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Browns could be tolerable next year Monday, January 15, 2007 BROWNS BEAT STEVE DOERSCHUK NFL teams that are El Stinko one year are likely enough to be lousy the next. The Lions went from 5-11 in 2005 to 3-13 in ’06. The Raiders went from 4-12 to 2-14. The Cardinals repeated a 5-11 year. Your Cleveland Browns skidded from 6-10 to 4-12. Losers who made strides — but joined Cleveland on the postseason sideline — included the Texans (2-14 to 6-10), 49ers (4-12 to 7-9), Bills (5-11 to 7-9), Packers (4-12 to 8-8) and Titans (4-12 to 8-8). The latter group represents the kind of progress the Browns should avoid selling to their fans. There have been too many years of lakefront losing, and there are too many examples of dramatic turnarounds, to make preaching patience more palatable than slop. 2006 role models There have been too many one-year U-turns. The best from 2005 to 2006 were by the: n Saints, 3-13 to 10-6. n Jets, 4-12 to 10-6. n Eagles, 6-10 to 10-6. n Ravens, 6-10 to 13-3. They all had their LeCharles Bentleys, but got better. The Saints and Jets were stuck with new guys who had no head coaching experience. The Eagles wound up with Browns castoff Jeff Garcia doing Donovan McNabb’s job. Baltimore faced age and coaching issues, fired a coordinator in-season, and lost stalwart guard Edwin Mulitalo early. It’s not as if 2005-06 was an anomaly. In 2004, the Bears, Bucs, Giants and Panthers went a combined 23-41. In 2005, those teams were 44-20. The Browns can argue their foundation was more fouled up than any of the turnaround teams listed here, and others not listed. Or they can put it the way Marty Schottenheimer was never afraid to when he was in Cleveland. They can say they’re working toward a championship. Now. And they can sound as if they mean it. what needs to happen A few key elements could change the status of the Browns from often unwatchable to available for viewing in mid-January. First, fix the offensive line. Maybe that fixes Charlie Frye. Two for the price of one. No one needs a tough young starting guard more than Cleveland. Phil Savage should get his pal, Kirk Ferentz, to put in a good word with Iowa Hawkeye-turned Cincinnati Bengal Eric Steinbach. Steinbach is a free agent guard who would make a difference in Cleveland right now. In the draft, if Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas is available at the No. 3 or No. 4 spot, pick him, and say amen. With Bentley likely out for 2007, re-sign Hank Fraley. Reuben Droughns and Frye aren’t LaDainian Tomlinson and Philip Rivers. But maybe they’d be factors behind a new line, in an offense that acknowledged it spent two monster draft picks on receivers, with a new coordinator. The new coordinator won’t be a no-brainer pick whose name makes you say wow. Greg Knapp looks like a good choice, if the Browns can entice him. He’s at a good age, 43. He learned under Mike Shanahan and Bill Walsh. He was a coordinator with mobile quarterbacks Jeff Garcia and Michael Vick in San Francisco and Atlanta. He’d be a match for Frye with a sense for how to max out Braylon Edwards’ and Kellen Winslow’s catch-and-run skills. It’s common knowledge in the league that if you go to Cleveland, there’s a good chance you’ll be working for a head coach other than Romeo Crennel by 2008, assuming you can stay on under the next head coach . Knapp needs a job, and his options are limited. Randy Lerner’s wallet can make Cleveland his best option. On defense, one or two new players are needed to rotate in a three-man line. A starting cornerback opposite Leigh Bodden must be found. The early inclination would be to pick the best 3-4 defensive lineman available in Round 2, after getting an able body from free agency. Chasing cornerback Nate Clements in free agency is easy, if Buffalo doesn’t slap the franchise tag on him. Savage got players with Cleveland ties to jump to the Browns in 2005. Clements is an Ohio State Buckeye via Shaker Heights. Sure, it’s dreaming to think things will come down exactly this way. But it’s an example of a plausible plan. Probably, the deep thinkers in Berea can come up with a better one. No matter how it shakes out, Mr. Lerner and Mr. Savage should plan not to ask for too much patience from you. Or do I have it all wrong, and you’re just brimming with tolerance after teams like the Jets and Saints marched into the playoffs? [image]  [/image]
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It’s common knowledge in the league that if you go to Cleveland, there’s a good chance you’ll be working for a head coach other than Romeo Crennel by 2008, assuming you can stay on under the next head coach
Not sure how this can be when 2007 hasn't even played out yet. Sheesh.
