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What I don't understand about this coaching staff, is that, just as Eo alluded to, Harrison is a premeir type back, not a third down back. Wright is a third down back, and is very effective in that role.
I believe that if Harrison would be given the chance to start in Lewis's role instead of Wright, and keep Wright in his role as the third down back, people's opinions would change.
I see this whole thing as a coaching mistake. Harrison should be Lewis's back up and not the guy put in to block on third downs. While I understand to some point why they do it, I don't understand why they keep doing it. RAC stresses that players have more than one role, but I don't see that as a philosophy of every coach. I find this staff to be stubborn when it comes to situations like this.
The fact is, when Harrison is called upon to carry the ball, he does it very well. He is a threat in space, and anyone saynig differently has not watched him perform in this situation. He is bad at being a third down back because of his blocking skills, so why do they insist on playing Wright as the main runner, when he is clearly at his best on third downs and blocking. This baffle me to no end.
I've read this whole thread and some of it sounds like people who have not really seen what he can do with the ball. One poster said he had no power, which I think is absurd, and has been proven. He also states he has no moves and is not that fast. That is bull, plain and simple. Harrison has one fault,blocking. Those making up other things IMO are just doing that, making them up.
Before I get bashed for my opinion on this, I wish the people who see him as a bad back, would look back to the times when he has carried the ball. He produces the majority of the time.
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Harrison is a premeir type back
Not as-is, no, he is not.
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"Harrison should be Lewis's back up and not the guy put in to block on third downs."
Except for one thing...as a backup he must learn how to block...and even as a starter we will pass sometimes and teams will blitz - he needs to learn how to block.
As a backup he must learn/earn a spot on special teams. We cannot afford free rides on the roster.
Not good enough to start...not good enough to block...not good enough to play special teams. He'll be waiting for the matinee - on the Inactive list.
Yes, I think he is our best bet if Lewis goes down for a game or two. Without a doubt he has skill sets with the ball in his hands.
But even in the off-season after his rookie year - LT spent the entire off season honing his blocking skills cause he knew he had to become better than ok and for him to be a great back it meant to do all things well.
I guarantee you Lewis became an OK blocker because he worked at it and made it so. I cannot think of many rookies who block well...they all have the same M-O in that department.
Harrison as stated will make this final roster 99% sure. But because of his stagnant progress in blocking and inabilities to contribute to special teams will number his days here after this season as in Not For Long!
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But because of his stagnant progress
we have a few of those.
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Nah, I just trying to find out if there was any substance to your claim that they all had a problem with Harrison's blocking.
I'm clear now that you were just portraying your opinion as theirs.
I'm portraying my opinion, and the opinion of some others in Berea. 
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"we have a few of those."
Statistically speaking.
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I find this staff to be stubborn when it comes to situations like this.
RAC's strength and weakness all rolled up into one.
When he sticks with someone and they eventually produce it's called character.
When he sticks with someone and they fail it's labeled as "can't pull the trigger and make timely changes".
Sadly, I think we're seeing more of the latter with RAC. From Carthon to Frye he shown that he doesn't like to make changes until the FO forces him to. It makes me wonder if RAC is really the right guy to be HC or if he's just an awesome assitant coach.
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Easy Clevesteve...Peen n I go way back, even minus the Smilies its all in fun and more of the Tennessee Tit twisters variety with a bunch of guys joking around ( personally I hated those guys  ) than two slugging it out.
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Can anyone tell me how Harrison looked tonight??? I hear he looked pretty good and ran well!!!!!!! Just wondering??..
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Can anyone tell me how Harrison looked tonight??? I hear he looked pretty good and ran well!!!!!!! Just wondering??..
lets just say he has no chance of being cut, lol
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Thank you!
If you read the previous posts, you will see I was for Harrison getting a bigger role but acknowledging that he has to learn to block. I said he was the better runner vs Wright. I'm wondering will those other posters admit that now??
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Harrison looked good. I saw him pick up the blitz pretty well tonight, which is a big plus for him.
He'll have an expanded role this year. The boy is slick.
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Harrison looked good. I saw him pick up the blitz pretty well tonight, which is a big plus for him.
He'll have an expanded role this year. The boy is slick.
My father's exact quote during the game.
"Harrison is like Pruitt but a little slower."
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After watching Harrison in the pre-season I think he needs more touches, too bad there are only so many touches to go around. I wonder if at the end of his career there wont be any could have been thoughts about him and his time in Cleveland.
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I said he was the better runner vs Wright. I'm wondering will those other posters admit that now??
