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http://www.ohio.com/sports/28438799.htmli know the board has mixed feelings about pat, and i used to like him. but i really do think he should be fired for this piece. Quote:
Forget Browns angst: Go with Steelers
Coach Crennel leaves self open to question
By Patrick McManamon
Beacon Journal sports columnist
Published on Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008
Adopt the Steelers.
Embrace them. Mentally, at least. Bring them into the family and accept them and deal with them as part of your life.
Because the Browns have not given anyone a reason to embrace them, not since their return in 1999.
The Browns have had two good seasons. They reached the playoffs once, then a month later they blew up the team and that was the end of that.
Last season, the Browns went 10-6 and raised hopes for this year. Contract extensions were given out like Halloween candy.
Now, self-adoring ''stars,'' injuries, poor play, lack of depth and some downright inexplicable in-game decisions have the Browns losers of two games in a row at home.
This team that wanted to be an elite team?
It got embarrassed, twice, and showed an amazingly shallow recognition of some fundamental facts.
Let's consider one play — and yes, there are many from which to pick — and that's the fake onside/bloop kickoff following the field goal that made the deficit Sunday night against the Steelers 10-6.
The Browns did not line up properly. League rules call for at least four guys on each side of the ball. It's a safety thing.
The Browns didn't have the correct number.
This had to be something they practiced, prepared and planned on using.
Which means they didn't line up right through their preparations.
The Steelers, meanwhile, showed a clear understanding of the rules. When the Steelers saw the bloop kick, they signaled for a fair catch, a smart play that takes away the possibility of the kickoff team blowing up the receiver and recovering a fumble.
Adopt the Steelers.
Make them . . . ahem . . . ummm . . . yours? Heck, they do play the game the way the team in Cleveland played it a decade or two or three ago.
Just adopt the Steelers. It will eliminate all this angst about personnel and coaching decisions.
When coach Romeo Crennel got his contract extension in the offseason,
he said it meant he had better win this year.
I thought it was odd to be giving extensions to guys with two years left on their deal after one good year and two bad ones. But the Browns chose to do it. They have this habit of doing it, too. They gave an extension to Butch Davis after he had gone 5-11.
There's no security like coaching for the Browns.
Now people want Crennel's head. Fire him, they cry.
What sense does it make to fire a guy after you've extended his contract, and how in the world would it help to start over again? Again?
Crennel is the team's coach, and barring further meltdown, which does appear possible, he will be the coach in December and January.
After the season, who knows?
But that doesn't mean the coach has not left himself open to question. He has had three important times to choose between a field goal or a first down in the first two games, and every time he chose the opposite of the way I would have chosen.
The decision against the Cowboys, going for a field goal down 21 with 10 minutes left, I can't defend.
The decision at the end of the half against the Steelers? I disagree, but another football guy said that a coach has to know his team, and maybe Crennel felt that was his best chance to seize the momentum and take advantage of a scoring chance when conditions were hostile to scoring. OK, but I still would have kicked.
The decision in the fourth quarter Sunday night? OK, maybe. But bottom line is that with or without that field goal, Crennel was asking his defense to stop Pittsburgh and his offense to score a touchdown. I'd have tried for the first down.
It's a funny thing.
Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan went for two after a late touchdown Sunday, because he did not have confidence his defense could stop the San Diego Chargers in overtime.
Crennel did not go for it, because he had confidence in his defense.
Look who's the goat.
Crennel clearly is not helping his cause. And his players are not helping Crennel. They did not, as they say, have his back in either game.
We always hear that teams lose as a team. Well, the Browns have lost twice as a team. The decisions were odd. There were stupid penalties. The secondary is bereft, as is receiving depth. (The Steelers bring in Santonio Holmes, the Browns, Syndric Steptoe). The offensive line has not played up to last season's standard. The quarterback is uncertain. And the (alleged) standout wide receiver is too busy hosting celebrities and driving 120 mph to catch passes.
With the exception of Kellen Winslow and Jamal Lewis, who on the offense can be highlighted?
Enough of trying to push this rock up the hill. The Browns simply have not given anyone — from the guy watching TV in the living room to the people paying for all those club seats — anything on which to hang their hats.
