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I am not saying the Buckeyes would have won if the refs made better calls; however, the game would have been closer.
Look, I understand what you're saying. The refs were bad, but to say it would be close because of the refs, is wrong.
Maybe it would be 35-6...that's about it.
you had a good run Hank.
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Thats the same thing I did, but don't need you to defend me, the fact is OSU made my world greener, and they choked in a way that many expected unless your a OSU fan.
No matter I didn't dog on them and laughed at the thougth when OSU fans blamed the game on the Refs but overall, I can't be happier, three grand from OSU, I can't be happier!!!
You can hate that I am enjoying this loss, but you wouldn't if it made your world green. Thank you board for this moment to gloat in my financial victory!!!
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I honestly believe Tressell is a great recruiter, but a very overrated coach. I'm sure everyone will bash me for that opinion, but whatever lol.
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Rough game  I chose to listen to it b/c I needed to get Accounting II homework done so I can spend the day downtown tomorrow and I'm glad I did. USC showed hands down why they are the best team in the land right now. The good thing is just like Texas a few years ago theres a chance at a lil revenge! I did think it was cool to hear the name Clay Matthews called (my favorite Brown ever). I really want to see the hit he had on Boeckman that caused the fumble. It sounded like he creamed him. It sounded like Pryor had the offense moving pretty good when he was out there and Boeckman played up to his usual during a big game. Just the fact that the Bucks could only muster 3 G'D points is what makes this loss hurt. B/c it wasn;'t only a "L", but a giant ass kicking  I just hope the Browns salvage the weekend for me. GO BROWNS!
Our honor defend, we will fight to the end, for OHIO! GO BUCKS!
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It was wrong, and made by an official that CLEARLY wasn't able to see what was happening on the field.
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What was wrong with it? I don't understand. Boeckman fumbled. USC recovered. Had possession, while laying on the ground (keep in mind, you don't have to be touched on the ground to be down in college football), and then after an Ohio State player jumped in, the ball came loose. But the ball was already recovered, and the play was dead.
Please tell me what was wrong with that call.
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If that is your perspective then the first OSU lineman that jumped on the ball was down with possession. Therefore OSU ball. 
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I live and work in the bus. All the guys give me crap every week the browns lose. "How bout my Cowboys, how bout my Giants etc." I can't wait, becaus eI could care less about colege football to say "HOW BOUT MY TROJANS!!!!!!" 
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The fact that the ball popped out from underneath him on relatively slight contact suggests to me that he didn't secure possession in the first place.
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The OSU offensive lineman never possessed the ball, though. As soon as he jumped on it (before he had possession), the ball came out.
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I honestly believe Tressell is a great recruiter, but a very overrated coach. I'm sure everyone will bash me for that opinion, but whatever lol.
He's a good coach, but I don't think he's one of the tops in the league like some would say. I don't think he makes adjustments well, so it seems. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy. I'd take him anyday over Rich Rod, Lloyd Carr...... 
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One play did not cost them the game. OSU got their asses kicked, it wasn't the Refs it was the team. Play this game 10 times and USC wins nine of them. The Buckeyes were outplayed, over matched, and the weakest team on the field no matter what the officiating crew. This was a good ole fashion ass kickin and again, as I stated earlier show some class as fans, no wonder why other schools laugh about this college, you guys can't accept defeat when it is blatent.
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The OSU offensive lineman never possessed the ball, though. As soon as he jumped on it (before he had possession), the ball came out.
Yeah, but if you kept watching, the USC guy had the ball on the ground, it moved around and eventually it squirted out. Didn't seem like he clearly possessed it, and it was recovered by OSU. They only showed the replay at that angle once, and you can see where it came back out and OSU recovered it.
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I will give you the INT for a TD though, probably should have been 1st goal from like the 3. But, the fumble, there is no way you can honestly believe that was the wrong call.
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I think he's a fairly decent gameplanner and coach, but again, until his stubbornness with the QB position is overcome it will come back to bite him in the ass.
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Ok and the TD they scored on a obvious pick, the BS late hit calls(I think 2) when Boeckman was creamed after many throws and nothing was called. OSU D linemen being wrapped and dragged down while Sanchez stood there throwing downfiled. I am trying to be very careful and not blame the refs for the loss because that is not what I am saying at all, but the officiating was bad even if it likely didnt make any difference.
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So what. The refs did not, I repeat did not lose the game OSU did, so please stop blaming others except the damn team.
Did I mention OSU made my world a bit greener thanks OSU it is appreciated!!!
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It was bad. Not using it as an excuse, just agreeing that it was bad.
