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We can call for DA's head all we want.
Until the coaching staff is in agreement that he is the one imploding , he won't be benched, unless someone higher says so.
As far as me..I said before , today and in the future he's not the QB for this team.
Now , if you have a issue with what I said about the discision the staff will make, you almost have to agree because he hasn't been yanked yet.
I don't see how I'm looking at anything backward when I'm saying how the coaching staff is handling it.
However if you are also suggesting that inserting BQ means Edwards immediately starts growing a set of ....HANDS ..and the playcalling starts to get aggressive early and is consistant..then maybe thats looking at it backwards..
Now I'm going to throw something in that I heard today listening to the Fan1460.
Scott Torgenson said that Minny offered the BROWNS TWO high picks for Quinn and both guys said they would have done that.
And they added , there are so many QB's coming out this year..
Is that really sound thinking?
Even if you want the picks is that sound thinking to trade for a rookie who really needs to sit another year, when you have the future guy(U hope) already here?
Quinn isn't the one who needs to be traded..
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However if you are also suggesting that inserting BQ means Edwards immediately starts growing a set of ....HANDS ..and the playcalling starts to get aggressive early and is consistant..then maybe thats looking at it backwards..
If Quinn's passes are more accurate to the wide open receivers they may know where to expect the ball and have their hands in the general area. If Chud has more confidence that the passes will go where intended, he may be more aggressive in his playcalling. It's a big if, but there's only one way to find out. Given the Brown's qb history, there's an argument for hesitating though....but that argument is getting weaker and weaker.
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Here's what I took issue with...................... Quote:
That said there are the issues of the drops, and idiots running wrong routes..
Now once that mess is straightned out (if ti can be) then all the blame goes to DA...
My point being, when your supporting cast loses confidence in the QB, such mental lapses and low production can be expected.
It has already been shown that they tend to step it up and be productive when DA does the same.
Other than that, I'd say we're on the same page.
That, and only that is what I believe you have backwards IMO
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Yes. We have an offensive line that will give Brady the opportunity to succeed. It is time.
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So is the arguement that Edwards' hands will get better because of a QB change, a change to a guy he hasn't worked with.
All of Edwards' drops hit him SQUARE FLUSH in the hands. His lack of a blitz-read in indicitive that his head wasn't in the game. He admitted to BOTH. So why did he say his head wasn't in the game? Because the play-calling didn't get him the ball early 
But sure, that's clearly Anderson's fault 
Anderson carries his own cross, but he isn't the only one..........
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If Quinn's passes are more accurate to the wide open receivers they may know where to expect the ball and have their hands in the general area.
Why try to sound so scientific?
Neither am I talking about accuracy and timing..I'm talking reciever catching a pass thats right there in their hands...and edwards is having a season of big drops..passes that are ON TARGET either in his belly or right in his hands.
If Chud has more confidence that the passes will go where intended, he may be more aggressive in his playcalling.
What?
Why did he come out calling slants and big hits against the Giants but has DA THROW little short passes and get real conservative against a banged up D?
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Maybe I should use spellcheck cuze I didn't do well typing that sentence out..
I mean when it's determined by them that DA is the main problem, they'll yank him..thats what I see..but I think it's a shorter leashe now..
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Gotchya!  I do the same thing sometimes.  Often times that's what I'm trying to do. Understand exactly what a poster means by certain comments. Thanks.
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This is one thing that bothered me and I commented on it..
When your star reciever says the reason he dropped passes because he couldn't concentrate since he wasn't getting the ball early, there is more goin on than DA.
Now where did we hear that before?
Quincy-ball Morgan..So the Browns have another issue of their stud guy actually doing what he did in college..drop passes..the EASY ONES..
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While I understand Pryor is a freshman and it's college football.....this is what I want to see from DA: LINK
EAST LANSING, Mich. -- He stood with his back against a wall, the position in which Terrelle Pryor apparently thrives.
Moments after Ohio State's freshman quarterback led an out-of-the-blue 45-7 blowout of Michigan State yesterday, Pryor was still smoldering, unable to put out the competitive fire that had burned so fiercely inside him during a difficult week.
Of course he had heard the questions and the doubts -- how could he not? After a lethargic 16-3 victory over Purdue, in which the offense did not score a touchdown, critics once again wondered whether Pryor was as good as advertised.
Maybe a return to senior quarterback Todd Boeckman could help this club, some speculated.
