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Folks need someone to blame, and they'll do anything to get it accomplished. They'll bend stats, play favorites, make assumptions and play fast and loose with the facts in an effort to justify their positions.
Excellant post Clem. 
It's the voice of reason that won't be accepted by the very knee-jerk posters to whom you refer.
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Look at the up side guys, our QB is one of the top 32 QB's in the league! I'd rather he was in the top 15 instead of being a bottom feeder at 29, but he made the list! 
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The part I find ironic is that last year DA was given alot of the credit for our success in the running game ... now this year it is hurting him ... *LOL* ..
its also pretty funny seeing many folks that were riding his jock all off season jumping ship after just two games that DA did not play that bad in .. he hasnlt done anything real good but he hasn't done anything all that horrible yet either ..
the good news is that next week and the week after they will all be back on his jock ..
This is absolutely amazing to me. Those of us not sold on Anderson and were questioning whether he can handle the starting job in the off season are being the most fair to him and being a good bit more patient. From the same people who ripped some of us constantly for our opinions and insisted we were Brady lovers, I'm hearing that he sucks. They can stick it.
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haha, yeah that's true. He hasn't played as bad as a lot of other players on this team.
But 1 TD and 3 FGs in two games don't cut it.
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The Dallas game we gave up on the run because we were getting so far behind, the blame has to against the D on that one.
Pittsburgh is good against the run,..maybe the best. The fact we were'nt throwing the ball well made it even easier for Pitt. On O our passing game is the weak link,until we solve that problem the running game will suffer as well.
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I think RAC has made several bonehead calls in the past few games and we are missing two of our starting receivers. But still, DA is not producing. If you go as far back as the baltimore game last year which would be 9 regular season games ago he has not shown improvement in any aspect of his game. Only in 4 of his last 9 regular season games has he thrown more touchdowns than interceptions. That is just not acceptable in the NFL. If you want to say that the wind and drops were at fault for his inability thats fine, but Ben was playin in the same conditions and with a bum shoulder and didnt make the same throws that DA did. Im not against DA or for Quinn, I just want the browns to win and I hope the front office knows what they are doing and plays the player at ANY position that gives us the best chance to win.
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I think RAC has made several bonehead calls in the past few games and we are missing two of our starting receivers. But still, DA is not producing. If you go as far back as the baltimore game last year which would be 9 regular season games ago he has not shown improvement in any aspect of his game. Only in 4 of his last 9 regular season games has he thrown more touchdowns than interceptions. That is just not acceptable in the NFL. If you want to say that the wind and drops were at fault for his inability thats fine, but Ben was playin in the same conditions and with a bum shoulder and didnt make the same throws that DA did. Im not against DA or for Quinn, I just want the browns to win and I hope the front office knows what they are doing and plays the player at ANY position that gives us the best chance to win.
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Blaming DA for last night is laughable.
Pretending DA's two interceptions didn't lead to the loss is laughable.
So, it's DA's fault that we only rushed for 47 yards on 22 carries? That's 2.1 ypc if anyone cares. The pick at the end of the half cost us three points. Maybe if he reads it better he is able to hit an open reciever in the end zone (if there even was one open) for 7. The other pick didn't do anything to blow sure points, or give the Steelers sure points. Picks are never good, but until I hear more about it I'm not judging it.
BOTH int.'s lead to Pitt. scoring drives.
It just amazes me people blame everybody but DA for the very things he does. Amazing....................
I mean one of them was FIVE YARDS AT LEAST behind the WR. Simply amazing.........................
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It just amazes me people blame everybody but DA for the very things he does. Amazing....................
I mean one of them was FIVE YARDS AT LEAST behind the WR. Simply amazing.........................
Pit.. the first INT was the winds fault... remember?  
I agree with you.. DA needs to step his game up and put his offense in better situations. You have the arm.. USE IT!
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.. " Pit.. the first INT was the winds fault... remember?.. " Nope ; He had very little pressure , but never set up !!!!! His footwork was awful .. He just let it fly . Was totally his fault , bad Mech. 
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BOTH int.'s lead to Pitt. scoring drives.
It just amazes me people blame everybody but DA for the very things he does. Amazing....................
