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Is he still on the hot seat? No. Not for now. But, he better not go back to how he played in the first 4 weeks. I still don't believe Derek Anderson is the answer. I hate having Ryan Leaf one week (Weeks 1-4), then Brett Favre one week (this week). I want to see some consistency before I say he's "off the hot seat".
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PS- Like I said at the hotel before the game. This is the kind of team that DA excels against. A team that brings pressure and leaves a lot of man coverage. It's when a team rushes 4 or 5, and he has to read a zone that he struggles.
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Derek Anderson.......Still on the hot seat?
He will be on the hot seat as long as there's a former 1st round pick on the bench behind him. It's just the nature of the beast.
Amendment: A former 1st round pick from Ohio on the bench behind him. That makes all the difference in the world.
Note that Kurt Warner isn't on the hot seat.
After sleepin' on it, my opinion is that Anderson just bought himself several more games at least. If he plays well against the Deadskins, he's safe even if he has a couple more bad games.
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Don't think DA was on the hotseat in the first place.
Just because many here think so doesn't make it so...
The Browns win as a team and lose as a team. QB's get too mcuh blame and praise.
DA showed what he is and what he can do with the peices in place.
Some spark plugs were missing or fouled before last nights game.
He had time to go through his checks and made good decissions.
Not too many drops either. Good running attack.
EM threw 3 picks and the D hung in there. Good thing the Giants got behind because if they didn't they could have run the ball for 250 or so...
So all is well in C town right now. Or at least until tommorrow.
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Should we not be? Is 1 good game out of 6 good enough for you? Is that the maturation process you are looking for?
Two schools of thought here DC. As fans, we can be whatever we want to be. we don't have to answer to owners or fans or anybody. We really don't risk anything by saying, stick with a guy or don't stick with a guy.. for us fans, it's just words...
But as a GM or Coach, it really takes some serious faith that you are right when you make a decision to stay with a guy or move on to the next guy.
I'm happy DA had what I'm sure will go down as one of the best QB performances by a Browns QB. And if he continues (you know he'll make a mistake or two) he'll be the guy who we need him to be..
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I know someone inside the Browns who told me he didnt want the Browns to get rid of Anderson (This was in the offseason) I was told plenty of times that he just looks alot better than Quinn for whatever reason.
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I was talking to a couple of people earlier today, and they were talking about Charlie Frye ..... and how he looks so good in Seattle, and wondering why we gave him up for a low pick. I guess they must not have known that he went 12-23 for 83 yards ... with 2 picks and 2 TDs?  You're right ..... the local boy always gets some benefit of the doubt.
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You are kidding,, you spoke to someone that thought Charlie looked good last week,,, WOW... that's actually kinda scary.
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You are kidding,, you spoke to someone that thought Charlie looked good last week,,, WOW... that's actually kinda scary.
Why, did you see the game?
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Not too many drops either. Good running attack.
I'm not sure exactly how the stats look, but I believe there was 4 or 5 drops. The reason it didn't hurt us is because DA was far more accurate on his other passes. When you are passing at just above a 50% clip, every drop gets magnified.
Also, the drops were not on third down, unless they count Stallworth's play in the end zone. Heiden dropped one on 1st down right before half.
Dinkins dropped one on the sidelines (tougher play, but looked catchable).
Braylon dropped one deep in Giants territory (I believe this was on 1st down as well.
I thought there was another, but can't remember where.
The point is 3rd down drops are drive killers, especially when you are constanly having 3rd downs because of bad passes.
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Bits and pieces,, for part of the time he wasn't awful, but in the end,, he couldn't get the job done..
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...there's no way that Quinn could have done what he did tonight, so the organization should get credit for not panicking.
And you know this because....? You said it yourself...DA finally had a more complete team to work with. The O line was leaps and bounds better than they've been all season. DA had all kinds of time in the pocket.
However, the part about finally having a 2nd receiver is a little misleading because while Stallworth was back, KW was out. I'd rather have KW in there, myself. Granted, Heiden played very well to pretty much make up for KW's absence.
