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hmmmm, what would Mike Martz do with this offense....?
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hmmmm, what would Mike Martz do with this offense....?
I don't even want to think about that right now.
His offense makes me sick.
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I say Go! as long as Bill Cower is willing to come in.
We are way too undiciplined, leading to way too many stupid penalties. That is a reflection of coaching. No one can argue his poor time clock management against the steelers. As a D-cord. i think he would still be very good, not as a headcoach.
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The more I hear Cowherds name the more of a joke it sounds..
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Yeah maybe Cowherd can some day, live up to RAC, I know maybe never in your book attack...but maybe in the mainstream, ya know....so Cowherd can salvage something from a miserable career.
I dunno how it will happen, RAC's done so much and Cowherd....what a joke it is to bring his name up.
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The jokes on you fella..yall keep growling for Cowher..dude isn't coming here..there's so much conflict in that senero it ain't funny..
U guys don't get it..and I ain't gonna dwell on it.
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Yeah maybe Cowherd can some day, live up to RAC, I know maybe never in your book attack...but maybe in the mainstream, ya know....so Cowherd can salvage something from a miserable career.
I dunno how it will happen, RAC's done so much and Cowherd....what a joke it is to bring his name up.
I am so confused. Are we talking about the Colin Cowherd the host of the thundering herd on espn, or are we talking about Bill Cowher.
Because Honestly if the name Cowherd keeps getting thrown around, I have to agree with Attack. It is very comical. 
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No I know it's Cowher..I just typed it that way to be sarcastic..but I don't think for a second Lerner would bring in Cowher..
Or that Cowher actually would want to come here.
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I agree with what someone said in one of these threads that what we need is head coach who has been a head coach before so here is some names of past head coaches:
Marty
Bill Cowher
Jimmy Johnson----long shot
Jim Fassel (Giants)
Jim Mora Jr. (Atlanta)
Denny Green (Minnesota and Arizona)
Mike Sherman (Green Bay)
Mike Martz (Rams)
Dom Capers (Carolina)
Mike Mularkey (Buffalo)
Greg Williams (Buffalo)
Dave Wannstedt (Bears and Miami)
Steve Mariucci (49ers and Lions)
Marty Mornhinweg (Lionst)
Jim Haslett (Saints)
Chan Gailey (Dallas)
Vince Tobin (Arizona)
Dick LeBeau (Cincy)
Ray Rhodes (Pilly and GB)
Bruce Coslet (Jets and Cincy)
* I know some of these guys are currently assistant coaches, others i have no idea*
There is a reason that most of these guys aren't head coaches. Just because they have been in the past doesn't mean they were good at it.
I don't see Cowher coming to Cleveland and if this list is the best we can do then I think the guy running the show now would be our best choice. I mean really Marty Mornhinweg
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It has been long said in the media that crennel seeks Phils permission with a lot of things... I am just going w/ what the media says... and if it is true He would not want to hire a person like Cowher who for years usually had the biggest input when it came to drafting players and signing players and setting up personnel..
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No I know it's Cowher..I just typed it that way to be sarcastic..but I don't think for a second Lerner would bring in Cowher..
Or that Cowher actually would want to come here.
As a rule, I don't like retreads.....not many coaches have had success one place then duplicated it another.
To me, it is easier to make changes on a defense...easier to implement and build if necessary.
I myself would give Chud the reins the rest of the season, and if he does a decent job, go with him as HC and keep his O to provide some continuity...I don't think that needs to change...just some of the parts.
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And Chud has shown us what that makes U confident he can be a head coach?
Nooooo, you finish with Rac..first you see what changes/improvements are made week to week..
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It's my opinion that Chud is part of the problem.
What makes you think he is the solution?
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I have to totally agree with Attack here, what the heck has Chud done to make anybody think he can be the HC?  He cant run the offense, Tuck cant run the defense...RAC cant hold the ship together, fire up his troops, get them play focused football. Chud has to learn to walk b4 running. Chud is not an option atall right now, firing RAC now does nothing, I agree Peen, RAC's a befoon, but you gain nothing by firing him. Wait until the season is over and get something real, a real HC....not Chud...
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He has never done it, so there is nothing to show...that's why you do it now...if he's a guy the team thinks they want to keep.
RACs done man...you know it, RAC knows it, the team knows it....keeping him around is a waste.
Sends the wrong signal
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Total emotional reaction..there's so much wrong it silly..it's DA, it's playcalling, it's injuries..lack of talent in certain key areas..there are things that directly reflect on the coach and some that don't.
There's a reason I said wait till week 6 ..thats clearly becoming more and more true..