It's time to adopt a team that plays hard, plays well and plays smart. A team that competes and understands the league and conducts itself like a real NFL team.
Adopt the Steelers.
Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/.
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If I'm Pat's boss, I'll tell him I expect his resignation notice on my desk by noon.
That means he has 10 minutes to do it and clear out his personal belongings.
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I think the article is telling the truth....well, not the part about becoming a Steelers fan but how we are so poorly run it's embarrassing. I want to be mad at the Steelers for Sunday night but I can't. It's all on the Browns for their failure. The Steelers gave us the opportunities to win but when it came time to make the play they just sat back and let us beat ourselves. And after the craptastic decision to kick a FG against the Boys...I have lost what remaining confidence in RAC I had. Quote:
Embrace them. Mentally, at least. Bring them into the family and accept them and deal with them as part of your life.
Because the Browns have not given anyone a reason to embrace them, not since their return in 1999.
I think the article is proving a point and not calling for fan defection. "Go with the Steelers" is just saying, they're smart and we aren't. We want to believe this team is getting better since 1999 but they aren't. Something is wrong with this franchise. We can't seem to get out of our own way. Poor draft decisions, injuries, choking in big games, coaches that don't even know the rules, giving up while the game can still be won and all the losing. He's only saying this is a massive low point. And we all had hopes to be 2-0 and on our way to a great season........and they're breaking our heart again.
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Ehh... OooKaaay... I would venture a guess that not even the most vocal of the critics around here would be willing to "adopt" Pittsburgh as THEIR team. I may or may not agree with some of what he says in the body of the article, but this is a dumb premise from which to work.  If that's what he wants, then have at it. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out, Pat. 
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Good article....I agree with just about all of it...the adopting part is more symbolic in the meaning.....like maybe more fans need to expect something better than we have received rather than a ragtag bunch led by a goofball.
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Pat is not saying "become" a Steelers fan...he's just making a point...i'm sure some feather will get ruffled....unfortunatley, line after line, is pretty much the truth.
It's sucks that the Browns give writers the kind of ammunition that they do...
It's quite sad and I think years and years of fan abuse by the Browns is boiling over now because they fans, media...heck everybody sees all the talent on this team and they know for the first time in so many years.....we should be winning and we aren't.........and thats so much worse than the losing seasons since '99. Expectations by the fans and media have been crushed by this team, and add on top of that losing AGAIN to the Steelers....
I'd say Browns fans deserve to be ticked off....and again....the article isn't cool but its mostly truth.
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Good article....I agree with just about all of it...the adopting part is more symbolic in the meaning.....like maybe more fans need to expect something better than we have received rather than a ragtag bunch led by a goofball.
I agree....However I do take exception to a particular point in his rant.....The Steelers bring in Santonio Holmes and we bring in Syndric Steptoe.....
WTF????
I mean really...like the Browns looked in their magic crystal ball and said gee...I think Steptoe would be the best thing since sliced bread as our #2....The plan was to have Edwards, Stallworth and Jurevicous. Steptoe ended up plan G. Lets see what the Steelers would do should Holmes, Sweed, and Washington go lame. You think Dallas Baker is going to make people forget a healthy Stallworth or Joe J??? Because that is the comparison Pat Mac is making.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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What, we coulda brought in Stallwaorthlessness....guy is a weenie...you don't get cut from 2 playoff teams in consecutive years if you can play. Nope Stallworth is a slot WR in you don't have anybody else. Philly was desperate for WR, and they didn't bring him back.....most overated pickup in Browns history, guy won't be what most thought...if he "recovers" from his "injuries"...groin, err....hammy, errr....quad.
Gaffney and Washington passed him up last season in NE....
Either way we shoulda brought another WR in...we simply need Joe back ASAP...
I'm tired of Browns fans getting ticked at the media be berating us...hhhhmmmm they can't do that unless the Browns give'em reason too.
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i know the board has mixed feelings about pat, and i used to like him. but i really do think he should be fired for this piece.
You do realize that Pat has already been let go by the ABJ, right?
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You do realize that Pat has already been let go by the ABJ, right?
When did this happen?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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You do realize that Pat has already been let go by the ABJ, right?