Wright - 9 carries 41 yards 4.5 YPC Long 11yds
Jerome - 7 caries 35 yards 5 YPC Long 12 yds
Thomas - 11 carries 70 yds 6.36 YPC Long 33yds
Hm, Thomas must be better than both of them.
I wonder if playing against the 1st team -vs- 2nd & 3rd teams has anything to do with anything?
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or if playing with the 1st team vs 2nd team etc had anything to do with it..all semantics, I will say this, the holes that the 1st team oline were opening up were huge, if JL was in and had those holes...good lord
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So, putting up similar numbers to Wright while playing against the 2nd & 3rd team Ds while Wirght was going against the 1st D means people have to "admit" Harrison needs more touches?
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So, putting up similar numbers to Wright while playing against the 2nd & 3rd team Ds while Wirght was going against the 1st D means people have to "admit" Harrison needs more touches?
Nope, but watching the games shows it. Can't say I look at the numbers, I dunno who brought them out........ But as long as Harrison has had chances, he's produced in games. They both have gotten touches against the 1st team D's this preseason. Watching Harrison in preseason and last year, he's clearly a better runner. I really don't see what people who dissagree with that see.
Harrison with the ball reminds me of Tiki Barber. At least Tiki back in the day, he originally had a backup split carry kind of role, but he improved every single season. He was a smaller, shifty guy, who could run up the middle. I love Tiki Barber. He's the man, too bad what he said about Eli and the G-Men sort of tarnished his legacy
One thing I'm not sure about though is how good Wright is as a reciever. I just can't recollect enough catches to come up with an idea. But it's pretty clear that with the ball in his hands Harrison is better. He is a small guy who's very shifty who can not only run the outside, but he also is very effective inside the tackles.
But as we all know of course, Wright plays special teams, blocks much much better, and i'm not sure who can catch the ball, but I seem to remember Harrison dropping a few. Although a short DA pass when you're not ready is pretty easy to drop it seems like.
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I admit, I did not see the game so that is why I had to ask how he looked. But, most times Harrison plays, he usually hits the holes quicker, is pretty elusive and always looks like he is about to break a run. Folks said on this board that he did pick up a blitz. But sooner or later, and I would bet a beer on it, that Harrison will prove to be a better back than Wright.
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So, putting up similar numbers to Wright while playing against the 2nd & 3rd team Ds while Wirght was going against the 1st D means people have to "admit" Harrison needs more touches?
Look at Harrison's regular season stats... that is what PROVES that he needs more touches...
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So, putting up similar numbers to Wright while playing against the 2nd & 3rd team Ds while Wirght was going against the 1st D means people have to "admit" Harrison needs more touches?
Look at Harrison's regular season stats... that is what PROVES that he needs more touches...
He did have nice runs when he got in games last season, but that's not the reason I want to see more.
It's just the way he runs, his style, and his ability to find a crease and make something out of what appears to be nothing. Like I said earlier, he's a slick runner. I don't know what other word to use to describe him. He's just very slick.
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That is what I see everytime I see Harrison run. Someone who can get in a crease, juke a defender, and make something out of nothing. Wright is a good pass catcher but if a play will only get you 5 yards or less, that all he is going to get whereas Harrison might juke a defender, get 10+ yards. But like I said, if Jamal gets hurt in the regular season( which I pray does not happen), Rac and Chud will have to look at Harrison seriously!!
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That is what I see everytime I see Harrison run. Someone who can get in a crease, juke a defender, and make something out of nothing. Wright is a good pass catcher but if a play will only get you 5 yards or less, that all he is going to get whereas Harrison might juke a defender, get 10+ yards. But like I said, if Jamal gets hurt in the regular season( which I pray does not happen), Rac and Chud will have to look at Harrison seriously!!
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I said he was the better runner vs Wright. I'm wondering will those other posters admit that now??
Wright - 9 carries 41 yards 4.5 YPC Long 11yds
Jerome - 7 caries 35 yards 5 YPC Long 12 yds
Thomas - 11 carries 70 yds 6.36 YPC Long 33yds
Hm, Thomas must be better than both of them.
I wonder if playing against the 1st team -vs- 2nd & 3rd teams has anything to do with anything?
In the case of Thomas, probably.. as for Wright and Harrison, not so much.
Because if you look at the first quarter, when the #1s were in....
Wright 6 carries for 36 yards for a 6 ypc avg.
Harrison 3 carries for 18 yards for a 6 ypc avg... and a TD...
and I don't really have a favorite, I'm of the opinion, that if our OL opens decent holes, both of them are good enough.. but Wright failed to get in on 3rd and goal from the 1, but Harrison did get in on 4th and goal from the 1...
