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wine, the pd did a GREAT feature on Frye and his life prior to Week 1 last year. If I find it I'll send it to you. From what it sounded like he's a down-to-earth guy.
He wasn't treated any better or any worse in Willard when he came home to visit friends and family...that's pretty cool in today's era of prima donnas and me-first players. He was one of us, for all intents and purposes.
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Prpl, here's an interesting quote:
However, Frye is easygoing and likeable, which seems to help him better relate and communicate with the rest of the players. First-year quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor also says Frye is smart and has a firm grasp of the team’s offensive system.
What would be interesting is if he left the NFL and became a coach somewhere. He might not have the tools to do the job per se in real time. But he knows enough about the game itself that he could be a coach. He might be able to beat a blitz with his mind but not in real life. Plus, everyone likes him and he's easygoing and he'd be a good player's coach.
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Dave Krieg had a bunch of good years in the '80s--the '84 Seahawks made the AFC playoffs in '84 and '85 IIRC. But their best player at the time, IMO, was the best S ever to play the game (I'm only half-joking) in Kenny Easley.
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Has anybody ever heard of a team trading their starting QB halfway through the 2nd quarter of the 1st game?
I didn't like the way it came down either,, but sometimes, there isn't a choice,, it appear that Seattle wanted him so either ride out the year and hope for a better deal, or cut the cord and move on...
As it turns out, the decision they made appears to be the correct one..
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keeping that time period in perspective, there were plenty of reasons to do it, as much as we all hate how it happened.
if frye stayed on the team, there would still be a group of fans wanting him to start (i'd admit that i would've been one of them). trading frye right away removed some controversy but more importantly, it opened the spot to bring back dorsey. at the time, we thought quinn was going to be the franchise qb so it was best to bring back the guy that was supposed to be his best friend and mentor.
as bad as the move looked, i think it was the best thing for both frye and the browns.
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CF was a huge reach... Bad pick by PS... He is a # 3 QB @ best. He'll need to somehow become consistant or he'll be selling insurance soon... He's not a Brown anymore... Thank goodness... So why the hub bub here? I wish CF good luck and success in whatever he does...  
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But their best player at the time, IMO, was the best S ever to play the game (I'm only half-joking) in Kenny Easley.
I liked Kenny Easley....but I think you are forgetting about a guy named Steve Largent....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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if frye stayed on the team, there would still be a group of fans wanting him to start
I'd hope that wouldn't be a reason,, but yeah, some fans would have been yelling for him to start....
maybe he'd have caught on, maybe not..
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CF was a huge reach... Bad pick by PS... He is a # 3 QB @ best.
No offense intended Boise,, but Holmgrin, one of the best Offensive minds in the game, doesn't share your beliefs,, again, no offense, but I'm going with his opinion..
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None taken... What did MH give for CF? If you could pick up a 3rd rounder? for a 6th and park him on the bench as your #3 for 2 or 3 years wouldn't you? Where is CF on the Depth chart? Has MH not stated more than several times recently that CF needs to learn the offense, improve and become more consistant in his play and leadership? How much longer is MH in Seacocksville? So by most indications it seems MH and I have similar thoughts, opinions and perspectives on this subject...  Save the huge reach part...  I live up here man... This is Seahcockskville South... I read it, listen to it and talk it everyday... If my knowledge set regarding the Seahhawks was what yours seems, I'd play it safe too. To each their own. 
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What did MH give for CF? If you could pick up a 3rd rounder? for a 6th and park him on the bench as your #3 for 2 or 3 years wouldn't you?
Sure but by your comments in a earlier post, I gather you don't even think Frye was worthy of a 6th round pick.. Holmgrin appears to disagree or why would he pull that trigger.
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I was under the impression that he was retiring after this season,, not sure if I have that right.. I'm assuming that because he may be leaving, you think that CF's days will be numbered?
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We clearly don't get all the scoop on the seehawks that you get since you live there, but I know what MH has said. THen I saw Charlie play the other night and damn if the kid didn't look 100% better than he ever has... Take that for what it's worth.
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What did MH give for CF? If you could pick up a 3rd rounder? for a 6th and park him on the bench as your #3 for 2 or 3 years wouldn't you?
Sure but by your comments in a earlier post, I gather you don't even think Frye was worthy of a 6th round pick.. Holmgrin appears to disagree or why would he pull that trigger.
Your reply ignored my comment. Wouldn't you spend a 6th to get a 3rd to sit on the bench as your #3 for a few years?
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He's either second or third I believe,, more than likely third. But that's not even the point. MH has said that he wants CF to grow into the 2nd spot so he can feel comfortable using Wallace as a Receiver or was it a Slash type player.. CF is #3. Seneca Wallace is intrenched as there #2.
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Yeah, same could be said for Brady Quinn and DA? What's the point?
BQ is a #1 pick and clearly #2 and in his 2nd year...  Anything could be said about anything... CF has not become consistant enough to be the back up. Period.
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I was under the impression that he was retiring after this season,, not sure if I have that right.. I'm assuming that because he may be leaving, you think that CF's days will be numbered? MH is going to take some time off a subatical... The way CF has been playing his days will be numbered.
