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RENTON, Wash. (AP) -- Mike Holmgren's hopes of avoiding the second 1-5 start of his 17-year coaching career rest upon a backup quarterback who has a sore leg and will make his first start in two years.
Seattle's coach confirmed Friday that Seneca Wallace will start Sunday night at Tampa Bay (4-2). This week's practices proved Wallace's 5-week-old calf injury has healed enough for him to replace Charlie Frye, the third-stringer who was skittish and ineffective in last week's loss to Green Bay.
"He looked OK. More importantly, he feels OK," a "relieved" Holmgren said of Wallace. "It's going to be his ballgame -- unless something happens in the next two days."
With these Seahawks, the caveat is necessary.
Matt Hasselbeck will not even make Saturday's trip to Florida. The three-time Pro Bowl passer is continuing core strengthening exercises in his back for a bulging disk, which is pressing on a nerve and weakening his hyperextended right knee. Hasselbeck is out indefinitely.
Friday brought news that Billy McMullen sustained a compound fracture of the pinkie on his right hand in practice the previous day and will be out a while. McMullen is the seventh Seahawk at that position to get hurt this season.
Deion Branch is questionable with a bruised heel, but his side work with a trainer on Friday was the first time he's been on the field in weeks. He will make the trip. Holmgren is holding out hope Branch will play his second game since reconstructive knee surgery in February.
Jordan Kent, signed off the practice squad last week, will be active to give Seattle four healthy -- if not proven -- wide receivers against the Buccaneers.
He will join Bobby Engram, who returned from a broken shoulder two games ago and leads the team with eight catches; Koren Robinson, who made his season debut last week after having a sore knee; and Keary Colbert, who has three receptions in three games since Seattle acquired him in trade from Denver last month.
"What can you say that hasn't already been said?" Holmgren asked about his wide receiver saga, while laughing instead of crying.
Wallace may be facing rust and well as pain in his calf. This will be his first start since Nov. 19, 2006; he went 2-2 while Hasselbeck missed four games that season with a knee injury. The Seahawks' fourth-round draft choice in 2003 didn't even play much this preseason because Holmgren wanted Frye to get a better grasp of the offense in game situations.
"It's different, being out a little bit," the soft-spoken, even-keeled Wallace said. "But I've been here a while."
Holmgren said he felt more comfortable calling all the team's plays with Wallace. Frye arrived in a trade from Cleveland 13 months ago.
The Seahawks will make another lineup change in search of a spark. Speedy Darryl Tapp will start at defensive end instead of Lawrence Jackson, the first-round draft choice. Tapp tied a team record with four sacks in a game last season against St. Louis while playing with a cast over a hand he broke early in the game.
Jackson had two sacks in five starts. Those came in Week 2 against San Francisco when quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan ran away from the pocket into the rookie from Southern California.
"I know there are things I need to get better on," Jackson said. "This is by no means a wake-up call, to me. I'm my own worst critic."
On offense, Holmgren said usual first-teamer Sean Locklear will start at right tackle, but that Ray Willis will alternate with him. Willis performed well while Locklear missed the first three games with a sprained knee.
Through all the changes, injuries and losses, offensive coordinator Gil Haskell thinks his four-time defending NFC West champions could pull off a surprise against an aggressive Buccaneers defense. Seattle has won seven of the eight meetings with Tampa Bay.
"This is a huge game," Haskell said. "They think they can kick us pretty good. I think we can do it."
Do I care? Not perticularly. However, I know many around here still do.
Savage can't be proud of that pick. Even if Opie had skipped over Frye and decided on any of the other QB's who went in the 3rd round, he'd have still been screwed:
Charlie Frye
Andrew Walter
David Green
Blecht.
Where he really blew it was the Perkins pick in round 4. There's numerous good players who went after Perkins that would have helped this team immensely:
Marion Barber
Brandon Jacobs
Kyle Orton (*L* Who knew he'd be having this kind of year?!?! Certainly not me!)
David Stewart, OT Titans
Derron Sproles
Chris Canty
Yeah, that's right...I'm bored and can't sleep.
We gotta ding Savage for throwing away a 3rd rounder on Frye, but at least he made up for the mistake by ditching Frye ASAP and handing things over to Anderson. Too bad Frye didn't have it in him....
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but at least he made up for the mistake by ditching Frye ASAP and handing things over to Anderson
Jury's still out on that one. At least for a few more games, IMO.
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I remember so many arguing with me when I said that Frye was a terrible QB ...... The guy just has nothing that a successful QB needs. He's got 3-5 yard accuracy, and that's about it. I could probably be accurate on a 3-5 yard throw on 3rd and 10.  Holmgren was gonna "fix" him ...... but that experiment seems to have failed miserably. That's not really surprising, given his skills , or lack thereof, demonstrated during his time in Cleveland.