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Since 1999?YES I'M curious about Knapp as offensive cordinator, Says he has experience in the WCO and maybe we will finally have a idenity of offense. But i bet its gonna be hard to get a good Offensive Cordinator here when they are assuming if we don't do decent that they will be job hunting again at the end of the year. With the way we go through coaches and assistents. [image] [/image]
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The Browns can argue their foundation was more fouled up than any of the turnaround teams listed here, and others not listed.
No need to argue, it's a fact.
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First, fix the offensive line. Maybe that fixes Charlie Frye. Two for the price of one.
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It’s common knowledge in the league that if you go to Cleveland, there’s a good chance you’ll be working for a head coach other than Romeo Crennel by 2008, assuming you can stay on under the next head coach .
Can't argue with this, as it is probably true unfortunately.
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Knapp needs a job, and his options are limited. Randy Lerner’s wallet can make Cleveland his best option.
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Or do I have it all wrong, and you’re just brimming with tolerance after teams like the Jets and Saints marched into the playoffs?
The article was fine until I read this, what a jackass. You said it yourself we had less to work with than those teams! You should never HAVE to ask for patience from your fans, but in our case we have no choice, and this writer suggesting that we should become impatient is a JOKE 
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Saints, 3-13 to 10-6.
n Jets, 4-12 to 10-6.
n Eagles, 6-10 to 10-6.
n Ravens, 6-10 to 13-3.
They all had their LeCharles Bentleys, but got better.
Well Jets lost Curtis Martin...last year so that was a total incorrect statement. And he was old news.
Saints...sorry who what top player did they lose in training camp?...oh Joe Horn in n out the later part of the season....WR? WR don't compare to our only ProBowler OL...errr make it anything that we got.
Eagles...yep they lost McNabb...good thing they got an OL for Westbrook and what a season Garcia had...friggen media talking about McNabb losing his job...lol  how fickle they are...Eagles lose and are out Garcia is an after thought to them.
Garcia was a 3 time Pro-Bowler in the system that he was known for. Fraley was good but can't remember him being mentioned as a Pro-Bowler and thought the change in system was his biggest difficulty this year.
Ravens...who did they lose?
no comparison but all in all we were none of those teams in frame work of foundational players. Maybe Jets was closest to us...but then again we beat them.
There's a good chance of working for another coach other than RAC in 08??? Guess that is true if the team is losing still after 07...good possibility.
But wouldn't that stand for any Coach after 3 years coming on board...you want to see improvement of record. I hope we stick with RAC especially if we just have a 8-8 season. But if we have 6-10 or less yes we can assume RAC is gone.
Dolphins got a new coach after 2 years (he quit). Green got what 3 years? Mora?
If RAC was a young up n comer I can possibly expect maybe we mature with him like a Cowher with the Steelers but I doubt RAC would be here if we lose out again in 07.
But they are saying Knapp wouldn't come here cause RAC maybe gone by 08 and assume you would be there under the next coach...Well is that a negative for Knapp or a positive. Wouldn't he have to be considered as a possible candidate for HC and maybe get the inside run on it??? It doesn't automatically become a negative...
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The biggest difference in the Jets and Saints...the QB.
Aaron Brooks was dreadful. Pennington was out and the Jets had Brooks freaking Bollinger starting for them.
Maybe Brees wouldn't have put up the numbers he put up behind our line, but I guarantee we would have won more games with him as a QB than with Charlie "chicken with his head cut off" Frye.
Pennington was comeback player of the year. He's always been solid.
Good QB's make average teams good, while bad QB's make average teams bad. I think we fall under that average category, especially with the talent infusion from last year.
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Chasing cornerback Nate Clements in free agency is easy, if Buffalo doesn’t slap the franchise tag on him. Savage got players with Cleveland ties to jump to the Browns in 2005. Clements is an Ohio State Buckeye via Shaker Heights.
the wrote into his contract that they wouldn't slap the franchise tag on him...
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But they are saying Knapp wouldn't come here cause RAC maybe gone by 08 and assume you would be there under the next coach...Well is that a negative for Knapp or a positive. Wouldn't he have to be considered as a possible candidate for HC and maybe get the inside run on it??? It doesn't automatically become a negative...
I think it may be Knapp not wanting to get run when a new different type of coach does come in here. But maybe he isn't trying to get a HC job , I have no idea why he wouldn't want to be a HC. 
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All is of that is plausible.
I say do it.
10 wins sounds like a good start for next year.