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We clearly don't get all the scoop on the seehawks that you get since you live there, but I know what MH has said. THen I saw Charlie play the other night and damn if the kid didn't look 100% better than he ever has... Take that for what it's worth. Saw the game... Typcial CF good sometimes, poor most times...
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I haven't a clue what that is supposed to mean
It means that you don't know enough about the Seahawks and what CF has been doing and hasn't to be having an intelligent discussion on this. IMO.
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CF is #3. Seneca Wallace is intrenched as there #2.
They are hoping Frye can be their #2 QB. It has been said multiple times that they want to use Seneca Wallace as a receiver. He isn't "entrenched" as their #2 QB.
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Why are we talking about Hasselbeck, Frye, and Wallace, when we could be talking about Anderson, Quinn, and Dorsey? 
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Are you saying that Dorsey is better than Anderson?
Browns is the Browns
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Sure but by your comments in a earlier post, I gather you don't even think Frye was worthy of a 6th round pick.. Holmgrin appears to disagree or why would he pull that trigger.
Your reply ignored my comment. Wouldn't you spend a 6th to get a 3rd to sit on the bench as your #3 for a few years?
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Sure, but by your comments in a earlier post, I gather you don't even think Frye was worthy of a 6th round pick..
Notice the comma after the word sure...... had you taken a moment to read what I said before deciding that I didn't answer your question, Then I wouldn't have to ask if you were dropped on your head as a child
I was saying, sure, I'd trade a 6th round pick for a guy that was drafted in the 3rd round... On paper, I'd do that everyday.
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I knew there was something about him retiring.. you use the word sabbatical, does that mean he's gonna take a year off and then return to the Seahawks or just to coaching? Not sure exactly so if you know,, tell me.
As for CF's playing days being numbered,, again, just cause you believe it, doesn't make it so..
I get a kick out of this.. Boise, you know I mean you no harm,, none at all,, but stating your opinion and making it out to be fact is exactly opposite of what I constantly get accused of.. I'm contantantly told that I can't make up my mind and that I ride the fence..
To me, it's not fence riding, it's being open to things that may or may not happen.. and to me, that's better than making an unsupported, brash statement as if it's fact, when in fact, there isn't any way to know.
Hell, I just confused myself
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Mike Holmgren, the Seahawks' QB coach, and Hasselback are and they have had many positive things to say about him.
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They are hoping Frye can be their #2 QB. It has been said multiple times that they want to use Seneca Wallace as a receiver. He isn't "entrenched" as their #2 QB.
The Browns were hoping CF was going to be tthe starter too... Hope is not the #2 QB in Seacocksville... SW is clearly their #2 and is "entreanched as their #2" Without question. Have you watched their games have you seen the depth chart? Who plays when Hass is unable too? SW
Speak to sonmething you have some knowledge of... Next.
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Homers... So did the Browns have nice/postive things to say about CF when he was in C town... Yet they sent him packing, none too soon, after he totally fell on his arese in the Pitt game last year... We are talking about a over-rated, third round, reach pick of the Browns who is a # 3 QB on the West/Best coast Seattle Seahawks... Is there a bigger waste of our time than this? Would you ever say something negative about a guy you played with? Or would you be positive, optomistic and complentary? GMAB Coach... Come on man... You are one of the sharpest knives on this entire board... I aint buying that, ever...
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What I have said about CF in Seattle has been said stated or written by the team, coaches, FO and MH in particular. I use the word sebatical... Becasue thats exactly what MH said...  The only bit of opinion of mine is, his playing days being numbered... Personally I don't think you are too off base very often... That is neither here nor there... This topic is not one of your more knowledgeable... I see what you were saying... Sorry... I will jump on you again in the future... It's what I do. And you'll deserve it like we all do from time to time... Your entitled... You continue to bring you stuff and style please. It's one of the few reasons I visit here much anymore... Until next time...
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Mike Homgren has proven he knows the QB position. Savave and Crennel made a move based on the system and he had more VALUE than DA at that point in time, as they stated he was the only one that there were offers for. I'll take Homgren's assessment of QBs over yours. 
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I was talking to a friend of mine who moved to a town just outside of Seattle and he said its unclear who is the number 2 right now. They are not high on Wallace but consider him a slash type player. He said most fans feel if Hasselbach went down Frye would be the man. No matter what the depth chart said.
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I think they like what they see in Frye up there in Seattle. He played very well upon his second game up there. His first game though, UGLY.
At any rate, he's got the right people around him to succeed. And he fits that WCO system very well. I hope the guy lasts awhile in the league, and gets another shot leading a team.
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Boise,, am I gonna have to come up there and turn you over my knee No wait,, I have been told you like that.. so that's not exactly punishment is it Anyway,, you obviously don't care for Charlies abilities... you have clearly made up your mind and that's perfectly fine with me.. I really hope you are wrong, personally, I'd like to see him do well for himself.. nothing to do with who said what.. its just that he's a local kid and I'd like him to succeed.. as I would any local kid.. Again, I hope you are completely off base on your assessment of Charlie.