So on Friday, Pryor stopped into coach Jim Tressel's office.
"I said, 'Coach, if I don't move the ball within the first quarter, sit me down,' " Pryor recalled. " 'You'd better sit me down and put Todd in, because Todd will do it.' "
Tressel said in 23 years as a coach, he's never had a player say such a thing.
"I said, 'Just relax,' " Tressel said. " 'Now, if you throw (an interception), don't worry, you won't have to make that request.' " Why can't DA own up to his poor play? Why can't RAC see that we've only had "good DA" for 1.5 of our 6 games? Quinn may or may not be the savior but I'm ready to see what he can do. I KNOW what DA can do....and it SUCKS!
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The thing about that quote is upsetting to me is, Tressel has told Pryor if he throws an INT at all he is going to pull him?
Maybe this is why Pryor looks so hesitant to make a decision he is afraid of the mistake he is done.
Tressel is really starting to irk me with the playcalling on offense.
That was kind of OT, none the les I needed to get that off my chest.
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See, this is the issue we pretty much disagree on.
I still say that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. If that link gives way, the entire chain is broken.
If you have passes thrown at your feet, five yards over your head, etc..... it will tend to take you out of your game.
I do strongly consider that if your supporting cast (targets ) have little to no confidence in their QB, that there is a direct corilation between that and the performance of your targets.
As someone else mentioned, the same WR's in Atlanta that were considered a hazard because they dropped Vick's passes, now look pretty good with Ryan.
IMO- That same situation exists here. It could be that time will answer this question and how it applies to the Browns....................
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Yes, I wasn't really happy about Tress's comment but it's Pryor's comment that impressed me. If he can understand that a struggling QB should get pulled for the sake of the team.....why can't DA or RAC see that too?
I get that the Manning brothers, Tom Brady, Favre and other star QB's have earned the right to play their way through a long slump but DA has done nothing to prove he belongs in that class. He choked away the 2007 season and he's on his way to crushing the 2008 season. Super, he gets hot from time to time......but he hasn't proved to be a star QB a team can count on week in and week out.
I'm done with DA. I want him off my team now. I know that's not really possible or smart....but I'm done with his junk. Trade him in the offseason to Minnesota, trade BE and Winslow if they continue to stink or bark about their contracts. I'm SICK of losing. We have the talent to be at least a .500 team but the coach is too stuborn to bench the cold QB.
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You don't deny that he said it but you say it's because of not having confidence in their QB..BS..
Why was he catching stuff last week even though he had drops?
Now look at this further...Edwards say he wasn't getting the ball early..(like the NY game) so he went into a funk.
Huh?
Suppose Quinn's in there and the Browns aren't going to Edwards early..and then he starts dropping stuff..U gonna say he doesn't have confidence in the QB or is it his freaking head is so big he can't just do his job and be patient?
If the PASS is in your hands , no excuse for a drop..none..
I don't care if they don't have confidence in DA..WHEN THAT [pass is on target and you have it..and you drop it, thats weak..you can't say that your head wasn't in the game.
Sorry you get paid to catch the ball..do it..when the passe are off target..the right people calling the shots will note it.
While I know DA is a problem, Edwards is becoming as inconsistant ..because you don't know when that drop wll come..and thats bad...
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He is the root cause of a circus of a team.
I literally quit reading right there 
Stop where ever you like but eventually your going to realize that DA is what he is.
He was a streaky college player who made poor decisions and threw a s-load of picks in college.
He's going to be the same as a pro...and he is...
I'm not saying there isn't other issues. There is...But your nuts if you think all of the other issues is the problem why DA sucks.
DA sucks because he is Derek Anderson. He is what he is.
The browns got out of him what they needed... and then some...He was to keep the seat warm for Quinn....Fortunately he overachieved and made last season tolerable... but all is leveling off now... He's inaccurate, stares down receivers, has only one speed to throw the ball. Teams have him figured out. If he performed like this in his first 6 or 7 starts last year... Quinn would have the reigns handed to him no questions asked. His performance is unacceptable. What the hell is Romeo waiting for now?!?! I mean DA started to level off last Dec...He has the data, its time for Romeo to wake up and make the switch....DA served his purpose, time for Quinn. No excuses can be made for him.
DA is NOT the future of this team.
Bench him.
If Savage turned down two first rounders for Quinn...That's saying something...It's only a matter of time....Romeo just tends to adjust a little slower than the avg. head coach...
