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I think if Gerald Lawson shows something he could be that last CB. Might be the best option with a dried up market.
Yeah, it should be a good 3 way battle for the 5th corner spot between Perry, Lawson, and Davis. This would be a really bad year for one of our starting corners to get hurt regardless though.
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The coaches are experimenting with safety Chris Crocker in the starting lineup this week, having him play a cornerback role in the nickel package.
"I think Crocker probably has some of the best cover skills that we have back there at the safety position, which helps us from a flexibility standpoint," coach Tony Sparano earlier this week.
What we wouldn't do to have Crocker back. Now that kid could lay some wood.
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 ...While Daniels migh turn out to be a Good addition , IF someone with his limited experience and availability is supposed to be an improvement IMHO we are in trouble....However , for a 7th Rd. pick , we can't complain and only time will tell....
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Man, I was looking for more of a player-for-player trade. I hate seeing us give up more draft picks.
7th rounder doesn't hurt too bad, but you never know what yhou can get with that pick. Look at late rounds picks....DA, Hall looking good for a 7th rounder. Steptoe. Well, we needed help, so we gotta take what we can get I guess.
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Man I remember Daniels being touted as a 2nd or early 3rd rounder before running that slow 40 in the combine.
This is getting yucky...
So will Savage trade next year's 4th for Youboty? We'd stil have our 1st, 2nd, and 6th rounders!
Wait, I think I do remember this guy from a few years back. Does he have a brother that is a DB as well? Josh?
Nevermind, I think I'm confusing him with someone else......Bullocks I think....yeah. Just ignore me.  I don't know much about him.
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Everyone keeps posting we gave up a seventh for this kid, but I must have missed that. I only see an undisclosed late 09 pick.
can anyone verify that it is indeed a 7th and not a 6 or 5 or whatever?
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It says we traded our 7th round pick in the ESPN article at the top of this thread.
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I thought he'd wait unit the cuts but obviously either felt we couldn't wait because we suck, or didn't want to take the chance of not getting him, maybe both, but a 7th for a 4th year 4th, not bad, if he has talent.
Savage, in a Radio Interview from a month or so ago, said that he doubted anyone from the cuts would be available to the Browns.. something about 21 other teams would have to pass on them before they got a chance. So it doesn't sound like, for other than bottom rung players, that cuts were ever on his radar.
That's the way I took it anyway. A trade seemed like the only way we were going to pick up anyone..
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This corner position just scares the heck out of me. Wright did not have a good game against the giants. Two weeks in a row our secondary has made a WR for the opposing team the hero.
Savage had to do something. Waivers probably would not help, but i am sure they will still be scanning them for a surprise cut. Mortenson mentioned Daniels as a possibility for the browns several months ago- give him some props on that one. Can't say i know anything about him - a Saban guy helps i think.. . . i hope.
I wouldn't be to upset with a trade with Buffalo- i still think we have some picks in the bank once a QB is traded.
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I'm nervous about the position too, but ONLY if Wright or McDonald actually get hurt. If they stay healthy, I have confidence in them getting the job done again. I'll be surprised if Wright messes up like in the Giants game ALL season long and neither of the 2 starters made any Jet WR a look the hero in preseason game 1.
Obviously injuries are a reality in the NFL and our depth at CB is SCARY.
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7th rounder doesn't hurt too bad, but you never know what yhou can get with that pick. Look at late rounds picks....DA, Hall looking good for a 7th rounder. Steptoe. Well, we needed help, so we gotta take what we can get I guess.
When is the last time our 7th round pick made our 53 man roster? 2005 our 7th was Dunn and I believe he was cut and then spent some time on the practice squad. Our two 6th's Speegle and Hoffman never did anything.
2006 was Hamilton and I think he was cut. Even our 6th Baba was cut. Our 5th was Minter and he was cut.
2007 Pittman and Steptoe were 7th's that were both cut and then played on the practice squad. Purcell was a 6th and he was cut...
2008 we have 6th Rubin and Hubbard and Hall as our 7th. I don't think there's any chance of all three even making the practice squad.
Any of these guys could have been signed when they were cut or even off our practice squad at any time. There just isn't much value in a 7th.
