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The only thing about Wright is that he will not take it the distance. Anytime he runs, he will get the yards that you immediately see and then nothing more. With Harrison, when he touches the ball, you see someone that might break it. Yes, Wright might be better all-around but if Jamal went down, I would rather have Harrison in.
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With Harrison, when he touches the ball, you see someone that might break it.
Shaun Rogers has "broken" it more than Harrison. I really don't understand the love of Harrison over Wright. This love of potential over production. How a guy who can't block, with 200 yards and no TDs in two years, who's longest run is 17 yards get more respect than a guy who consistently produces. I guess because he's small, came with college hype and is a "threat" to go the distance makes him appealing to some. He's had some nice runs and catches, but nothing that says to me that he's overly dangerous on the field. He's caught easily enough, and is certainly brought down with no problem. Unless he's starts making good on that "threat" to go the distance once in a while, I think he's gone, probably when we draft the new RB. IMO, he's too much of a liability at blocking to keep simply because he maybe, might, someday "break" one.
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What ever happened to Barkley ( from Wake ) .. I know he got picked up by Tn. ...Then what ?? Thought the little guy had some Jazz 
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With Harrison, when he touches the ball, you see someone that might break it.
Shaun Rogers has "broken" it more than Harrison. I really don't understand the love of Harrison over Wright. This love of potential over production. How a guy who can't block, with 200 yards and no TDs in two years, who's longest run is 17 yards get more respect than a guy who consistently produces. I guess because he's small, came with college hype and is a "threat" to go the distance makes him appealing to some. He's had some nice runs and catches, but nothing that says to me that he's overly dangerous on the field. He's caught easily enough, and is certainly brought down with no problem. Unless he's starts making good on that "threat" to go the distance once in a while, I think he's gone, probably when we draft the new RB. IMO, he's too much of a liability at blocking to keep simply because he maybe, might, someday "break" one.
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The reason some of people like myself like Harrison is that he has the things that you cannot teach. Speed, vision, how to run and set up blocks are things that either you have or don't. Harrison has those things while Wright does not. Plus like I said, Its not like I dislike Wright because he is a decent back but he will not cause anyone to miss him or even look like he will take it the distance. But Wright does block. But Harrison is the better runner.
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Just so I understand what you're saying.....Harrison has the potential to break long runs and be "explosive" and his longest run in 2 years is 17 yards?
As someone else stated, Wright's blocking on STs have sprung Cribs for huge plays. Harrison can't block at all. So, you'd rather have this "explosive" runner that's longest run is 17 yards and get rid of Wright and the long returns of Cribbs?!!?!?! After all, Cribbs himself has credited Wright's blocking as a key to his success.
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What matters more, production or potential? On paper and in practice, Harrison has more potential, but less production. Right now the coaching staff doesn't trust him enough to activate him for games (well, in the past two regular seasons). Wright does the little things, and he's activated every week. Hmmm...
I realize I probably sound like a jerk in this thread, but it bothers me how much slack a guy like Harrison gets. People are constantly making a cause for him to play, but on one of the most explosive offenses of 2007, he barely made a peep. Sometimes, a guy just isn't that good. What's the shame in saying that?
Harrison and Travis Wilson get maybe more excuses and hype for their potential than I've ever seen in Browns history, all of which are pretty unfounded. The great unknown is usually not all it's cracked up to be. Just ask Kelly Holcomb.
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What matters more, production or potential?
Of course its production. And Wright does produce on special teams and a bit on when in games. But again, no one ever questions who is the better runner? When Harrison has gotten into games, he has look very good and quick running the ball. But he cannot block. And since he is not blocking the coaching staff does not play him. But when Jamal went down last year, they brought both Wright and Harrison.
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Sometimes, a guy just isn't that good. What's the shame in saying that?
Nothing is wrong with saying that and you are not a jerk. BUT when Harrison did get in, he has looked good if not better than Wright at running the ball. Last year, when he got into games, he looked more elusive than Wright. But if you are not a complete back, well then you do not get the playing time.
Now Travis Wilson is not even in this discussion because he has not even played a down of game football yet.