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You don't deny that he said it but you say it's because of not having confidence in their QB..BS..
Why was he catching stuff last week even though he had drops?
Now look at this further...Edwards say he wasn't getting the ball early..(like the NY game) so he went into a funk.
Huh?
Let me pose this to you ATTACK;
What is he supposed to say?............. "I have no confidence in DA being accurate. And when he starts out erratic, it effects my play."
Hell, KW2 got pulled in for a "heart to heart"  with RAC for "telling the truth". But you expect people to believe the "company line"?
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Suppose Quinn's in there and the Browns aren't going to Edwards early..and then he starts dropping stuff..U gonna say he doesn't have confidence in the QB or is it his freaking head is so big he can't just do his job and be patient?
I'd say if Quinn starts out consistantly underthrowing, overthrowing and hanging his WR's out to dry, in that case the results would be similar. Just as my example in Atlanta. If BQ was "relatively accurate", we wouldn't have that situation. But on the limited times we've seen Quinn, he didn't appear "irratic".
Like I said earlier, only time will tell us who is right on this one. I can see your point. And it may have merrit. It also may not. How do you explain the Atlanta WR's "suddenly catching the ball more consistantly" by changing QB's then?
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If the PASS is in your hands , no excuse for a drop..none..
I don't care if they don't have confidence in DA..WHEN THAT [pass is on target and you have it..and you drop it, thats weak..you can't say that your head wasn't in the game.
Sorry you get paid to catch the ball..do it..when the passe are off target..the right people calling the shots will note it.
While I know DA is a problem, Edwards is becoming as inconsistant ..because you don't know when that drop wll come..and thats bad...
We have a lot invested in BE. He has serious skills. With that in mind, I have no problem seeing what he can do with a "more consistant QB".
When one in five "hits you in the hands", you might be more shocked it actually hit you there than anything else.
Don't get me wrong, BE should be catching those balls. But I can also understand how disheartenning it would be when only one week out of six, ( this year ), your QB is accurate enough to win in the NFL.
I can see where your position "may" have merrit. It also may not. There are two sides to every coin. ( just ask RAC )
I'm just willing to look at both of them.......................
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The best recievers in the game catch passes that are what is termed "catchable balls" without this problem.. Now they don't lose concentration as often , and I've heard the great ones say they're always ready for a pass.. Think of this suppose the running attack is producing huge chunks of yards..there's no need to throw..so should he lose focus , not knowing when he's going to get thrown to? Look at the blitz assignment he missed..wasn't even noticing the backers coming up to rush..thats a hot read and one he should have been aware of... All he had to do was slant down inside of the vacant area..doesn't mean DA would have hit him cleanly but as the # 1 WR he has to do his job and let the rest fall on DA... Me eyes tell me he has poor technique and poor concentration because when he drops one that hits him square in the gut or hands and he muffs it he KNEW it WAS COMING..he just can't make the catch. Again this is not discussing the errant throws .. Pit c'on..you can see it too..Edwards looks the pass in his hands then it pops out..
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Me eyes tell me he has poor technique and poor concentration because when he drops one that hits him square in the gut or hands and he muffs it he KNEW it WAS COMING..he just can't make the catch.
He has been like this since UM  ...Why? I cant say for sure, but maybe he should think on catching 1st. and celibrating 2nd.? JMO.
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Now look at this further...Edwards say he wasn't getting the ball early..(like the NY game) so he went into a funk.
Huh?
This even further punctuates my point IMO
What he "saw" in the New York game was a VERY accurate DA. He "saw" that when he did get oppertunities, they would be accurate. That DA was giving them play that could win the game.
Thus, a good performance from BE. When you watch balls being overthrown, underthrown and totaly innacurate, you don't see "the chance to win". What was he, 5-15 at one point? Nah,
All WR's are human. Can you name me one who doesn't drop passes? Wes Welker maybe?
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So is the arguement that Edwards' hands will get better because of a QB change, a change to a guy he hasn't worked with.
All of Edwards' drops hit him SQUARE FLUSH in the hands.
I'm not saying it's going to happen but I'm certainly open to the possibility that it will improve.
For one, maybe playing with Brady and expecting better passes will help keep his head in the game. Not saying that he SHOULD have to have a switch to keep his head in the game but some players are more difficult to work with than others.
