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It's an impossible task to talk common sense to this crowd of complaining blamers right now. There are several trying very hard to do so but no one wants to listen. Emotions rule opinions and facts be damned.
I'm waiting for a win so everything can go back to normal.
The only thing a "win" might do, is keep DA in the starting line up longer.
Which will mean our future is simply put on hold for that much longer. Resting on some "half assed laurels" (DA) will only delay our possibility to get where we ALL want to be. NFL Champions. It will never happen with DA behind Center.
I agree 100% --- If sitting back and watching nothing happen, keeping your mouth shut, and remaining a staunch RAC and DA supporter, while the team sits at 0-3 is the choice vs. being a common-senseless, complaining blamer, I have to take the latter. What all of these know-it-alls don't feel, is that I would much rather see RAC and Anderson have succeeded and be 3-0. Then, there would be no "call-to-arms," would there ??
It ain't about being "right" anymore. It's about how and when the Browns are going to improve.
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It's an impossible task to talk common sense to this crowd of complaining blamers right now. There are several trying very hard to do so but no one wants to listen. Emotions rule opinions and facts be damned.
I'm waiting for a win so everything can go back to normal.
Facts be damned? No sir, facts be praised! The thing is... a win isn't going to change the facts of the situation.
It's a fact that Derek Anderson has below average accuracy, decision making and pocket presence - that hasn't changed since college. It's also a fact that he has at least somewhat of a fragile psyche as is evident listening to him talk after a loss and watching him when things go poorly - he simply has trouble shaking off a bad start to a game mentally.
That's the kind of QB you can ride against easy opponents but you will NEVER win a Super Bowl with. DA's joking style may make him well liked but he also needs to have the fire needed to lead his team. I don't know if he has that now or if he ever will. Having Fraley lead the team in crunch time is VERY telling.
So what if DA wins Sunday? That isn't going to change what he is and that's exactly what's going to keep us from taking the next step. Ultimately, I hope that if we play him, it's to show him off before a trade, although that may be wishful thinking. Regardless, we need to switch to Quinn and we need to switch as soon as possible... we won't take the next step until we do.
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This isn't chinese checkers..if you start Quinn U go with him...period..
Seems like Brown wouldnt mind going back and forth b/w the two.... Sorta like playing a video game... lol..
I wouldn't mind playing Quinn and starting him, but we ALL know that we still have a very tough schedule. We are only 3 games into the season... There are 13 more games to go. That is a lot of football.
I say if Anderson starts against the Bengals and plays HORRIBLY... Put Quinn in against the Giants. There defense is not as strong without Usi. He may be better up for it then.
I don't want to give up on this season already though. We are not going 16-0, but we can still strive to make the playoffs.... A wildcard team can still go to the Super Bowl, regardless of their record.
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I don't want to give up on this season already though. We are not going 16-0, but we can still strive to make the playoffs.... A wildcard team can still go to the Super Bowl, regardless of their record.
There have been 3 teams since 1990 to make the playoffs after starting 0-3. Most of them don't even make it back to .500. I appreciate the optimism, but unless we pull off a miracle and our competition collapses, this is a lost season. May as well get Brady seasoned to hope to finish off strong this year and build towards a resurgence next year.
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I am wondering if an 0-3 Browns team EVER made it to the playoffs,...??
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I am wondering if an 0-3 Browns team EVER made it to the playoffs,...??
Stats courtesy of Grossi:
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For the record, only two teams since 1993 have started a season 0-3 and made the playoffs. Of the 78 previous 0-3 teams, 68 ended with a losing record.
The Browns have been 0-3 on only four other occasions since 1950 and proceeded to lose 11 games (twice), 12 and 14 in those seasons.
Again, not to be a downer, but barring a miracle, we're done.
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Thanks,...I'm lazy,....new question -- who were those 2 that did make it, and what did they accomplish ??
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Again, not to be a downer, but barring a miracle, we're done.
