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Casino Issue To Be On Nov. 4 BallotCOLUMBUS, Ohio -- Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said backers of a proposed Ohio casino have collected enough valid signatures to put the issue on the Nov. 4 ballot. Voters will now decide whether to amend the Ohio Constitution to allow a casino resort off Interstate 71 near Wilmington in western Ohio. Backers of the project claim it would create at least 5,000 jobs and produce income for each of Ohio's 88 counties. Brunner determined on Thursday that the proposal contains at least 480,000 signatures, more than the required 402,275 needed to qualify for the ballot. The required total equals 10 percent of the ballots cast in the 2006 gubernatorial election. Brunner also denied a protest filed by a voter who claims that casino backers -- led by MyOhioNow.com -- failed to properly file the necessary forms. Copyright 2008 by . The Associated Press ** I know we have talked about this in the past, and once again it pops it's head up for another try. Where do you guys stand on this issue.
I for one would think this State and specifically NE Ohio could benefit immensely from a casino here in Cleveland. Put one here, the one off 71, and maybe one in middle or southern Ohio (C-Bus or Dayton/Cincy). Northern Ohioans can go to the surrounding States and Canada now. Southern Ohioans can hop the border to gamble already (and they do by the thousands), lets keep that money here!
Here it's no secret the city is in trouble both with the economy and down to it's roots. We already have some very nice attractions to bring in tourist dollars, such as the Rock Hall, the museums, and our sports teams to name a few. But that's the draw right now and it's not enough. Plus with the world class healthcare system that's based here we have a lot of money coming into town.
Now, add a casino downtown somewhere (you have a ton of options like the lakefront, the current convention center site, even say St Clair around the E.20-30th area and get rid of abandoned factories) and you have another attraction that people will most defiantly check out. Take it a step further and make it a hotel/casino/convention center and you have just killed 3 birds with one stone. You solve the convention center issue, you add more hotel rooms which is the reason why we can't attract things like political conventions, and a top notch attraction in the casino.
Have money coming in help the schools like the lottery does. A portion goes to city/state, and a portion for abuse treatment.
I mean it is insane how many Ohio plates (specifically ones with Cuyahoga/Lake/Geauga stickers) I see when we take a trip to Windsor/Niagara/Upstate NY to gamble. We need that money to stay put here so we can help ourselves. And of course it brings with it jobs to staff a casino, hotel, and the other places that will pop up around the site.
Opponents will always bring up added crime it brings. I am not going to lie and say I know for a fact that isn't true b/c I haven't researched it in depth, but I haven't heard about huge casino robberies or major crime around these places when I go there. Plus Cleveland has a ton of crime as it is so I don't think bringing a casino here will make anything worse. Maybe make the company that runs the place have their own police force or off-duty cops to make it nice and secure just like Vegas. Addiction is always raised and I think that is a very weak argument as well. We already have scratch off tickets available, online sites to gamble, and casino's are now just a short drive away. We are all adults here that are capable of making our own decisions. Plus you don't hear entire populations of Las Vegas in treatment or financial ruin b/c of the ease of gambling. 
Anyways, I think this issue is nothing but good for the area/State. Yes I know it isn't the end all/cure all of our problems here, but I think it is a start to start turning this thing around. What do you guys think??
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Please, God.... let it pass! Not that I would frequent them, but I don't see the big deal. If you don't agree with gambling, don't go! It's no different from gaining revenue from alchohol and tobacco, IMO.... Like you said, it's not a cure-all but it will help! YES on 6!!! (is that right) 
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I heard that in the fine print it says that they can pay 0% in tax to OHIO...what does that mean? i want more detail on this thing...can anyone provide me with their own opnion on this thing? i'm sick of watching lame commercials on the TV.
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Never heard that, to be fair I haven't read much on it.
Question: Does it cost tax money to build these places or is it the casino companies paying for it?
At the least it will bring jobs that we desperately need. Plus business around the casinos will profit... gas stations, restraunts, hotels, etc.
There have been rumors for years about one going up in Botkins... pretty much the middle of nowhere... I think it will help areas like that development a little more.
These are just my thoughts. I'd like to hear yours.... what's the down side?