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After all, Cribbs himself has credited Wright's blocking as a key to his success.
Hey, it's great that Cribbs is the kind of guy to share the credit and give his blockers some love  - but if Wright got run over by a bus Cribbs would still continue to be an explosive player and premier return man.
But it was still nice of Cribbs to mention the guy 
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Ummmm, either that was a shot at humor or your football IQ is at the level of seaweed.....I'm gonna assume the former
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What matters more, production or potential?
By that logic we'd never play a rookie 
By that logic we'd still have Antonio Bryant on the team instead of the guy showing off in practice (Cribbs).
The worst arguement in football is "well the coaches agree with me". How many stars have sat behind average players until someone gave them a chance?
Wright's a better blocker..... blocker blocker blocker blocker blocker
jeez enough already
We have two FB's to block, five OL, two blocking TE's, and now we need another blocking RB ?? Maybe we should have drafted Joe Thomas as our blocking RB?? He can't run very well - but wow - look at his blocking
At some point you have to put some offensive weapons on the field and RB is supposed to be one. Remember how Quincy Morgan had EVERYTHING except the ability to catch??
I'm not ripping on you in particular big - just the philosophy that blocking is more important to a RB than running.
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Ummmm, either that was a shot at humor or your football IQ is at the level of seaweed.....I'm gonna assume the former
If you want to believe that Cribbs success is completely contingent upon Wright's blocking then I'm going to have to excuse myself from this conversation - cuz that's just plain silly. 
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Wright is an average runner and exceptional at everything else. Harrison is a question mark at running the ball ("explosive" isn't a term for someone with a career long run of 17 yards) and is HORRID at everything else a RB is required to do. Give me average in one aspect and excellent in others over POSSIBLY being good at one thing and putrid in everything else. This isn't Madden, this is real football.
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Wright is a avg runner, decent to good blocker, good pass catcher. Harrison is a good runner, bad blocker and I'm not sure about his pass catching because I have not seen him thrown too. Now, you can learn how to block, thats about technique and attitude.Certain aspects of running you cannot teach..ie..speed, quickness, vision. Yes, I can see why Wright is ahead of Harrison due to the blocking, BUT if Harrison ever gets that in his head, and given the fact there is no one behind him that has stepped up, you have to keep him and teach him to block! Do that, great change of pace back who can carry the ball!!
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That's the thing, DC. RAC has stated that Harrison is trying to learn how to block and worked hard at it. He intimated that Harrsion just couldn't do it.
I'm not saying cut Harrison this year. I'm saying there is a very legitimate reason why Wright is ahead of him on the depth chart.
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Just so I understand what you're saying.....Harrison has the potential to break long runs and be "explosive" and his longest run in 2 years is 17 yards?
As someone else stated, Wright's blocking on STs have sprung Cribs for huge plays. Harrison can't block at all. So, you'd rather have this "explosive" runner that's longest run is 17 yards and get rid of Wright and the long returns of Cribbs?!!?!?! After all, Cribbs himself has credited Wright's blocking as a key to his success.
But...But...Harrison can run fast!
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I can't picture JH being cut with the RB's that we currently have.
He's too tallented with the ball. We need 3 QB's...we need 3 RB's that can produce with the ball. Until we get someone who can block AND run, he's here. (I'd, make believe, bet)
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What matters more, production or potential?
Of course its production. And Wright does produce on special teams and a bit on when in games. But again, no one ever questions who is the better runner? When Harrison has gotten into games, he has look very good and quick running the ball. But he cannot block. And since he is not blocking the coaching staff does not play him. But when Jamal went down last year, they brought both Wright and Harrison.
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Sometimes, a guy just isn't that good. What's the shame in saying that?
Nothing is wrong with saying that and you are not a jerk. BUT when Harrison did get in, he has looked good if not better than Wright at running the ball. Last year, when he got into games, he looked more elusive than Wright. But if you are not a complete back, well then you do not get the playing time.
Now Travis Wilson is not even in this discussion because he has not even played a down of game football yet.