We have the talent.... Do you all not agree? Only thing really holding us back are injuries. Even w/out some guys, we should still be able to execute.
The defense can hang tough.. It's our offense, more in particular, Anderson who is holding us back.
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Who wants to argue with this man..
Brown was asked if he was talking about Brady Quinn. He replied: "We don't have a superstar quarterback. We have two that have tremendous potential.
One has played a lot more than the other has, successfully, and also had some failure. If we try Brady this week, it's a change of pace. Why not have a change of pace that might bring you a spark? And if he doesn't cut it, we can bring the other guy back, and we can bring Brady back.
Me. That's who.
I've NEVER liked Jim Brown as the mouthpiece of the organization, and it's because as great as a player as he was, he's equally as bad when he opens his freakin' mouth 
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Let me 'splain it to you so that you can get this through your thick skull. Once you let the genie that is Brady Quinn out of the bottle, you can't put him back in. Once you bench Anderson as the STARTER, he's benched for good. Going back to Anderson if Quinn doesn't do well spells a QB system that means virtually certain failure. We either continue to plug along with Anderson as the starter, or we make the FULL decision to go with Quinn and sink or swim with him the rest of the way.
The RIGHT way to play this is to start Anderson, then make it known that he REMAINS the starter, but that it's time to get Quinn some real game action. This means he'll come in for a series or three. In this fashion, Anderson remains the starter and Quinn gets some work, and we haven't started the flip-flop machine that Jim Brown says is a fine idea.  If Quinn suddenly gets it, THEN we can switch for good.
On a side note, the longer we allow Jim Brown to talk for the franchise, the more we'll look like idiots. He needs to be shut down as a guy who speaks on the organizations behalf.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Thanks,...I'm lazy,....new question -- who were those 2 that did make it, and what did they accomplish ??
1995 Detroit Lions and 1998 Buffalo Bills. Both finished 10-6 and both were bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
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Thanks,...I'm lazy,....new question -- who were those 2 that did make it, and what did they accomplish ??
1995 Detroit Lions and 1998 Buffalo Bills. Both finished 10-6 and both were bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
Thanks again,...this gives me an achievable goal to shoot for.
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Again, not to be a downer, but barring a miracle, we're done.
We have the talent.... Do you all not agree? Only thing really holding us back are injuries. Even w/out some guys, we should still be able to execute.
The defense can hang tough.. It's our offense, more in particular, Anderson who is holding us back.
We have the talent but I think what those stats show is that at 0-3, it's just too late. If we go 10-3 from here on out, which would be an incredible accomplishment against a schedule as difficult as ours (not to mention starting a QB without a career start), we still might not make the playoffs. Wild cards in the AFC are very competitive and Pittsburgh owns the tiebreaker against us along with a 2 game lead so the division is probably out of the question. We would not only need to play lights out, we'd need both the Steelers and Ravens to collapse. There's a reason why it's only happened twice in a decade and a half and I don't think it's going to happen this year.
At this point, we should absolutely be trying to win every game possible but, when we're making decisions and moves, we should realize that we're probably done. It's not being negative, it's being realistic. Moves should be made for both now and the future, as we've probably lost this season before it even began.
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The reality is if DA plays good in the Cincy game..he will continue to play until he sinks..
Which worries me. With his inconsistacies, I can not, in any way, see DA "leading us to the promised land". Never did.....
And IMO, Quinn will take his knocks as a "first year starter" as most do. Delaying his starts, only delays our eventual success. My fear is, the DA experiment will be extended, which means our future will be "put on hold".
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The only reason he doesn't get the nod against the Bungals is if the coaches determine he's done mentally ..and only the practices will show it..
This too worries me. Some players are "great practice players", but under the heat of "real games" they crumble under the pressure". This is what I believe DA does. To this point, it seems obvious he "looks good in practice", but it does not translate during games.
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I think there is something wrong(dispite the weaknesses he has)..I said to DnD , dude hasn't recovered from the blow to the head..either it knocked something outta whack or he's gun shy...or both.