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He cant run the offense,
Now you are talking crazy...you don't unlearn how to call plays...he did just fine last year....his problems stem from a goofy head coach, a qb who has lost confidence and a situation with injuries where defending us isn't that hard.
I am not saying he should be the choice...simply saying RAC is dead meat and we need to discard it....he's done.
I bet Savage and Lerner have already talked if they aren't talking now about when RAC gets canned.
I have a feeling if Lerner had his way, it would already be a hour late.
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It's a game of emotion...if it happens in week 6, it can happen now...unless RAC wins 1 playoff game, he is done...I really think that was the standard he had to meet....well...we can forget that, so might as well move on now...it really couldn't hurt anything.....unless you are saying RAC is a good coach and is salvageable...
At any rate...I have to run....you carry on
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what the heck has Chud done to make anybody think he can be the HC? He cant run the offense, Tuck cant run the defense...RAC cant hold the ship together, fire up his troops, get them play focused football. Chud has to learn to walk b4 running.
I'm not arguing for or against Chud.. but how many heralded OCs and DCs go on to become HCs? Quite a few. How many of them succeed? Considerably less than half. Why? Because being the HC requires a completely different skill set than being a coordinator. So Chud could be an offensive guru for another 4 or 5 years, that makes him no more qualified to be a HC than he is right now...
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There is a reason that most of these guys aren't head coaches. Just because they have been in the past doesn't mean they were good at it.
Yea, if RAC gets canned, his name will be on some other teams list of "experienced head coaches"... 
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There are three guys out there who are "proven."
Cowher, Billick, and Marty.
Jim Mora Jr. is Holmgren's successor in Seattle, it's already in place.
I don't want Marty...I just don't think the guy can win the big one.
I like Billick's intelligence and his ability to beat Pittsburgh, but I don't like his ego. (If you've listened to Billick in the broadcast booth, he's no Romeo with simple answers). Billick would probably work with Phil Savage as well.
Cowher makes the most sense, but would he take our job? Would he want Savage out? Would he be able to bring Kevin Colbert with him? (If so, see ya Savage.)
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I would not be opposed to seeing Mike Sherman or Jim Haslett running our sideline. Haslett is good with defenses and the Packers D was always pretty solid with Mike Sherman.
I think theyd be good choices, but whoever we get we need a coach that isnt afraid to take chances, and can devise a defensive system, this crap we have now is just pitiful
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Jim Haslett is a failure, Mike Sherman is coaching at a D1 college right now.
Anyone else see the press conference? Romeo said "Last season is over."
I'm glad we waited til after week 3 to declare 2007 over.
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It's my opinion that Chud is part of the problem.
What makes you think he is the solution?
I'm not exactly ecstatic about his playcalling the last three games...but what do you expect the guy to do?
He's piloting an offense that's near 2003-2005 era calibur, and pretty handcuffed as to what he can do.
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Haslett was undone by some bad roster moves. I blame much of his failure on Aaron Brooks.
He deserves another chance I think. However, he doesnt have a new head coaching job so maybe not. But im not against him. and I like Mike Sherman, I wonder if he'd be willing to come back to the NFL
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I'm not expecting miracles. I just don't see the fascination with the guy. I'm not saying he isn't a good coordinator. I just don't know what it is that poeple see in him to make them think he is going to be a great HC.
So many get on here and say he should be the replacement to RAC. If it isn't really an upgrade then why make the change? Just to say you did?
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As a rule, I don't like retreads.....not many coaches have had success one place then duplicated it another.
I'm on the other side of the coin. I think if you're a good coach, then you're a good coach. Doesn't really matter what city you're put in. Most of the time, however, the really good ones are kept in one place for a looong time.
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Yesterday was the first game I felt we could have won and we didnt. This team is up against the ropes and backed into a corner.
Many said that the way the team turned around last year was because of RAC. Many are saying the teams woes so far this season are because of RAC. That is a huge swing in less than a full seasons worth of games.
While I like RAC, I have never been sold on him as a head coach (i cant believe I am going to say this but ...here goes)
RAC needs to finish the season as head coach of this team if this organization is to going get up off the mat and start being a winner. He has to get these guys ready to win one game next week and get into the bye without having to scrap the whole season or else we could be in really big trouble.
Many of us said this team could be a better team this year and have a much less impressive of a record at the end of the year. This team has to fight each week and improve even if the result is less that the lofty expectations placed on them. BE is right.....there are 13 games left.
I dont believe RAC is our coach of the future but I dont questions who the coach should be the rest of the season.
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The Coaches I would like to see brought in are:
1) Marty Schottenheimer- Not winning the big win....Well at least he could get us there..