I mean one of them was FIVE YARDS AT LEAST behind the WR. Simply amazing.........................
if you are going to bash. At least have decency to have YOUR facts right.
Can you explain to me how the pick by Polomalu at the end of the half where he was tackled at around the 20 with the clock striking 00:00 for halftime lead directly to one of the two Pittsburgh scores.
The pick hurt and cost the browns points, but don't make facts up to prove your point, because most of the time the REAL facts are enough.
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Actually, living in Dayton, we had no electric. One of the radio announcers stated this in the post game show.  I'll be sure and e-mail him. My bad. Honest mistake on my part.
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Actually, living in Dayton, we had no electric. One of the radio announcers stated this in the post game show.
I'll be sure and e-mail him. My bad. Honest mistake on my part.
Well that explains it. I think the facts thrown around on Radio shows might be the one place that has a greater percentage of facts wrong compared to message boards.
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.. " Pit.. the first INT was the winds fault... remember?.. "
Nope ; He had very little pressure , but never set up !!!!! His footwork was awful .. He just let it fly . Was totally his fault , bad Mech.
It was definitely NOT the wind's fault. We had the wind at our back, if anything the ball should have carried and been overthrown. DA didn't set his feet and laid up a pop fly.
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Yet you felt the need to comment on DA not playing well? Your a real pice of work. I think maybe you should read Diam'e posts. I think he is pretty objective, even if he thinks Quinn's the man. At least he actually watched the game.
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Yet you felt the need to comment on DA not playing well? Your a real pice of work.
I think maybe you should read Diam'e posts. I think he is pretty objective, even if he thinks Quinn's the man. At least he actually watched the game.
Pit doesn't need to see anything to know that DA is not the guy - he'll harp on him endlessly. But, remember pit is unbiased. And also, politically, he's an independent.
Oh, and I'm a millionaire and don't care about earth cause I have a $70,000 Hummer (which in actuality is an H3, which cost me less than the Jeep we were looking at - but don't ask pit about it)
Well, at least pit is unbiased - that much we can puke over.
Now pit, before you go getting all worked up over the facts, remember I put a smiley there.
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Now pit, before you go getting all worked up over the facts, remember I put a smiley there Of course, rippin' a guy then putting a smiley there makes it OK. Anyone who thinks DA is not on the hot seat is nuts or not paying attention. Same with Romeo. Personally, I think that if we keep playing the way we are playing now the only one here now that will be here next year (from the staff and FO) will be Phil Savage.
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Personally, I think that if we keep playing the way we are playing now the only one here now that will be here next year (from the staff and FO) will be Phil Savage.
Some seem to think RAC and Phil are joined at the hip.... Phil will drop him like lightning if he thinks his job is in jepoardy....
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Where the heck you been dub? We could use your common sense around here. 
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It's an impossible task to talk common sense to this crowd of complaining blamers right now. There are several trying very hard to do so but no one wants to listen. Emotions rule opinions and facts be damned.
I'm waiting for a win so everything can go back to normal.
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It's an impossible task to talk common sense to this crowd of complaining blamers right now. There are several trying very hard to do so but no one wants to listen. Emotions rule opinions and facts be damned.
I'm waiting for a win so everything can go back to normal.
You mean when the go the way the wind blows people start posting that we are going to the Super Bowl?
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I know what you mean. But either way, nice to see you back.
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I'm waiting for a win so everything can go back to normal.
With all due repect...us beating the Ravens and Bengals shows us absolutely nothing...nobody is questioning whether this team can beat the tards of the NFL...its whether or not the leadership, attititude, and culture is here to go the playoffs and more.
We already know we can beat the bottom feeders, we did it 9 times last year....we can play status quo, go through to motions and our talent will beat most looser teams.
Just once I'd like to this team rise to the occasion ...and what...beat somebody BETTER than themselves....or maybe overcome something anything...just play over your heads Browns...just once, please.
Than again some don't want anybody held accountable and they have a million excuses to why this team never plays to its ability or above it! Every little adverse thing or problem, or heck any pressure, this team falls apart.
....sure there are some that are off the wagon...but there are alot of people with legit concerns!