I've said in this thread that I feel Wright's a better runner. More vision, better footwork, but albeit less speed. I think Harrison's speed gets overrated, it just doesn't show up on film the way that it does on a stop watch. I look at Harrison and see a mostly straight-line runner with little power, or lateral movement. Wright's a decent backup one cut runner, but he makes up for it by doing anything and everything else.
Gift Horse - Saying that pass blocking for a RB isn't important is silly. Protection is king in the NFL. In college you can get away with speed at the skill positions and gamble that your guys will get open, but not in the NFL. You don't have to like it, and I rarely say anything this dick-ish, but you're wrong here.
Steve Spurrier found out as Redskins coach that you couldn't just send everyone on a deep pattern, pass block with your line. His QB's got killed.
NFL passing games demand a running back who can excel in pass pro, period. You mention Vickers, but he's rarely ever used as a third down back. Just because the guy can run block doesn't mean he pass block. Pass blocking as a single back, in any formation, in the NFL is not easy. Vickers doesn't do it, Wright can, Harrison can't.
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Saying that pass blocking for a RB isn't important is silly. Protection is king in the NFL. In college you can get away with speed at the skill positions and gamble that your guys will get open, but not in the NFL. You don't have to like it, and I rarely say anything this dick-ish, but you're wrong here.
Just to be devil's advocate here, but Jim Brown was a terrible pass blocker. He did one thing, run the ball, and did it incredibly well.
Now, harrison ain't jim brown, but he is a good runner. And just like the primary skill to be a wide receiver is to catch the ball, the primary skill of an RB is to run the ball. Unfortunately for harrison, however, his talent at running the ball isn't so extraordinary that it makes up for his failings at pass protection. we are a passing offense, not a running offense, so he's not really well suited to us. But he'll make it for one more year with limited time, and if lewis misses a game, he'll help wright carry the load and do fine.
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I still think that running some screen passes time-to-time would offset Harrison's lack of blocking skills. It would make teams think twice about sending a blitz when Harrison is in the game.
With that said, I believe that Harrison has much better vision and ability than Wright. And I think this whole blocking thing is being blown out of proportion.
In the end, I believe Harrison will make this team, and if he doesn't, he will certainly catch on somewhere else.
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The game has changed tremendously since Brown was in the league.
Tyler, actually it wouldn't make a team think twice about blitzing. All they would have to do is put a spy on Harrison to blow up the screen and still blitz.
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Saying that pass blocking for a RB isn't important is silly. Protection is king in the NFL. In college you can get away with speed at the skill positions and gamble that your guys will get open, but not in the NFL. You don't have to like it, and I rarely say anything this dick-ish, but you're wrong here.
Just to be devil's advocate here, but Jim Brown was a terrible pass blocker. He did one thing, run the ball, and did it incredibly well.
Jim Brown also played in a smash mouth era of heavy ground games. The NFL is a passing league now.
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Saying that pass blocking for a RB isn't important is silly. Protection is king in the NFL. In college you can get away with speed at the skill positions and gamble that your guys will get open, but not in the NFL. You don't have to like it, and I rarely say anything this dick-ish, but you're wrong here.
Just to be devil's advocate here, but Jim Brown was a terrible pass blocker. He did one thing, run the ball, and did it incredibly well.
Yep. there would be no place for a 21 year old Jim Brown in the NFL to day
Jim Brown also played in a smash mouth era of heavy ground games. The NFL is a passing league now.
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Saying that pass blocking for a RB isn't important is silly. Protection is king in the NFL. In college you can get away with speed at the skill positions and gamble that your guys will get open, but not in the NFL. You don't have to like it, and I rarely say anything this dick-ish, but you're wrong here.
Just to be devil's advocate here, but Jim Brown was a terrible pass blocker. He did one thing, run the ball, and did it incredibly well.
Yep. there would be no place for a 21 year old Jim Brown in the NFL to day
Jim Brown also played in a smash mouth era of heavy ground games. The NFL is a passing league now.
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Who said that? You need to put away your jump to conclusions mat!
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I certainly hope we keep Harrison...He has never really had a chance to play but when he has he has made the most out of it.
