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Having seen what he did this week, and knowing that he had not only a healthy line for the first time all year, but a healthy #2 wideout as well, how is everyone feeling about him now?
He's not going to be the 31st rated starting QB in the league after this one 
His current QB rating for the year: 64 (up from 49).
I think it should be pretty obvious by now that the injuries which created a lack of continuity caused us to stumble out of the gate.
To me, the game against the Giants was the best game I've seen Anderson have as a Brown. I know he's had more TD's and yards in others, but from a decision making and accuracy standpoint, this was his crowning game.
Make no mistake: He's going to have more bad games before this year is over, but there's no way that Quinn could have done what he did tonight, so the organization should get credit for not panicking.
So the new question becomes this: How does this thing play out going into the rest of the season? We're clearly not out of the playoff picture because of this win.....
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Trade him while he has value 
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What we have here is a Packers situation....
We have a strong armed QB in Anderson who we picked up, and then drafted a first round QB in Brady Quinn to take over...
Well... not so fast...
All i say is this.. play the best QB.. now how do u tell who's the best???
heck i don't know..
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This game is going to cause even more heated discussions from the fans, but it does vindicate the Browns for keeping with him after the horrid 1st half against Cincy. I know all the fans (well, most of them) on here love when DA leads us to a win, but they are soooo uneasy because he has been erratic. By all accounts, he had a great camp. He gets shell shocked (and a concussion) against the Giants in preseason, and looked average the 1st two games, and horrid for most the last half of the Ravens and 1st half of Cincy. There has been a lot of revisionist history going on. Most comments were that DA wasn't bad after each of the first two games. After the debacle in Balt. and most of Cincy, we started to read how he has sucked all year. We have had fans outright hoping for a serious injury to him in the chat room.  He has earned a reprieve in my eyes, but I don't think my leash is nearly as long as Romeo's. I hope he proves to be the better, improved version we heard about. Tonight he was. Tomorrow???
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To answer your original question, I feel that DA is still on the hot seat because he's a young quarterback... That's just the nature of the business. That being said, he had his best game as a Cleveland Brown.
Tonight should remind us that we need to be patient with this team. They're young and have a lot of potential, just give them time to achieve it... Who knows, maybe they did tonight. Tonight was just a complete win.
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I think it should be pretty obvious by now that the injuries which created a lack of continuity caused us to stumble out of the gate .
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Make no mistake: He's going to have more bad games before this year is over, but there's no way that Quinn could have done what he did tonight, so the organization should get credit for not panicking.
Two extremely accurate statements that have been argued against since the season began. Panicing is for the emotional fan who looks no deeper than his own disappointment for opinions.
The team got a little extra time to get some guys healthy and two weeks of practice to gain some of the continuity they failed to get in the preseason when they got absolutely nothing accomplished.
For one game they were good enough as a team, and DA was good enough as the QB, to overcome their penalties and mistakes which were many. RAC is going to have to come down with the big hammer on his OC and his assistants regarding the stupid penalties. They will not always be able to overcome those as they did tonight.
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Im hoping we learned how to win tonight
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It's still a week to week thing in my opinion with anderson. until he gets 3-4 average to above average games under his belt, I still have question marks. that's unless the browns go on a winning streak no matter how anderson plays. sort of like what rex grossman did a few years back.
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Coincidentally Anderson's play has coincided with the stock market..... pray for a good week on wallstreet! In all seriousness, DA was fantastic tonight. It was the DA I have been waiting to see for the last 4+ weeks. As for him still being on the hotseat, facts are facts. We're 2-3 and DA has a 64 QB rating. Until we're in the green, I would venture to say his seat is atleast a little warm.
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This is for sure. At least the NATIONAL pressure to start Quinn will die down for the rest of the season so we can get a good extended look at DA. 
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I have been a huge DA supporter all along and I'm glad he showed up today, at half during the game people were saying we would have had more points if Quinn was starting...
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I'm staying out of this.....
He played very well tonight, as the whole team did MINUS the dumb penalties.
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I'm staying out of this.....
He played very well tonight, as the whole team did MINUS the dumb penalties.
I'm hoping this thread falls to the bottom and goes away QUICK!!! No need to question whether or not he is on the hot seat...
Let's make another post:
"Cleveland Browns.... Still a playoff contender?"
Yes... a game at a time.
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We got the good DA tonight. He had all his playmakers the end of last year too... so what happened ? He threw some really nice balls but STILL left some out there. Heck the deep ball to Edwards was a walk in TD if it's 3 ft deeper. All in all a great job by Anderson.. Enjoy.. I don't expect many more. We need to see "good" consistancy.. not great one game and hit and miss for 3 after. We've all seen Browns QB's come in and have a great game or two. Lets see "good" play for 5 or 6 before we fall over DA's jock.
