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Link Wonder if Hubbard will make it back tot he PS?
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WTF???
Make a freakin' decision and stick with it for crying out loud. This just proves everyone's assumption that Hubbard was being kept for his potential only. This also could mean one of two other things ... Edwards will be limited in the game ... or our #3 or #4 guy is expected to get some work. And this shows they didn't want Hubbard in either of those roles.
I, for one, am happy with this move.
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So this means we kept Sanders over Wilson that is a bit surprising.
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That's not surprising at all.
I thought Sanders was by far the best WR of the group. As of today.
He's not an explosive, dynamic guy but he runs solid routes, catches the ball and can be depended on.
Wilson can't catch.
Hubbard can't do much of anything right now.
Exposing Hubbard is a BIG risk. You might lose a guy with really high potential and it's a guy that we spent 2 picks on: one in 08 and one in 09.
And if this was going to happen why the flip-flop. Hubbard must have been awful in practice.
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By the way. If I was Jerry Jones he would be on my personal jet to immediately join the thin WR corps and give up the entire goods on the Browns gameplan.
In fact I'd be surprised if this doesn't happen.
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That's not surprising at all.
I thought Sanders was by far the best WR of the group. As of today.
He's not an explosive, dynamic guy but he runs solid routes, catches the ball and can be depended on.
Wilson can't catch.
Hubbard can't do much of anything right now.
Exposing Hubbard is a BIG risk. You might lose a guy with really high potential and it's a guy that we spent 2 picks on: one in 08 and one in 09.
And if this was going to happen why the flip-flop. Hubbard must have been awful in practice.
We traded 1 pick for Hubbard, not 2. We traded an 09 5th for an 08 6th and took Hubbard with that 6th.
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Either something happened behind the scenes at practice or off field issue, OR this was planned fromt he beginning, they made this swap the day before season openners leaving teams with other things to think about instead of looking at scooping him up. now they can try to sneak him on the PS after he clears waivers.
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I don't know why we kept Hubbard in the first place...except to save face for the way we aquired him.
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Hell Sanders deserved the roster spot, he earned it. PS is the perfect place for Hubbard to develop his skills. The kid has major upside but he simply isnt close yet.
I believe Sanders can contribute to this team now. He along with Winslow are the only 2 that are willing to go across the middle and make the tough catch knowing they are gonna get clobbered.
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Well hopefully we sign Hubbard onto the PSquad...we kept him on the 53 for a reason.
the Sanders move makes sense. Cribbs is probably out and Steptoe is still nursing an injury...he healed enough to take over the return duties but we would rather use him sparingly....We need a #3 WR - so Sanders is in. Practice squad with a now vet like Sanders is to have him ready for some use of need just like now.
Will he stay on after Cribbs gets healthy?
Also it was made quite clear that we fear stamina issues with BE, It is in those cases that injuries occur at a higher rate...so we plan on giving BE a rest here n there. He hasn't really ran in 3 weeks...and with the cut and fear of Staph infection I'm not sure if he was allowed to go into the Pool (his use of conditioning to avoid wear and tear on the legs).
I liked Sanders...was surprise that Wilson was let go as I thought he won a spot the last game. But was even more surprised that it wasn't Sanders who beat him out.
Sanders is not fast but has good hands and uses his body well sitting in the zone.
Glad to have him back on board.
JMHO...also we might have gotten wind of somebody looking to steal him off our PSquad...I'm telling you Savage has a spy in the Baltimore FO 
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Well, JJ isn't all that fast, but he does all the right things as a 3rd down receiver. Maybe that's what we see in Sanders, too.
Get 2 yards past the 1st down marker, find the open spot, and catch the ball.
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Sanders deserves it!!! I'm glad he is on the team. I think he could be our #2 WR. He has good size, and he also has pretty nice hands.
I likes!! I likes!!
Hubbard will go to PS, and no one will mess w/ him.
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What in the hell??? Are they having second thoughts? Or did they think they could place him on waivers easily this time around then at the end of preseason?
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Sanders deserves it!!! I'm glad he is on the team. I think he could be our #2 WR.
He's a #4 or #5 at best. Nothing to get too excited about here. Hopefully, Hubbard will stick with the PS this season so we can continue to develop him next year.
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All some guys need is opportunity. I was thinking the other day how a guy like Jerry Rice would be looked upon in today's NFL. Unless you have something that really stands out from a physical standpoint, its hard to get a shot.
Running great routes blah its not exciting. Catching the ball blah thats what they are paid to do.
Now if they are fast and cant catch a cold its called upside. If he is 6-5 and can jump but cant run a route its called upside.
run solid routes, show great hands and a willingness to go over the middle but if u dont have some flash you arent likely to even get noticed.