When did this happen?
Could've sworn I read somewhere yesterday that the ABJ was cutting down to save money and that Pat's column was among those cut, though it's not effective immediately. Maybe I'm mistaken.
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That is not the point Z...The point is Pat Mac is comparing our Plan G #2 receiver vs their Plan A #2 receiver...and if it is reversed...I don't think Dallas Baker holds a candle to Stallworth regardless of how bad Stallworth might be perceived...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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I know he was going to get laid off last year because of cost cuts, but then they kept him. With Pluto gone, I think he's in charge of the sports, IIRC.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Hines Ward is still their go-to WR in the when it matters....the point he's making is we have no depth at all, and that Steptoe shouldnt even be on an NFL field as a WR....Steptoe hasnt proven him wrong.
We should found somebody else along time ago, we shoulda got another Cb, Foxworth, Deltha O'Neal...but we didn't and when you come out of presser hearing that their "happy with what they got" and then proceed to lose....you have writers writing like this.
I for one, really don't care what is written, but i won't say its not true and maybe good for a few people to read.
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I know he was going to get laid off last year because of cost cuts, but then they kept him. With Pluto gone, I think he's in charge of the sports, IIRC.
they wanted to lay people off, and because of his stint with the browns, he had the least amount of seniority.
he has been retained tho.
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If I'm Pat's boss, I'll tell him I expect his resignation notice on my desk by noon.
That means he has 10 minutes to do it and clear out his personal belongings.
If your going to fire someone...it has to be the editor....that guy may have wrote it...but someone higher up the food chain ok'd it.
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He was laid off years ago when new management came in and made cuts. The cuts were based on seniority. That's when he went to work for the mothership, writing for clevelandbrowns.com.
He left the team gig and was hired back recently (within the last 2 years) and they are now trying to fill the void left by Pluto putting him into more of Pluto's old editorial role.
I don't know of any changes brought up recently or any going forward.
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Actually, it was going to the Browns that lost him his seniority that he'd built up with the Beacon Journal. The gig with the Browns didn't work out as he hoped and when he went back to ABJ he fell prey to the lay-off by virture of not having that seniority.
I didn't like this article myself. But I do realize that he is a big Browns fan and was just trying to ruffle some feathers as someone said earlier.
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Gotcha. Thanks for the correction. 
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Pat wants Crennel fired?
I'd think Crennel would have the same to say about him. Reminds me of someone I know who ticked me off Sunday night.
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I know he was going to get laid off last year because of cost cuts, but then they kept him. With Pluto gone, I think he's in charge of the sports, IIRC.
they wanted to lay people off, and because of his stint with the browns, he had the least amount of seniority.
he has been retained tho.
I actually found the link. As of September 16th according to his blog, he is indeed being let go.
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/
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Finally … a personal note … the Beacon-Journal has again decided to lay off employees. This time, five reporters are on the list, me being one of them. The outrage is that this calls into question the long-term future of this brog. Layoffs take effect in 60 days. While I certainly hope things change in that time, I can only promise this clog will be around until Nov. 15. Questions may be directed toward your local Sta-Puf Marshmallow Man.
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Pat McNanobrain is a feminine hygiene product.
He always has been a feminine hygiene product.
Does anyone remember his 'first and ten's where he would muse about his everyday experiences? They just made him sound like a sheltered college freshman that was out of the house experiencing mundane situations for the first time.
I hope this pudwhacker won't be covering Cleveland sports ever again.
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Ballpean's right, the Steelers thing is just driving the point, not literal. I can certainly relate to his anger and frustration and he makes the points (except that who Steptoe/Holmes thing). I think it's actually a good article. Brother's pist. So many journalists in Cleveland are so above it and cynical, at least he feels it. I'm not a Pat Mac fan but I like this article.
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I hate the article... not because of what it said, but because of its basic quality. For God's sake- it's featured in a commercial publication that requires people to actually pay money for it to land on their doorstep.... this time, in the form of a big, steaming lump.
Maybe I'm from a different time and/or place, but I want a paid professional to sound at least a little more elevated than the average message-board poster on an emotional rant. If I want "more of the same," I'll just simply log onto this board more times per day. At least when I come here, I'll know that the site I've visited cost me no more than the price of my monthly internet contract.