Regardless, you and management will tell us that there's no way Quinn could have won that game and you've got nothing to back you up. DA will struggle again. Hopefully with the more complete team around him, he can string together enough games like last night to salvage a decent season. But is he the answer? Is he truly an elite NFL QB? I don't know, and one out of five games sure as hell didn't prove anything to me. Not saying Brady is an elite QB, either. Just saying we don't really know too much more now than we did a week ago.
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Of course he's still on the hot seat. At least for me. That's how this offense is supposed to look. We have as much talent on the offensive side of the ball as just about anyone. We should be a juggernaut. I loved what I saw but I know that what I saw was a mirage. DA is streaky and he went on the longest streak of his Browns career. His goes on ACCURACY streaks....not the other way around. He is an inaccurate passer but that doesn't mean he doesn't get hot, get loose and fling the rock. He looked great last night but I've seen all the throws he's made in his Browns career. This might fool many fans but not this one. Exclaimer: I root for the Browns to win every game and for every player to play their best. The best case scenario is for me to be wrong, DA to end up in Canton and us celebrating multiple Super Bowls. I just tend to think that's not going to be the case.But I will give him his due. And I will not be calling for his head until after the Deadskins game. 
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Everyone here knows I prefer Quinn to Anderson, BUT that being said:
Anderson played very well last night. very well. But it was more than Da though, our OL was finally healthy...Da didn't seem rattled back there because our OL protected him well and the 1st 4 games they had not really done that...Da is "good enough" IF he has time back there...he doesn't have Quinn's mobility so you have to create a pocket for the Kid and our OL did a very good job of creating a pocket for Anderson.
Getting Tucker back was huge...he played well like he always does...we made our Run last year when Tucker came in and replaced McKinney at RG and Shafterr was at RT...Tucker was a very "important" piece to this OL...Tucker played Center and Tackle at St.Lois and he has played Tackle and guard here..he is just an all-around good experienced Offensive lineman
also, Stallworth I think did help tjhe gameplan a bit...once he gets more in sync our receivers should do well.
Hopefully Winslow is ready to go this week agains thr Redskins...Winslow+edwards+Stallworth could make things intresting for us down the stretch as long as our OL continues to play well like they did last night giving Anderson ample time.
Best case scenario, Anderson plays well all year and Brady gets another year on the bench and maybe we can get a 1st rd out of 1 of them this offseason(to be determined of course)
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Why do you think if someone says something negative about Anderson that they love Quinn? That makes no sense. 
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j/c Michelle... I don't wish to get between you and someone you're staring down... not a safe place for any man to be, Girl!  Toad: Nope. Not off the hotseat... but I will say this much- the things that have had him feeling a bit warm simply were not in evidence during last night's game... at least not in any measurable portion. 1. He makes horrible in-play decisions: Not last night. No picks for 60 full minutes. No punts for our team. Think of this: Every single drive but one led to points... for an entire game. For a Browns fan, that's absolutely mind-boggling. 2. He doesn't read D's well or check down: Not last night. I saw him use outlet receivers, alter plays at the LOS, and generally keep a "class" D on it's heels all night (aided by a whale of a game plan by Chud, btw...) 3. He's inaccurate: Not last night. That 70- yarder to Bray had just the right amount of air under it to allow Edwards to snag it at waist height and keep on running... without breaking stride. Yes, some could argue that if the ball had led the WR, it would have gone for 6... but we're still talking 40-45 yards in the air. However it's spun, that ain't inaccurate. In a post-game interview, DA was asked about it. He said something to the effect: "I had another 2-3 yards to give that pass, but I wanted to make sure it was where he could catch it." Dude led RB's swinging out of the backfield very, very nicely.. and was still able to put smoke on some shots when they had to be thrown with some heat. The rollout TD pass to BE, that smokin' 12-15 yard out to Harrison at the sidelines, and that frozen rope to Dinkins for 6 come immediately to mind. I'll have to check tape to see how many others there were, but those throws were enough to sell me. (...for at least a week, that is-) 4. He can't handle pressure, and caves when he needs to be 'clutch.': Tell me- how much more pressure could a guy have on his shoulders than DA had last night? Brewing (media & fan-fuelled) QB controversy, endless dissecting of his game on sports shows and the internet, and now- a nationally televised prime time