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it is a shame that we have to resort to claiming we stunk worse than they stunk before this past season...to justify being loust one more year.
our FO has to break the bank and make some tremendous signing strides before we accept any excuses concerning a below average FA market.
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I dont like the word TOLERABLE, unless it's attached to 99% of all the articals written by the negative media in Cleveland.....well STEVE DOERSCHUK when the Browns turn this thing around maybe us fans will be TOLERABLE of your articals where you write you always new we'd win.....
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There have been too many one-year U-turns. The best from 2005 to 2006 were by the:
n Saints, 3-13 to 10-6.
n Jets, 4-12 to 10-6.
n Eagles, 6-10 to 10-6.
n Ravens, 6-10 to 13-3.
They all had their LeCharles Bentleys, but got better.
I see people are taking Steve to task for this. Yeah guys.......we all know that the Browns would have made the playoffs too if Bentley didn't get hurt.
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With Bentley likely out for 2007, re-sign Hank Fraley.
That would be wise. Oh.........it's funny how people aren't going saying it is a lie or misleading when someone says Bentley probably won't play in 2007.  Of course, they've moved on to other things. They'll forget those too when they come true.
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Yeah.............he's gone. Savage has set him up big time and most of the fans will buy right into it.
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Or do I have it all wrong, and you’re just brimming with tolerance after teams like the Jets and Saints marched into the playoffs?
Well, some of us agree, but as you can see by the posts on this thread......like the circus guy said............."there's a seat for every ass hole." 
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Maybe Brees wouldn't have put up the numbers he put up behind our line, but I guarantee we would have won more games with him as a QB than with Charlie "chicken with his head cut off" Frye.
Ammo...and how about 3 time Pro Bowl QB, Jeff Garcia?
Garcia looked very much like Frye did behind the Browns Oline. Garcia's Oline with the 2004 Browns was better than the Oline Frye played behind this year.
What happened to Garcia's numbers when he played behind a very good offensive line in Philly vs when he played behind the Browns Oline in 2004?
Garcia returned to his pro bowl like numbers and the Eagles won.
As for Brees playing behind our offensive line, he probably would "not" have finished the season playing behind our Oline. The Browns oline gave up 54 sacks this past season while Brees was sacked only 18 times this season.
Ammo...the Browns offensive problems do not center on who is our QB but the quality of our offensive line, trying to protect the QB.
Trashing Frye because your a Troy Smith pimp does not help the Browns get better next season and beyond.
Building a stronger Oline via the draft so our QB can perform better makes more sense.
Why does focusing on the Oline make more sense?
If the Browns build a stronger offensive line, not only the QB benefits, but the RBs, WRs and TEs...that's why.
With our Browns, it's still about the offensive line, not the QB.
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as well they should .. this is a HORSE$HIT article .. this guys STINKS .. his sir name should be Steve DUSHBAGawitzc .... *L*
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I don't know, man. There are plenty of teams that improve greatly in a year. And many more if they have two years. All I know is that we keep losing and I'm real tired of us firing coaches and then hearing the new guys complain about having to start over. LOL.......look at that statement again. You know it's true and it's also crazy. Btw......you were too positive on your Season in Review thread. 
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-- Saints, 3-13 to 10-6.
-- Jets, 4-12 to 10-6.
-- Eagles, 6-10 to 10-6.
-- Ravens, 6-10 to 13-3.
I LOVE these "one-year turnaround" arguments. The problem is, I haven't see one yet that takes into account the whole story:
Saints: 8-8 the year before, 3-13 to 10-6
Jets: 10-6 the year before, 4-12 to 10-6
Eagles: 13-3 the year before, 6-10 to 10-6
Ravens: 9-7 the year before, 6-10 to 13-3
I hardly call those dramatic turnarounds. I call them dips in the road.
I still have yet to see anyone from the "teams change overnight" camp provide any evidence that it's possible to go from a complete rebuild to a playoff team overnight -- in a division where every other team is .500 or better -- in the salary cap era.
They way they talk, it happens all the time, but I hardly consider the Eagles a miraculous turnaround team for going from 6-10 to 10-6 -- when they went 13-3 the year before that and nearly won the Superbowl.
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Maybe Brees wouldn't have put up the numbers he put up behind our line, but I guarantee we would have won more games with him as a QB than with Charlie "chicken with his head cut off" Frye.
Ammo...and how about 3 time Pro Bowl QB, Jeff Garcia?
Garcia looked very much like Frye did behind the Browns Oline. Garcia's Oline with the 2004 Browns was better than the Oline Frye played behind this year.
