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Local school to get iPods By: Kristen Cresante, Assistant City Editor Issue date: 8/19/08 Section: CityPrintEmail Article Tools Page 1 of 1 Culbreth Middle School is making plans to give an iPod touch to all of its students and faculty members. The iPod touch models - portable media players that also connect to wireless Internet and play games - were purchased for an initial testing process and were paid for with school dollars at $299 each. If the Chapel Hill-Carrboro Board of Education approves, the school will distribute an iPod touch to each of the 700 students and 70 teachers at Culbreth. Currently, 14 teachers are learning how to use them. In the next couple of weeks, 20 students will receive them. "We decided to buy them with the hope and presumption that the board will support it," Principal Susan Wells said. With the board's support, Culbreth can fund the electronics for the rest of the student body with money from a partnership with North Carolina Virtual Public School, which provides students with online and technological learning opportunities. Wells said she is hoping to work with Apple, which makes the iPod touch, in the future to get a more discounted price. Wells hopes the iPods will enable students to better communicate with each other, with teachers and possibly with international students. "Technology is the absolute best way to connect all the pieces," Wells said. "We don't want them to power down when they walk into the school." The device can also be used as an assignments calendar, a way to access documents, flash cards and a calculator. Wells said students will be able to take the iPods home with them, but there will be regular check-ins with the teachers. "We'll do the same as we do for any textbook or calculator or anything like that," she said. N.C. Virtual receives its funds from money set aside for revised courses, partnerships with private grants and sponsorships from vendors and other providers. The funding for this project will not be finalized until it is approved by the school board, Executive Director Bryan Setser said. The first students to receive the iPods will be in the Advancement Via Individual Determination program, which works with students who have the potential to go to college but are in the middle of the field academically. "They are able to take on the curriculum, but they're falling short," Wells said. "We're looking to give them the organizational skills they need." Wells does not think the electronic devices will be too much of a distraction during classes and after school. "Just as I would hope they wouldn't be passing notes when they're not supposed to be, I would hope they wouldn't be using them when they're not supposed to be," she said. "It's really not any different than it was before. "I really think it is going to be transformative." Contact the City Editor at citydesk@unc.edu. The Daily Tarheel
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Just that one day when they hand out the iPods.
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Not sure what you're getting at here DC? Seems like a non story to me. I was assuming it was tax money (meant for other things like books, etc) when I read the title but it sounds like corporate partnerships and private donations? Should be encouraging such things IMO.
Even if it was (irresponsible spending), this would be the extreme minority. My mom works in the inner city public school system....if anyone wants to see underfunded, I can arrange a tour. 
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Things like this area almost always the result of a corporate grant. Apple gets tax writeoffs and a good public interest story, the school gets free technology which may help them reach out to kids (if approved right)
It has nothing to do with school funding.
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I see your point, as far as this goes.
However, underfunded schools is b.s.
You don't need to spend the most, or even be in the top 30% of spending, to educate kids.
Throwing money at education is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire pit. It does no good. When the kids decide they want to learn, they will. Until then, doesn't matter how much money is thrown at the school district - kids that don't want to learn won't. Heck, I learned, and we didn't even have air conditioning, and in gym class we played games where there were winners and losers - every day. We were also given grades - A's to F's depending on how well you did, AND teachers were allowed to paddle, and God forbid you got sent to the principals office!!!
Today? Spend more money. Don't paddle kids. Give grades based on "effort" (whatever the heck that means), make sure everyone gets chosen first at least once in phys. ed (it's not gym anymore), plus, give free breakfast as well as lunch.
We had poor kids back in my day too, and many of them excelled in school.
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My niece just graduated high school. They had AC but they also had Gym with games with winners and losers. She got normal "grades", mostly B's. And if she was out of line she went to he principals office, detentions, etc. Yea paddling is out but I'm never going to argue for paddling. People want to find some hippy dippy school in Yellow springs and hold it up like it's the model but in reality most schools are basically the same. Except that teaching is now a low wage career and most parents have a lot more to compete with to retain the attention of their kids.
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Except that teaching is now a low wage career and most parents have a lot more to compete with to retain the attention of their kids.
Parents fight to retain the attention of kids due to ipods, cable tv/satellite tv, the whole "I don't have to" argument kids take, etc etc etc.
I cannot speak for any area other than n.w. ohio. Teaching is NOT a low wage career, unless you consider first year wages of $28,000 low, and after 10 years making about $48,000 low. If you do, then okay, it's a low wage career.