Secondly, I happen to believe Brady throws a much more catchable ball. For example: put yourself in front of a baseball home plate. I'll set the pitching machine to throw the ball right over the plate two times. For the first time, I'll set the machine to 50 MPH. The second time, it'll be throwing 100 MPH. Now... which of these is harder to hit at such a close range? This is not to excuse the drops at all but the exact same kind of drops seem to happen all the time with quarterbacks that have a cannon that only has one speed (see: Michael Vick).
Regardless, Brady and DA are two very different quarterbacks you'd have to be pretty blind to reality to suggest that things won't change by switching one for the other. Now... I'm not claiming to know what that change will be at this point but given the circumstances, can that change really be all that much worse?
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Again this is not discussing the errant throws .. Pit c'on..you can see it too..Edwards looks the pass in his hands then it pops out..
I know "you" aren't wanting to factor DA into the equasion here. And that's fine if you so choose not to do so.
And yes, I think he drops FAR more passes than he should. I'm not trying to contradict you on that nor am I saying he "should" let DA's performance impact his.
But as we both saw last week, comon' ATTACK, you saw it too..................
..............when DA has a great game like last week, BE elevated his game as well. When DA stunk up the joint this week, BE's game looked sub par as well.
I know that TO dropped a lot of passes in his prime as well. But it was his "game changing ability" that made him a hot commodity at the time. BE has that same ability. I would rather give him "the oppertunity" to play with an accurate QB, than throw him away before he gets that oppertunity. Because I saw just last week, that when our QB produces well, so does BE.
I'm not ready to throw KW2 and BE under the bus because they're simply fed up with far less than mediocrity and are disgruntled. Because from where I sit, they feel no differently than most of the fan base. And I can't blame them.............
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..............when DA has a great game like last week, BE elevated his game as well. When DA stunk up the joint this week, BE's game looked sub par as well.
Are you saying that he just plays sub par because of the qb?
Im cunfused, so if he is indeed a good wr he is only so so when the qb is?
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My argument is that even if Edwards catches every ball thrown his way, it doesn't change much... his first drop was a 3rd and 8, and he was going to get tackled with a 4 yard gain.. we would have punted anyway...
His second drop there was a defensive penalty and we got the first down any way... his third drop we picked up the first down on the next play... So BE has his own work to do but BEs drops didn't cost us a single first down... DA's poor throws and poor decisions cost us quite a few.... and those poor throws and decisions kill drives, kill momentum etc and end up making everybody look worse, including Chud... how can you get creative in a game where you have 3 first downs in the first half? You have to stay on the field to start opening up the playbook.
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Are you saying that he just plays sub par because of the qb?
Im cunfused, so if he is indeed a good wr he is only so so when the qb is?
I would say that when your QB plays so poorly you have little hope of winning, it will most likely impact the overall play of your targets, yes.
Like I keep bringing up, yet nobody seems willing to address, why are Atlanta's WR's "kicking it up a notch" with Matt Ryan at QB over Michael Vick?
And on a side note P, I'm not stating this "as fact", but rather a theory. And I'm basing it on how well BE played in the Giants game. When DA performed well, so did BE. This week, when DA played poorly, so did BE.
Once again, BE has "game changing skills". Why would people wish to ship him down the river BEFORE we give him an accurate QB to work with?
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If a RB fails to produce whether due to missing the holes or lack of determination...he often is replaced.
If an OLineman continuously blows an assignment and the QB gets creamed...he often is replaced.
If a MLB is playing out of position and fails to make initial contact near the line of scrimage...he often is replaced.
Why are we so damned concerned with the psyche of D. Anderson? Pull him and let him ride the bench until he realizes that he is a main part of our problem.
If BQ blows then decide who gives you the better chance of winning...if BQ excels you have no problem.
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I hate to say it be BE has been DA's best friend thus far this season... because even if BE catches everything he's dropped, DA would still be having a lousy year and that much more attention would be focused on it... JMHO.
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I tend to agree with that DC. I mean, if BE were catching those balls, as you pointed out, it wouldn't have made a damned bit of difference Sunday. So had he caught them, what else could those upholding him have to blame his utter failure on? 
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His helmet radio issues?
That's a whole different thread...............
Or.............we gave up too many rushing yards...........
Even though our D held them to 14 points.