I've thought about that possibility and while I do not totaly dismiss it, I do have my doubts. I believe if people take an honest look at the situation, they may see my point.
When looking at the Cincy game last year, then his pro bowl performance, it appears that it is more of a "carry over" from last season to this season. I mean he had four picks against Cincy, looked horid in the pro bowl, and as of yet, I see it more as a "pattern" that carried over.
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But he's confused right now and he shouldn't be..he should know what the defenses are doing to him..they're taking away Edwards deep routes..and they're chucking KW at the line and running a LB/safety under/over on him..
The backs are free..something Chud needs to unwrap his brain about..and they need to run the ball more..or I'm gonna have to see Lewis's angry glare some more..
Using a "dump off safety valve" to the RB's on pass plays IMO would certainly help the situation in regards to the pressure DA is getting. And I agree with you on these points you are making.
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Now before U come a rolling back have ...I said anything bout WHO I want to start?
No..just laying it out as I see it.
Nah, I'm not going to come "rolling back at ya".
Honestly, at the beginning of the season, it seemed as if I were more of a "lone wolf" that was slammed from every angle on my views about DA. And that situation put me far more in "defense mode". And my method of "defense mode" is to come out swinging.
That was my bad, my fault and to those on here that applies to, I'm sorry for that. Now there are "still a few" that use more of "attack style posting" towards me that will get like kind in return. But you are certainly not one of those.
So for some of my "nastier posts" directed at you, I'm sorry for that.
While I disagree with some of your views, I do believe you have merrit in why you believe them and you state your case in a rather civil fashion. So there is no cause for me to be nasty in return. None..............
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i actually agree 'Toad, i don't think Brown should be in as prominent role as he is..He does a great job with the younger players and the players that have come from troubled pasts, but from a personnel standpoint..can't say i like alot of the things he says. I really wish Bernie could get a big role in the team. Hell, I'd like to see what he could do as an OC, but people like bernie need to have more involvement in the team imo. Lerner isn't a football guy, he needs to bring in football people to guide. I understand that Lerner talks to Bernie constantly off the record and behind closed doors..time to make it an official position.
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This too worries me. Some players are "great practice players", but under the heat of "real games" they crumble under the pressure". This is what I believe DA does. To this point, it seems obvious he "looks good in practice", but it does not translate during games.
To bring up another situation, it's been comment on that DA has lost the huddle..players are chattering and complaining.. That has to stop..it happened with Frye..then we went to DA.. Now it's happening again..time for someone(the QB in the huddle) to tell those guys to shut it up and DO THEIR JOB.. Honestly, at the beginning of the season, it seemed as if I were more of a "lone wolf" that was slammed from every angle on my views about DA. Eh...look at the threads..I've voiced my thoughts about him..which haven't changed ..IMO he's heading down the same road as Frye did.. I said both had defencies..I said neither was a franchise QB.. But not once have I posted it's BQ time..I just harp on DA 's weaknesses. So for some of my "nastier posts" directed at you, I'm sorry for that. Ha..I never got angry..I told a few people I was just counterpunching..my sarcasm just went up a notch..BAM!!!  THE DEBATE HAS MOSTLY BEEN about Rac..and I'm while observing him I see certain things that I don't like..and I've said it..taking better command of your assistants is one..demanding excellence and consistancy is one thing he's got to command from them..then get on those players..make them perform or sit their U know what.. He should have been firmer with his units in practice.. He's not stupid..he knows his job is on the line..I expect to see a tighter ship this week.. As far as being nasty..I thought it was more of just punching each other..I never took it for more than that..I get a kick outta debates..always have.. See ..I didn't leave the board..or put U on like ignore(Hi Daman!!) ..just stayed here ..
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I'm the same way. I don't "leave the board". I haven't had the internet for a week.( the storm) I visited my daughter until last night and her PC SUCKS! So I only posted a few times the last few days. But message boards are no place for thin skinned people.  And for me, about RAC, I'm not ready to kick him to the curb just yet, but am hoping for great improvement this season. I see the same problems as you do along with clock management. The rest of the season will go a long way in determining a more firm opinion on him. BTW- Glad you didn't take it personal. It was not my intent.
