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when are we going to get serious about this season.. Rac and Phil have to realize that are pass rush is weak just like last year and our DB's well their play speaks for itself... this is my opinion, but i am sure you all are thinking that if we play like that against the steelers... our season should be focused on the wild card playoff spot if anything... The defensive line showed promise but our LB's were absent in the pass rush... you got wimbley going after shoelaces and DQ 10 yds down field lost with AD.. and the DB's are young and very inexperienced.. we may have talent but the coaching is sub par..... on the radio! people are saying that RAC is not a leader he may have 5 Superbowl rings but he is better suited as an assistant and he LACKS emotion on the sideline. They say he tears into them behind closed doors, but you make more of a statement calling someone out in front of their peers... and in front of fans... show some heart RAC... This is how i feel.. as a frustrated fan... How do you guys feel about this?  
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Tearing into anybody in front of the public is a complete no-no. You're smoking dope on that one.
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Then how did it work for Bill Cowher ? he earned respect around the league for his grabbing of the face masks and screaming until spit was flying out.. I think alot of us would take him (a former Brown) than RAC... 
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Hey these are my opinions... Jim Tressel just recently had a player arrested for some off the field activities involving a car?? He let the player dress and stand on the sidelines because that hurt him more being around his peers dressed than it would if he was in street clothes knowing he would not play... I am not saying to tear a players head off...
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Vince Lombardi, Paul Brown, Tom Landry, Chuck Knoll....want me to go on? I'd take ALL of them over the Chin. Cowher wasn't always admired for his techniques by everyone. He was also ridiculed for them. That kind of thing should go on behind the locker room door, not for the public to see, and it does with RAC. Just because he doesn't do it for the cameras doesn't mean it isn't done.
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THE POINT ABOUT RAC HAS BEEN NOTED now lets talk about the title DEFENSE!!! 
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THE POINT ABOUT RAC HAS BEEN NOTED now lets talk about the title DEFENSE!!!
Okay.
The Defense lacks talent at Linebacker and we cannot pressure the QB. We might be able to stuff the run against average teams, or I should say average o-lines, but not much.
Not much else to say.
you had a good run Hank.
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Just throwing this out there, don't think I'm dead set on this or anything.
One of the things we're SORELY lacking on D is pure speed. We have none.
Would we be willing to trade experience for speed? By that I mean putting in Hall over McGinest. Apparently the kid can cover better than the coaching staff expected, and in terms of rushing the passer, apparently the coaching staff thinks him and Wimbley meet at the QB in unison.
I think McGinest is a liability in coverage now. I'm aware he still has instincts, but when you lose your speed and that's a big part of your game, it hurts. I understand how raw Hall is, but he's passed every test he's been given with flying colors.
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That may or may not be a bad idea, I dunno. But I noticed the announcers talking about the Cowbodys' speed on defence.... they sure as hell didn't talk about ours that way. 
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That may or may not be a bad idea, I dunno. But I noticed the announcers talking about the Cowbodys' speed on defence.... they sure as hell didn't talk about ours that way.
One of Terry Pluto's notebook scribbles was about how slow our D looked.
I wonder how difficult the transition from OLB to ILB would be as well. It would probably put too much on his plate to try that even, but versatility matters, and I haven't been too impressed with DQ or Dra in coverage.
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I have a hard time believing our D players are that much worse than everyone else in the NFL. Many of these guys would have picked by a different team, if not ours.
They may not be the most talented, and they may not be the fastest, but you can probably find a dozen more teams like that in the NFL. Funny thing, though, is they won't play as bad as us.
I agree that there are no playmakers on this D because regardless of coaching or scheme, playmakers are going to make plays. But when is this staff going to be taken to task? Seriously, where is the brain power on this staff? Why, after 3 years under RAC, do we still have press conferences where his answer to a question is "we were out of position?". Well, who's freaking job is it to make sure they are in position?
I'm tired of this same crap year after year. This staff has no clue. The brain power is close to 0. They don't motivate. They don't inspire. How many times in the last 3 years have we made the proclamation that they looked unprepared? That is an indictment on the coaching staff and RAC personally.
