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That's pretty funny.
I wonder if he actually reads those things...
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Maybe I've had too many beers, but I just went to www.braylonedwards.com
and sent a message to him. I asked to be on time, think before he speaks, and play his heart out for US!!!! Do you think he will read it? LOL 
You guys do the same!
Remember, be respectful. He's sensative. 
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Maybe I've had too many beers, but I just went to www.braylonedwards.com
and sent a message to him. I asked to be on time, think before he speaks, and play his heart out for US!!!! Do you think he will read it? LOL
You guys do the same!
Remember, be respectful. He's sensative.
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Remember, be respectful. He's sensative.
If he's truly "sensitive," he must already know what we Browns fans think of him, which brings me to my "open letter to Brayleon"- something I've been putting off for awhile, now:
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Hey, Brayleon!
If you read these boards (and I suspect you do...) think about this:
We Browns fans have seen Paul Warfield, Gary Collins, Webster Slaughter and Brian Brennan... guys who could actually catch the ball for their team. You ain't showing us much yet, compared to them- despite what you think of yourself. And before you whine that you've been injured, remember this: the aforementioned receivers played hurt, too- at a time when NFL rules didn't protect them from the other Real Men on the field.
And... you will always be compared to them by us- until you play well enough to make us compare them to you.
...and that is what you want- isn't it?
Do yourself a favor... listen to your coaching, practice running a crisp route, and actually CATCH THE FREAKKIN' EASY ONES. They'll pad your stats, make us stop crapping on you, and actually help you make it to a Pro Bowl or two before you stigmatize yourself into undesirability.
Browns fans are DYING to embrace and love their players. You have enough natural gifts to make that happen... and that only spells good things for you in the future, when you make your bid to jump to a more glamorous locale.
Some gentle advice: Dance with the one who brung ya.
Dance really, really, REALLY hard.
And catch the [censored]- [censored] ball.
< *smack!!!* > Wake TFU, "knucklehead"... you're being your own biggest impediment to Canton!
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IMO..........you have proven in the past that you are friends w/Leon. True, or not?
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Robo got fired because it became apparent that with him as WR coach, our receivers were never living up to their potential. With him we've been through a lot of receivers and none of them really became great players.
Hmmmmmmmmmm........name former Brown's receivers who went to other teams and got better under these supposedly better WR coaches?
I've asked that question to others and am still waiting for an answer. Bet you will ignore it too.
David Patton.
That's about the only one though.
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We Browns fans have seen Paul Warfield, Gary Collins, Webster Slaughter and Brian Brennan... guys who could actually catch the ball for their team. You ain't showing us much yet, compared to them- despite what you think of yourself.
I'll add that we've seen the other end of the stick too, Mr Bad Moon Rison. You don't play for the team you get found out pretty quick in Cleveland. 
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Well done Pat...I come down hard on you when you're a bozo 
But I got to give you Props when you are on target... Good job Pat...too bad you don't read here anymore.
can't we just e-mail him and remind him about this board?
I think this article is right on track... nothing said that shouldn't be...
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nevermind... I just did...  maybe he will give us some props in one of his articles like he has before when we were all over at clevelandbrowns 
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But at his season-ending news conference this past week, General Manager Phil Savage praised Edwards for catching two deep passes down the sidelines against the Houston Texans even though he was out of bounds.
He also said the Browns need to communicate to Edwards that ``we understand some of the pressures that he's under.
``The fact that he's gotten a boat load of money and he's a Michigan Wolverine playing in an Ohio State town,'' Savage said.
Give Savage credit for being honest and telling the truth as he sees it, but this sure seems like a curious analysis.
Edwards -- so far -- seems like the classic case of the player who wants it both ways. He wants the money and the fame, but then does not live up to all the responsibility
UHHHH..Forget where he came from...it's where he is now..COMMUNICATE to him he is INMATURE and sloppy in his fundamentals and he better START performing up to his potiential or else..
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Ok, here is my ever-important opinion on the whole braylon thing.