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I woulda thought U would have a comment about DA losing the huddle..
Thats huge...that means it's havoc in there.
Sunday will be telling since we know he's going to start.
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Chick Ludwig (Dayton Daily News Reporter), who I think is a buffoon, stated on the radio yesterday that ...
Take that for what you will, I just found it interesting.
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WoW....as if i could get anymore on the Fire RAC bandwagon...I'm practically driving it. When basically reports have said everyone in the organization was for the QB change but ultimately left it up to RAC, he goes and keeps DA...wow...he def. hitched his wagon to DA here.. DA is damaged goods right now, he don't trust anything..this is going to get ugly
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It is if it's true..but now we have Charlie Frye all over again..
It's eerie to how this situation is unfolding like that. Romeo can't make up his mind, so he decides to go with the guy he has been starting, but telling the backup to be ready.
In other words, the backup doesn't get the reps and the starter has no confidence and is under tremendous pressure.
Exhibit A on how Romeo isn't a head coach.
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I wonder what Romeo's response will be... "Well DA has more experience."  This is gonna be a fiasco...
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Romeo can't make up his mind, so he decides to go with the guy he has been starting, but telling the backup to be ready.
Where did you get the Rac can't make up his mind?
U mean he didn't do what U wanted him to do.
They made their mind up and it's logical if not popular.
U have to give DA one more chance to pull himself up..U just don't bench a guy who had a productive season after 3 games..
Exhibit A on how Romeo isn't a head coach.
No exhibit A on how fans don't understand the process..
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Romeo can't make up his mind, so he decides to go with the guy he has been starting, but telling the backup to be ready.
Where did you get the Rac can't make up his mind?
U mean he didn't do what U wanted him to do.
They made their mind up and it's logical if not popular.
U have to give DA one more chance to pull himself up..U just don't bench a guy who had a productive season after 3 games..
Exhibit A on how Romeo isn't a head coach.
No exhibit A on how fans don't understand the process..
Rac cannot make up his mind as to who he wants to start. So he tells Quinn to get more reps and be ready, but gives the start to DA. How is that suppose to inspire confidence in your starting QB?
I want a solid decision on who is the QB and let him get the snaps as starting QB. Right now DA is losing snaps to Quinn and he is saying that basically, if DA struggles, he will be pulled.
This is the same damn thing he did with Charlie Frye. The only thing he hasn't done is flip a coin.
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Rac cannot make up his mind as to who he wants to start.
Then I must be reading wrong because I thought he said DA would start.
Where has the flip-flop occured?
So he tells Quinn to get more reps and be ready, but gives the start to DA.
And?
Show me where Rac doesn't know who to start.
I want a solid decision on who is the QB and let him get the snaps as starting QB
O.k I thought Lerner was the owner..but since you are, I thought Rac told U that DA was starting?
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Rac cannot make up his mind as to who he wants to start.
Then I must be reading wrong because I thought he said DA would start.
Where has the flip-flop occured?
So he tells Quinn to get more reps and be ready, but gives the start to DA.
And?
Show me where Rac doesn't know who to start.
I want a solid decision on who is the QB and let him get the snaps as starting QB
O.k I thought Lerner was the owner..but since you are, I thought Rac told U that DA was starting?
Rac said DA is the starter.
Rac said Quinn will get more work.
If you're Derek Anderson, what are you thinking right now? I bet the last thing on your mind is your job is safe. According to whoever Jules listen to, DA was crying after the game. Sounds like he is confident in his abilities. 
I'm saying that starting Derek Anderson right now is the wrong decision and Romeo is going to pay for it. He named a starter, but he doesn't realize that he has put Derek in a no win situation.
Romeo made a decision, I was wrong there. I think Romeo made the wrong decision.
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I woulda thought U would have a comment about DA losing the huddle..