How come the team does not look or play with confidence? Why were the announcers - after talking with players - say they got the feeling that Cleveland didn't think they could compete. Where the hell does a feeling like that come from? These guys are professionals, yet have no confidence ... because their coach doesn't have any in them.
We are going to get our arses handed to us on a silver platter this Sunday. Things will not be good in Browns Town on Monday. Lerner is not a happy camper, I can guarantee you that.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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This scheme makes the defensive players look bad.
Shaun Rodgers is one heck of a player and so is Robaire and Corey. So the line looks pretty good.
Jones is another Polamalu type of safety. Great run support, great when asked to blitz coverage is lacking. Pool has improved but can be upgraded.
These two young corners are solid players.
Linebackers hmm Wimbley isnt without talent, he gets his chops busted around here but when u are the only guy that ever blitzes and blitzes from the same spot it gets hard.
Dra isnt great but he is serviceable. DQ has the talent but so far no bang for buck. McGinnest well he flat out sucks but thats for another story.
The problem isnt personel when we got the same results with guys that are no longer even freaking playing in this league. Give Rex Ryan or Dick Lebeau our defense cast and I guarandamntee we wont be bottom 3 in this league which is the Romeo path we are on once again.
Aggression is simply missing. Bring up 7 guys to the line blitz whoever u want drop a couple back into coverage if u like. this way teams have to make the right call if they dont QB or RB is hurting. I dont get it and apparently RAC doesnt either.
Romeo could be a great HC with Chud calling the O, someone not a yes man for RAC running a good scheme and Savage making personel decisions, and someone making the decisions on challenges, and letting someone handle time management, then u need someone to handle press conferences since he tends to sound like an idiot doing those. Hmm I am sure if we think hard enough we can find one good reason why he is still HC.
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This is how i feel.. as a frustrated fan...
How do you guys feel about this?
How do i feel about this .. that u are FRUSTRATED as U said .. cause that is all U can be to be spewing this after 1 frickin game against one of the top two O's in the league before Sunday and now clearly the top O in the league ..
Gimme a BREAK .. U ALL NEED TO RELAX .. Dallas is LOADED ON O and i mean LOADED and U all act like like the season is over and the sky is falling .. U wanna be concerned .. look at the O .. cause Dallas's d is nuttin special ..
Look at there O dude ..
OL ... MAULERS all the way across .. what is there 2 or 3 pro bowlers on that line .. top 3 OL in football right now ..
Top 3 WR in Owens ..
Top 3 TE in Witten ...
very good RB in Barber ...
very good QB in Romo ..
WTF .. there a DAMM GOOD TEAM ON O .. and U wanna come with this .... it has to be FRUSTRATION ... HAS TO BE ...
if they stay healthy ... i will GAURANTEE this is BELOW THERE SEASON AVERAGE IN PTS SCORED ....
Gimme a break .. get real ...
and all the RAC haters ..... PLEASE ..
no clue if hes going to be good or not but to be this hard on him is just ASSININE ..
and Mourg .. if U think DQ is better than Willie you've lost your mind .. that kid is WORSE THAN DRA and U know what I think of Dra .. someone said that DQ was out there somewhere lost with Dra and that made me LMAO ... but unfortunately it really isn't funny cause its TRUE ... he does NOTHING GOOD ... NOTHING ...
Talent my ASS ... and his INSTINCTS are NON-EXISTENT ..
we have some problems on D there is no doubt ... and they start with TALENT AT LBER ... that is Opie and not RAC so if U dolts wanna place blame go ahead and point the finger where it belongs .. cause it sure isn't RAC's fault .. and IMO it isn't Opies .. U can only fix so many tihngs at once ... where hes put REAL ASSETS he has really turned the groups around .. at LBer hes really only made one significant investment with Wimbley .. and then a mid level investment on DQ ... who is going to be a HUGE BUST .. he has no clue and no size and does NOTHING WELL .. no clue what Opie saw in him ...
anyhow U get what u pay for .. and we ain't paid much for our LBer's ..
PS. things will get better ... we play Baltimore and Cinci twice and there O;s STINK .... 