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He had all his playmakers the end of last year too... so what happened ? He threw some really nice balls but STILL left some out there. Heck the deep ball to Edwards was a walk in TD if it's 3 ft deeper. All in all a great job by Anderson.. Enjoy.. I don't expect many more.
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He had all his playmakers the end of last year too... so what happened ? He threw some really nice balls but STILL left some out there. Heck the deep ball to Edwards was a walk in TD if it's 3 ft deeper. All in all a great job by Anderson.. Enjoy.. I don't expect many more.
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wow, what a load of bull. there were points left on the field but the one i saw was a perfectly thrown pass to stallworth in the back of the endzone and stallworth lets the ball go through his hands. left with a field goal instead of a td.
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Stallworth complained of being held. I couldn't see it on the replay, but maybe that is why he had to dive.
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Yeah no kidding .... He threw a 50 yard bomb, and people are chiding him because he was off by three feet?  If anything he made the perfect throw ... rather than risk over-throwing him and missing a guy who was completely wide open. He took a tiny bit off of the throw, and ensured that Braylon would make an easy catch.
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I love the good DA. I hate the bad DA. Any QB in the league with a halfway decent backup is on the hotseat after 2 ugly losses. So no, he's not off the hotseat IMO. He plays like tonight against the Redskins, he's off until he has.... 2 ugly losses.
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I love the good DA. I hate the bad DA. Any QB in the league with a halfway decent backup is on the hotseat after 2 ugly losses. So no, he's not off the hotseat IMO. He plays like tonight against the Redskins, he's off until he has.... 2 ugly losses.
This pretty sums up my opinion.
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A great win, for sure. And you may be right, it could have been his best game ever. But we're still 2-3 and we still have a helluva tough schedule ahead. I'd say any QB of a team that is .500 or below is on the hotseat. At any level.
But I do have a problem with this one: but there's no way that Quinn could have done what he did tonight. Excuse me, but how the hell do you know? We haven't seen enough of him to even hazard a guess about how he would have done against the G-men. You may be right. But there's an equal chance you are wrong. And in this instance we will never truly know.
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But there's an equal chance you are wrong.
Oh, I don't think so my friend, I don't think so 5% chance, and maybe on St. Patricks Day, but there's no way Quinn does what Anderson did tonight. 
Then here's the next question.........What does Savage have to see from Anderson the rest of the way to keep Quinn on the bench. It was easy forcing Quinn to ride the pines in the second year if Anderson played well. Force him to sit for a 3rd year and he and his agent may become a distraction. I know, I know......It was Quinn's agent's own fault for holding out as long as he did. If he hadn't, Quinn gets the job when Frye craters. That's great water-cooler stuff, but irrelevent in terms of real life. (Just thought I'd save someone the time and effort of typing that out *L*).
For now, we're still in the playoff hunt, which means Quinn stays right where he is, and rightfully so. God forbid, but if we slip out of contention at some point and Anderson is still playing well...........
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One word: Consistency. He was awesome last night, completely and totally freaking awesome.... but he needs to put this behind him after today and start the process of doing it again next week, and the next week, and the week after that, etc... No, I don't have any delusions that he will be 100% lights-out like he was tonight every time out, but he can't revert back to being the D.A. from the first four games. Is he still on the hot seat? I would say so, though the flame has been turned off or down. One bad performance didn't put him there, so one good one shouldn't take him out... no matter how stupidly awesome any of us feel right now  Right now he has played 3 games + 3 Quarters of bad play while he has 5 quarters of good play. Show some consistency and do it again next week in a convincing fashion and THEN I would say that yeah, it's time to take him outta the fire.
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how does this play out? it's simple...
anderson starts...why? because he's one year removed from doing some great stuff....he's got the team behind him....he's got a coach that will give him the benefit of the doubt...
if at some point we are out of it, and clearly losing because of his play, then i think we see quinn...
i look at it from a distance as say to myself. what is the best senerio? we win with anderson, he becomes consistant, in essence we have a franchise qb....we then can keep quinn on the bench or trade him....
second senerio, is more of a brees/rivers type.....(without the injury)da plays great some games, poorly others... we trade da for some good picks, and quinn steps in and plays well for us....has question marks because we don't know how brady will actually play....
third is they both suck....
at the end of the day, we've got 2 young qb's....they are gonna have growing pains no matter who we start...
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An NFL quarterback has to do this more than a handful of games a season.
He was hot tonight and I hope he keeps it up. I won't hold my breath as he has'nt proven he can consistenty produce even close to these types of numbers to me as of of yet.
It was fun to watch everyone have an UP game which in turn helped DA produce!
Nice TEAM win!