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I know when I was home 3 weeks ago, I went down to mountaineer to play poker on 3 different occasions. Ohio needs to wake up. every state besides us has casinos with some form of gambling. I'm not sure if PA does, but I do know indiana, michigan, and west virgina all have it.
the cathlioc church needs to stay out of this. they're one of the biggest opponents of this passing. doesn't make much sense when all the folks from ohio are going to out of state casinos to spend their money.
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I know when I was home 3 weeks ago, I went down to mountaineer to play poker on 3 different occasions. Ohio needs to wake up. every state besides us has casinos with some form of gambling. I'm not sure if PA does, but I do know indiana, michigan, and west virgina all have it.
the cathlioc church needs to stay out of this. they're one of the biggest opponents of this passing. doesn't make much sense when all the folks from ohio are going to out of state casinos to spend their money.
Catholic Churches are against it? mmmm I remember going toi Catholic Church festivals that had nothing but money gambling games well along with rides.. but I would gamble away my money there as a kid.. lol Good ole St Nicholas Festival every summer in Struthers... Those were the days,.
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I heard that in the fine print it says that they can pay 0% in tax to OHIO...what does that mean? i want more detail on this thing...can anyone provide me with their own opnion on this thing? i'm sick of watching lame commercials on the TV.
I'm just guessing here, but it appears there is a loophole where they can avoid paying state taxes because of the "residency" of the ownership. If this is true, it is morally incorrect, and I won't be voting for it. My thought is that business taxes should be paid where they are earned. That's why we're allowing the damn business to come here in the first place isn't ?? So "they" can make money ??"
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This is actually still the first try for them to be on the ballot...it's just been dragging out. When I posted about it a few months ago it was when they were trying to collect enough signatures to get it on the ballot. As for where I stand, I'm not sure. I was all for it back then, but I have heard that they won't pay taxes as well (mentioned on an anit-casino propaganda commercial). I have to get all the details before making a final decision.
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Thats where i heard it too michelle. Not sure how true it is because they always are so biased and one sided.. They said 3% to 0% or something in taxes right? aren't these things online somewhere? After a quick search this is what i found. http://www.yesonissue6.com/issue6/index.aspPROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION BY INITIATIVE PETITION FOR A CASINO NEAR WILMINGTON IN SOUTHWEST OHIO AND DISTRIBUTE TO ALL OHIO COUNTIES A TAX ON THE CASINO (Proposed by Initiative Petition) To adopt Section 6a to Article XV of the Ohio Constitution This proposed amendment to the Ohio Constitution would:
- Authorize one privately owned casino with a required minimum initial investment of $600 million on a 94-acre site located near the northwest corner of State Route 73 and Interstate 71 in southwest Ohio in Chester Township near Wilmington, Clinton County, Ohio.
- Require the casino to pay a tax of up to 30% on its gross receipts for gaming less payouts. The taxes are to be used first to pay expenses of regulating and collecting taxes from the casino, then for funding of gambling prevention and treatment programs, and the remainder to be distributed in the amount of 10% to Clinton County and 90% to the remaining counties based on population and to be used at each county's discretion.
- Reduce the tax paid by the casino authorized by this amendment to the lesser of the rate taxed on another casino or 25%, in the event another casino is permitted in Ohio in the future.
- Require that the casino be subject to all other applicable types of taxes that are currently in effect in Ohio.
- Authorize the casino to conduct any game permitted in the State of Nevada, or any state adjacent to Ohio, including any type of card or table games, slot machines, and electronic gaming devices, except bets on races or sporting events. Only persons age 21 and over would be permitted to place bets. Amounts of bets would not be subject to any limits now or in the future. Days and hours of operation would not be subject to limits.
- Set aside the application to the casino of all local and state laws and any constitutional provisions that would prohibit the operation of this privately owned casino, including any local zoning law that would prohibit or place restrictions on a casino from operating on the property in question.
If approved, this proposed amendment shall take effect 30 days after the election. A “YES” vote means you approve of amending the Ohio Constitution to permit one casino near Wilmington in southwest Ohio. A “NO” vote means you disapprove of amending the Ohio Constitution to permit one casino near Wilmington in southwest Ohio. A majority “YES” vote is required for the amendment to be adopted.