game... against a (supposedly) world-class D fielded by the reigning (previously) undefeated Super Bowl champions... and Dude was cooler than a cuke in a Fridgidaire. In total control, from first snap to kneel-downs. What a performance. _____________________ Maybe what we saw Monday night truly was "the light coming on" for Derek Anderson... Gawd, I hope so. (The continual QB soap opera that is Cleveland Browns football has been wearing me out for 10 freakkin' years ! ) For one game, the dude pretty much showed NO evidence of ANY tendencies that have made his detractors howl. It really was an inspirational game... and made me feel very good for him. If THIS was the kind of stuff that the staff has been seeing in him all along (at least in potential), then it goes a long way towards explaining why Savage seemed to put more effort into re-signing him, instead of selling him out for picks last offseason. (Clem be lovin' him some underdawgs... guess that's why he's "all Brown"... from womb 2 tomb...) Personally, My jury's still out on the guy, but I'll say this much- he's at least earned the right to show us all that last night wasn't a fluke... for at least 3 or 4 more games. After this performance, we all- staff, teammates and fans alike- owe him that much. It really was special. jmh .02 p.s. If the light really did come on, I guess that will silence some of Savage's naysayers as well... you know, the ones who say that he "can't eveluate QB talent"... guess only time will tell...
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I don't think players can fluke in to that, especially after the numbers he flashed last year. You might get lucky once, but he has done this or something close more than once.
Face it, if he played like he did on Monday night, we have the best qb to ever play the game...shoot, we could cut our punter and save the roster spot for someone else.
DAs question is consistency, and the more a guy plays, the more that settles in.
In sports, scouts and coaches look at upside. Once they see where that can go, they don't worry as much about downside because they know in time, that usually comes up with experience and coaching.
That is why DA is here.....his upside is tremendous...and understand that upside is real and different from potential. If his flashes of upside were just so-so, Quinn would already be playing.
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Good points. Not sure there were as many drops as you are stating. There were some good passes defended by the Giants. Drops are unacceptable. No matter what. I'm not talking about a real difficult opportunity. Or a jump ball in a a crowd, of defenders. Drops are simply a lack of concentration and poor fundamentals. Nothing more. The Browns did a good job of catching the ball Monday. The ball was on target Monday as well. QB completion percentage is made up of a number of variables. A large of part the numbers is reciever production and catching percentage. Bottom line is there have been way too many drops this year and we all have seen it far too often. Drops don't cut it on any down. There are always situations that are more important than others. DA is not a high percentage QB anyway. His accurancy has and is improving. Drops make his percentage worse no matter how his situation is viewed. I wonder how many balls Dinkins has had thrown his way in games this year? Less than a hand full, according to my feeble memory. Nice TD catch. There were few bad passes on Monday.
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well of course he does.... the issue here is when will the organiziation say enough is enough...the fact that they didn't pull him in the second half of the cinci game shows it...the organization is behind him right now... as far as consistancy goes, i agree, he has to get more consistant...but so does the rest of the team...he's young....he's in his second year of starting... i think we as fans tend to look at finished products and want the same right now... anderson must be doing enough right in the coachs eyes, where he thinks he still deserves to start...if anderson was the whole problem, then we would have probably seen quinn by now... anderson has been given the benefit of the doubt...and at least this week, the organizations faith has been rewarded... personally i just want to win....romeo can do what ever he wants... i'm certainly not qualified...my fantasy roster is proof of that 
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DAs question is consistency, and the more a guy plays, the more that settles in.
In sports, scouts and coaches look at upside. Once they see where that can go, they don't worry as much about downside because they know in time, that usually comes up with experience and coaching.
That is why DA is here.....his upside is tremendous...and understand that upside is real and different from potential. If his flashes of upside were just so-so, Quinn would already be playing.
1. Always has been.... back to his college days, as others tell me. (Never watched him back then, and didn't know squat about him 'til he came here). For all we know, he may be the next Brett Favre (who has always thrown pics at silly moments, too..) If he can produce like that guy, I'd take it- and the ring he'd eventually get us.