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Wow whuda thunk it, Diam comes out of the blue with a breath of fresh air. Everybody's blasting the D, but the O only put up 10 pts. 1 for 6 on third and short. And some of you are wondering why we didn't go for it on fourth down either time There have been several people that said DA had a good game ... yes, I know BE didn't have his head in the game on a few catches. No excuses for the deep ball he short-armed, I don't care if the sun was in his eyes, that's what visors are for. However, some of the throws that DA made, left me wondering where in the world he was throwing to. I know BE is getting blasted for the sideline throw that DA audibled to. DA didn't help him out much by rifling that throw over his head, BE barely got his hands on that. And the 3rd and 1 at the beginning of the 3rd. Where is the heck was he throwing that ball, it went half way to the front row? Also, he threw behind Steptoe on a pass over the middle that got him blasted by Hamlin. Someone in the gameday thread complained about Steptoe dropping the pass. How anyone could expect him to hold onto that ball is beyond me. That being said, it was the gameplan on D that fell apart not the players. Besides the deep ball to Owens, our young secondary played pretty darn good against one of the better passing teams in the league. You can't expect DB's to cover a WR for 7-10 seconds. I've never seen a 3-4 D rush 3 guys so often in a game before. When we brought guys and it wasn't telegraphed we got pressure  Willie was the one that caused the INT by Wright. I had to LOL at Aikman's comment about Willie saying "welcome to the NFL" to Felix. Whimbley, Willie, and Robaire(?) played meet me at the QB on one of the plays that B Mac got flagged for. And on that note, it looked to me that TO played into those penalties. TO saw that B Mac was getting rough with him kinda high on the shoulder pads, so a couple of times he seemed to dip his facemack down to his shoulder pads and B Mac got called for hands to the face. DQ was pretty bad in this game. Barber humiliated him when he decided to stand in the hole at the goaline and try to tackle Barber as he was passing. I thought Dra had a pretty good game. He was filling holes pretty well. The DL did pretty much everything that could be asked of them. Rogers got pressure a couple of times. Would of had a sack that had he not been held. All in all, the D has to send SOMEBODY other than the 3 DL, and when you do blitz, for God's sake don't telegraph it. The O has to run more smoothly. Most of it I can attribute to rust, Donte' wasn't in there, and our #1's at the skill postions haven't had a lot of time together so far. When it comes down to it. We got beat pretty bad, by one of the best teams in the league. But this time it wasn't because we didn't have the talent. We just didn't execute. I'd rather have a talented team not execute and lose than a bad team execute perfectly and still lose. This will probably be the worst game these guys play all year. Got the bad one out of the way!!! Now go smack the snot out of Pit, 15-1 until proven otherwise!!  Go Browns!!!
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IMO......It's scheme first, and talent close second.
This DL is good, actually pretty good...give Savage props for getting quality 3-4 linemen. Unfortunatley we dont play a 3-4...we run a half baked 5-2 / 4-3/ 3-4.
Case in point: Watch where Robaire Smith and Corey Williams line up, versus Beisel and Aaron Smith. The whole point of a 3-4 is to disguise the 4th rusher, and to possibly get guys unblocked. It also makes it easier to blitz.
When we blitz, essentially we just run LB's and safeties into the OL.....very effective! We dont dont overload the A gap..EVER...or overload blitz the weakside...EVER. The other thing that just kills us is how early we show our blitz and how obvious it is whos coming.
Watching the Bills on sunday, I was impressed how the whole front seven was just standing up until 2 seconds before the snap, sometimes 9 guys were at the LOS. The Seahawks had no clue how many, or who was coming.
Anyway, obviously we need LB help. But more importantly we need a totally new scheme. Either tweak it right, or throw out the "3-4". Get players that can play the 4-3 because thats closer to what we are doing than a 3-4.
As long as RAC is here, I think we'll see this 3-4 defense, maybe it will get better...it has too!
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I must be crazy. I spent Sunday thinking about how bad last year's opener was. If the 2007 Browns would have met the 2008 Cowboys, well, it would not have been pretty at all. Hey, I just love football and enjoy watching the game unfold. That's always better when "my" team is putting the hurt on someone else. It's not like it's anything in my personal sphere of influence anyway. At least they didn't panic and melt down when they realized they were going to get their butts kicked.
Shoot, you should have seen the fit I threw over the OU-OSU game. My Bobcats will never, ever, get a chance like that again and they blew it.