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As long as they pay taxes in Ohio, I'm all for it. This is what I feel when we refuse to have casinos here:  Every state around us has gambling. Why not keep the money in Ohio because people just leave Ohio and do it anyway. At least make some money from it. Gambling is only legal for adults anyway, so stop babying people and let them make their own choices. If you're dumb enough to lose all your money on gambling, then you deserve to lose all your money. JMO
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Thats where i am at....i just want to make sure they do pay taxes.
From all the research i've done all i can get out of this whole thing is that IF they make a new casino the first one doesn't have to pay taxes...or something like that. I still don't have the facts on it.
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Now, add a casino downtown somewhere (you have a ton of options like the lakefront,
thers is only one option for a casino in cleveland, LAKEFRONT!. it is a complete joke and it baffles me why NE does not take advantage of the lakefront
I hear people like looking at water 
another crazy idea for the casino package in Ohio. Why not just make it comperable to what they have in neighboring states? done and done.
why do things have to be so hard?
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Anti gambling advocates always find ways to fool the population by saying things like this.
If anything, they might get a an abatemeant for a number of years on property taxes. This is used alot to sway businesses to build in certain areas. Wal Mart does it to get distribution centers built.
What you have to look at is how many people are emploted by the casino. When mountaineer was trying for table games, the opposers tried to say that they would be paying their employees very low wages and it was a hoax to suggest that these jobs would be paying a decent wage. They tried to convince people that working for tips, as they do in all casino's, for the biggest part of their pay, wasn't going to work in an area like northern WV.
I personally know many people who deal there, and believe me they make good money.
One also has to look at the payroll taxes collected from the creation of at least 400+ jobs at the casino. On top of that, any winnings at the casino are taxed. If you win over so much, you have to fill out a W-4 or something on those lines to report it to the state for tax purposes. Their are also sales taxes involved in the restaurants and lounges.
Don't let the opposition fool you with statement like they will pay no taxes, because casino's, whereever they are built, generate money for the area and the state.
Don't forget the payroll taxes from the construction of the casino. Not to mention the high paying jobs involved in building the casino.
The topper, is after the casino is opened, usually it will lead to other businesses springing up in the surrounding area. Other tourist attraction in the area, also benefit from the casino. Many people travel now from south east Ohio all the way to Rising Sun near Cincinnati, when there is gambling across the river in WV. So thinking that just because the surrounding states have gambling people won't come to Ohio to gamble is nonsense.
Gambling is a popular pastime all over the country. It has been accused of bringing down society and causing problems in the areas. But if you look at the places where it thrives now, you will see that this is not the case.
If the state can oversee the gambling business and keep politicians from sticking their hands in the till, much revenue can be had. Revenue to pay for schools and infrastructure around the state.
The biggest problem we need to concern ourselves with, is what I nmentioned above. Politicians sticking their greedy paws in the till and siphoning off profit for their own benefit.
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Just a blurb from an article, can't say whether or not it is valid but it sounds logical: If there's $100 million spent in casinos but $100 million no longer spent in restaurants and other entertainment venues, then gains in jobs at casinos are countered by losses elsewhere, and it may come out neutral," said Bill Eadington, director of the Institute for the Study of Gambling and Commercial Gaming at the University of Nevada. web page
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At the least it will bring jobs that we desperately need. Plus business around the casinos will profit... gas stations, restraunts, hotels, etc.
The question is what kind of jobs, and I question that total. Possibly that includes jobs that will proliferate from the casino?
More than likely it will suck up some jobs from the surrounding area as well. No doubt some of the jobs will be living wage jobs, but the vast majority will be part time jobs or porter type jobs that generally aren't jobs that pay very much.
I guess bottom line is I wouldn't count on it being a great job generator, so I wouldn't vote for it for that reason.
As an adult playground, maybe. As a means to get people working, it is only a marginal option at best.
I don't know the details, but if it is a situation where you are giving up the ranch to bring this thing in...it isn't a good deal. If it's not helping make money for the state, which is the people, it isn't worth the negatives associated with such a venture.
Just a thought here. At one time gambling was common in many places, and sooner or later people decided it wasn't a good thing.