(...still can't believe that pick BF threw in his final pass as a Packer..)
2. This is why, as I said in another post, Phil hedged his bets... and signed DA on for another tour of duty. The time that DA had as a starter simply wasn't enough to show them all they needed to see. As others have noted, the contract is pretty "FO friendly"... and pays DA based on production. Also allows us to dump him if he flames out without too much of a cap hit. Pretty smart, Phil.
When it comes to football, I'll freely admit that I'm no expert. That's why I say stuff like, "IF the light came on..." but I agree- they must have seen enough in him to extend his playing days here in Cleve. If they hadn't he'd be wearing some other uni this year.
3....yet all the "experts" on this board had him stuffed, cooked, and setting on the table in time for Monday night's dinner. Maybe that's why the coaching staff has jobs in Berea... and the rest of us spend our time on a fansite message board.
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The Browns did a good job of catching the ball Monday. The ball was on target Monday as well.
Just making a notation here.........
I've rewatched the game twice. Dinkins dropped two easy passes, Edwards one. Drops are a part of the game, and every QB has it happen to him. However, we've had an inordinate amount of drops. All things being equal, Anderson had three which he didn't deserve. There was what should have been a pass-interference penalty on one throw to the sideline.
Not making a case one way or another. Just clarifying.
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Definitely still on the hot seat. I could deal with him if he was more good than bad, but he tends to be more bad than good.
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Having seen what he did this week, and knowing that he had not only a healthy line for the first time all year, but a healthy #2 wideout as well, how is everyone feeling about him now?
He's not going to be the 31st rated starting QB in the league after this one
His current QB rating for the year: 64 (up from 49).
I think it should be pretty obvious by now that the injuries which created a lack of continuity caused us to stumble out of the gate.
To me, the game against the Giants was the best game I've seen Anderson have as a Brown. I know he's had more TD's and yards in others, but from a decision making and accuracy standpoint, this was his crowning game.
Make no mistake: He's going to have more bad games before this year is over, but there's no way that Quinn could have done what he did tonight, so the organization should get credit for not panicking.
So the new question becomes this: How does this thing play out going into the rest of the season? We're clearly not out of the playoff picture because of this win.....
Not even BE's 5 drops against the skins can save DA some face now.
Way too inconsistent. Let the Quinn watch begin.
Absolutely pathetic game. Jamal ran, the D got the ball back and made the stop when it needed....all for DA to sum up his entire game by missing a open Edwards.
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Man I would be scared to make the switch. But @ this point what is it going to hurt to see if Quinn can take this team where the fans and the team wants to go? And if the Browns do not want to go there? It won't hurt my feelings. If they have to fire everyone and start all over again, again, again. I have gotten used to that part of the buisness when it comes to Cleveland sports. DA to me it is finally clear that he is not the QB that is going to take this team to the Superbowl. Now do not get me wrong I do not think Quinn can either . But I want to see if he is worse than DA. I cannot think of any reason he can't wrest the starter spot from DA other than maybe he can't wrest the starter spot from DA. Let us fans see some proof. 
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Of course he's still on the hot seat. At least for me.
That's how this offense is supposed to look. We have as much talent on the offensive side of the ball as just about anyone. We should be a juggernaut.
I loved what I saw but I know that what I saw was a mirage. DA is streaky and he went on the longest streak of his Browns career. His goes on ACCURACY streaks....not the other way around. He is an inaccurate passer but that doesn't mean he doesn't get hot, get loose and fling the rock.
He looked great last night but I've seen all the throws he's made in his Browns career. This might fool many fans but not this one.
Exclaimer: I root for the Browns to win every game and for every player to play their best. The best case scenario is for me to be wrong, DA to end up in Canton and us celebrating multiple Super Bowls. I just tend to think that's not going to be the case.
But I will give him his due. And I will not be calling for his head until after the Deadskins game.
Ok....it's after the Deadskins game. Head on a platter please!