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100% agree with the first half of your post, DC but this: Quote:
but Wright failed to get in on 3rd and goal from the 1, but Harrison did get in on 4th and goal from the 1...
...is an apples/oranges thing. Wright's line plunge wasn't going to succeed because of the stacked box D the Bears used.
Harrison's play worked becuse of the misdirection (nice call, btw- go Chud!).
The only way to accurately compare the 2 is if the same play was called for both... and one succeeded while the other failed.
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Easy Clevesteve...Peen n I go way back, even minus the Smilies its all in fun and more of the Tennessee Tit twisters variety with a bunch of guys joking around ( personally I hated those guys ) than two slugging it out.
JMHO...I think?
ha! tabber i wasn't caling you wimpy... it was a euphamism for one of our players that seems to lack some strength that 'Peen's not too keen on.
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Wright 6 carries for 36 yards for a 6 ypc avg.
Harrison 3 carries for 18 yards for a 6 ypc avg... and a TD...
You could also just look at Wright's first 3 carries for 25 yards and call it an 8.33 ypc avg... and say that Harrison's TD was all play calling. Any RB could have run in backward with that call and misdirection.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not down on Harrision other than his blocking ability, I love his "potential", but I think it's ridiculous when he is touted as being superior to Wright. There is nothing to back it up, no proof in production. The mantra, "he is a better runner," spouted over an over sounds convincing but his production hasn't backed it up. Not last night, not last season, not this preseason. So I have to wonder, when do I get to see this better runner actually run better, produce more yards and do his job in the backfield?
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Our RB depth chart will be as follows.
#1 Lewis
#2 Wright
#3 Harrison
Cut: Thomas (Maybe practice squad) + every other RB on the roster.
I will be VERY surprised if we cut Harrison, I just don't see it happening.
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First time reader on this topic. So my awnser to the question would be YES. It would help if he could play on one of the kicking coverage units. I dont know the extent of the injuries to Cribbs and Steptoe, but Im sure Harrison would be given a shot at returning. Especially to keep him on the roster, but I think he will be kept regardless of what he can do on special teams.
The bigger question IMO would be. Over or Under. Will Harrison be activated for more or less than 50% of the games on gameday?
I pretty much agree 100% with what Strife said. Other than Thomas making the PS. He hasnt shown me anything as a RB or on specail teams. I would rather the Browns take a look at another RB they havnt got to see yet. But thats only to add another RB to the PS or add one to the roster, if one of the 3 RBs they will keep, suffers a season ending injury. We should have a smiley that knocks on wood.
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Harrison role:
Savage said in the event Lewis missed time, Jerome Harrison would be the 1st- and 2nd-down starter while Jason Wright would remain the third-down back. It's a departure from last season, when Wright started one game in place of the injured Lewis (foot).
Glad to see Harrison moving up the depth chart.
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Savage said in the event Lewis missed time, Jerome Harrison would be the 1st- and 2nd-down starter while Jason Wright would remain the third-down back. It's a departure from last season, when Wright started one game in place of the injured Lewis (foot).
Glad to see Harrison moving up the depth chart.
I hope this is true, because IMO that is the best scenario. Let the better runner run the ball and let the better blocker play in the situations where he needs to block.
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I stopped thinking of Harrison as a 3rd down back a long time ago. Mostly because he's a pretty good runner...and not so much because he isn't a great blocker.
In other words: Pretty much exactly what you just said.
He is the backup RB as he should be...sometimes I think Savage speaks to get Romeo to stop being so darned stubborn.
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Savage said in the event Lewis missed time, Jerome Harrison would be the 1st- and 2nd-down starter while Jason Wright would remain the third-down back. It's a departure from last season, when Wright started one game in place of the injured Lewis (foot).
Glad to see Harrison moving up the depth chart.
While Savage did say that, he also said Wright & Jerome would share the carries, running back by committee, here's the actual quote:
Phil: Well, I think if Jamal were down for an extended period of time you basically see Jerome take over the first and the second down type plays and Jason would probably stay in the same role that he's in now as a third down back and special teams kinda guy. When Jamal is healthy, he's the kind of runner that really needs multiple touches. I think it takes Jamal fifteen, twenty carries to really get to a point where you maximize what Jamal can do, so when that happens it's difficult to get a second, an alternate runner a lot of touches. So, when Jamal is up and running, and going well, it's hard for Jerome to get a lot of play time, but it doesn't really impact Jason's rotation 'cause he's a third down back, and special teams guy. So I think if something were to happen with Jamal it would be kind of a committee type thing with both guys. But Jamal should be fine, good to go here in the next day or so.
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