I know, at age 22 - 23, I would have loved starting out at $28,000 per year while only working less than 9 months a year. (and don't start with the whole "teaching is year round" crap - it is not. Regardless, teaching is about the only profession where you get 3 months off, approx. 3 weeks off during the 9 months you work, plus vacation time. If it was so tough, and such poor pay, why would people do it? Why would they do it, then retire at age 50, or 52?
Teachers have it made compared to most workers - that have to work all year....only get 2 weeks of vacation per year, no retirement. Of a teachers day - from 8 am til 3 or 3:30 pm, they get a lunch and 1 to 2 free periods each day.
Oh, I DO know of what I speak. So a teacher has to grade papers at night once in a while? Join the real world.
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Not sure what you're getting at here DC? Seems like a non story to me. I was assuming it was tax money (meant for other things like books, etc) when I read the title but it sounds like corporate partnerships and private donations? Should be encouraging such things IMO.
Even if it was (irresponsible spending), this would be the extreme minority. My mom works in the inner city public school system....if anyone wants to see underfunded, I can arrange a tour.
I was looking at a Chicagoe public school district site......
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School District Name City Of Chicago 299 School District
This School's Agency ( IL ) District Average
Number of Schools Managed 633 3
Number of Students Managed 432,702 students 907 students
District Total Revenue $4,135,342,000 $8,184,000
District Expenditure $4,345,502,000 $8,197,000
District Revenue / Student $9,557 $7,864
District Expenditure / Student $10,043 $9,159
District Graduation Rates 47% 70% "
District expenditure per student---$10,043....underfunded or mismanaged???
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Teachers have it made compared to most workers - that have to work all year....only get 2 weeks of vacation per year, no retirement. Of a teachers day - from 8 am til 3 or 3:30 pm, they get a lunch and 1 to 2 free periods each day.
Comments like these only come from people who have never done it Arch. If it's that great, go ahead and try. You'll realize that you have no freakin clue.
PS: The reason that people make it through the beginning of teaching is generally the belief that they hopefully will have a positive effect on people's lives. It's rewarding because you're looking beyond yourself, not because of the benefits/salary you recieve after 20+ years. At least that's the case with the teachers who continue to care.
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Not sure what you're getting at here DC? Seems like a non story to me. I was assuming it was tax money (meant for other things like books, etc) when I read the title but it sounds like corporate partnerships and private donations? Should be encouraging such things IMO.
Even if it was (irresponsible spending), this would be the extreme minority. My mom works in the inner city public school system....if anyone wants to see underfunded, I can arrange a tour.
I was looking at a Chicagoe public school district site......
"School District:
School District Name City Of Chicago 299 School District
This School's Agency ( IL ) District Average
Number of Schools Managed 633 3
Number of Students Managed 432,702 students 907 students
District Total Revenue $4,135,342,000 $8,184,000
District Expenditure $4,345,502,000 $8,197,000
District Revenue / Student $9,557 $7,864
District Expenditure / Student $10,043 $9,159
District Graduation Rates 47% 70% "
District expenditure per student---$10,043....underfunded or mismanaged???
Don't feed the beast...underfunded my ass!
If you ask the school administration, they will say they are underfunded and not mismanaged while account for 60-75% of the cost per student in large urban school districts,
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Teachers have it made compared to most workers - that have to work all year....only get 2 weeks of vacation per year, no retirement. Of a teachers day - from 8 am til 3 or 3:30 pm, they get a lunch and 1 to 2 free periods each day.
Comments like these only come from people who have never done it Arch. If it's that great, go ahead and try. You'll realize that you have no freakin clue.
PS: The reason that people make it through the beginning of teaching is generally the belief that they hopefully will have a positive effect on people's lives. It's rewarding because you're looking beyond yourself, not because of the benefits/salary you recieve after 20+ years. At least that's the case with the teachers who continue to care.
Problem is SOME prospective teachers go into the field because of these perks, 9 months works, state retirement etc. and do NOT give a rats butt about a possible positive influence on someones life! Now the teachers unions, rather than weed these self serving characters out protect them
while they collect the checks and do only what they need to do to be certified!
A good friend (HS principal) retired early as he could hardly stomach some of these phonies!
Having said that, you do need to be a special person to be a "great" teacher
and there are many of them out there!
And I don't see IPods doing anything but distracting and pulling kids furhter away from the family.