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Having seen what he did this week, and knowing that he had not only a healthy line for the first time all year, but a healthy #2 wideout as well, how is everyone feeling about him now?
He's not going to be the 31st rated starting QB in the league after this one
His current QB rating for the year: 64 (up from 49).
I think it should be pretty obvious by now that the injuries which created a lack of continuity caused us to stumble out of the gate.
To me, the game against the Giants was the best game I've seen Anderson have as a Brown. I know he's had more TD's and yards in others, but from a decision making and accuracy standpoint, this was his crowning game.
Make no mistake: He's going to have more bad games before this year is over, but there's no way that Quinn could have done what he did tonight, so the organization should get credit for not panicking.
So the new question becomes this: How does this thing play out going into the rest of the season? We're clearly not out of the playoff picture because of this win.....
Not even BE's 5 drops against the skins can save DA some face now.
Way too inconsistent. Let the Quinn watch begin.
Absolutely pathetic game. Jamal ran, the D got the ball back and made the stop when it needed....all for DA to sum up his entire game by missing a open Edwards.
No argument can be made now to save DA
Actually, his drops EXEMPLIFY what's wrong not only with Anderson, but the entire offense as well.
Anderson was off target much of the game, the receivers weren't getting on the same page with Anderson much of the time (including Winslow, who appeared to not be himself), and when he was on target, they were dropping footballs.
Even at the end, Anderson reads the blitz but Edwards doesn't. On the last throw, forget what the announcers said. Anderson read an in-cut while Edwards ran what looked somewhat like a hook. Either way, Edwards slowed out of his cut. Again, they can't get on the same page.
Anderson shares plenty of blame today, but so does the entire offense. They just can't get on the same page right now, and you know what? Inserting Quinn won't fix that.
There may come a time when Quinn gets his action, but the problems are bigger than Anderson. Until they fix those other problems and see that Anderson is the weak-link, they won't make a move to Quinn (at least not while we still have a shot at the playoffs, no matter how small).
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Fame is fleeting. He stunk it up after being a Giant Killer in a gem of a game. Edwards stunk, DA most of all, and we lost without trying to use BQ. Controversy be hanged. there are worse things than fighting for your job. Not letting you do so as RAC seems to be doing is one of em. He can't be on the field, so how does BQ win? And we lose repeatedly and well over half of the games DA mangles with horrible individual play. Neither is perfect, but we are engineering BQ's failure. Won't play him, can't market him as well. RAC handles players every bit as well as he does clock. Just a different concession and kneel down.   
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Having seen what he did this week, and knowing that he had not only a healthy line for the first time all year, but a healthy #2 wideout as well, how is everyone feeling about him now?
He's not going to be the 31st rated starting QB in the league after this one
His current QB rating for the year: 64 (up from 49).
I think it should be pretty obvious by now that the injuries which created a lack of continuity caused us to stumble out of the gate.
To me, the game against the Giants was the best game I've seen Anderson have as a Brown. I know he's had more TD's and yards in others, but from a decision making and accuracy standpoint, this was his crowning game.
Make no mistake: He's going to have more bad games before this year is over, but there's no way that Quinn could have done what he did tonight, so the organization should get credit for not panicking.
So the new question becomes this: How does this thing play out going into the rest of the season? We're clearly not out of the playoff picture because of this win.....
Not even BE's 5 drops against the skins can save DA some face now.
Way too inconsistent. Let the Quinn watch begin.
Absolutely pathetic game. Jamal ran, the D got the ball back and made the stop when it needed....all for DA to sum up his entire game by missing a open Edwards.
No argument can be made now to save DA
Actually, his drops EXEMPLIFY what's wrong not only with Anderson, but the entire offense as well.
Anderson was off target much of the game, the receivers weren't getting on the same page with Anderson much of the time (including Winslow, who appeared to not be himself), and when he was on target, they were dropping footballs.
Even at the end, Anderson reads the blitz but Edwards doesn't. On the last throw, forget what the announcers said. Anderson read an in-cut while Edwards ran what looked somewhat like a hook. Either way, Edwards slowed out of his cut. Again, they can't get on the same page.