First and foremost, if he wasnt from michigan, he would get about 1/3 of the crap that he does get. People need to get over that, he is a brown.
second, his tv show is stupid, and i like him LESS because of it. His parents are money-grabbing jackasses, and they have made a son that is the same
thirdly, i dont mind a player with swagger, but he needs to produce first. i think that he will produce, lets not run him out of town before he starts.
fourth, what the hell is pat mac complaining about, braylon makes his job damn easy! if he wasnt writing about braylon its back to CAP'N Crunch.
so, unless you want to stay in the re-building mode forever, you dont run a first round pick out of town, no matter how much you hate the school he came from, and no matter how many drops he had last year. give him a chance to practice the entire offseason (which he couldnt do last year) and build some chemistry with a QB that isnt running for his life.
frankly, i think he needs to get married. it sure did settle down KW2.
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I was thinking about Patton, but I thought he was here before Robo. Am I wrong about that?
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That might be right. Patton was here in the 2000 seaon, IIRC. Robiske joined the team in 2001.
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One of the first move of Butch I remember was to release/not sign Patton (maybe his contract was up??? not sure) when he got here in 01...So Patton wasn't a product of Robo's.
I am pretty confused about one thing. Savage made 3 quotes that were in the article...a heck of a lot of speculation's and everything derived from those 3 quotes that were pretty non-eventful in this whole matter. Let alone basis of firing Robo and others.
I thought that had to do with the stagnation of our Offense so we along with our OC that went mid-season we let go most of his assts. How that has grown to coddling BE is beyond me 
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I am pretty confused about one thing. Savage made 3 quotes that were in the article
Now I am also..what were the quotes about?
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One early.
"`we understand some of the pressures that he's under.
``The fact that he's gotten a boat load of money and he's a Michigan Wolverine playing in an Ohio State town,'' Savage said.
but he combined two different quotes for this one.
the other later:
``I can speak from my own experience,'' Savage said. ``I know a lot more about this job and a lot more of what I think it takes to be successful than I did two years ago. My personal reaction is that I'm going to go home and be more introspective.
``Another person's evaluation of themselves might have them make a public display or chirp to the media about a problem.''
Basically saying BE is immature in his way to respond. But he understands that immaturity...nowhere is he saying its acceptable and they don't talk to BE or even not start him for a game which they did. Its not like they are not dealing with it...Just they don't see it as a Cancer.
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"He is a good person and comes from a good family,'' Savage said. ``You don't do what you do at Michigan and have the kind of reputation you have and be a bad guy.''
Ok here he's pimping his draft pick...oooo evil...lol 
but thems all the quotes in this article. The rest I see in these post are speculative made up stuff - pretty soon BE is responsible for what else?
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we understand some of the pressures that he's under.
To some people that SOUNDS weak..to get why a person acts like they is not the same thing as handling them..but in people's minds the fact he said WE UNDERSTAND automatically sounds like WE'RE DISMISSING IT because we know why..which isn't the case..
If I get what you're thinking..
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exactly...and I think discipline is handled in house. I don't go and tell all if I smacked my kid or grounded him or whatever I do to discipline...actually I'm lucky all I got to do is give them the look  and they buckle...lol
But just cause we don't describe our inhouse handling doesn't mean we just stroke the kid.
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and there u go tabber .... what happens in my house stays there ... and u ALWAYS and i mean ALWAYS present a UNITED FRONT in public ..
I am 100% sure that Brey was given the lowdown and told he needs to grow up or their wil be consequences and that is not sumptin u want the dolts like us to know ..
keep your HOUSECLEANING in HOUSE ... and Opie should be sticking up for him in public .. whats he suppose to say?? its not like he condoned his behavior .. he just said he understands it .. i mean whats he suppose to do back Brey up against a wall in public and not have his back?? kinda hard to ask someone to grow up and support U when u are hanging him out to dry in public ... no??? *L* ..
pat mac can say what he did .. OPIE CAN'T .. they have two tottally different relationships with Brey ...
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It's always WAY too easy to try and take what these PUBLIC figures say as gospel and 100% truth, when reality is that they have to say what they say in order to maintain the ship.
RAC and Opie have said all kinds of things that sound one way but are, in reality, nothing more than static responses designed to keep the media, players, and fans from taking said comments and running with'em.