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I guess using paper and pens to write down assignments is not "green" enough for the environment. Lets see how much improper school use these iPods get, and how many lose/break them in a school year.
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The school took cash grant money, which presumably could have been spent on any number of things and bought them... Apple didn't GIVE them anything... and if you see parental response around here, NOBODY is getting any good press out of this...
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And when one gets lost, stolen or broken, is the school going to replace it or are the parents going to be on the hook for it? I can see the day when I get a note from my sons middle school that his free iPod Touch is missing and I need to spend $300 to replace it... yea, that would be an interesting conversation.
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To restate my opinion... what the kids get is a free toy and just another chance to get hooked on technology that most of them probably couldn't afford otherwise and for which a $2 notepad and a $.25 pencil will serve the same purpose... what the teachers get is another excuse for the fact that teaching kids to be organized is difficult and takes a lot of work between the teachers and the parents
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And that's exactly it. Show me an underfunded school district, and I can probably show you a superintendant making an easy six figure salary.
They say most private schools run with a 5% administration overhead. Most public schools run with something like a 20% administration overhead ... or more. Why? Well for one, the bureaucracy that comes along with being a government entity. The biggest reason, is that a public school has no incentive to be steamlined. The best way to get money is to put out a poor product, and then ask that tax payers take care of the poor children.
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And I agree with you DC, this is a horrible waste of grant money. They could be spending the same money on classroom computers, or something everybody can use down the road. Instead, they're just giving a free handout to students that the school district will never see again. Wouldn't want to put new computers in the classroom ... it'll just make it harder to beg for money when the next school-bond comes up for a vote. I also loved this part of the article ... Quote:
Wells does not think the electronic devices will be too much of a distraction during classes and after school.
Either she's lying through her teeth, or she's never actually walked around her own school.
Most schools I know want electronic devices outside of calculators banned from the classroom, because they are nothing but a distraction.
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We just had a big whoop-dee-doo here, over the school district spending 64k to send 20 teachers to a conference in Las Vegas. Each got a personal rental car and hotel room for the conference and everything. No one shared, everything was paid for, and when one teacher was asked what the conference was for, his answer was wrong, insinuating he didn't attend any of the conference meetings.
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Teachers have it made compared to most workers - that have to work all year....only get 2 weeks of vacation per year, no retirement. Of a teachers day - from 8 am til 3 or 3:30 pm, they get a lunch and 1 to 2 free periods each day.
Comments like these only come from people who have never done it Arch. If it's that great, go ahead and try. You'll realize that you have no freakin clue.
PS: The reason that people make it through the beginning of teaching is generally the belief that they hopefully will have a positive effect on people's lives. It's rewarding because you're looking beyond yourself, not because of the benefits/salary you recieve after 20+ years. At least that's the case with the teachers who continue to care.
Perhaps I didn't make my point very well.
I get tired of hearing the same old "we need more money for our schools" and "you have no idea how tough teaching is" arguments.
Teaching school is tough? Every job is tough. The more you like it, the easier it is - BUT, every job has its ups and downs, its good and its bad. Why should teaching be any different? Then, factor in the other things I mentioned. Perhaps that will help you to understand my thoughts a bit better.
Very few professions get 3 months off every year, plus a spring break, plus 2 weeks at Christmas, etc etc.
Sure, teachers have a tough job. But so does the guy at the foundry, working 50 weeks a year. So does the car sales person, working 50 to 60 hours a week. So does the guy putting his time in at a retail store, etc etc etc.
Instead of asking me to do it, why not ask the teachers that complain about how tough it is to go do something else. They have that choice, do they not? If they think they are underpaid, or overworked, or both, they should do 2 things: 1. realize that they are no different than 90% of the working adults in this country, and 2. find something else to do.
My mom retired after over 35 years of teaching. I am friends with a number of teachers today, and hang out with several retired teachers. I also help out at school 1-2 hours a day, a couple days a week. I have to hand it to teachers, they (at least the ones I've worked with) deal with the whole spectrum of kids - good to bad. They also like their jobs, and they don't complain about how hard it is, how underpaid they are, etc etc.
They also realize how good they have it, relative to other working people concerning time off, free periods during the day to do work (grading papers, lessen plans, etc). They also realize that is what they signed up for.
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You could probably send a letter to the state telling them you are going send them an extra 30% of your pay every month to help fix the problem.. 
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Yea, they could use that money toward putting a PS3 in every classroom or something equally useful.... hey, maybe a Karoake machine, those are... ummmm... educational.  