Is it possible those ancestors of ours weren't just religious zealots and maybe they saw a problem and decided for the public good it should be banned??
People always talk about self responsibility and self control.
That is well and good, but then if we really thought that, why ban anything?
I don't buy that attitude for the simple reason that history shows that people don't show self responsibility and control as often as we would like to think, and if enough people have a problem with self responsibility, it becomes a problem for all.
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That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. People go there and the business around that casino would def make more moeny then they did before.
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That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. People go there and the business around that casino would def make more moeny then they did before.
Unless you have a Wal-Mart effect.
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That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. People go there and the business around that casino would def make more moeny then they did before.
Unless you have a Wal-Mart effect.
I undrstand what you mean by the WAL MART effect but that works in a situation where WAL MART is overlapping business' that are in the area,like smaller grocery stores, or clothing stores. What is the casino going to overlap? Maybe some bars and restaurants, but I kind of think there is a over saturation of those anyways.
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Hotels for another...so OK....gas stations might need to hire another 3rd shift attendant.
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Just for info....
The intersection where they want to build the casino is pretty blah. One one side of the interstate there's a flea market that's always busy on the weekends and the cheese makers place across the road from the flea market -- the one selling to the casino. On the other side of the interstate is a small hometown type mini mart/bait shop, a place that sells little storage buildings and a gas station. That's it. It's pretty much farm country.
If you are coming South on 71 and take that exit and turn right you will eventually hit Ceasar Creek State Park. If you turn left, you eventually hit the city of Wilmington.
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And Wilmington will also be losing DHL very soon when they source all of their air shipping to UPS, which if I recall employs about 6000 people. I can't imagine with that type of job loss in th very near future that this area would not be totally for the casino. There isn't much in Wilmington, and something such as a casino just might save the city.
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True. And, it's not only Wilmington. Dayton folks could make that drive pretty easily...GM is gone. Cincinnati is straight down 71. Columbus is a bit north. I actually think it's a pretty good choice of location being centrally located between Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton. I'm also willing to bet a lot of people that own land along SR 73 would love to sell to businesses that would like to profit from being near a casino. Hotels, restaurants, shopping, etc. The only problem I have with this is how it will affect the Ceasar Creek Region. I may never be able to get a campsite again. 
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you know who will benefit from NO on issue 6  Indiana, West Virginia and Canada. they want our money 
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My question is this:
How in the world would the Youngstown area suffer from putting a casino there? I know one hasn't been proposed, but yeesh, talk about a perfect place for it. You wouldn't be stealing jobs from anywhere else since there aren't many jobs at all there to begin with. You couldn't possibly increase crime in Youngstown.
And I don't know if I believe that a casino would not pay any taxes. If that's true, then whoever drafted that is a total moron. You think the casinos in the surrounding states don't pay any taxes? I highly doubt it.
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Ohio casino battle heating up with TV, radio ads Opposing forces targeting Ohio voters with TV, radio ads on casino issue September 25, 2008: 07:50 AM EST NEW YORK (Associated Press) - The owner of an Indiana casino near the Ohio border is joining the fight against a ballot issue that would ask voters to allow a $600 million casino resort in southwest Ohio. If the issue makes the Nov. 4 ballot, voters would decide whether to amend the Ohio Constitution to allow a casino resort off Interstate 71 near Wilmington, about halfway between Cincinnati and Columbus. Backers of the project claim it would create at least 5,000 jobs and produce income for each of Ohio's 88 counties. But Penn National Gaming Inc., based in Wyomissing, Pa., argues the deal would create a monopoly by authorizing only one casino statewide. It wants access to Ohio through gaming at its Raceway Park in Toledo. The Pennsylvania-based company owns Argosy Casino in Lawrenceburg, Ind., near Cincinnati. The organization promoting the casino development, MyOhioNow.com, is urging Ohio voters not to be fooled by a TV and radio campaign that started Tuesday night in the state's big cities. But Penn National is concerned about losing business, said Rick A. Lertzman, MyOhioNow.com co-founder. Lertzman said he expects that an Ohio casino would take between 40 percent and 50 percent of the $480 million in