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It's true that the most damning evidence against Harrison's skills is coming from the coaching staff. But I submit if it were not for Cribbs ( who can replace Cribbs?) Harrison may have a special teams role as a returner,dress on game day and get more reps in the backfield. Maybe I'm looking at Harrison through Orange colored glasses. Certainly the coaches have a better handle on this than me. Time will tell. I'm just optimistic about what little I have seen from the guy.
Maybe, and I admit I could be wrong about him. I think the next two games are big for him. Don't get me wrong, I never want a Brown to fail, so I'm hoping for the best.
I disagree on the special teams part. Last year the team really tried to get a PR to alleviate some of Cribbs' responsibilities, and correct me if I'm wrong but Harrison didn't cut it there? I swore both him and Barclay (loved Barclay BTW) were tested out at PR's.
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I think you are right about Harrison with the punt returning,but remember he lost the job to Cribbs. Correct me if I'm wrong but only Hester is better at punt returns. No shame on Harrison there......
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Hester is probably the best punt returner, Cribbs the best kick returner. In terms of dual threat returners, Cribbs wins hands down, IMO.
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I agree with you erze. RAC get things stuck in his head and just won't let it go. Take Willie G for example. His time has come, he's too damn slow, yet RAC keeps putting him on the field. He killer us in some games last year. Big Ben made him look foolish on a few of his scambles to secure a first down. I think Harrison is woefully under utilized. He looks like the fastest guy on the field when he is out there. Good hands, quickness, and vision. After his single touch with the first team against the Jets I told myself it looks like they are going to let him go this year. I have said it before that I don't think we will ever see his potential realized in C-Town.  If we cut Harrison look for him to land in Miami as Bill Parcels couldn't believe this guy was a third strin RB.
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Willie may not be as quick as he once was, but he still is a good run stopper, something we ALL know this team needs. He also is a mentor to up an comers, with years of experience to back it.
I seriously doubt we drop Harrison, as that leaves us 2 backs. At this point in time, Scott and Thomas don't look like 3rd back material.
Besides, there's more to playing running back besides toting the rock. I'm sure you already know this, but his biggest knock is problems picking up the blitz. So focus on that the next 3 games and see if he's gotten any better. He'll be out there a lot, especially after the first cuts come IMO.
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I know you have a thing for Thomas...  And I am not saying that i don't agree with you....But you can't put it all on him...We had ZERO room to kick that punt...and a block was more than likely going to happen.
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Travis Thomas needs to go.
I coulda told ya that after the first game 
The dude just isn't good at all.
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We might as well get some of these cuts out of the way ASAP.
I know we don't want to play starters much over the plan, but a little wouldn't hurt based on last night display.
They need the work and they are getting beat up anyway.
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When I went to TC this year, he was insane. I was dialing up everyone I know telling them how Thomas was going to not only make the team but be a contributor. I'm not sure he won't latch on elsewhere, but two big blunders in a row don't equal a job.
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Just listened to RAC's interview (8-12) on the Home Page, and it seriously sounded to me like Jerome is sitting on the bubble with a good chance of being cut because of his inability to block. RAC says he has the willingness but that his size is a hindrance. I know this would be shocking and the thought of it probably will seem absurd to many, but is there a chance he goes and Thomas or Scott stay instead?
Thomas should be the one to go, HE SUCKS! Harrison can at least break some good runs here and there and he can catch too. I doubt Jerome goes anywhere. Austin Scott should stay too, he's got good potential and we need all the RB depth we can get, in case J Lew goes down.
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Harrison might have looked good last night, but this isn't the first time he's looked killer in the preseason. in 2006, i thought we had finally found our back. the thing is, if you'll remember, when the 2006 regular season began, he stunk out loud.
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Harrison might have looked good last night, but this isn't the first time he's looked killer in the preseason. in 2006, i thought we had finally found our back. the thing is, if you'll remember, when the 2006 regular season began, he stunk out loud.
Yeah, he only averaged 6.2 yards per carry and 9.5 yards per reception in 2007.  
Last night while the rest of the team looked helpless he averaged 7.2 yards per carry 
He's one of the most explosive players on our offense and he can't get any playing time...... I'm not suggesting he replace Lewis but it seems obvious that we'd want to get him more touches - at least until some team proves that they can contain him.
If 6.2 yards per carry average "stunk out loud" then what does he have to do to be good???
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I yhink he stays for now just because he runs too well and I like him better than the two mentioned. Who plugs if Jamal goes down (distinct possibility)? I think he gives us stuff and might help keep JL fresh til later. But he is, given the three, the pick of the litter in a not so good litter. Probably keep and tag for upgrade next year. But he is running out of patience in the coaching circle; nothing good about his future in what I read between RAC's lines. But JMHO.  
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Harrison might have looked good last night, but this isn't the first time he's looked killer in the preseason. in 2006, i thought we had finally found our back. the thing is, if you'll remember, when the 2006 regular season began, he stunk out loud.
Yeah, he only averaged 6.2 yards per carry and 9.5 yards per reception in 2007.