I for one, expect more from "journalists" who are actually paid money to do this sort of thing.
I've read better blog entries than this on free websites... yet the (paying) subscribership wakes up to their first cup-a-joe, rifles to the Sports section, and sees this level of stuff, as they try to start their day?
It ain't so much the message, as it is the low-class manner in which it was delivered. It drives to the root of our "lowest common denominator," preys on our emotions, and "bottom-feeds" for attaboys from those who are already in the amen corner.
...And people actually pay out cash money to read it.
To me, it's the journalistic equivalent of selling crack to junkies on a streetcorner. Crank hard on that joint that can't get off.... there's money to be made.
A pathetic waste of ink, tree pulp and electronic bandwidth.
Thanks for playing, Pat.
Try again.
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you are right clem...its just not that well written. and you miss that because you are so busy being disgusted by its premise.
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You've summed it up very eloquently.
I would suggest that you send that post to Pat Mac as a reply to the article...
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I would suggest that you send that post to Pat Mac as a reply to the article...
*click*
Done.
Thanks for the suggestion, Shep. I feel much better now.
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Come on Clem ... everyone knows that "journalistic integrity" is an oxy-moron.  
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the point he's making is we have no depth at all, and that Steptoe shouldnt even be on an NFL field as a WR....Steptoe hasnt proven him wrong.
Then the point he is making should not be comparing Steptoe to Holmes. Because Steptoe compares to Baker in the pecking order. The only reason he is playing at #2 is because of the guys in front of him being hurt. My point is still standing that Pat Mac IS WRONG. How can you defend otherwise....Do you honestly believe the Browns WANT Steptoe as their first option at the #2 WR???? I think they are happy they have a guy like him to fall back on...but by no means would they have wanted this as a first option....Holmes (who Pat Mac is comparing him to) is Pitt's first option for the #2 receiver. His comparison is bad and it is wrong....
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We should found somebody else along time ago, we shoulda got another Cb, Foxworth, Deltha O'Neal...but we didn't and when you come out of presser hearing that their "happy with what they got" and then proceed to lose....you have writers writing like this.
Oh right, because it is just that easy...and these guys would fit right in and would be light years better than what we have now.....Come on......we all know htere is alot more to it than just picking guys out of a lineup. There are Cap figures both present and future. There are team dynamics, there is just plain evaluation of talent.
And they made the determination that what they could bring in.....their improvement...if any...would not be worth the cost. Plain and simple...so what else are they going to say....Are they going to continually say they are desperately looking for certain positions and crush the confidence of guys who are already here....what if they do that and can't find anyone...the guys we have still have to go out and play. Good thing their confidence has been smashed because they know the team has no confidence in them...they get disgruntled and want a fresh start somewhere else....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Good article....I agree with just about all of it...the adopting part is more symbolic in the meaning.....like maybe more fans need to expect something better than we have received rather than a ragtag bunch led by a goofball.
Completely 100% accurate.
While it's true injuries have really hurt cohesion and continuity, Crennel looks overmatched as he has in years past, and Edwards embraces his fame harder than he does his football. It shows.
The "embracing Steelers" theme is symbolic, nothing more. So why the heavy reactions? Because the symbolism hits a little too close to home, and we don't like to have the truth rubbed in our faces.
We're a floudering team out of the gate. There are some legit reasons for that (injuries) and some that aren't (ineptitude). The question really becomes can we put it together fast enough to make a difference this year, or are some of the people that we're supposed to trust not worthy of it?
One thing that I don't agree with is the play of our O-line. They played very well against the Steelers. Unfortunately, with the way our line is built, we can't run unless we can simultaneously pass. We're a finesse offense, not a bruising one, so one hand has to wash the other. In that regard, we're identical to the Bengals offense. Note how they struggle with the run when they don't have success throwing the ball.
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Why are you wasting your brea...fingers...Toad...fans don't wanna hear it because it does hit close to home... so its dismissed as a guy that doesn't know what hes talking about.....when you dont agree...call it dumb...and then call that logic...(football minded)....  Then it turns into this big deal about becoming a Steelers fan...unfortunatley that stupid article, while it hurts is right...if it was as off base as some say...we wouldnt have a bunch of posts on it.