Thats huge...that means it's havoc in there.
Sunday will be telling since we know he's going to start.
While I totally believe that "may be the case", I really haven't "seen evidence" that causes me to "trust that is the case".
The total let down in the "team" after so much non production from the offense does tell me however, that IF it "hasn't already happened" it surely will if things continue as they have IMO
But until I see evidence that "convinces me" that it has truely happened, I'll reserve my comments in that regard.
At this juncture I believe They have "grave concerns about his ability to lead them". But not so far as actually "losing the huddle".
I believe you can have "doubts" about a fellow team mate, yet still respect his position. But not for long IMO
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If you're Derek Anderson, what are you thinking right now?
If I was him I'd know my starting job is on the line..and when you under perform, thats the bottom line..really is that anything new for a QB?
I know what you're saying but it's the right decision..this situation must be played out so there's no doubt who is going to be the starting QB..if the starter comes out and consistantly improves he should continue to play..if he regresses he's done.
And I like it that way even if I'm not a DA supporter..give him his chance to pick the ball up and go.
Giving Brady more reps to get him ready isn't going to kill DA..he knows what he needs to do.
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IMO, DA is still on the hot seat.
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DA was DA again, only diff is nobody can use the excuse he was playin a "top 5" defense...and....the WR"s, even Steptoe, were playing good and gettin open.
DA's days are numbered...just look at the schedule.
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IMO, DA is still on the hot seat.
As he damn well should be. I'll take a win, but Derek was awful against an awful D.
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Apparently that leash is a lot longer than I though it was going to be.
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DA isn't on a leash. He's got one of those yard runners where he can go back and forth and pretty much wherever he wants.
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DA isn't on a leash. He's got one of those yard runners where he can go back and forth and pretty much wherever he wants.
Haha...he's got one of those things that parents connect to their kids ... like a telephone cord ... LOL
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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DA isn't on a leash. He's got one of those yard runners where he can go back and forth and pretty much wherever he wants.
Haha...he's got one of those things that parents connect to their kids ... like a telephone cord ... LOL
lol yeah... DA is running around all over the yard, taking big dumps everywhere, and apparently Braylon must have stepped in it.
Braylon wasn't a happy man on the sidelines....anyone catch that?
"The Browns' defense is kicking mucho dupa."
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Is there a way we can electrify the hot seat?
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Braylon wasn't a happy man on the sidelines....anyone catch that?
Yeah he got in DA's face...hhhhhmmmmm....afterwards DA played average instead of pee-wee league awful. Maybe thats all we need is somebody to grap this team by the jersey and shake alittle life into them.
BE was ticked...I would be too.....
As for the leash...it isnt a leash...nothing sort of 5 straight INT will get DA off the field. Its RAC...hes handleing this like the Mo situation....like he always does...no accountability...play the vet..."I feel like he gives us the best chance to win".....
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Just clicking.
As per an article provided by PPE regarding a telling stat of Yards per game both on O and on Defense signifies weakness and strengths of teams.
Us under DA and lets face it...DA is the HEAD of our air attack.
We are dead last in the NFL at 4.6 and that is with his stellar game against the lowly Bengals who btw had their 2 top CBs knocked out.
If DA is our best chance to win...I'm wondering if BQ is a total Bomb???
Or are our coaches so spellbound by DA's incredible prowess in practice that we keep saying to ourselves...THIS IS THE WEEK HE BREAKS OUT, I KNOW IT!
Maybe it will be against the Broncos...I think thats the worst pass defensive team we will face all year
I can't believe we aren't going with BQ in the bye week. RAC is too loyal with his decisions and doesn't trust what he doesn't see in practices and he was told over n over again from Savage and others that Frye simply wasn't a practice player...wait for the real games. Now that factor is hurting as RAC cannot pull that trigger when he evaluates the 2 QBs in practice...DA is head over heels better than BQ...IN PRACTICE!! Just look at the film RAC...just look at the Game film!!! PLEASE 
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