Last night while the rest of the team looked helpless he averaged 7.2 yards per carry
He's one of the most explosive players on our offense and he can't get any playing time...... I'm not suggesting he replace Lewis but it seems obvious that we'd want to get him more touches - at least until some team proves that they can contain him.
If 6.2 yards per carry average "stunk out loud" then what does he have to do to be good???
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Lewis: avg 4.4
Petersen: avg 5.6
Tomlinson: avg 4.7
I know it's only preseason, but watching Harrison last night was impressive.
It wasn't the yards he was getting, it was the way he was running.
Very elusive, great moves, able to squeeze through tight areas to squeak out an extra 5+ yards, followed his blockers well. He looked good out there. Would be a nice one-two with Jamal as long as he gets the pass rush thing under control.
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I actually saw him throw a few blocks also
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Harrison was horrible saturday. He wussed out on a block that almost got Dorsey be-headed on saturday, and he whiffed on a few more. Now, critics will look at those same plays and see the reception he made and say "Ooooh but his hands looked great." Don't drink the Kool-Aide guys...Harrison sucks. He shouldn't make the roster, but will because Travis Thomas and Austin Scott have been below average.
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Probably true.
Probably also a good reason to draft a RB next year.
James Davis is my pick
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Davis is awesome. Him and Arian Foster are my two top choices to be Browns in 2009.
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As I said before pre season started BigC, unless Harrison learned to block, he would see much playing time this year.
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It is time we draft a stud to share the carriers with Jamal. Wright and Harrison aren't the long term answer. I'm sure we will drafting a RB, DB, and O-line next year.
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I'm just annoyed he's going to make the team and the insane internet hype he gets.
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I am more annoyed that he didn't have the gonads to learn to block.
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Harrison was horrible saturday.
Well if we're cutting everyone that looked horrible in the preseason this year then we're only going to have about 9 guys on the roster when we're done.
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True, but it's preseason and he's a fringe player. His whiffs in pass pro (don't be concerned, I have the times and plays noted at home for future reference) were HORRIBLE. The guy is painfully pitiful as a blocker, and an average receiver, but yet all I hear is that he NEEDS to be the third down back, etc. Plus never mind the fact that he's an average runner, I'm just wondering why everyone loves this guy so much?
I've conceded he'll make the roster, but this whole thing is silly. This is more of a commentary on everywhere on the net where Browns fans discuss Harrison...
Poster 1 - Harrison needs to play more! He's electric!
Poster 2 - I know! I just read article (link to fluff piece) where it says he bulked up/is working on pass blocking and catching.
Poster 3 - Oh boy I know! Harrison needs to play more, he's electric!
Poster 4 - He's better than Jason Wright!
Poster 5 - Why wasn't he activated more last season, he's electric! RAC is dumb!
Poster 6 - Harrison can't pass block, hence why he's note playing.
Posters 1,2,3,4,5,6 - BUT HE'S ELECTRIC! 6 PLUS YARDS PER CARRY!
Poster 6 - He can't pass block.
Posters 1,2,3,4,5,6 - You're crazy! Harrison gives the team it's biggest scoring threat in the backfield!
(and so on)
I'm sorry but logic and gamefilm are just going to mean more than oooh six yards per carry. Give me 15 mins and I'll a stable of stooge running backs who over the course of a season hit for that many yards per carry in that limited amount of time.
If Thomas or Austin Scott hadn't looked horrible out there, this is a no brainer, Harrison's gone. Heck, I'm not even ruling it out that for final roster cutdowns that a trade is pulled for another RB.
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So I think I'm clear on your thoughts on Harrison  Let's set that all to the side for a second and address the flip side of it.
Jason Wright - why should he make the team? I'm guessing your going you're going to say he's not as dynamic a runner but a much better blocker - right?
His average yards per carry are terrible. How is he any better than our TWO FB's we're carrying? Wright is a boring runner with very little explosion. How can we possibly keep two FB's and FB-ish Wright?
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It's pretty simple, actually. You don't always have your FBs in the game and need someone to keep your QB off the stretcher. Wright might be boring to you, but a MUCH better back all around than Harrison. He may not be as fun to watch, but his efforts is what contributes to wins. Harrison's contribute to the 3rd string QB getting alot of game time.
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It's pretty simple, actually. You don't always have your FBs in the game and need someone to keep your QB off the stretcher. Wright might be boring to you, but a MUCH better back all around than Harrison. He may not be as fun to watch, but his efforts is what contributes to wins. Harrison's contribute to the 3rd string QB getting alot of game time.
But answer the question, what can Wright do better than a FB? Seriously, he's not fast. FB's can pass protect. Why keep Wright?
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The guy's a monster on special teams as well.
Wright is the kind of player that plays a role and does it with alacrity on a Championship type team. I wish we had more guys like him in fact. Especially on defense.
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as a backup RB, in case of injury. he actually averaged 4.6 YPC last year, so he's fairly capable runner.