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No he won't be replaced or demoted if he has another poor game.
What message does that send to the entire team?
That is not going to happen at any position at this point in the season. Are they going to bench or yank BE? Or the entire LB corps? Or at least a couple 0-lineman?
I'm glad that some of you are just fans and have no say. If not the Browns would be in a very bad way.
You think the Browns would be in a bad way if some of us had our say?
If I had my say from the beginning, we would've traded DA last offseason for a 1st rounder and another pick which I would've used to draft either a top flight corner, linebacker or running back since I felt Lewis was going to be out of gas in a year or so. With the savings from DA's contract, I would've not only signed our picks, I would've had enough money to bring in veteran secondary help but a veteran wideout once Jurevicius went on PUP and Stallworth went down. I can't imagine we'd be doing any worse with Quinn and either way, he'd be getting valuable experience.
Instead, Derek Anderson has been horrible but we can't replace him because we committed to him, we have injuries and can't bring in any legitimate replacements because we're out of money, we don't have any youth behind an aging Jamal Lewis and DA's trade value is falling every week... but hey, Brady does a fantastic job holding a clipboard.
THAT is being in a very bad way.
But hey, keep criticizing those that disagree with you. Hopefully DA comes around to bail out what so far has been a bad decision, not by some fans, but by Savage.
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It's an impossible task to talk common sense to this crowd of complaining blamers right now Why are you trying? It's like trying to tell a road rage motorist that you can't speed up because there's 10 cars ahead of you only doing 65  Seriously the emotions are too rampart now now..
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Just once I'd like to this team rise to the occasion
and JUST ONCE (well actually all the time) I'd like to see the posters on this board use their heads for a change instead of acting like 2 year olds throwing a tantrum ...
JUST ONCE I would like folks to take into account WHY things really may have happend .. a few examples ...
1. We played the BEST O in football in Dallas ...
2. we played a pretty good D in Pitt ...
3. we played both these teams MINUS KEY PLAYERS ...
4. Were still an UP AND COMING TEAM .... were still young .. were still growing ...
but naaaa ... lets just act like 2 year olds and make up BS so we can blame RAC for everything wrong with the browns .. thats much simplier than actually THINKING and using your heads for a change ..
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It's an impossible task to talk common sense to this crowd of complaining blamers right now
Why are you trying?
It's like trying to tell a road rage motorist that you can't speed up because there's 10 cars ahead of you only doing 65
Seriously the emotions are too rampart now now..
Its tough to drive the last few days for sure.....cars behind me are borderline road rage material.....im just trying to survive at this point....
Yet.....there wouldnt be a traffic jam if the cars in front would drive the speed limit....but they can't...
Because its pouring down the rain and yet they won't take off their Brown and Orange sun glasses so they can see to drive properly...
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They don't want to hear it,
They simply aren't having it.
Right now, their mindset is:
Reason + logic = excuses.
In other words: "My mind's already made up. Don't you dare muddy the waters with a bunch of [obvious] facts."
Besides.... it's so much easier to bitch about things they have no control over than to actually think about what may be happening... and why.
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"My mind's already made up. Don't you dare muddy the waters with a bunch of [obvious] facts."
Pot calling the kettle....
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Yet you felt the need to comment on DA not playing well? Your a real pice of work.
Hate to break it to you................
But they showed the two int's on the "lowlights".
They weren't even close!
I'm not blind.
Can't speak for everyone, but I'm not.
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Pit doesn't need to see anything to know that DA is not the guy - he'll harp on him endlessly. But, remember pit is unbiased.
Since this is the "only thing you said" pertaining to football, I'll only address "this".
How many games has DA won against above .500 teams?
Since when are two int's and zero TD's "acceptable"?
You talk a lot of crap, but do not seem to have a firm grasp of the obvious.
Putting me and or my opinions down will not change that.
DA has shown time and time again that in the clutch or against top notch competition, that he crumbles like a Keebler cookie.
Now if you want to waste yet another season "figuring that out", don't be shocked that I do not wish to join you.
He has the OL to produce. But can only produce when he's in a "comfort zone" playig against mediocrity.