Sanders on the roster is the first time in a long time where I think we might have actually gone for substance over the video game mentality.
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He produces. I have always liked Sanders since we FIRST picked him up a few years ago. I always thought he deserved a chance.
I think he could be our #2.
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He produces. I have always liked Sanders since we FIRST picked him up a few years ago. I always thought he deserved a chance.
I think he could be our #2.
No. He will not be our #2 as long as Donte is still here.
Right now, the best I could see for him right now is slot.
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I think it was planned. Like someone else said most teams now have their 53 man set so by waiving him now he may sneak thru so Phil can sign him to the PS. He probably told Steve to stick around.
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My guess is that we "knew" or assumed that no one else would try to sign Sanders, but someone might take a shot at Hubbard (higher draft choice, blah, blah, blah). So we wait a couple days for rosters to stabilize then send Hubbard through waivers.
Going into a game night, we hope Hubbard clears and stash him on the PS while Sanders (the better WR right now IMO) get moved up "to the big club" to help out Sunday (potentially).
At least that was my initial reaction when I saw this news...
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O 4real??? Dante is #2??
Even if he weren't, Sanders has no shot at being #2.
So you're wrong.
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Sanders on the roster is the first time in a long time where I think we might have actually gone for substance over the video game mentality.
... or perhaps, it's merely a recognition that we are a little thin at WR right now and we need to bolster the roster with a guy who isn't hurt and might be able to help out a little in 4 and, perhaps, 3-wide sets.
Look, I don't have anything against Sanders at all. I just don't share the opinion of some around here that he's anything more than a depth player in this league (if that). There are reasons he was cut before last season started (and then again this summer). I would venture a guess that those same reasons would explain why nobody picked him up all last season. In fact, I would argue that there is a decent chance he'll be cut again once everybody is healthy.
Obviously, I hope he lights it up if/when he sees the field. However, based on what I've seen of him, my expectations for him are low.
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This is what I've been saying (link in earlier post)
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I think this was a planned move... Kept Hubbard on the roster b/c they were worried Cin or Philly would scoop him up if he didn't make the 53... They probably wanted to wait until every team was set so they could put him on the PS when he (likely) clears waivers.
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I think this was a planned move... Kept Hubbard on the roster b/c they were worried Cin or Philly would scoop him up if he didn't make the 53... They probably wanted to wait until every team was set so they could put him on the PS when he (likely) clears waivers.
It doesn't matter if he clears waivers or not. Any team can sign any player off any other team's practice squad whenever they want.
So, it's not like he's being protected in any way. If a team wants him, they'll just sign him off our practice squad.
There's got to be more to this story. The first thing I thought was that he got busted for something, drugs, steroids, whatever. We'll know if he ends up on the practice squad or not.
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It doesn't matter if he clears waivers or not. Any team can sign any player off any other team's practice squad whenever they want.
So, it's not like he's being protected in any way. If a team wants him, they'll just sign him off our practice squad.
Sort of. If we'd cut him outright, he could've been signed to another team's practice squad. If he clears waivers and we add him to our practice squad, then a team who might claim him from our PS would have to add him to their 53 man roster.
Either way, I'll take Sanders over Hubbard just about any day of the week. Good luck to both of them, whatever happens.
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Yes they can sign him... But I don't think they can sign him to their PS, they have to add him to their active roster, Right?
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It doesn't matter if he clears waivers or not. Any team can sign any player off any other team's practice squad whenever they want.
So, it's not like he's being protected in any way. If a team wants him, they'll just sign him off our practice squad.
Sort of. If we'd cut him outright, he could've been signed to another team's practice squad. If he clears waivers and we add him to our practice squad, then a team who might claim him from our PS would have to add him to their 53 man roster.
Either way, I'll take Sanders over Hubbard just about any day of the week. Good luck to both of them, whatever happens.
Im wondering if teams can offer FAs, that were just cut due to teams making the final cuts for the 53 man roster, a signing bonus to play on their PS. I know that PS players can only make so much, but say you offer them a signing bonus (which would count against the cap), then that would be a deciding factor on which team an PS eligible FA would sign with that has multiple suitors. Kind of like when teams offer UDFAs a signing bonus who has multiple suitors.
But, Im pretty sure a team can still add him to their PS because the Browns have to wait for him to clear waivers to add him to their PS. The fact that Savage doesnt have someone signed almost immediately shows me that he is hoping Hubbard does clear waivers. Usually when Savage makes a move, not related to injury, he has the vacated spot filled. Ive seen other teams leave a vacated PS spot open or a 53 man roster spot open for a couple of days. Like when the Steerers had an open spot when they traded Mahan.