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I haven't a clue what that is supposed to mean
It means that you don't know enough about the Seahawks and what CF has been doing and hasn't to be having an intelligent discussion on this. IMO.
Does that mean because you dont get the coverage of the Browns that us fans do in NE Ohio, that you dont know enough about the Browns as us Ohio fans?
Just curiose, does anyone know Fryes stats this preseason? I know that Seattle has taken a huge hit to the WRs with injuries. I dont see how Frye has much to work with playing with Seattles 2's and 3's.
I also thought that Holmgren has stated that he is comfortable enough with Frye as a #2 to put in Wallace as a WR, due to all of the WR injuries.
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That is the plan. MH, the Seahawks QB coach, and Hasselback have all had very positive things to say about Charlie. Bottom line, I trust their QB evaluations over Boise's.
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For whatever it's worth ...... The updated Seahags depth chart has Frye listed as #3. http://www.seahawks.com/Team/Team.aspx?show=depth
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What coverage and or information do I not have avaliable to me regarding the Browns that would prevent me from having enough exposure to the same information and knowledge that you or anybody else has here? I didn't write that there was a difference in the infomation or effort available... I clearly wrote that there is not enough knowledge on the topic by the poster in question. Read man read... MH has not said that he is comfortable enough with CF to promote him to #2... He stated that he "hoped" that CF would step up and produce so that he could... Again... read man read... Coach, wrong... They want to incorporate SW in the offense because of his skill set and injuires... The SH's haven't been able to do that becuase CF hasn't stepped up yet... I would take MH's QB eval over mine too... Yours as well...
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I'm wrong much of the time when it comes to player evals... And life in general... I'm correct much of the time too... I hope I'm worng about CF... I hope that he becomes a solid NFL QB. I believe he is a solid and quality human being. I wish him well in all things. We shall see... Yeah, I do like the rough stuff from time to time... But let's not and say we did...  He... he ...he...  Until next time...
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Ummm, no I'm not wrong. I am going by what MH has said. He has told Charlie that he knows that he can take over the backup position and that the offense is suited perfectly for him. He said this right after the trade and also repeated this spring during OTAs to Charlie himself. If Hasselbeck goes down, you will see Charlie under center. You may have read the papers, but I've talked to the guy we're discussing.
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No, you are worng... Again... Most reciently MH has said what I have posted here... I have quoted him directly... What MH said last year and what he has said in the pre-season through the last few weeks is different from what you are portraying here... CF is # 3 on the DC. Period. And if Hass goes down today in practice, SW will be the starter tomorrow. I'll believe that CF will start when and if Hass goes down over SW, only when I see MH send him to take the field... 
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OK, MH lied to Charlie and what you are saying is actually correct. I spoke to Charlie LAST WEEK after his great game and that is what MH told him. I was just pointing out what was said since the time of the trade. MH has not changed his opinin or his plan. It doesn't bother me what you "believe" because I know what MH "believes".
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Why would you say he's #3 in the rotation?
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Maybe you haven't been paying attention the last couple of years even before Charlie was drafted. I stated before he was a Brown my relationship with him. I will state it again, so you can stop rolling on the floor laughing. I met Charlie when he was a freshman and have known him ever since. I coached him his senior year in an All Star game and his head coach in college was my high school head coach (as well as his high school coach being a close friend of mine). We have known each other for years. I have always talked to him well before he became a Brown. That didn't stop when he got drafted. I have stated many things on this board about the status of the Browns or a situation with the Browns only to have it confirmed later on by the media. If you don't want to believe it because it goes against what YOU want to believe, that's up to you. As I always say, you can take it or leave it, but my track record on inside information speaks for itself. So, the bottom line is that Charlie did tell me that MH said he had all the tools to succeed in the system, he had more than enough arm strength, and that MH felt he could be the #2. You can twist what I said any way you want. I don't really care. As I said, the things I've posted as inside information has always been confirmed by the media. In time, this will,too. I'm sure you won't be around to discuss it when it happens, though, as you won't be able to dismiss what goes against your expert evaluation of QBs.
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So I'm supposed to buy that you talk to CF? And CF says, told you, the he is #2 when he is # 3 on the DC and #3 in the actual QB rotation? GMAB...
I know what I have read and have seen the interviews that have come directly from MH. And what he has said is what I have quoted here...
Uhm... Yeah... OK...   
Coach B is from Mansfield or Ashland, Ohio. Frye is from Willard, Ohio about 20 or 25 miles away. Every one connected with Football in that area knows eachother. It would be surprising if they didn't know one another.
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We'll see what happens when MH goes down this year and he will.
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I don't belive it... That is all I'm saying and willing to say. That will have to be good enough for you.
SW is the back up. SW is #2 on the depth chart. SW has been taking the 2nd team reps and played last year when Hass was out. SW will start when and if Hass gets hurt this year too.
CF is the #3 QB in Seattle.
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I understand some of your points.
The same could be said for any area of the country... Many of us know players. And or know someone who does or comes in contact with them because they live in or do things in areas where we live...
Anything is possible...
Coach very well may speak to and know CF.
I don't believe that Coach talks to CF. Thats no judgement on or statement about Coach.
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