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FIrst, it's not simply drops, PIt. Would it have made a difference if he had read the blitz and ran the hot route on that crucial drive? Would it have made a difference if he had run the right route on the last pass attempt, allowing Dawson to be WELL within his range? As much as you want to dismiss how negatively he affects the offense, I will remind you of something someone said (today) that thinks they know a few things about football. When you're getting paid MILLIONS of dollars, you are expected to execute. I don't know if it's funny or ironic that you hold DA and RAC to such lofty standards and look to excuse BE and even go so far as to blame DA for BE's performance. The guy is a professional. It doens't matter if every pass ends up in the nose bleed section. It's his job that he's getting paid millions to do, to be focused and execute. Why is BE different than DA? The answer is that he's not, but I think the answer for you is BQ is sitting on the bench. That's not a slam, just an honest observation
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FIrst, it's not simply drops, PIt. Would it have made a difference if he had read the blitz and ran the hot route on that crucial drive? Would it have made a difference if he had run the right route on the last pass attempt, allowing Dawson to be WELL within his range? As much as you want to dismiss how negatively he affects the offense, I will remind you of something someone said (today) that thinks they know a few things about football. When you're getting paid MILLIONS of dollars, you are expected to execute. I don't know if it's funny or ironic that you hold DA and RAC to such lofty standards and look to excuse BE and even go so far as to blame DA for BE's performance. The guy is a professional. It doens't matter if every pass ends up in the nose bleed section. It's his job that he's getting paid millions to do, to be focused and execute. Why is BE different than DA? The answer is that he's not, but I think the answer for you is BQ is sitting on the bench. That's not a slam, just an honest observation
Listen. I know your user name says "Coach" but where in the hell do you get off saying BE ran the wrong route on the last play before the kick?!
Are you assuming because the throw was so bad it looked like it should have been a differ route?
Or because BE had a bad game...therefore he must have ran the wrong route....
Or...better yet...
Are you the Browns coach?, were you in the huddle?...let me guess despite what the announcers said, despite the fact no one other than a few posters on the board have brought this up, your superior knowledge somehow trumps all... and because DA needs a goat...and because BE played a poor game you assume the guy ran the wrong route because DA is usually dead accurate right?
All we know is what we saw on that last play...and when it matters ...same old story..... WR open, DA misses... That game was a tale of two qb's played out.... Campbell is progressing, DA is regressing...
Campbell made the plays he had to...DA missed Stallworth, missed Winslow, missed Lewis, etc, etc, etc...
He had opportunity after opportunity...and Can find no rhythm or consistency.
Theres no denying BE is playing crappy...But he isn't as easily replaceable..and oh yea.... There isn't a 1st rounder sitting behind him. BE doesn't touch the ball EVERY snap...nor does he have to....DA is held to a higher standard..like it or not...He's got the future behind him and he's the chief of this tribe right now so when its good its good but when its bad...its on him...and it has been bad for quite some time.. ...While there is certainly some other holes on this offense... Don't you think fixing the biggest leak would be a good start?
Romeo all but admitted the team stunk it up ...Romeo is the king of stating the blatantly obvious....Theres no denying it was a team effort in losing but DA and BE held hands crossing the finish line...The problem here is though...its usually, and has been JUST DA dating back to last season...
Luckily Mr. Obvious Crennel didn't have any problem mentioning DA played terrible football...finally....and for once he didn't vehemently just repeat "Brady will be ready" He said he(Quinn) is on high alert (as usual)...and he isn't ready to answer if Quinn will play against Jax...Which is better than his usual obvious answers....
At some point everyone has to stop over thinking this... step back and look at the numbers. If it weren't for what he did last season DA would've been out at half of the Cinci game this year and even with what he did last year he still should've been benched imo....But...to Romeo... He earned his chance to try and play through whatever has plagued him since December and has failed, and failed, and failed again. His time is up. Bench him. One good game since last Dec. is unacceptable.
Can you give me a reason why DA should be in there instead of Quinn?
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I'm going to speak for Pit here, and I hope he doesn't mind. If I'm wrong on this, just correct me.
I don't believe he is excusing BE nor holding him to less of a standard than DA and RAC. But he is offering a possible reason for his bad play. There's a difference there. He laid out a very plausible reason why BE is playing the way he is and offered an example of the Giants game as one that he excelled. We could throw in most of last year as well.