I can still see a team taking Hubbard at some point of the season, even if hes on our PS. Im sure a division rival would love to take a look at a WR the Browns used 2 draft picks to get. The Browns have been double dipping division rivals almost every year besides this past offseason. Whether it be FA or waivers ,Roye; Anderson; Dinkens; Steinbach; Zastidul; Shaun Smith; Lewis; Baxter; Orien Harris; Colclough(spelling); that big white RB that Pittsburgh had that was from a local college (didnt last long and I think he was old when he finally left college, think it was Mount Union); Bart Scott took an offer befor canceling his visit to Cleveland; Chester Taylor but the offer was matched by Baltimore.
Pittsburgh and Cincy are an injury away from taking a look at a tall, ahletic WR. Baltimore can use one now. Think Ozzie might want to take a crack at Savage and beat him at his own game? Ozzie wanted to keep Anderson who was cut like Hubbard.He waived Anderson, hoping to clear waivers and picked up Kordell Stewert because Billick wanted a vet backup until the top 2 were healthy again.
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Im wondering if teams can offer FAs, that were just cut due to teams making the final cuts for the 53 man roster, a signing bonus to play on their PS.
2 things.....if they are a FA then they usually have an accrued season which makes them ineligible for the PS. And if they are available and eligible for the PS, they would more than likely jump at the shot of being on a PS instead of bagging groceries so I don't understand your thought process here?
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Im sure a division rival would love to take a look at a WR the Browns used 2 draft picks to get.
Hubbard was the 191st player taken in the draft in the 6th round and receivers of this caliber are a dime a dozen. Why oh why do people get these attachments to players who have not done anything????? 
They made the move for a reason, and I'm glad they aren't fearful of making moves such as this.
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It's nice to see the local kid get a chance to start for us in a Home Opener... other than that, I'm not sure how much this really means.... if anything at all.
Let's face it, as a WR, he is at the bottom of our barrel, so if we're counting on him that means we've got plenty of other issues that we should be concerned with and are probably beyond saving.
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I can still see a team taking Hubbard at some point of the season, even if hes on our PS. Im sure a division rival would love to take a look at a WR the Browns used 2 draft picks to get
What's that got to do with anything???
Hubbard's a MAJOR project at this point...Nothing has happened in the last week to our receiving core that would dictate we needed a change...This was without doubt a planned move...And keeping Hubbard "Safe" was probably the mind-set...
There's "Hubbards" all over the league...And not just receivers...Teams MOST times...Especially prior to week 1...WILL NOT pick apart another teams PS to add a player simply because they MUST put said player on the 53 man roster...That's a WASTED spot when u use it on a RAW player such as Hubbard...And he is RAW...
For whatever reason this happened when it did...Hubbard will be on our PS by Monday...
About 10 games into the season u MIGHT see us make the move and bring him to the Active 53...Another "Protection" move...It would have to be from injury or a Sanders stinkin' up the joint tho...And I doubt that happens since Jurevicious should be back by then...
Teams just don't waste roster spots on "Projects"...
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Good move, good timing, I´m sure Chandler had something to do with this...let´s see how long we can keep him on the PS...still think it was a horrible draft day trade and pick...
looking at BAL-drafts and ours since being Browns GM it looks more and more like WR isn´t Savage´s strength....he likes to pick potential over actual production at WR, something I never understood and probably never will...now: I know, I know he picked Braylon...BUT: it was the 3rd overall and it was a major risk...he was known to be a diva (and he was a headcase in CLE and still has the potential to be imho) and to have concentration issues (even last year he lead the league in drops and do you remember how many TO he cost us because he didnt know where to line up? Or what about not reading the blitz in the all important Cincy-game? I have not forgotten THAT side of BE)
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WOW,, to read this thread,, you'd think that suddenly, RAC and Savage got stupid... I'm not sure I've seen this much second guessing in a long time..
Good lord, it's a bottom of the roster move.. who cares!
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But, Im pretty sure a team can still add him to their PS because the Browns have to wait for him to clear waivers to add him to their PS.
Right, if a team picks up up now they can put him on their practice squad. If he clears waivers and we put him on our practice squad, any team that might claim him would have to put him their 53 man roster.
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Add he could choose to NOT accept the other team's offer of going to THEIR practice squad if he expects/knows that we will add him to OUR practice squad...I think.
He could probably decline the offer to go to another team's 53...but that would be really stupid.
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Savage is probably hoping on the eve of the opening week. That the timing was better then last week to pass Hubbard threw waivers.
After teams have had the time to tweak their rosters from last weeks cuts.
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Phil worked with Ozzie to get capable WRs in late rounds with no success while at Baltimore.
I like Steve and he fits. If we get to the point where Sanders is in every down then we are in trouble anyway.
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