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that was flat out embarassing, both sides of the ball didn't even get up for this game...
penalties, poor tackling, blown coverages, the whole nine yards...
both of tressel's coordinators are horrible at gameplanning, absolutely horrible
there is no doubt that this offense revolves around beanie, but if you don't have a plan b, then you shouldn't be coaching at any level higher than pop warner...
and the defense? where were you?
this year is shot. with a weak schedule remaining, other than a somewhat tough game here or there, the buckeyes won't even have a chance to prove they are better than what they showed tonight. i would play pryor the rest of the way, and take my lumps now, and get ready for usc in the shoe next year, because it ain't happening this season
and for those rubbing it in, grow up.
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I honestly believe Tressell is a great recruiter, but a very overrated coach. I'm sure everyone will bash me for that opinion, but whatever lol.
I am not sure that I agree with you, but I don't necessarily disagree with you. If that makes any sense.
I think that his strategies are schemes are fine, but his teams seem to be soft.
The buckeyes do not respond to adversity. Being stoic is good, but you have to have some emotion and believe that you can come back when things don't go as scripted.
I think that the book on the buckeyes is that you get them down by a touchdown or two and they will crumble. Whether it is their composure and stupid penalties or just flat out giving up. They need a leader to instill confidence that they can come back. Hopefully Pryor can become that player. Tressel is too stoic to be that person. He might be like that on the inside, but I don;t think that it translates to his players. That is his biggest weakness and he needs a player to step up and fill that role.
Right now thier are none on the buckeyes.
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Fletch, no one cares if you won a bet. I'm a betting man myself, so I do know this, generally, when people win a large bet, they don't go around bragging about it. It's bad karma.
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I can accept that USC is a better team. Hell, I knew that before the season started. But they are not 32 points better. The thing that irks me is that all of the prognosticators now have another year of bashing tOSU for a game that, much like the LSU game, was not as lopsided as the score would indicate. I believe we will see the potential of this program when Pryor gets his chance to play full time, much like we did with Troy Smith (save for one particular game  )
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usc is good, but there are a lot of teams in the country that would have crushed the buckeyes tonight, they were horrible
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I'm going to bed. I got a long day tomorrow. Driving up to Cleveland around noon, hitting a few of the bars there. And getting ready for the Pittsburgh game. If you guys wanna find me and jump me in an alley, I'll the one wearing the Winslow jersey
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I can accept that USC is a better team. Hell, I knew that before the season started. But they are not 32 points better. The thing that irks me is that all of the prognosticators now have another year of bashing tOSU for a game that, much like the LSU game, was not as lopsided as the score would indicate. I believe we will see the potential of this program when Pryor gets his chance to play full time, much like we did with Troy Smith (save for one particular game )
They are much better than OSU, but to be fair, USC's talent is in a whole other world than everyone.
USC's talent is AMAZING. They have no competition in California, so they rake in there and can also go head to head with OSU, Michigan, Florida.
USC is MUCH better then EVERYONE in the NCAA.
you had a good run Hank.
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Plus, I get the feeling he's lost his share of money as well If not, well, it's coming. You know what they say about a (not sure if I can say it) and his money...
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IMO the D line was getting flat out mugged the entire game.
Again. it would not have changed the fact the the Oline was ole' ing blocks the entire game which got Boekman killed.
Everyone wants to blame the QB. What was he suppsosed to do.
Hit those slow ass receivers? I agree they were open all game long .
He had no time to throw it to them.
And Pryor would have fared no better once USC moved the D-ends out.
We could have run two yard draws all night after that. Not good enough.
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I don't normally bet, but this one I couldn't pass up, to many "huckleberries" as for your karma remark, I win when I gamble, have a good percentage, so I doubt mentioning it on a BROWNS board won't hurt too much since normally this isn't my gig, but when you hit big with no margin for error and call it right, your damn right I will make it known.
Don't hate and if you are a gambler then you should have made some coin like I did, but don't think I bet with your so called karma in mind, I bet to win and again that is what I did was win.
Oh if you didn't care why address me?
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From another thread, days ago, from a place far far away...
Doesn't much matter anyway. Beanie Boy or no Beanie Boy. Buckeyes are making a long West coast trip for nada... They don't travel well out to the West. Actually any sunny state recently for that matter. They will probably be compeditive in the first half.
You OSU fans know reading this right now what that sickening, worried felling in your gut means. It's OK, you'll probably will be able to get back in the hunt with your schedule.
USC is has better talent, is deeper, faster and better coached. They don't lose to over-rated teams that don't travel well at home. They don't lose at home much anyway.
I dislike both teams. But I'll be watching the game just to see the Big Ten choke again and OSU get handled.