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Derek Anderson.......Still on the hot seat?
He will be on the hot seat as long as there's a former 1st round pick on the bench behind him. It's just the nature of the beast.
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I think DA has to prove to be consistent.
I can take a bad game here and there, what I can't take is a good game here and there.
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I think it should be pretty obvious by now that the injuries which created a lack of continuity caused us to stumble out of the gate.
Some of us did point that out..a lot of people had a lot of wax in their ears..
I also kept saying I FELT he was still feeling effects of the concussion..he looked like he was in a fog...and tenative.
Make no mistake: He's going to have more bad games before this year is over, but there's no way that Quinn could have done what he did tonight, so the organization should get credit for not panicking.
Well thats why he's in the hot seat...he can't regress and play horrible and expect to start..he's got to [play consistant ball and beat STRONG defenses..
He took part of the monkey off his back, but he's got a string of tough opponents to face and he's got to play smart ball and attack .
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Saddly, no matter what DA does somebody on this board will always want him traded or benched, same goes for each & every player on the Browns, We could go undefeated Winning the Super Bowl 45-10 and somebody would want the Def. Cordinator fired for giving up 10 and want to cut Chuds head off for only scoring 45. I understand it's thier right as fans.
I like what BE said last night, time to forget what people say or think and it's time to play ball....
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DA with a healthy #2 WR and a Big time WR ready to play and throw Tucker in to the mix results in a very potent offense.
Contrary to the BQ lovers here, it's not all on DA - good or bad. The entire offense played hungry last night and it showed. It doesn't hurt to have a good #2 WR that teams have to cover as well.
DA played well and is the starter.
All you BQ lovers can go back into hiding and wait to chastise DA for at least a week.
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Was he ever really on the hot seat? I think with fans and the media he was. However was he with the front office and coaching staff. I think if he were he wouldn't have started this game.
The coaching staff and Savage have said from the beginning that the job was DA's. There was never a QB competition and when they said Quinn would get more work it was reported to be only 2 extra reps.
I don't think there was ever any real chance of him being replaced as long as we are still in contention for a playoff spot. If that changes then maybe we see what Quinn brings to the table but until then DA is our QB. Like it or not.
I've been one of the poeple that wanted Quinn to play so I'm not saying that these are my feeling I just don't think there was ever a real QB controversy on the team. Just maybe, every time they said publicly that they backed DA it wasn't just fluff and they really meant it.
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All you BQ lovers can go back into hiding and wait to chastise DA for at least a week.
It's not about Brady Lovers. It is about those who simply don't trust DA. Most people on here will change their minds if DA shows more of the same tonight.
A lot have been uneasy about DA from the start, with good reason. Many have been reluctant to give DA any credit. That doesn't mean it's all about Brady.
Now, there is a ton of Browns fans in northeast Ohio who are completely blinded by Quinn, but I would be careful saying they are the posters on this board.
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Having seen what he did this week, and knowing that he had not only a healthy line for the first time all year, but a healthy #2 wideout as well, how is everyone feeling about him now?
My opinion hasn't changed much. I knew he was capable of games like this. I'm glad he finally had one against a good team. I agree that injuries hurt but our suckitude for the first 4 games went well beyond a few injuries... at some point he is going to be asked to produce in less than ideal conditions.
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We didn't stumble, we fell down, then we fell when we tried to get up, then we tripped over ourselves, then we got up and stepped on a rake which smashed us in the gonads... I think Jaws response to Savage's excuse about smaller receivers was pretty funny though...
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To me, the game against the Giants was the best game I've seen Anderson have as a Brown. I know he's had more TD's and yards in others, but from a decision making and accuracy standpoint, this was his crowning game.
This was his highwater mark game for sure. And I don't expect him to be perfect from here on out... but he needs to find some level of consistency.
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I don't know if you can say that. Perhaps you couldn't have expect this game from Quinn if this had been his first start, but if it had been his 5th start or his 10th start or his 23rd start like DA, how can you say that Quinn couldn't have done that... I mean tell me one thing DA did that Quinn hasn't shown the ability at some point to do?
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No, we aren't out of it.. the Steelers have looked less than dominant, the Ravens are definitely beatable and they both have similarly tough schedules to our own... It bought DA more time.. it bought him a couple more chances to show that he can use this confidence to find some consistency.. We've got Washington, Jacksonville, and Baltimore in the next 3 weeks... all 3 are winnable, all 3 are loseable and all 3 play pretty good defense......
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Without question, DA is still on the hotseat. Why shouldn't he be? Through 4 games, he put up a quarterback rating of 49.9 and was a big part of our 1-3 record. So... now we're 2-3 and he's 1/5 in having good games. That doesn't go away because of one great performance.