Yes, I have issues with how bad the team and in particular the defense looked on Sunday. I'm reasonably sure that they can be fixed in time for the Browns to make a run this year. After we see them play against a more "normal" offensive line we'll know what we've got. The Cowboys are loaded and they're going to do what they did to us to quite a few opponents this year. The sky isn't falling yet. It may be after we see how they perform against Pittsburgh.
There's not much we can do about linebackers now. The season is on and we're just going to have to ride that weird and wonderful torpedo that is the Cleveland Browns.
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Dude...chill....if your gonna go crazy over the Browns...you have to wait. One game does not define the season. Several great teams lost to far weaker teams than the Cowboys in week one. Ex: Colts & Bears
A few tweaks here and there and maybe more playing time for Hall and Leon Williams might make a nice improvment.
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This scheme makes the defensive players look bad.
Shaun Rodgers is one heck of a player and so is Robaire and Corey. So the line looks pretty good.
Jones is another Polamalu type of safety. Great run support, great when asked to blitz coverage is lacking. Pool has improved but can be upgraded.
These two young corners are solid players.
Linebackers hmm Wimbley isnt without talent, he gets his chops busted around here but when u are the only guy that ever blitzes and blitzes from the same spot it gets hard.
Dra isnt great but he is serviceable. DQ has the talent but so far no bang for buck. McGinnest well he flat out sucks but thats for another story.
The problem isnt personel when we got the same results with guys that are no longer even freaking playing in this league. Give Rex Ryan or Dick Lebeau our defense cast and I guarandamntee we wont be bottom 3 in this league which is the Romeo path we are on once again.
Aggression is simply missing. Bring up 7 guys to the line blitz whoever u want drop a couple back into coverage if u like. this way teams have to make the right call if they dont QB or RB is hurting. I dont get it and apparently RAC doesnt either.
Romeo could be a great HC with Chud calling the O, someone not a yes man for RAC running a good scheme and Savage making personel decisions, and someone making the decisions on challenges, and letting someone handle time management, then u need someone to handle press conferences since he tends to sound like an idiot doing those. Hmm I am sure if we think hard enough we can find one good reason why he is still HC.
this was my biggest problem with the staff...sure its nice to be able to promote from within..but from a secondary coach to a DC..gmab..i wanted to try to find an experienced DC..especially in the 3-4 so RAC had more time to manage and don't have to spend so much time on the def. gameplan..i like tucker..i just don't think he is a very good DC..and how much can RAC do at once..kinda seems like setting RAC up for failure
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I like the 3-4...I just don't like the way it is run.
Romeo has his Mo running it now..No wonder Grantham didn't get along with the guy....our head coach quit on the game with 10 minutes to go hoping Dallas got the signal and didn't run up the score.
The guy was covering his butt rather than trying to win.
If you wouldn't do it in a Super Bowl, why do it in the regular season??
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REALLY good point,...I though Grantham was the real deal. Always wondered about that.
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I like the 3-4...I just don't like the way it is run.
Romeo has his Mo running it now..No wonder Grantham didn't get along with the guy....our head coach quit on the game with 10 minutes to go hoping Dallas got the signal and didn't run up the score.
I love the 3-4 too, but we aren't running a true 3-4. Its more of a 5-2 than a 3-4. Thats the whole problem with RAC's version of the "3-4"...its not a 3-4. When you have 3-4 players running a hybrid 4-3/5-2 you get the garbage we have seen.
I too loved Grantham, I think he had the players respect and a solid grasp of a real 3-4 defense, but RAC wanted the 3-4 ran his way. After RAC "took over the defense" it got worse not better. Tuck is RAC's puppet. We see the same scheme as the last 2 years....no matter who we get as DC, its still gonna be RAC defense or the highway. My biggest beef with RAC is his stubborness in always wanting "his players" and "his coaches" and "his way" rather than adjusting by playingthe best players and getting the best coaches regardless if they are your buddies.
I'm not sold at all that this defensive scheme will work, no matter who our players are.
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Preaching to the Choir. I dont think most are defending RAC because of his brilliance, its more of simply not wanting to make another change at HC. I was bashing the hiring of Crennel so I have no problem dumping the guy.