I've bagged on RAC for numerous things, but nobody can bag on him for his quotes about Mo. I believe he once said that "If it works it's a good play and if it's bad it's a bad play." While I don't believe in RAC, what else could he say about his OC? Throw him under the bus in public? What's Opie supposed to say? "Edwards is acting like a spoiled little bitch and if he doesn't clean his face we're going to bloody his nose!"
If we're going to get Ewards turned around, it'll have to come from him. The organization has made it clear through public channels that he has to change and grow up. Further public humiliation does more damage than good at this point. The message has been sent. Now it has to be handled behind closed doors.
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My only problem with this explanation is what if the comments are more in line with what is actually happening. Edward's punishment - or lack thereof - to this point would seem to indicate that.
It is possible to have a dysfunctional organization. And nobody really knows if that's the case here or not.
These comments could mean they are keeping things behind closed doors and don't want to throw BE under the bus. Or they could be the real company line on this situation. In that case, we are in for a long, uphill battle.
I think the only thing we can go on right now is what we've seen. We have seen no real punishment for Edwards - just a half-hearted attempt that seemed to be window dressing for the upset fans.
That concerns me.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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To answer your question, you have to consider what would happen if the organization told THE TRUTH about Edwards to the camera.
Would it be better to handle the situation this way, or to come right out and tell everyone that Edwards is acting like a spoiled brat, and that his teammates and coaches don't respect him because of it?
Consider that question, then you'll have your answer.
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That's why I said the only thing I think we can go on is what we've seen. To this point, we've seen no real discipline.
Maybe there is real discipline going on behind the scenes. If so, it doesn't appear to be working.
I agree with you that they have to choose their words carefully. In that sense, words don't mean all that much. What they are saying could be the company line or it could be how they really feel about the situation - and potentially babying BE a little too much.
So if you look past the words, I don't see much happening. Then again, I'm not in Berea.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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The key is......discipline for what? A team can't fine a guy for being a jerk. A team can't fine a guy for renting a 'copter and flying to a game despite the teams advice. However, they can take action against him for being late for meetings, and they did. When you're a primadonna, making you sit on the sidelines with all the world watching you is a level of humilation that you and I can't understand.
The other side is that he worked hard to rehab, and that has to be taken into consideration.
So where are we? We're in muddy waters here, where things aren't cut and dry. That's why it's so hard to determine how to move forward, and why Savage and Co. has to be very careful in public 
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The other side is that he worked hard to rehab, and that has to be taken into consideration.
it has also been noted that he and KW were in a friendly competition while rehabbing together. i'm wondering now if the playcalling on the field hasn't affected BE in one way or another.
tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
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The other side is that he worked hard to rehab, and that has to be taken into consideration.
it has also been noted that he and KW were in a friendly competition while rehabbing together. i'm wondering now if the playcalling on the field hasn't affected BE in one way or another.
If you are implying that KW gets more play calls than BE, I just didn't see that this year, and I watched every game.
I think Winslow was the check-down on a lot plays, and I think BE just didn't make the most of his opportunities.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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U mean Edwards DROPPED A LOT OF BALLS I give him credit for coming back so soo after his injury but it would have been a lot better if he caught a lot of those balls he dropped and RAN THE RIGHT ROUTES..he wasn't going to outrun anyone so might as well do it right
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All football players these days are nothing better than mercenaries playing for the
highets bidder. MOST of them get that and go out and do their job.
Then you have the TO type which Edwards is tryin to emulate and failing at that too.
good article Pat
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If you are implying that KW gets more play calls than BE, I just didn't see that this year, and I watched every game.
i think we all watched every game. all i know is KW had 91 RPG to BE's 60. BE had more RPG only 3 games outa 16. no matter if KW was the check down on every play, when your talking ego's (which we are) it affects the mindset of someone as egotestical as BE. now stop and consider that we really didn't have any earth shattering problems out of him until the 2nd half of the season. anderson comes in for frye and BE starts hailing him the next romo. imo that was stupid to totally alienate your starting QB like that. (whether i like the bum or not).
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j/c I sent an e-mail to pat this morning and he replied to me I basically gave him this web site... here is what he said... Thanks for pointing that out to me ... I'm flattered by the comments ... And even the critical ones make me think.
Y'know, I've looked for that board since they moved it and couldn't seem to find it (duh) or I had to register or something. Now that I know where it is I will start reading again.