Anderson shares plenty of blame today, but so does the entire offense. They just can't get on the same page right now, and you know what? Inserting Quinn won't fix that.
There may come a time when Quinn gets his action, but the problems are bigger than Anderson. Until they fix those other problems and see that Anderson is the weak-link, they won't make a move to Quinn (at least not while we still have a shot at the playoffs, no matter how small).
Hey, maybe you wasted 80 bones on a DA jersey or something but c'mon...DA is the problem, not the solution here...Drops or not today, DA is playing poor football and has for every game since last december except for one aberration last Monday.
Blame whatever you want, call it a culmination of things, but the bottom line is the qb play on this team is terrible.
Especially today. His throws were terrible. He almost got Cribbs killed and it took him to the fourth q to get any type of rhythm. He is 6'6 and getting passes batted down like he's Jeff Garcia. I don't want to hear any excuses for him anymore... The secret out...He was a flash in the pan. The browns spent a lot to get Quinn, time to crap or get off the pot with him.
Inserting Quinn isn't going to stunt his growth. Win lose or draw with Quinn its a chance to evaluate him, and get him in some type of rhythm with the o because he is clear as day the future of this organization.
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LOL, some people just don't get it. OT is right. Guess what, BE and K2 did the same thing 2 years ago. They're doing it again. This is a culmination of problems, not just one player.
DA almost got Cribbs killed? How, by putting the bal right on the money on that one throw (and almost the only one). He led the receiver. It wasn't DA, it was a great play by the defender.
The things that come out of some people's mouths.
OT, good to see you back. You are dead on.
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LOL, some people just don't get it. OT is right. Guess what, BE and K2 did the same thing 2 years ago. They're doing it again. This is a culmination of problems, not just one player.
DA almost got Cribbs killed? How, by putting the bal right on the money on that one throw (and almost the only one). He led the receiver. It wasn't DA, it was a great play by the defender.
The things that come out of some people's mouths.
OT, good to see you back. You are dead on.
Guys take off your orange and brown glasses and put away the DA jeresey.
He is the root cause of a circus of a team.
If he makes ONE of his throws to Winslow, Stallworth down the sideline, or BE at the end of the game....This could be a differ conversation.... But the guy gets multiple chances and can't deliver once.... and has not played good since december.
While the team may be a circus act, DA is part of the problem and not a part of the solution.
He was 14-37...I mean it makes me laugh out loud that there is still people that defend him so strongly...
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There may come a time when Quinn gets his action, but the problems are bigger than Anderson. Until they fix those other problems and see that Anderson is the weak-link, they won't make a move to Quinn (at least not while we still have a shot at the playoffs, no matter how small). You have a OC who has to gauge how his QB is going to play on the road vs at home..? Way too conservative..and too inconsistant game-planning..horrible tendencies..very predictable...especially inside the redzone... Throw on first down..incomplete, then you came back to the run every single time..  Execution horrible..guess what..no false starts..but now we have routes badly run..drops...misfires..
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When I listen to Romeo at the press conference and he says " I don't know, and I guess I would be a better coach if I knew" that sums things up for me.
It could not be more clear. Savage at the end of this season has to put aside personal feeings and make cold hard decisions. Romeo has to go and DA needs to be traded or be the backup.
How can it be defended that if the communication system fails that a NFL starting QB can't understand clock management, down and distance? How can you gain the respect of teamates and lead a team if you are unable to do that?
Is the game plan on the Browns to help Anderson's ego and develop him or to win the game?
How many passes got batted down 5?
Does Anderson when he takes a 3 step drop not see the lineman in front of him? He is 6' 6''. The D linemen read his eyes because he stares down the route. A QB has to feel, see, and adjust on the fly. Anderson doesn't slide or pump fake. He continues inconsistent play. Can't hit a screen pass. Rifles passes to guys on top of him. It is inexcuessable to miss a receiver that wide open with the game on the line.
If Romeo can see that and says he doesn't know why we can't correct inconsistent play what else needs to be said?
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He is the root cause of a circus of a team.