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Other than the fact that: 1. Hamilton played and played pretty well in 2006. He was a surprise cut the following year. 2. No mention of Vickers, our other 2006 6th rounder. 3. Purcell was on the PS last year, then brought onto the roster for the SF game but was inactive. He has played both preseason games this year. 4. I would say the exact opposite about the 2008 late rounders. Hall will make the team. Hubbard might, will definitely make the PS if not. Rubin will make the PS if cut because he needs to develop his lower body. Other than that spot on! 
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So out of three years and 9 picks we landed a FB in the sixth.
What other 6th or 7th round pick of Savage's has contributed a single snap in the regular season?
6 176 Nick Speegle LB New Mexico
6 203 Andrew Hoffman DT Virginia
7 217 Jon Dunn T Virginia Tech
6 180 Lawrence Vickers FB Colorado
6 181 Baba Oshinowo DT Stanford
7 222 Justin Hamilton DB Virginia Tech
6 200 Melila Purcell DE Hawaii
7 213 Chase Pittman DE Louisiana State
7 234 Syndric Steptoe WR Arizona
I think Hamilton is the only one. Tough to say that he made much of a difference for us.
I hope you're right about the 2008 rookies but I really doubt that there's room for all of them considering:
1) No NFLE exemptions
2) We carry 3 QB's
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Has Justin Hamilton caught on with anyone yet ???
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He's on the Redskins roster. No idea where he stands there or if he's a pending cut or not.
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7th rounders...well I think two of them will be on our roster.
Steptoe and Hall - actually you can make a case that Savage does his best the 2nd day in the 7th round...lol 
But lets be real. Parcells who is rebuilding from the ground up on this team always has done it through the draft. He's not going to keep bubble guys from the past regime - he's always wanted his kind of guys. We have a need and they had a guy that Savage probably had in high regard when he was drafted.
Its also a player from LSU and Savage is like King down there Alabama LSU territory, he's probably known this kid from way back.
Also our scouts scour the NFL for possible young talent that might become available he seem to be one of the top in that category. Also he has the versatility for depth at both CB and Safety. Play in Nickel and Dime packages...Special Teams.
Our depth is being comprised of 08 UDFA's - he's definitely an upgrade on James who started out impressing when we were in shorts...once the pads came on we never heard anything positive about the kid.
But an 09 7th rounder (unconditional 7th rounder - so maybe if he gets cut, no deal?)...near the later part of the round...we'll get 5 or 6 in camp with very similar talents as UDFA's. Not much separate them.
Heck for every Steptoe or Hall that might make the team - we got a Cribbs or Bodden who not only made the team but actually have had impact.
Investment...Risk vs reward. No brainer. I don't know this kid from Adam. What I do know is that as a rookie he played quite well - Since Saban left the franchise there has been AMOK...am I surprised the kid never progressed and probably digressed? No not at all. Does it guarantee we will get him back on track? No, but the kid has talent. We are much better organized than the Dolphins the last couple of seasons. We have a need and he has a shot.
Now if only we can get a pass rush!!! 
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Its also a player from LSU and Savage is like King down there Alabama LSU territory, he's probably known this kid from way back.
I don't think it hurt that the kid played for Saban either.
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As a rule:
I like keeping draft picks
I like trading down in drafts unless there is a player too good to pass
I never like trading up
So what do I think of this:
Could be okay. The Fraley trade was certainly a good move. If this one works out like that one we got ourselves a steal.
But don't discount the potential value of a 7th round pick even though they miss far more than they hit. There are plenty of players in the NFL that were 7th rounders or UDFAs that are in the Hall of Fame, Pro-Bowlers and very good Starters for teams. Just because we've missed recently doesn't mean we won't hit soon!
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He's on the Redskins roster. No idea where he stands there or if he's a pending cut or not.
Justin was signed, then cut when their draft pick who was a safety was signed. They resigned him again the day we signed the two scrubs.
He played very aggressive against the Packers (he is #32, not #23 like the roster says) and looked very good IMO in pass coverage. He made a couple solid tackles, but blew a sack when he blitzed untouched. He also whiffed on a cutback run on the Packers last drive. The whole Redskins D looked like crap tackling, so he fit right in.
He was cut due to an injury (high ankle sprain) that he got in the third preseason game last year.
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Just because we've missed recently doesn't mean we won't hit soon!
And this guy might be that hit.
As a rule, I would trade 7th rounders every year for players who have made NFL rosters a year or two.
Yep, I may miss out on that Colston pick, but in the long haul, I will be better off.