Sorry, but I don't need somebody to keep "making excuses" for DA. Aren't you all about "personal responsability"? Accept for DA, right?
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Now that the trench has been dug...some posters are gonna have major egg on their face at some point later this season....somebody will have to admit..."hey, I was was wrong"....I know those that aren't sure that RAC is it ,will step up and admit they were wrong..... The interesting thing will be if RAC is gone and what happens to those who belittled those qith questions as knee-jekers with baseless accusations and so on...blah blah blah...can't blame RAC that the team isn't winning....blah blah. I can see already...if and when RAC is gone...one of two things will happen either we will do better than with RAC: Response: "well, it shows RAC built the team for sucess and his attitude and all he did is finally showing" If we do worse, of course: "RAC wasn't the problem".... Valid argument...and yours is we played a good dallas team and we were POSITION to beat the Steelers.......almost only counts in horse shoes and cornhole! RAC almost made the right decision...its come that now....when I start seeing the words "almost" "we didn't execute" "we were competitive" "we will try harder" "we were in position"...we were until RAC blew it....again..... When I see those wors come out.....its like storm clouds forming..... But hey IT CAN'T BE RAC!!! I mean why would aynone associate an un-disciplined, flat, un-prepared team with poor coaching. The attitude, discipline and heart we lack....well we just happend to get nealry 100 NFL players that all are dumb, lazy, and just don't care abount the game..... And.... We get smoked in every opener....more bad players....or something wrong in camp? NOOOOO....... Its ALL execution and talent right? Never does attidute and leadership come into the converstation because if it did...wham....tough convo now....pretty funny certain teams have the ability, then get a new coach and boom its instand sucess. Tampa Bay...Dungy is a great coach but that team needed a kick-you-in-the-butt emotional coach, when they got one....championship.....not saying that will happen here...but it has before. Norv Turner vs. Marty.....hhhhmmm one took a healthy team nowhere in the postseason...other got every once out of an injured team. Then there the other side, when a coach has talent, is so close and then loses it...Amrvin Lewis...the sweetheart of the NFL a few year back...but it was simply his team quit executing? Far more than that...  Whos defense are we running? How has that worked out? Everytime we upgrade one area we lose in another...every fan seems to think we need a probowler at every position on defense to play well...we don't... Funny thing is the defense has what....? Gotten worse and pray every night that Nothing happens to Shaun Rodgers...if so....you aint seen nothing... Yeah, Yeah no argument....I kno...because there isn't one...you assume your already right about RAC leaving no room for anything else..I how every hope he learns quick, but am distrupted by what I see from his team outside of execution.
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Sorry Clem, but I haven't seen anything to "buy".
You see, I'm not claiming that BQ will take over and be the "best thing since sliced bread". And I'm not saying he should take over until "after the bye week".
But as to wheather you agree or disagree, I do believe I bring up very valid points.
BQ has no "mentor" like Rodgers did in Green Bay. If we had "a Favrelike QB" when BQ was drafted, I would MUCH rather him sit again this season. Problem is, we don't.
And I haven't seen anything to indicate that DA has the ability to "step it up" in crunch time. Quite the opposite in fact.
Does BQ have "it"? I don't know. But it's pretty obvious DA doesn't. So IMO, might as well find out after the bye...........
Quinn will probably take his knocks at first. Do we want to do that "next year", or get it over with now?
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Don't let them back you off! I do KNOW, that we have a kid sitting with more "raw talent" than DA will EVER posess! I do believe RAC is "part of the problem". I'm just not sure "how much" to say. But we don't have a head coach sitting in waiting "on the bench". So IMO? First things first...........................
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I do KNOW, that we have a kid sitting with more "raw talent" than DA will EVER posess!
You KNOW that, huh? And the coaches, GM, etc of the Cleveland Browns are apparently ignorant in your mind.
Now, for serious discussion - I have the opinion that Rodgers (Rogers) benefitted from sitting for 3 seasons simply because he sat and watched the game - he learned from watching.
You have the opinion that he was mentored by Favre, and that is why he is doing as well as he has so far.
On that topic, we just will never agree.