I thought the Attack and Pit debate was a good one and both arguments have merit. But I tend to side with Pit here. I believe the entire funk that is this offense starts with DA and has trickled down to those who wouldn't otherwise have the capacity to overcome them. J.Lewis is going to play the same on any team all the time, good or bad. The guy is a beast physically and mentally. BE is kind of a mental midget who happens to be ultra talented physically. He doesn't have the same capacity to overcome. If some want to take the "he's a professional, it shouldn't matter" approach, then the reality of the situation is just being ignored. It's a part of his makeup as much as it is for Lewis to always be a beast.
It all starts with DA on this offense. He's not a good QB, and I don't believe he ever will be. The sooner we can move onto the next best thing, the better off we will be. Other guys have made mistakes on this offense - some that make DA look bad - but he is by far the biggest offender, and it's not even close.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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He "knows" someone with the team.
#gmstrong #gmlapdance
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I'm going to speak for Pit here, and I hope he doesn't mind. If I'm wrong on this, just correct me.
I don't believe he is excusing BE nor holding him to less of a standard than DA and RAC. But he is offering a possible reason for his bad play. There's a difference there. He laid out a very plausible reason why BE is playing the way he is and offered an example of the Giants game as one that he excelled. We could throw in most of last year as well.
I thought the Attack and Pit debate was a good one and both arguments have merit. But I tend to side with Pit here. I believe the entire funk that is this offense starts with DA and has trickled down to those who wouldn't otherwise have the capacity to overcome them. J.Lewis is going to play the same on any team all the time, good or bad. The guy is a beast physically and mentally. BE is kind of a mental midget who happens to be ultra talented physically. He doesn't have the same capacity to overcome. If some want to take the "he's a professional, it shouldn't matter" approach, then the reality of the situation is just being ignored. It's a part of his makeup as much as it is for Lewis to always be a beast.
It all starts with DA on this offense. He's not a good QB, and I don't believe he ever will be. The sooner we can move onto the next best thing, the better off we will be. Other guys have made mistakes on this offense - some that make DA look bad - but he is by far the biggest offender, and it's not even close.
Stop making sense Rish. You're really killing the debate in here.
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He "knows" someone with the team.
It must be DA...
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No, far from DA, but hey, let's not let what really happened stand in the way of blindly defending a player that has been just as bad as the one you are crucifying.
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I won't say it's not "close" because it is. Has DA been terrible? For the 4,329th time, YES. Yet BE has been every bit as bad. Droping 40 some percent of the passes thrown to him, running the wrong routes, rounding off routes, and getting into an admitted "funk" because he didn't get the ball soon enough and losing focus. None of that falls on DA. It all "starts" and ends with BE. The point is that Pit said in another thread that if someone is terrible and geting paid millions of dollars, you bench him or fire him. Well, BE has been terrible and I"ve yet to see anyone call for his benching. I'm not defending DA. I have said repeatedly I think BQ is the QB. I just want people to understand what is actually wrong with this team. It goes FAR beyond DA, though he is a large part of the problem. If the fans don't realize that, they are going to be in for a bitter disappointment when BQ is handed the reigns and many of the problems are still there. Then the cut BQ/trade BQ will start. I'd rather people understand the ENTIRE problem with the offense and place responsibility in correct shares to those responsible. Wouldn't you? 
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I won't say it's not "close" because it is. Has DA been terrible? For the 4,329th time, YES. Yet BE has been every bit as bad. Droping 40 some percent of the passes thrown to him, running the wrong routes, rounding off routes, and getting into an admitted "funk" because he didn't get the ball soon enough and losing focus. None of that falls on DA. It all "starts" and ends with BE.
The point is that Pit said in another thread that if someone is terrible and geting paid millions of dollars, you bench him or fire him. Well, BE has been terrible and I"ve yet to see anyone call for his benching.
I'm not defending DA. I have said repeatedly I think BQ is the QB. I just want people to understand what is actually wrong with this team. It goes FAR beyond DA, though he is a large part of the problem. If the fans don't realize that, they are going to be in for a bitter disappointment when BQ is handed the reigns and many of the problems are still there. Then the cut BQ/trade BQ will start. I'd rather people understand the ENTIRE problem with the offense and place responsibility in correct shares to those responsible. Wouldn't you?
I understand it. I just can't figure out why the hell PROFESSIONALS are making these stoopid mistakes.
Is it a refusal to run the right routes or is it mental lapse? If it's mental, how can you be that dumb when the 2nd year in a system it should be habit????
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It's immaturity. Nothing more, nothing less.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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