But that is just me and my desire to take the better odds over rolling the dice.
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Pdawg, are you speaking of Justin Hamilton?
If so, I have never understood why that kid isn't on the roster here... I liked him.
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I will go so far as to say ; I thought he would work better than Pool ..
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In that I would agree...if I could trade a seventh for a establised player almost every year , I'd do it....I'd fill spots that way.
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i agree. trading a 7th-round pick for an established player every time is going to pay off more in the end than drafting and hoping to get the next Brady. the reason why it's so talked about that Brady was a 7th-rounder and has become a virtual lock for the HOF is because it almost never happens. meeting a pittsburgh fan that has a full set of teeth is far more likely, if that puts it into perspective for you; that is to say, it's extreeeemely unlikely.
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Sucks that he's on the Skins now. Oh well.
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"I don't think it hurt that the kid played for Saban either."
And now I just read that he was recruited to LSU by Tucker before he went to OSU.
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I wonder what the leauge avergae is for player taken in the 5th 6th & 7th round per team is. I have a feeling overall more 6th & 7th rounder dont make the team than those who make it.
I have a feeling the Browns & Savage might be above average in this catagory.
The draft is a crap shot, alot of 1st & 2nd rounders dont make it, so we cant be too over critical if a 6th or 7th rounder dosent.
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oh yeah; i'd call it a bonus if the 200+ picks even make the final cut.
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And now I just read that he was recruited to LSU by Tucker before he went to OSU.
LOL,, only makes the pick up more understandable.
The question I have to ask is why would Parcells let him go?
I mean, soon, after he's had time to adjust and learn, we'll see the value if any..
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I saw where a couple people questioned why a CB from a bad team would improve our secondary. This guy was actually the starting Corner the last time the Dolphins had a good team. He played opposite Patrick Surtain in his rookie season which was the last one Ricky Williams played before he decided getting high was more important than playing football. I could be wrong but I think that team went 9-7 that year.
After that he got some injuries and couldn't stay on the field. For whatever reason Parcells has decided to go in a different direction. maybe it's that he just isn't a Parcells guy or maybe it was the injuries or he may not fit into the defensive scheme.
I think for a 7th round pick this may turn out to be a solid backup or nickel corner. All I know is with the guys we have back there now it can't hurt to bring in some new blood.
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I saw where a couple people questioned why a CB from a bad team would improve our secondary.
All I can say is that a bad team isn't always made up of ALL bad players..
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I saw where a couple people questioned why a CB from a bad team would improve our secondary.
All I can say is that a bad team isn't always made up of ALL bad players..
I think in almost every one of these instances it's either a) the player has worn out his welcome for some reason or another and/or b) the team acquiring said player is hoping a change of scenery will improve their play (and more than anything else, there is probably some history there with said player i.e., the new team had eyes on him in the draft or a member of the coaching staff is familiar with said player).
There could also be a third possibility which is the case with our own Fraley, the guy just became expendable due to a better talent sitting behind him.
It sounds like Daniels is a combination of a) and b).
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Maybe....but.....
Would you trade Alex Hall for Travis Daniels straight up? Just an example
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Right now? Hell no.
In 8 weeks from now? Who knows.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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"I wonder what the leauge avergae is for player taken in the 5th 6th & 7th round per team is."
I don't have them but I know who does....Savage - every few months or so he'll get into a technical discussion about draft picks and rattles off the pcts. like they were his kids birthdays. (does he have kids? )
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Me neither.
But Alex Hall was a 7th round athlete and there's no telling if we could do worse or better in 09.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
I'm sure the Miami fans are thrilled they got someone who was a likely roster cut.
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Would you trade Alex Hall for Travis Daniels straight up? Just an example
You can always point out examples. If I started pointing out 7th rounders taken as examples, I would probably win by a good margin..
I am simply talking about odds.
The odds are in my favor from a pure numbers standpoint.
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I saw where a couple people questioned why a CB from a bad team would improve our secondary.
All I can say is that a bad team isn't always made up of ALL bad players..
Just to play devil's advocate here, allegedly he wasn't going to make it past the first cutdown in Miami...
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I'm still hoping somehow we can get Youbouty from the Bills or Foxworth from the Broncos.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Just to play devil's advocate here, allegedly he wasn't going to make it past the first cutdown in Miami...
Quite often, one mans trash is another mans treasure. I guess we'll see soon enough.
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