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and JUST ONCE (well actually all the time) I'd like to see the posters on this board use their heads for a change instead of acting like 2 year olds throwing a tantrum ...
JUST ONCE I would like folks to take into account WHY things really may have happend .. a few examples ...
1. We played the BEST O in football in Dallas ...
2. we played a pretty good D in Pitt ...
3. we played both these teams MINUS KEY PLAYERS ...
4. Were still an UP AND COMING TEAM .... were still young .. were still growing ...
but naaaa ... lets just act like 2 year olds and make up BS so we can blame RAC for everything wrong with the browns .. thats much simplier than actually THINKING and using your heads for a change ..
1. Dallas is a great offense but they're also the kind of team we're going to have to run with and beat in the playoffs if we want to consider ourselves a legitimate contender. We not only didn't play with them at all, we were flat out embarassed by them on both sides of the ball. Aren't we supposed to be a great offense too, anyway?
2. Yes, they are a good defense, but they're certainly beatable and also, again... aren't we supposed to be a good offense? Don't good offenses bring a challenge to good defenses? We were laughable in both the passing and running game. This whole "they're good so it's ok to get killed" is NOT an excuse anymore. We should at least contend with a team like Pittsburgh and they had us exactly where they wanted us all day.
3. This is the NFL - injuries happen. Sure, we've had more than our fair share and sure, injuries can explain some drops in performance - they don't explain floggings. Besides, Dallas played without Terrance Newman (their starting CB) and lost Marion Barber halfway through while the Steelers had Roethlisberger playing with a separated shoulder, had their #2 CB Townsend out for the game as well as Marvel Smith dinged up and lost Brent Keisel during the game. The good teams are the ones that overcome their injuries.
4. How long exactly are we supposed to keep using the excuse of "an up and coming team"? The way I see it, we were 10-6 last year, had Pro Bowl performers littered all over our offense last year and our defense just got an infusion of veteran talent on the defensive line at the expense of our draft. How low are your expectations that this start to the season is even remotely tolerable? Teams at our stage take the next step. We aren't. The time for excuses has passed.
The reason people are "acting like two year olds" is that we SHOULD be a competitive team this year. We SHOULD be in contention for a playoff spot, let alone able to progress in the playoffs. This is Romeo's 4th year and those same stupid mental mistakes that people forgave him for in the first three because he was "new" are STILL happening. I forgave him for them then because the players love him but enough is enough! We have enough talent to compete but they're all regressing and holes that were obvious to even us lowly fans were ignored by Savage and we're seeing the result.
We're freaking out because this talented team with a good infusion of both youth and veterans that finished 10-6 and traded away chunks of our draft next year to improve NOW has just laid two turds on national television, including a game against the team that we MUST beat to go to the playoffs this year.
I am so sick and tired of the excuses. I am so sick and tired of the failed expectations. I am so sick and tired of watching us being made a laughingstock every time the spotlight shines upon us. It's not just Romeo, but if he can't at least put up a showing out of a team with this much talent, if he can't win a game vs. the Steelers in 4 years and if he can't make basic judgment calls like going for touchdowns when you need them to win, what are you holding out hope for?
Now is the time to put up or shut up. Now is NOT the time to "wait until next year." We've been doing that for almost a decade now and quite frankly, I can't stand it.
We're... we're good?
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did anyone else see DA laughing on the sidelines with under 2 minutes to play as we are about to drop another loss to the steelers? This just didnt make me happy, I was rooting for DA but it just doesnt seem to me like he has what it takes or the leadership ability to lead this team to the promised land. Im not saying that BQ does either, i just dont see it in DA. These last 9 games he has played in I dont think theres one game where I can look at the film of him and say that hes a QB i want on my team.
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You seemed to take that personally.  Take another look at what you reposted from my reply. Focus on the things listed before the "glad some of you have no say so". Do you make it a habit of blaming one player for the generally overall poor team play for the first two games? The Browns coaching staff hasn't been stellar either. Would it matter who the QB was right now? How do you or anyone else here know that without question it would matter? No player is free from criticism or praise as far as I am concerned. Especially DA, since he’s the starting QB. His play must improve. Just like everyone else’s.
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