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I did answer the question. You don't always have a FB in the formation. If you bring one in to replace JL, it will telegraph what it is you are going to do. The D will know that the FB is in for pass protection. Not only that, but I would say that Wright is much better at picking up the blitz than either FB. Also, as mentioned above, Wright is a beast on special teams. He contributes in every way on the field.
Now, please tell me why you would want a player that only has one dimension to his game. I know you have said he's exciting, but that doesn't really get measured when the FO evaluates talent. There is far more to being a RB than just giving the fans something to scream about once in awhile.
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He's the teams third down back, which Vickers (well, maybe Vickers could), Ali, or Harrison can't be. When you pass as much as the Browns, having Wright is a key.
The guy's a much better runner than he gets credit for. He's not straight line fast but he avoids hits well and can run for a decent clip.
A real tried and true 3rd down back might be the most boring player on the player on any team, but still important.
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Now, please tell me why you would want a player that only has one dimension to his game.
I don't think Harrison can be fairly called a one dimensional player. He can be an explosive runner (which I think even his deriders would concede), he can catch out of the backfield, and he has the talents to play Special Teams. I thought he was playing ST in the past but I'm not looking it up right now. It seems that the only advantage Wright has over him is better pass blocking.
I'm agreeing that our RB's may need upgraded I just would be inclined to dump Wright before I cut Harrison. I value the explosive runner over the superior pass blocking. I also have a big problem with carrying two FB's in addition to Wright.
Vickers seems to have all the running and receiving skills of Wright. I don't honestly have a good understanding of Vickers pass blocking skills.
If Lewis is a lock at the #1 RB and Vickers is the #1 FB it seems like the third RB shoudl be a change of pace type runner. Neither Wright nor Ali could be considered a COP runner for Lewis....
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I think people forget how important role players are. Ala Kevin Faulk of the Pats. His receiving capabilities do much the same as Wright's blocking on 3rd down does for us. Harrison is strictly a runner IMO. He can catch a little out of the backfield but isn't the threat that someone like Faulk is. Defenses wont respect that on 3rd down, and his blocking is a liability. This isn't even considering Wright's ST contributions...which Harrison also doesn't do. You need unsung, unflashy players to do the jobs that keep the team chugging along. Is Wright the most talented RB ever? Lord no, but he does everything this team needs and asks of him. Probably the most UNDERRATED player on this team.
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I look at Harrison as Lewis' backup...not as a 3rd down back.
Through today...Wright brings more to the table on passing downs than does Harrison because of his blocking...but Wright is half the runner than is Harrison.
There is no rule that says your #2 RB must be a good blocker OR play special teams OR even block. It's nice if he can...but not a requirement.
I'd like to see Harrison spell Lewis for 6-8 carries a game...not backing up Wright.
I understand the importance of special teams...but if Harrison is a good #2 RB but sucks on special teams...then we just have to find someone else to play special teams.
He is the #2 RB first...and is better at that than is Wright. So we find another guy to play special teams. I think RAC looks at this backwards.
If we pickup a vet to be the #2, I bet HE won't be on special teams nor will he be put in to block ala Wright.
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yeah we don't really rely on Jamal's blocking ability. Jerome should make the team only because I haven't been impressed by Scott or Thomas (don't see practices so coaches might differ???) to pick up any slack and neither impressed me on special teams.
Wright 100% is on this team. If the last two games hasn't impressed us that we need a RB like Wright in there to pick up the blitz I don't know what can!
Likewise - its why Jerome is one dimensional - in the terms that he can't be the 3rd down back for his lack of blocking. His only shot on the team is as the premier RB and as long as we have Jamal that spot is taken. But he'll probably make the team because all we got is Scott n Thomas and neither is pushing him out.
Oh and expect Jerome to be IN-ACTIVE most games that we don't have guys nursing injuries. Cause as long as Jamal is healthy Jerome is just that...IN-ACTIVE.
I expect us to draft an RB next season...who knows maybe 2 (one early one late) if we take care of some needs in FA - Jerome won't be here too long unless he finally gets it and becomes a man and keep his head up when he blocks...it really is that simple!!
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Jason Wright - why should he make the team?
His average yards per carry are terrible.
so the 4.6 YPC last year is horrible?
then lewis needs to retire, and harrison is below average. so we an entire new backfield.
agenda much?
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so the 4.6 YPC last year is horrible?
then lewis needs to retire, and harrison is below average. so we an entire new backfield.
agenda much?
Unlike Harrison, Wright got a lot of carries last year and was essentially the starter for two games (JL started one but got hurt on the first carry -ish).
His yards per carry in those games were 3.0 and 3.9.
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If stats were all that mattered then Harrison would be the starter 6.2 but I'm sure we all know beter than to look just at the stats
I'm still trying to figure out what Wright brings to the table that Vickers doesn't. The idea of keeping five RB (3+2) and having three of them that are mediocre runners just doesn't make sense to me.
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Wright is also Cribbs' main blocker on Kickoffs. Cribbs has attributed much of his success in the run back to Wrights great blocking and instincts that match his own. I like him, not for his running necessarily, but for his all around football abilities.
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