2) Rex Ryan- I know he is a coordinator but look how well the Ravens Defense has played. Look at their blitz packages, coverages...etc I know I wouldn't mind seeing those here
3) Dick LeBeau- He has some head coaching experiences and he usually puts together some good defenses.
For some Reason I really like Rex Ryan but then again we have a problem of no head coaching exp but looking at his defense it seems that it is disciplined and always plays well, and from the way everyone talks it seems as if it is Rex Ryan's defense with Ravens head coach interfering very little. It seems pretty clear that the defense of the patriots was more Bill B. than cRAC. Anyone else have opinion on Rex Ryan?
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I want Rex Ryan.
He's realistic and probably the best candidate out there. And the dude can sculpt a defense. He comes from the Ravens, so Savage probably knows him. I would have no problems with Rex Ryan.
you had a good run Hank.
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I understand your point...really, I do, but not many have won Superbowls with 2 teams.
I admit..I am ready for a Superbowl win...anything less really doesn't thrill me.
Being ticked or disappointed 2 games in to the season or on the entire leagues last game really doesn't make much difference to me....it is simple a delay in the process.
Win the damn Superbowl or come home a failure.
I just have this thing....2nd isn't important.
But that is just my opinion.
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i like both of the ryans. i think we could get rob for DC, i'm sure he hates working for the raider organization. rex was looking for a HC job over the last offseason.
under no circumstance would i want billick. ever.
no coaching changes during the season though, please. i think you have to totally lose your locker room to warrant that.
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I want Rex Ryan.
He's realistic and probably the best candidate out there. And the dude can sculpt a defense. He comes from the Ravens, so Savage probably knows him. I would have no problems with Rex Ryan.
I will admit, I think I could be sold on this guy. Generally speaking, I have been on the train of "we need someone with HC experience." Ryan seems like he "gets it." But he is with the Ravens, and I don't have enough info yet (aka the only teams asst coaches I follow are ours).
the coaching change is gonna be a lot different this time. Butch and Romeo have gotten "mulligans." They came into crappy situations where they were given time to "turn it around." The next guy who comes in here is gonna have 3x the pressure that Butch and Romeo have had. We need someone who is ready for those expectations. Not saying they are ready, ACTUALLY READY. We have the talent, and we will have more help on the defensive side (draft and FA) by the time we break for camp next year.
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I am just watching all the pressers from yesterday and today and something RAC said that gave me shivers and then a bad feeling in my gut. "We are going to have to do alot better or this things is really going to get away from us" It immedidately made me think of the Palmer "runaway train" comment. Just the way it was delivered. I hope that RAC can right the ship 
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Was just throwing names out there to see what people thought, and yes some weren't very successful.
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Nowhere but here is the saying more true that the grass is always greener on the other side of the hill.
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Nowhere but here is the saying more true that the grass is always greener on the other side of the hill.
Green at all would be greener. We aren't setting the bar to high with that one.
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I am just watching all the pressers from yesterday and today and something RAC said that gave me shivers and then a bad feeling in my gut.
"We are going to have to do alot better or this things is really going to get away from us"
It immedidately made me think of the Palmer "runaway train" comment. Just the way it was delivered. I hope that RAC can right the ship
I wouldnt bet on it, he was also talking about how this isn't last year....
Did he and this team just figure the fact out that last years wins MEAN NOTHING? Did they think teams were gonna lie down for the? Heck Fraley said he thought theyd be 3-0 by now.
I'm lost right now with this team, things are worse than I thought, things are gonna get even worse. The players love RAC b/c he's too loyal, too respectful of them, there comes a time when a boss, father figure, etc...has to lay down the law, that time has long passed.
After that presser....its all over folks.
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Well, I've always like RAC, Always liked the way he handles the media, and handles himself as a person. I always believe a team need consistancy in the organization to be sucessfull. so always backed him as our Head Coach, but the tide is starting to turn, I'm starting to 2nd guess if this isnt the time to lure Cowher in, If Bill wants to coach again next season is the time, two years out of coaching he should be getting the itch. I'm sorry RAC, you've had your chance and did what you could.
but what do we do if Cowhler dosent want the job. ?
we've tried the college coach and set us back 10 years, Marty is common guys a one - two year stop gap coach, he's too old, Love the guy but that era is over. who is out thier, I really dont wnat a retread fired NFL coach and NO Tressel is not gonna leave OSU.
So we might be stuck with RAC
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Ummm... I think that comment was correct...
He is not giving up at all... But if we go 0-4, its gonna be really hard to contend and try to make the playoffs.
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