I literally quit reading right there
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Inserting Quinn isn't going to stunt his growth. Win lose or draw with Quinn its a chance to evaluate him, and get him in some type of rhythm with the o because he is clear as day the future of this organization.
Unless there is a lack of confidence on the entire O because they see DA in practice everyday, and they know as we know he is streaky, and if he comes out of the gate slow, they lose focus.
In that situation, a change might be the spark needed to get their heads back into the game.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I literally quit reading right there
You can quit reading all you like....................
The fact is, your QB is "supposed to be" your leader, your "field general" who ramps things up on the field. Who rights the ship. Who calls people out.
The only thing DA leads is the disaster train.
You guys upholding him seem to ignore the fact that when your QB sucks air, it deflates the entire O. When their confidence in him waines, so does their performance.
I have worked and played sports with smart, productive leaders. It's quite motivational. Then I have worked and played sports with people who could not lead. The contrast in production and morale is astounding.
But nah, that can't have anything to do with it.
Jamaal could run the ball. So the OL rallied around him and ran block pretty well. They also protected DA plenty well enough that there is no excuse.
The D, while they bent, didn't break. As a unit, they played well enough to keep us in the game. So once again, no excuse there.
The big difference from last week to this one? DA sucked air this week and as such, his targets followed suit. Admit it or not, it is what it is...............
When he is being accurate as he was last week, the troops rally around him. When he is laying an egg, like yesterday, the O soon follows suit. But nobody seems to see that and or admit that.
BE was the very same BE that played last week. The only real difference? Is that his QB couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Soon, very soon, that effects those surrounding you. Soon, very soon, their motivation, confidence and production looks just like their field general.
We saw that exact thing yesterday.......................
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I think this is the second time in the history of Dawtalkdom that I agree with everything you say.  Sometimes people overlook the obvious. I do agree with Toad that one more loss will put us out of playoff contention, and that will be the time to bring Quinn in.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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Pit , i doubt if Toad is really upholding DA..I already knew in my book, he isn't the QB of the future..but it has to play out..no way can Phil say he's going to trade him..he's been given every opportunity to prove himself.
That said there are the issues of the drops, and idiots running wrong routes..
Now once that mess is straightned out (if ti can be) then all the blame goes to DA...
It will either be when the Browns are mathmatically eliminated, or season's end..but I don't expect DA to be a Brown next season.
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That happens sometimes when we're not talking politics. ATTACK So the suggestion that I'm picking up on? If it's only 70% DA's fault, keep playing him?  Until the "entire rest of the offense plays perfectly", we can't expect good QB play from our QB? I believe that's where I part ways with some posters here. I ask myself questions that many who support DA "used to use" in that support. ie....... Did he get support from the running game? Yes Did the OL give DA enough protection to be productive? Yes Did the D keep the oponents score low enough that you should "expect to win"? Yes These were what I believe to be legitimate questions in regards to DA's delimna. But now they have reverted to "nitpicking" in regards to excuses. Last week we saw how his targets "responded" when DA was accurate. DA steps up. In return his supporting cast stepped up. Do you honestly believe DA can come out SO INNACURATE and it NOT effect his supporting cast? I mean they are not in a position to "throw the ball to themselves". I know these guys are paid professionals. I know they are paid to do "their jobs". But in the end, they are still human beings. And I believe it's easy to see that as DA goes, so goes his targets. I understand the PR line of thinking. And I understand that Phil has to say what he has to say. But the history book on DA reads quite plainly IMO. When he plays well, so do his targets. When he plays poorly, his supporting cast ( targets ) follow suit. IMO- You're looking at the issue backwards. Because his targets have proven that when DA plays like a winner, they do too................... I'm going to repeat my thought process yet again............... MOST first year starters have a few growing pains. Now none of us know wheather Quinn is the answer. But wheather he is or isn't, I believe growing pains will be involved, as they "usually are". In other words, it would be unrealistic expectations IMO, to believe we can "wait until next year" to start Quinn, yet have realistic expectations in regards to "making a playoff run with a first year starter". I can't see the value of "throwing away TWO seasons" to achieve that process. IMO the longer we stay with DA this year, the greater the odds of that very thing happenning.
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