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Most of us who defend RAC recognize the job he did last season (coming off a dismal 4-12 season and an absolute debacle in Week 1) in getting this team to 10-6 and within a cat's wisker of making the playoffs. Given that improbable success, I'm not willing to throw the guy under the bus after one lousy game in 2008. Clearly he's capable of getting his guys to play hard for him. Can we at least wait until the Bye Week before we start making idiotic statements like "I have no problem dumping the guy?" Sheesh... 
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Dude...chill....if your gonna go crazy over the Browns...you have to wait. One game does not define the season. Several great teams lost to far weaker teams than the Cowboys in week one. Ex: Colts & Bears
A few tweaks here and there and maybe more playing time for Hall and Leon Williams might make a nice improvment.
If we get killed this week then you can go crazy, everybody else will.
I was borderline furious that Hall got no playing time after playing above and beyond the call this preseason. Especially when we need more speed on the field. Willie's lack of speed truly showed. Hell, Antwan Peek would have played had his knee not been blown half to hell this week. So why not play the guy behind him who arguably earned his chance by playing solidly with the first unit?
If the guy has this "amazing cover ability" for a rookie and can rush the passer as well as Wimbley (this according to the Peter King article), you play him. Simple as that.
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Your LB assesment isn't quite true.
1 high #1,1 high #2,2 4ths,a 6th and a 7th.
That is a major investment in a single group,with very little to show for it.
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Your LB assesment isn't quite true.
1 high #1,1 high #2,2 4ths,a 6th and a 7th.
That is a major investment in a single group,with very little to show for it.
Thing is, I really think Savage wanted Demeco Ryans. He said "Once Ryans went off the board we had to do something to make sure we didn't miss out on linebackers because we had a feeling there would be a run on them."
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Ammo, RAC is not gonna give Hall the job, you know that. Willie is his guy, his player, its almost creepy. Hall is probably the better player in every way right now, Willie is more disciplined. Of course thats a moot point if you dont make plays. Willie has a job for life here sadly.
We need Hall badly this week against Worthlessberger and Parker, speed is essential this week.Willie and Dra just kill our defensive speed. Pit's OL isnt as good as Dallas, with Hall in there, never know.
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If we had Demeco Ryans, AJ Hawk, Demarcus Ware and Shawn Merriman we would be discussing how bad those investments were and wondering why cant they make plays.
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Point is we didnt make the playoffs despite having the easiest schedule in football, with one of the best offenses in football. The only thing romeo did right last year was stay out of Chud's way.
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Ammo, RAC is not gonna give Hall the job, you know that. Willie is his guy, his player, its almost creepy. Hall is probably the better player in every way right now, Willie is more disciplined. Of course thats a moot point if you dont make plays. Willie has a job for life here sadly.
We need Hall badly this week against Worthlessberger and Parker, speed is essential this week.Willie and Dra just kill our defensive speed. Pit's OL isnt as good as Dallas, with Hall in there, never know.
I totally agree, I've been harping on this for weeks ever since I saw that Hall could really play.
Roethlisberger can outrun Wimbley and McGinest. He can't outrun Wimbley and Hall. That extra bit of speed on the field is SO critical for this game due to his ability to get outside the pocket, especially to McGinest's side.
Ben probably has Willie's closing speed timed up in his head, knowing that he's not that fast. Why not put an "Oh crap!" in his head when he rolls out and Hall is charging at him with serious speed? This is assuming he can get off his block, of course. But I'd have to imagine the tackle (Willie Colon, who sucks) would eventually be forced to disengage or else draw a holding penalty.
Experience for speed, is it an even tradeoff if the player with speed has shown he can play pretty well against starters?
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IMO, you're overrating speed. yea you need speed off the edge and it's definitely a good thing to have but i think there's a bigger problem among the linebacker core. it's attitude. there isn't any.
RAC is a technician. he wants people to do their job and not mess up. that's fine and i don't have a problem with that BUT, look at the top defenses and you see that they have that one guy that is fearless and at times, reckless. that attitude and toughness breeds confidence. look at a ray lewis or even a jerry porter. as much as i hate porter, you know he could always be counted on to get his team fired up. we just don't have that. even our best pass-rusher appears to be timid as his strength is running around people, not going through them.
speed is good but we need some attitude on this defense. we're not gonna get it from shaun rogers either. he doesn't want the attention/spot light. we need a linebacker who is just mean.
