same style of game. I LOLed at that one.
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I think it's ridiculous to compare Quinn the Frye, but you're statements about Frye are completely and utterly nonsense. I won't turn this into a Frye thread, but you constantly dismiss so many things when you bash on him, that it's sad. All over not getting an autograph. 
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Change the name Brady Quinn to Charlie Frye and your post for the same game would say the exact opposite. You say he threw a foot behind the WR, he has a noodle arm. he is afraid to go downfield because his arm is so weak. But since its not Frye you feel its OK to gush over the same type of game by BQ. Thats why you have absolutly no credibilty with me. Maybe later when you get some"" Life Exsperience " you won't be so Star Struck.
I don't think Charlie could read the defense or make a decision. If he could, he ran around in circles in the backfield just to get dizzy I guess.
Brady Quinn is not Charlie Frye. I can't believe you even implied that.
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Thanks Daim for setting the record staight. You just said everything I was thinking. My carpel tunnel thanks you.  I actually thought Quinn looked good. I've not seen much of him ever, but from the little of last year and this game, I'd say the guy has some definite talent. These guys cmparing long throws of DA and what Quinn did is assinine. IMO he looked very polished in his decision making and handled pressure very well. He was dealing with a defender closing many times, and looked very poised. I would give him a high grade for his performance. For those bringing Frye into this debate, I ask why? 
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Careful who you respond to. Ammo did not imply that.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I actually thought that Quinn looked fine. So did Anderson. It was a pre-season game ..... so that's worth whatever it's worth. I do have the feeling that Quinn will be a good QB. I think that he'll be effective to very effective in the right offense ..... but never the "great" that some expect. That's OK. Those kind are few and far between. I really think that it's a shame that some have built the kid up as much as they have ..... because he's almost doomed to failure based upon some people's expectations. People have said that he would have done "much better" than Anderson last year ... after Anderson had a really spectacular year, damn near breaking the all time Browns TD pass record. That kind of stuf really isn't realistic. especially for a kid with 8 career passes on his professional resume. What happens if Quinn winds up starting a good part of the year and has a "so-so" type year? I fear that it will be like blood in the water. I don't think that Quinn can be compared to Frye. Other than the fact that both guys are from Ohio, there really is little basis for comparison. I was one of the original Frye critics ..... and felt like he was holding back the entire offense. I don't expect that Quinn would do that if he had to start ...... but I simply don't know if he would elevate the play of those around him either. I don't look at Quinn as the type of guy to build around ..... but rather a closer ideal to what Savage originally planned for Frye .. which is a guy who could be effective in an offense with the right players round him. Of course, the right players help any QB look better ..... so that's rather self evident. Anyway .... I'm gonna weigh out of the QB stuff for now. I think that all that can be said has been said ...... and there is really nothing new coming from anyone. I reserve the right to reply to a new topic if one should materialize ...... but that's prety unlikely unless something disasterous occurs. (which none of us would hope for)
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We know that. So why are we dolts?
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And if you're saying stop analyzing preseason, what else is there to talk about Diam................
Exactly.. I haven't really seen anybody say, "Ok one preseason game in the books, I've made up my mind about everything."... I've just seen a bunch of fans talking about the pros and cons of what they saw...
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All over not getting an autograph.
I'm going to say this one more time and I'm going to drop it because I'm tired of beating this dead horse with you and bringing out the worst in me...it was NEVER about being stiffed for an autograph. If he made the Pro Bowl and led the Browns to the playoffs he could have blown his own snot at me and I wouldn't have been mad. I didn't like him because he flat out stunk. I hated the way he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off, I hated how he played "Vick Ball" (as in if his primary option wasn't open he instantly looked to the tight end...and it became apparent to me that was the case when Jurevicius' touches increased when DA started playing). I hated his lack of arm strength but thought it wasn't a big deal if he was accurate and made good decisions...I hated his decision making. I hated how he made the already bad OL's pass blocking look worse than it was. I hated how he always seemed to sulk as well, did not seem like a good leader to me.
Yes Carthon was awful, yes our line stunk, yes Droughns was average at best, yes Edwards and Winslow ran wrong routes.
But, he was dreadful...period. It became apparent that he made our O look worse than it was when Anderson was taking fewer sacks and getting the ball out quicker (and he wasn't anywhere near as refined as he is now).
Then we can go back to the first Pittsburgh game this year, you can blame the OL all you want but it was very clear to me that he had more time than he ever had in his career to throw and he was still taking sacks.
But whatever, I'm done. I'm just sick of hearing that it was all about an autograph when in reality I really couldn't care less about an autograph that's probably worth 15 cents and a half stick of gum anyway.
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j/c Does it really matter if Quinn is a dink and dunk qb and DA is a long ball qb? Can they move the chains? That's what matters. Can they get us into the endzone, that's what matters. I think it's a good thing that both are playing to their strengths - if that is what in fact is happening. Isn't that what we want? So, if DA relies on the long pass, with rocket delivery and so so accuracy - do we score? Apparently. With that type of approach comes quck td's, and some interceptions. So what if Quinn is more of a short, touch passer? Is he consistent enough to get points on the board? So far. With that type of approach comes more opportunities for penalties from the line - or whatever. They both are doing their thing. That's a good thing, in my opinion. The starting qb will be decided by the coaches. That's a good thing. I like, for this season at least, knowing or maybe just feeling, that if one goes down, the other is there. Look at what might / probably will happen next year. One of them will be gone, and then if something happens to the starter, we're looking at Dorsey as a backup.  (at this point).
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You just listed many key reasons why Frye was "dreadful" and then dismiss them and blame him solely. You want to go into this deeper, feel free to PM me, but your dismissal of all the problems that surrounded Frye shows that you really don't understand how to develop a QB and his chances for success. You point ot the Steeler's game as proof. Right....so Frye was supposed to magically trust that the receivers that ran the wrong routes FORTY PERCENT OF THE TIME the year before would suddenly be in the right spot the first game of the year. Yeah, ok. You hated the way he went to the TE as a check down and are blaming him because that was what the system told him to do. Yeah, ok, I can see how that's his fault he followed his progressions the way the OC instructed him to. Sulked? You really are clueless. Not a leader? Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Ran around like a chicken with his head cut off? Wow, maybe when he went into his drop and the receiver wasn't where he was supposed to be and the rush was getting to him, he didn't have much of a choice? No arm strength? Yeah, that bomb to Edwards the first game of 2006 sure looked like a lame duck You would have hated for Joe Montana to have been in a Browns unifrom. He never threw the ball deeper than 35-40 yards. He really sucked. Once again, you place blame on things that are false, inaccurate, or in your ignorance of the game (not an insult, using the word in the truest meaning), can't fathom other factors.
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Change the name Brady Quinn to Charlie Frye and your post for the same game would say the exact opposite. You say he threw a foot behind the WR, he has a noodle arm. he is afraid to go downfield because his arm is so weak. But since its not Frye you feel its OK to gush over the same type of game by BQ. Thats why you have absolutly no credibilty with me. Maybe later when you get some"" Life Exsperience " you won't be so Star Struck.
That was me not Ammo. And I wasn't comparing BQ to CF. Iwas stating BQ had a similar game to what CF used to have . Ammo would pick apart Charlie for Dinking & Dunking, and throws that were not perfect. BQ has a game somewhat similar and Ammo sticks to his chair he is so excited.
I will admit that I need to see a lot more of BQ before I bow with Ammo to worship him..... The guy that said some of us never miss a chance to slam Ammo pretty much covered it.
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