That said, it was a great performance, but this is the exact reason why I can't stomach DA as a future quarterback. He's inconsistent. If he puts up one of these performances and one of the others in back-to-back playoff games, we get bounced.
Enjoy the win but keep things in perspective... at 2-3 with the 4-1 Steelers getting the Palmer-less Bengals next week, this is more about the right decision for the future than anything.
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No doubt his best game. He struggled some early but once he got going; he showed why the coaching staff wants to stick with him.
When you have a guy who is 6' 6" with a big arm you want to exhaust all possibilities.
That fact remains though he has a fragile ego and is a streaky player. When he steps into his throws and throws down field in seams like the throw to Dinkins - you get the wow factor. When he was rolling last year and hitting Winslow and Edwards like that our offense was scary.
It still remains to be seen if he can play consistently. Anderson's issue to me has always been mental. He appears to be well liked by his teamates. In practice, I'm sure his teamates must think "this guy has a great tools". However, his decision making at times just leaves you shaking your head.
This off season it was reported that he worked with the QB coach. They worked on the short/mid range pass and footwork. Also, when the coverage is there " it's ok to throw the ball away".
Yet when the season opened he was making the same "old" mistakes.
The problem the Brown's have is: How to you develop two young guys?
If Quinn does not play this year. His people are going to want to be moved. That is understandable.
They could probably afford both for another year. But it is hard to imagine both can exist on this team.
It is a dilema. There must be some loyality felt toward DA. The team's 10-6 record last year got both Savage and Crennel an extension.
At the same time Savage made what was described as a signature move to get Quinn. "A decision that when we look back at this draft getting Thomas and Quinn may well have changed the Browns fortunes".
So watching this play out will be major drama.
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Without question, DA is still on the hotseat. Why shouldn't he be? Through 4 games, he put up a quarterback rating of 49.9 and was a big part of our 1-3 record. So... now we're 2-3 and he's 1/5 in having good games. That doesn't go away because of one great performance.
That said, it was a great performance, but this is the exact reason why I can't stomach DA as a future quarterback. He's inconsistent. If he puts up one of these performances and one of the others in back-to-back playoff games, we get bounced.
Enjoy the win but keep things in perspective... at 2-3 with the 4-1 Steelers getting the Palmer-less Bengals next week, this is more about the right decision for the future than anything.
^This.
Unless you've won a Super Bowl recently, your job is ALWAYS a few bad games away from the "hot seat". One good performance in five games doesn't give DA a pass for the rest of the season. He has to keep doing this....all year. You're not paid to play well in only one Monday night game.
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Toadmiester,, nice to see you again.. I'm not sure there is a big discussion needed here. QB's like coaches and just about every other position on any team is one of those "what have you done for me lately" things. DA had a great night last night, but I promise you, if he flubs up next Sunday, people that either don't believe in him or just prefer Quinn, will be all over him again. it's the nature of the beast I guess.. Thank goodness that GM's of teams and Coaches don't fall prey to that kind of thinking. Well, at least our GM and Coach doesn't.
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Was thrilled with the game , but 1 game out of 5 dosn't make him the " Man " .. Thats been his problem all along ! Toad ; how you be knowing BQ. couldn't have played as well ???
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DA had a great night last night, but I promise you, if he flubs up next Sunday, people that either don't believe in him or just prefer Quinn, will be all over him again.
it's the nature of the beast I guess..
Thank goodness that GM's of teams and Coaches don't fall prey to that kind of thinking. Well, at least our GM and Coach doesn't.
Should we not be? Is 1 good game out of 6 good enough for you? Is that the maturation process you are looking for?
And GMs and Coaches who stick with a losing horse often find themselves looking for jobs and their teams set back years in the process...
I'm rooting for DA, really I am... I'd love to get used to seeing him play similar to the way he played last night.. maybe then I would start to relax in the 4th quarter with a 2 TD lead that he isn't going to throw an out pattern to the cornerback for a TD...
I know it's hard to quantify but you say "if he flubs up next week".. how much inconsistency should we tolerate before we make a move? How many bad games does each really good game buy you?
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DA was great last night. the things that consistently have hampered his game were vastly improved.
short to mid passes, footwork, decisions, and accuracy especially were strengths. i had never seen these things from him over all 4 quarters. the consistency was the most impressive.
also, maybe more importantly is he did it on the biggest stage so far for his career against the world champs. i certainly didn't believe he could raise his game against an elite team that had game planned for him.
all of this is a huge improvement and obviously he will start against the redskins. but he has to keep performing. washington is pretty good too, and they won't be caught with their pants down looking past us.
every week is a test for QBs that haven't won a SB. i'm looking for a good game again mostly because before this week i hadn't seen him do well in a big game or shine against an elite D. hope it carries forward!
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