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Now I think that's just going overboard. I think Florida and Georgia, as well as Mizzou (at least offensively) and a few others would like to have a word with you. USC has blown out a terrible ACC team and an OSU team that did all they could to give the game away. Not sure I'm ready to crown their [expletive] just yet.
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Top dawg.
To answer your question on the fumble.
Here is how I saw the play.
Beckman fumbles the ball.
OSU gaurd jumps on the ball. The ball squirts out.
Two USC players jump on the ball. The ball squirts out.
The ball is recovered from the pile by the buckeyes, but the refs rule that the Two usc players had possession.
I found this a very questionable ruling and I thought that it should have at least been reviewed. To me the ball was moving the whole time the two USC players were on it, and If they did have possession. Why did the ball squirt out?
Would it have changed the outcome, NO. But OSU might have put some points on the board and had a little more confidence in the second half to at least make it respectable. Up until this point I thought there was Hope (however misguided). It is not why they lost, but I thought it was the difference between them having a shot at making it respectable and saving face and the complete ass kicking they received.
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Now I think that's just going overboard. I think Florida and Georgia, as well as Mizzou (at least offensively) and a few others would like to have a word with you. USC has blown out a terrible ACC team and an OSU team that did all they could to give the game away. Not sure I'm ready to crown their [expletive] just yet.
You can argue all you want.
USC clearly has the best talent in the NCAA. And it's really not close.
you had a good run Hank.
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I did lose money, I sent Saint a new spatula so he can flip the burgers properly!!! Gotta take care of those who flip the meat! Now I am down to 2994 dollars, damn the hurt, LOL.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to argue against clearly the most knowledgeable person in America on the subject of college football. Just be ready to retract that when they're involved in a close game or (heaven forbid) come up short.
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The next time OSU should be challenged should be a bowl game if they lose prior then there year is a total waste. The only bright spot is the possibility of the Browns getting their hands on Laurenitis after that, there nothing more then fodder for college football.
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I am completely serious. OSU controlled the game for the first half.
I mean, are the rest of you Ohio State fans really defending comments like these?
I might be able to answer your question, if you can honestly say you are not on here because you enjoy antagonizing buckeye fans.
But honestly I don't give a rats ass how you get your jollies.
I will say that we didn't play that awful in the first half. We should have been in the game at the half. But we completely shot ourselves in the foot in the red zone.
I doubt we would have won, but it should have been close. To me that is the most frustrating thing about the buckeyes. They are not mentally tough. When things don't go their way. They seem to hang their head and give up, instead of fighting on. The here we go again attitude takes over.
You could see it in their eves that when they went down 21 to 3 they were not coming back. The only chance they had to get some momentum and get back in the game was the last drive of the half. But that was taken away by the BS fumble call. Would it have changed the outcome of the game. Probably not. USC was going to win this, but that drive could have given us something to build on to make the game at least respectable.
I give USC credit they punched us in the mouth and we pissed in our pants.
there was no way the bucks were keeping this close. usc has way better players all across the board. the bucks o-line and d-line are a bunch of stiffs. our recievers should be playing in the mac, not at ohio state. where are teddy gin and santonio holmes?? todd boekman is total garbage.
the team speed usc has couldn't be matched. if we played in the sec, we would be lucky to finish .500.
this whole group has been overrated from playing in a weak conference. how many times do you need to see???
and this is coming from an osu graduate.
tressel needs to start playing the young guys.get them ready for next year.
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To answer your question on the fumble.
Here is how I saw the play.
Beckman fumbles the ball.
OSU gaurd jumps on the ball. The ball squirts out.
Two USC players jump on the ball. The ball squirts out.
The ball is recovered from the pile by the buckeyes, but the refs rule that the Two usc players had possession.
I found this a very questionable ruling and I thought that it should have at least been reviewed. To me the ball was moving the whole time the two USC players were on it, and If they did have possession. Why did the ball squirt out?
Would it have changed the outcome, NO. But OSU might have put some points on the board and had a little more confidence in the second half to at least make it respectable. Up until this point I thought there was Hope (however misguided). It is not why they lost, but I thought it was the difference between them having a shot at making it respectable and saving face and the complete ass kicking they received.
IMO, the OSU lineman jumped on the ball and it immediately squirted out, he never maintained possession.
The USC players jumped on the ball and had possession but tried to roll over and the ball came out. But since he was down and did establish possession it was USC's ball.
NRTU
All in all USC was the better team, they won and made OSU look silly.
Beanie wouldn't of made one lick of a difference. PERIOD.
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Man you opened up a new can of worms, but the fact is you are 110% correct. OSU was out played, out coached, and did not have the talent to get the job done, with or without the officials. I seen a team tonight that was over matched on both sides of the ball, as well as USC having more talent. Thank you for keeping it real, I wish most would see the truth.
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