Appreciate the heads up and thanks for keeping in touch.
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my response was...
no problem... I posted your reply...
If you could do us one favor so we can get some more users on the board... Throw us a bone in one of your articles with our web address... Maybe say it's a great place to have a discussion about the Browns... I know we would all greatly appreciate it!
thanks again!
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his website is hilarious.. those pictures... WOW!! almost looks like he belongs back with the jackson 5 w/ that one pic where he is CHEEZING like the kool-aid man.. haha..
but anyway... Edwards will hold it down.. he didnt have that bad of a year.. 800+ yards.. thats pretty good having 2 QB's...
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He's a lot better model than he'll ever be as a NFL football player...
"There's no I in ME.... There no ME in I...
BE is all flash... BE see my sig... Become my sig...
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his website is hilarious.. those pictures... WOW!! almost looks like he belongs back with the jackson 5 w/ that one pic where he is CHEEZING like the kool-aid man.. haha..
but anyway... Edwards will hold it down.. he didnt have that bad of a year.. 800+ yards.. thats pretty good having 2 QB's...
yeah but the problem is that he could have had 900 yards and Frye would have had 4 less interceptions if BE could learn to be less like Quiny Morgan
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You can tell those that have coaching experience from those that don't in these responses. Eo and Diam have it 100% correct. You present a united front once you walk out of the office doors. I have been on staffs that would come close to blows when coming up with a decision, but once we left the coaching office, EVERYONE SUPPORTED the decision. It's the same with discipline. You handle that inhouse and it's not for the public to see. All those screaming for public announcement of disciplining an employee would be up in arms if they were disciplined at their job and it was released to their co-workers let alone the general public. 
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I wish we could unload Braylon Edwards for a late first round pick..maybe even a second round pick and another second round pick in the 2008 draft. I am gonna give Savage the benefit of the doubt because he wasn't on board for very long with a new staff when he drafted Edwards. I have been pleased with most of Savage's picks. But Edwards is a punk. I about [censored] my pants when Savage made the comment about (paraphrased) "we know what he is going through"..give me a break there are a million people out there that would play WR for the Browns for league minimum. It's a game and he is getting paid millions to play it. I just wish someway somehow we could unload Edwards and draft Calvin Johnson. I may be wrong but I don't see Edwards saving face. He'll be booed out of Cleveland faster than Tim Couch was. What pissed me off most about Edwards was when he made the comment about Russell's hit on Chad Johnson. That hit was clean, first of all, and secondly Johnson had that coming to him. Sooner or later someone was going to lay him the lumber. But for Edwards to publicly call Russell out showed me what kind of player he is. My guess is if we still had Trent Dilfer alot of that [censored] wouldn't have been going on. We are missing that veteran leadership. Another thing about Braylon, the article mentioned him donating money for a scholarship fund at Michigan. The funny thing is the scholarship is for whoever wears #1 on the football team if I read that correctly. How freakin vain is that?
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Braylon's Attitude sucks for the most part, but only cuz the Browns are losing.. that is the ONLY reason...
and 2nd the guy had 800+ receiving yards i think.. i mean thats a lot for a WR with Frye/Anderson running ur team..
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I didn't have high expectations for the Browns this past season as far as wins and losses are concerned. I definately wanted to see improvement and was looking forward to both Winslow and Edwards being on the field at the same time. I wasn't overly excited with all of the dropped passes Edwards had and his effort at times was lacking but like I said the thing that pissed me off was when he called out Russell his own teammate for a hit on an opposing player. If JJ would have been on the field the entire season I think he would have had over 1000 yards so Edwards stats alone aren't enough for me to forget about how louzy of a teammate he is.
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Turk I agree with you, and thats the only reason I'm giving him a pass.
I know he's been not the best team citizen in the world, but he just wants to win. Which is why I wish he'da put more effort into some of the balls that werent right at him.
On the original post. About Robiskie Being fired because of Braylon? I hope no one thinks that. I think Robiskie got fired because none of our receviers have lived up to the hype given to them since hes been with the team.
think back to the year KJ, QM, and DN made the cover of our media guide. They were lame that year. I dont think it was all them, I think part of it was coaching.
I know people will stand up for him elsewhere, but i wouldnt.
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It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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