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you're overrating speed. yea you need speed off the edge
NO its not overated coming off the edge as you point out...there for Hall has to get the majority of reps. Willie cant get off the LOS and get penetration.
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He doesn't look like he's GMGoodwrench certified.
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look at a ray lewis or even a jerry porter. as much as i hate porter, you know he could always be counted on to get his team fired up. we just don't have that. even our best pass-rusher appears to be timid as his strength is running around people, not going through them.
speed is good but we need some attitude on this defense. we're not gonna get it from shaun rogers either. he doesn't want the attention/spot light. we need a linebacker who is just mean.
Who is Jerry Porter?
We need someone who is just mean? 
Yeah meaness is good, but if being mean is the thing your looking for in a LB lets just go get cons out of jail and put them and some martial arts dudes out there.
Speed is something missing from our D, so right now its not overated.
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you can jump on my post all you want but i'm not wrong. going all reductio ab adsurdum doesn't prove a point and just shows limited understanding.
i wasn't even arguing a mcginnest vs hall point, which you inferred. if you were to ask me though, mcg was only supposed to be in run support and peek/hall was supposed to be in passing downs. i don't remember if that happened but my guess is hall didn't get many opportunities since rac values experience and he certainly wouldn't throw a 7th round rookie in when we're behind 21-7, who might give up a big play.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Anytime a team goes from 4-12 to 10-6 (even after getting annihilated by a division foe in Week 1), the HC is doing a hell of a lot more right than "getting out of the way" of his OC. All I am saying is let's see how the team rebounds after this past week before we start calling for RAC's head (again). He kept the team together and got them heading in the right direction after an embarrassing Week 1 once. Let's see if he can do it again. If we're 1-3 or 0-4 come the bye week, then you might have a valid point.
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i don't remember if that happened but my guess is hall didn't get many opportunities since rac values experience and he certainly wouldn't throw a 7th round rookie in when we're behind 21-7, who might give up a big play.
The reason RAC thinks Willie is better is defiantly exprience but, when it no longer makes up for speed and strength he becomes a liablilty. Your dead-on saying why RAC didnt want Hall in and why Willie played.
As for the fear of giving a up a big play, everybody on defense gave up a big play Sunday. What can Hall do worse than Willie, whiff on a run play? Miss the QB, get out run to sideline?
RAC still believes in Willie and will continue to play him, unfortunatley RAC is wrong.
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i do agree that mcg lost some steps but i also think you're selling him short. on our red zone int, mcg put the vital pressure that caused romo to lob it up a little more than normal, allowing wright to make the pick.
for our sake, i definitely hope that hall develops quickly but the first nfl game for any rookie is tough, let alone for someone like hall going from a d2 school to playing the dallas cowboys. i actually agree with crennel in this case because, objectively looking at it, you can't expect a 7th round rookie to play better than mcg against a top tier offense just because he might be a little faster/stronger. it's not rational.
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Willie made one play all day and blew up a Felix Jones in his first NFL game. Willie got out ran to sideline several times and failed to cover the flats. He doesnt get pressure anymore.
Hes an awesome guy but he just doesnt make plays anymore. Just cuz Hall's a 7th rounder, that MEANS ZIP. Where your drafted has no bearing on how you will play. A 7th rounder is no more or less ready than a first rounder. Its like people assume since hes a DII 7th rounder he cant do it.
Last year some fans we so happy because willie made our run D better, of course he did, he replaced Peek. Peek sold out every play, he was never brought here to play everydown.
I think pre-season showed Hall can atleast play better than Willie.
But its RAC's call, dunno how to feel about that, based on our defenses track record!
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ok, i think we're done here. yes, a 7th rounder can pan out and a 1st rounder can bust but if you make the argument that 7th rounders can regularly be ready as quickly as 1st rounders, then i can't really argue anything. i think hall can pan out but to expect a 7th rounder to be a 1st game starter or to think he would play better than a veteran is crazy.
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