annual revenues generated by gamblers going to Argosy. Penn National's Argosy is the largest of three casinos in southeast Indiana that draw heavily from the Cincinnati area and northern Kentucky. Other companies operate the two smaller casinos, Belterra and Grand Victoria. Penn National is the nation's third-largest gambling company with revenue in excess of $2 billion a year. It is funding a group called No On 6 _ if the casino proposal makes the ballot it would be listed as Issue 6. A conservative public-policy group, Ohio Roundtable, is also opposing the casino development in Ohio. Ohio voters have a history of strongly rejecting casino proposals. Bob Tenenbaum, a spokesman for No On 6, said the group won't oppose gambling generally but rather has concerns about the current proposed ballot measure. Tenenbaum said ballot language could allow the casino to escape its promised 30 percent tax obligation if it is considered an American Indian casino. MyOhioNow.com partner Brad Pressman said the involvement of a rival gambling interest changes "the entire way the campaign is going to proceed," although he and Lertzman said they can't afford to spend more than the $14 million they had budgeted for the campaign. Meanwhile, petitions needed to put the issue on the ballot are drawing questions. At least seven people who submitted petitions in northeast Ohio's Lake County acknowledged they signed as circulators but did not witness any of the signatures on the documents, said County Board of Elections Director Jan Clair. The circulators also signed blank petitions that were later sent around the state, Clair said. link
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Meanwhile, petitions needed to put the issue on the ballot are drawing questions. At least seven people who submitted petitions in northeast Ohio's Lake County acknowledged they signed as circulators but did not witness any of the signatures on the documents, said County Board of Elections Director Jan Clair. The circulators also signed blank petitions that were later sent around the state, Clair said.
There's an easy way to fix this crap,....only registered voters should be allowed to sign and it should be done just like an election. Show up with your ID and you get to sign the petition, no show, no sign, no petition.
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The intersection where they want to build the casino is pretty blah. One one side of the interstate there's a flea market that's always busy on the weekends and the cheese makers place across the road from the flea market -- the one selling to the casino. On the other side of the interstate is a small hometown type mini mart/bait shop, a place that sells little storage buildings and a gas station. That's it. It's pretty much farm country.
If you are coming South on 71 and take that exit and turn right you will eventually hit Ceasar Creek State Park. If you turn left, you eventually hit the city of Wilmington.
I think I know where you are talking about....on the trip up for the Dallas game I don't think it was far from there some idiots decided to close down the interstate....maybe a little further north...and we sat dead stopped on the interstate for over 2 hours. I am talking engines off and walking in the road stopped.
You were between exits where they had it close for some bridge work or something, the median was such you couldn't turn around and go back, no cover for those that had to relieve themself...luckily we had stopped for lunch 30 minutes before we hit the snag...they just found something to cover things up as best they could...it sucked.
I guess we were about 2 miles from the closure, so we just missed being clear but late enough there was no getting off somewhere and finding some county road around the mess.
Never could tell what those A-holes were doing.
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I actually think it's a pretty good choice of location being centrally located between Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton.
From a logistics standpoint it is perfect.
I forgot to take in to account. These type casinos aren't like Vegas...they stick them in the middle of nowhere so you can't leave to stay somewhere else, eat somewhere else, or do anything else.
The casinos in Mississippi are like that. You leave the casino, there isn't anything else to do that isn't casino run. The ones in Tunica are about 60 miles from Memphis with nothing but lowlands for miles....the ones in Biloxi are stuck on sandbars surrounded by river swamp.......you don't just walk down the nice street to do something else for a while.
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I actually think it's a pretty good choice of location being centrally located between Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton.
From a logistics standpoint it is perfect.
I forgot to take in to account. These type casinos aren't like Vegas...they stick them in the middle of nowhere so you can't leave to stay somewhere else, eat somewhere else, or do anything else.
The casinos in Mississippi are like that. You leave the casino, there isn't anything else to do that isn't casino run. The ones in Tunica are about 60 miles from Memphis with nothing but lowlands for miles....the ones in Biloxi are stuck on sandbars surrounded by river swamp.......you don't just walk down the nice street to do something else for a while.
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They don't want them in the slums as that would require more security to keep the packs from breaking in to cars.
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