What happened to Garcia's numbers when he played behind a very good offensive line in Philly vs when he played behind the Browns Oline in 2004?
Garcia returned to his pro bowl like numbers and the Eagles won.
As for Brees playing behind our offensive line, he probably would "not" have finished the season playing behind our Oline. The Browns oline gave up 54 sacks this past season while Brees was sacked only 18 times this season.
Ammo...the Browns offensive problems do not center on who is our QB but the quality of our offensive line, trying to protect the QB.
Trashing Frye because your a Troy Smith pimp does not help the Browns get better next season and beyond.
Building a stronger Oline via the draft so our QB can perform better makes more sense.
Why does focusing on the Oline make more sense?
If the Browns build a stronger offensive line, not only the QB benefits, but the RBs, WRs and TEs...that's why.
With our Browns, it's still about the offensive line, not the QB.
Did I say he would have made the Pro Bowl or had the outstanding year he had this year? Nope. Of course heavy O-line investment is very, very important, but having a great QB is equally as important as having a great line.
Kyle Boller had everything around him and he STILL sucked. So don't give me the "O-line makes a QB awesome" argument. It takes two to tango.
And about Garcia, he played like crap partially because the scheme wasn't designed to fit him as well as the line sucking. Once Robiskie's stubborn ass added in more rollouts and more plays designed to make use of his talents, he played much, MUCH better. Then the line went to hell due to injuries and that was all she wrote for him.
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and if Opie is doing his job ... we'll make SIGNIFICANT STRIDES over the next 3 years or so ONE STEP AT A TIME ... if not .. Opie will be gone ... Quote:
Btw......you were too positive on your Season in Review thread.
I'd ask u to go tell me why over there ... butt hen we'd just be having the same convo on 4 threads instead of 3 ... *LOL* ..
the part i find real funny bro .... u predicted 4 wins .. now your running around like the fools wondering why we didn't make a dramatic improvement RECORD WISE (and i know thats not what counts to u .. but u SURE USE IT ALOT IN YOUR ARGUMENTS .. *L*) .. I FIND THAT VERY AMUSING ..
and dont' bother .. I know what your gonna say ... JUST STOP USING THE RECORD CRAP AS A CRUTCH ... 
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But i bet its gonna be hard to get a good Offensive Cordinator here when they are assuming if we don't do decent that they will be job hunting again at the end of the year. With the way we go through coaches and assistents.
Why is that? If you can get a three year contract,why not? If you get fired after one year,you get three years pay for one years work and move on.
Sounds like a pretty good option in my book. When you get to the basics of business decisions,$$$$$$,it seems like this could be the perfect place to be. If you turn things around,you're an "instant guru" does wonders for your career. If the coach gets fired and you get tossed with him?
"Hey,I only had one season to try to shape things up,and then got caught up in a change of regimes"
I don't see the problem here.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Chasing cornerback Nate Clements in free agency is easy, if Buffalo doesn’t slap the franchise tag on him. Savage got players with Cleveland ties to jump to the Browns in 2005. Clements is an Ohio State Buckeye via Shaker Heights.
the wrote into his contract that they wouldn't slap the franchise tag on him...
Another local reporter does his homework.
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So the saying goes every year....than always before the season somehow ppl start thinking we can actually have a winning season just to be let down when the season ends once again....
Im sick of this crap.....i don't care what their record is next year as long as it's more than 8 wins...if they don't get 8 wins...which is probably closer to the truth...i won't kill myself cuz they had another losing season cuz deep down inside i know they won't already...there i said it...THEY WON'T! 
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the wrote into his contract that they wouldn't slap the franchise tag on him...
Another local reporter does his homework.
I don't know how the writter missed that. It was talked about several times when bringing up FA and Clements. My understanding was either they would secure a long term contract or they would shake hands and part ways...
I am just currious to see if they just wrote in there no franchise tag or no franchise and no transition tag.
Wouldn't that just [censored] off Clements if they forgot that verbage in the contract?  Probably not... unless he has the same agent as Cutt does
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I think the Browns will kick butt next year and win 13-16 games. How's that you negative nancys. I think we are making strides. I think the team has more talent on it than it has since we came back (crippled by the NFL and the horrible owners who made sure Cleveland wouldn't be competitive.) I see us getting better every year under opie. As a Browns fan I've ALWAYS had to be an optimist so why stop now? IF we tank next year than I'll have heartburn all year, but then maybe we get Cowher or better yet MARTY!!!! Until then I'll still say in RAC I trust. We have to give the guy a chance, with some talent on the field.
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