I see Harrison as another Jamel White type....i was sooo mad when we got rid of Jamel White...that dude catching the ball out of the backfield was just beautiful..its was like a guaranteed 8 yards on the screen to White.
I see a lot of that shiftiness and elusiveness in Harrison..when i watch him, its like watching Jamel White all over again
Who cares if Harrison can't block...Jamel White couldn't either, on 3rd downs let Harrison slip out of the backfield and catch the ball in the flats and give him some space and watch the kid tear it up just like Jamel White use to.
if you can get 45 catches for around 560 yards and 2 TD a year out of Harrison, who cares if he can't block...this sounds like a useful trade to me
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Our QB's, our Coach, our WR's, our GM, our owner, our fans. Should I go on?
I haven't seen anything where our QB's , WR's, GM, or owner have made any such comments... You have a link to an article or is all this "special knowledge"?
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Romeo made a statement a couple of weeks ago about the trouble Harrison is still having with his blocking .. Was posted here on the board ..
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Let me know when you hear ANY NFL QB, or Coach come right out and say one of their guys suck. It's not going to happen GH. I can tell you that Anderson loves Wright's blitz pickups that kept him from being planted several times last season.
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Romeo made a statement a couple of weeks ago about the trouble Harrison is still having with his blocking .. Was posted here on the board ..
That's what I thought, that the only person to comment was RAC and even his comments weren't very damning by any means. Just "gotta improve" type stuff that RAC has said about almost every unit from QB-WR-DL-CB and more.
I think RAC has made a "gotta improve" comment about everyone on the team except KW2 and JT.
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Just clicking...As for the references to Jim Brown in this thread.
Please give me a freakin Jim Brown who can't block...even in today's game.
But that is irrelevant cause Harrison isn't Jim Brown pure and simple...if he was - You know what? I would say - Blocking...pfffft who cares.
For that matter Jamal Lewis isn't the best blocker in the world...he's ok. But Harrison isn't a Jamal Lewis either.
He's going to be on the roster only cause I don't think Travis Thomas is good enough to surplant him. But its year 3 and he still can't block...which happens to be a state of mind not a skill that he just can't attain. He'll make this squad but as soon as we draft invest into another RB...he'll be gone for the simple reason that his only contribution to the team is as the Premier back and he can't win that job with who we got here.
JMHO - I like the way he runs but as long as Jamal is here that job is taken.
6 weeks from now we will be debating in another thread Titled...HARRISON IN-ACTIVE AGAIN - RAC IS CRAZY.
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That's what I thought, that the only person to comment was RAC and even his comments weren't very damning by any means.
Were you expecting Lerner, and Phil, to come out and say an eight year old girl blocks better than Harrison or what 
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I just hope that RAC finds a way to get Harrison some touches this year so we can find out who he really is. Both sides of the arguement have some good points - we just need some real playing time to let the picture become clear. I don't want to to get to the offseason again still wondering .
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I'm not still wondering... I think it's obvious that Jamal's years are numbered (and that number is 1, possibly 2).. and that Wright and Harrison both have some skills but neither is a RB that is going to take it to the next level... I'm seriously hoping that we answer enough questions and enough guys step up that going into the offseason, we have exactly TWO serious needs to address, one being the cornerback position and the other being the RB position... Not that we won't have other areas where we can improve some, but with those being the only areas we HAVE to address and go look for a stud...
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That's what I thought, that the only person to comment was RAC and even his comments weren't very damning by any means.
Were you expecting Lerner, and Phil, to come out and say an eight year old girl blocks better than Harrison or what
Nah, I just trying to find out if there was any substance to your claim that they all had a problem with Harrison's blocking.
I'm clear now that you were just portraying your opinion as theirs. 
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Actually, he's portraying common sense. I'm POSITVE that DA is concerned with Harrison's putrid blocking. He's on the receiving end of the hits that are caused directly by Harrison not being able to block. Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that it's only an "opinion" that DA is concerned with being blind-sided? Seriously?
I've never had a link to a source proclaiming 2+2=4, either, but that doesn't mean it is my opinion.
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