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Have you actually read what the posts say?
It doesn't appear that you have, so please enlighten me.
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he shouldn't have left, knowing the fact the beacon is a union paper, but I also blame the union and its seniority structure. I hate unions and think most of them should be abolished.
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You ask that question an awful lot.
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It's a little too early for Pat M to go off on a tirade like that. The Steelers are a sound team, and with better coaching, we would have beat them. No reason for him to throw the entire team under the bus. I predict that once the season is over Pat M is gonna look back on that article and feel quite stupid.
Also, he needs to understand that the Browns team of decades ago doesn't play here anymore. We kept the colors, and tradition -thank God, but, we didn't keep the most important part- the team. - That Browns team won the Superbowl in 2000 as a direct result of the developing it had been doing for over 50 years.
We're an expansion team. The most recent expansion team to win the Superbowl was the Tampa Bay Bucs, who started in 1976 and didn't win until 2002. - Just think how much better the competition is now versus the competition the Bucs faced for 26 years. - Give the Browns a break. We still win this division.
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Do you ever read before you make a response?
You ask that question an awful lot.
Actually I believe I've written it about 3 times now in 2008, is that a lot???
I've read this guy's posts of late and wondered. I already know you don't read before replying most of the time, that is apparent.
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Good article....I agree with just about all of it...the adopting part is more symbolic in the meaning.....like maybe more fans need to expect something better than we have received rather than a ragtag bunch led by a goofball.
Completely 100% accurate.
While it's true injuries have really hurt cohesion and continuity, Crennel looks overmatched as he has in years past, and Edwards embraces his fame harder than he does his football. It shows.
The "embracing Steelers" theme is symbolic, nothing more. So why the heavy reactions? Because the symbolism hits a little too close to home, and we don't like to have the truth rubbed in our faces.
We're a floudering team out of the gate. There are some legit reasons for that (injuries) and some that aren't (ineptitude). The question really becomes can we put it together fast enough to make a difference this year, or are some of the people that we're supposed to trust not worthy of it?
One thing that I don't agree with is the play of our O-line. They played very well against the Steelers. Unfortunately, with the way our line is built, we can't run unless we can simultaneously pass. We're a finesse offense, not a bruising one, so one hand has to wash the other. In that regard, we're identical to the Bengals offense. Note how they struggle with the run when they don't have success throwing the ball.
here is where the article is off base. he comes to the conclusion that the browns are an awful organization with bad coaching and bad depth. ok, his points are right...then what? as fans of the browns, we are never going to STOP being fans of the browns. his point that you should move to the steelers is stupid, and as fans of the browns we will never stop being fans...thats not how it works....so he makes these points and says we should quit being browns fans...and if his point is symbolic, what as fans, are we supposed to do? call for the resignation of the coach? boo? because we already do that.
pat's article seems to berate fans for rooting for the browns, and that is an awful place to come from as a football writer. come down on the team, not the fans who root for them, by saying that the team is not worth rooting for.
Every Cleveland fan is a diehard fan...everyone else quit watching
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His point is NOT to stop being Browns fans...his point is how poorly we stack up against the Steelers...in everyway. And yes this organization is not the smoothest running around....whos the head of this team? Who are the leaders? Do we have an even compitent HC? Of course fans dont want to hear about this, or read the article, especially those RAC apologists, who now feel very threatened, heck, maybe even WRONG!  Pat is not a blue chip writer, but he's got a point, and if you live in Cleveland then you know his feelings are shared by many Browns fans, especially the ones that have to deal with Steelers fans alot. The Browns reflect our city, its not right, but sports do. Theres lots of angry folks, that cant take off their Brownie sunglasses and admit they are wrong about some things on this team, so this article makes them pretty mad.....and how do many respond..."your dumb", "you always have stupid posts", "I don't even read your posts"....soon as something hits the mark...BOOM..... His point is this team needs to beat the steelers and stop folding, losing, being a big fat disapointment to fans,and if that doesn't happen, then there has to changes startin at the top... .....but again...boy does that stick a bur in some posters fur.
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