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Why not use it to hire stand-ins for the students. That way they can stay home where it is safe. Of course, we probably need to work out a breakfast and lunch delivery system for them then.
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Then we'll need to hire personal trainers for all of them, we can't have them getting fat sitting at home.
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My mom retired after over 35 years of teaching. I am friends with a number of teachers today, and hang out with several retired teachers. I also help out at school 1-2 hours a day, a couple days a week. I have to hand it to teachers, they (at least the ones I've worked with) deal with the whole spectrum of kids - good to bad. They also like their jobs, and they don't complain about how hard it is, how underpaid they are, etc etc.
They also realize how good they have it, relative to other working people concerning time off, free periods during the day to do work (grading papers, lessen plans, etc). They also realize that is what they signed up for.
Well I tried it myself, and I found it to be very difficult and to be one of the most underappreciated jobs out there. I found myself waking up at 615 every morning and doing work until 730-8PM at night. Then losing my Sunday every week to spend the day doing work as well. That's the life of teacher's who start out. Certainly it gets easier as time goes down the road, but it was very tough on me. I never felt more underappreciated for all the effort I was putting into something ever, and then I hear people criticize teachers on the news, etc. like it's something so easy, yet they have no clue because they've never done it.
I do agree that it's what they sign up for, but I sometimes feel like people make it out to be easier than it is. The rewards are great, when you help a kid learn something and watch them grow, it's really special, but at least during the school year it can be a very draining job.
So yeah, I really can't say that teachers have it easy
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Neither does the guy making 20k a year cleaning port-a-potties 
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Try being in the car business
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Understood, but I didn't work my butt off to clean port-a-potties. In the best way of saying it, I have better options out there, or at least I will create them.
I had a lot of trouble dealing with some of the challenges of teaching. They were substantial enough that I know I need a bit of time before I do it. It's not as easy as people think. That's not to say selling cars is easy nor is cleaning a port-a-potty. I just know that teaching isn't what I'm about to do yet, and one of the reasons why is because as hard as I worked, I felt used and underappreciated for the work that I was putting in. It wasn't recognized by the kids, parents, or anyone else.
So for now, I'm going to hold out for something better
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Now I don't know about the lower education world, but in the college world, I can't pick where I want to spend my grant money. I simply send out a grant request with what I specifically want along with a quote. Should somebody out there wish to fund my grant, I can then proceed to obtain said item.
If for some reason prices have changed or a product has been discontinued and needs a substitute, I need to formally write a request to the administration explaining the situation. They then review this request and see if it is viable. If it is, it is then forwarded to the person or entity that is funding my grant for approval.
If their grant funding is anything similar, then this grant was put out for this specific purpose and the funding could not have been used for anything else but this because someone out there in the world felt it was worthwhile.
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Try being in the car business
I was going to say that doesn't seem very early. I woke up at 4:45 every day for years, was in by 6 and routinely worked on Saturdays 4-5 hours prepping for the upcoming week.
But then I could steal a few hours in the afternoon, (even more the last 4-5 years), could schedule Friday afternoons off to hit the club low-ball, and got paid more than a teacher does.
The problem with education is two fold.
First on the list is students and parents....they just don't care as much anymore.
Second is teaching went from a calling to a profession. Teachers went from women with a true passion, knowing they weren't going to make great money, but good money for women at the time, to people getting in to the job for the wrong reasons.
I am not saying teachers shouldn't make good money, but due to the nature of the business, it is never going to be something where people can make really solid money.
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Teaching is a job of fringes...at least it was...summers off...decent pension
add job security, location flexibility, and a host of other things...
To add to what others have said, I don't think teaching is "easy"... I do think it is something that has a bit of a learning curve and should get a little easier once you've done it a couple years and developed a system and figured out for yourself what works and what doesn't...
As for the pay, I dropped my son off at middle school this morning and to drop him off I had to drive a loop around the teachers parking lot... It wasn't BMW's and Cadillacs, but it was full of pretty darn nice cars, most of them less than 3 years old, on the high end there was a brand new Land Cruiser, a pretty new Acura, a new convertible Mustang... some other SUVs and a whole host of nice Honda Accords and Nissan Maxima type vehicles... granted, some of these teachers probably have a spouse that makes more money, but in general, it looked like every other office building parking lot.... it wasn't full of 8 year old beater cars of the impoverished teachers...
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Well yeah ... they probably have $100k in debt like most free spending Americans.
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