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Come on Otto....surely you aren't saying you would rather have Frye??
You're my bud, but that is goofy.
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Savage can't be proud of that pick. Even if Opie had skipped over Frye and decided on any of the other QB's who went in the 3rd round, he'd have still been screwed:
David Green
Hey hey... David Green should have gotten a chance with someone.. The guy won TONS of games for Georgia.   
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I don't think he's saying he would rather have Frye, I think he's saying the jury is still out on DA.
And it will be for the remainder of the year, IMO.
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I remember so many arguing with me when I said that Frye was a terrible QB ......
The guy just has nothing that a successful QB needs. He's got 3-5 yard accuracy, and that's about it. I could probably be accurate on a 3-5 yard throw on 3rd and 10.
Holmgren was gonna "fix" him ...... but that experiment seems to have failed miserably. That's not really surprising, given his skills , or lack thereof, demonstrated during his time in Cleveland.
Me too...hell, some people painted it like I had personal beef with the guy.
No, I was just sick of him not getting the ball out on time and making an already bad line look worse.
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We all see things differently. I see otto as way off base. Very biased, very much a Ohio boy/area take. Among other things.  When you take a look at DA's NFL body of work and then look at CF's there is no comparison.  There were arguments on here I read a while back about CF being Seattles #2. Those who said CF was were way off base too. Seneca Wallace has been Seattles #2 two for years. CF has not come close to unseating him over the past year. SW has been hurt. The offense in Seatlle under CF has been pared way back and he still can't manage it. He has been inconsistant, has made countless poor decisions and over all has stunk.  By the way, the jury doesn't have a clue. IMO And never has. IMO.
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Charlie should feel very fortunate, There's alot of good QB's out there that you'll never hear about because they never had the opportunities. For a 3rd rd QB he's been giving more chances to succeed than most could ever dream about.
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but at least he made up for the mistake by ditching Frye ASAP and handing things over to Anderson
Jury's still out on that one. At least for a few more games, IMO.
NO, the jury is not still out. Anderson, even with his flaws, is lightyears ahead of frye. i love charlie frye, watched him through college...but lets be serious man.
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Chalk Frye up on the list of QBs who the Browns put into straightjackets... That sack on the first third down of the Browns/Steelers game last year where James Harrison ran right through Schaffer effectively ended Frye's career. He hasn't been stable since. We are lucky Savage got anything for him at that point.
Tim Couch can sympathize.
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Chalk Frye up on the list of QBs who the Browns put into straightjackets... That sack on the first third down of the Browns/Steelers game last year where James Harrison ran right through Schaffer effectively ended Frye's career. He hasn't been stable since. We are lucky Savage got anything for him at that point.
Tim Couch can sympathize.
I timed it...Frye had a good amount of time to find a guy and throw. Savage even said 5 of the 6 sacks Frye gave up that game were NOT the OL's fault.
Frye would have been sacked 6 times against the Giants last week, and we all talk about how great the protection was.
He just doesn't see the field with clarity.
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" so! " and why is this here? Maybe there is 1 out of a thousand reason to have this here. I don't see any reason to pile on the player, that hasn't been piled on enough. I could see a reason for this on a Seattle board. I wouln't even bump this if it wasn't at the top.
For anybody who says the Jury is still out, on Anderson, I think it will always be out. Because it is plain to see, to me anyway, that except for injury Derek isn't going away for a while. ( and by away I mean leaving the NFL)
Because after games like last week and week 2 last year, and a 7 game stretch last season, and what he did 2 years ago, there is going to be a place in the NFL for a healthy Derek Anderson.
I bet theres a few teams who wish they had him right now.
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Don't really care cause he is no longer a Brown. But my best friend here is a big time Seahawk fan so was hoping he would be all that for him.
Watched the game and it was a shame. Frye didn't have a chance. They wouldn't throw on first down, 2nd down and almost always was left with a 3rd and long situation with a one man OL. It was that way till the 4th quarter and they were down by more than one score so they went to a pass situation.
Again the D was able to pin their ears back and the OL was not that good but neither was Frye...2 INTs, he did have one more TD.
But overall what I thought of was Holmgren watched his typical "LOUSY" play in practice and was too scared to go with passes...heck I remember by their 20 on a doable 3rd n 6 they ran the ball....downs 1, 2 and 3...all runs and punt. That was early on and the first thing I thought of was WOW does Holmgren think Frye sucks or what?  Then I remember his propensity to look real bad in practices.
JMHO...well maybe someday he will be a very good back-up.
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" so! " and why is this here? Maybe there is 1 out of a thousand reason to have this here.
The same reason any thread is here: To talk.
Frye represents many things above and beyond his status with the Seahawks.
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I wouln't even bump this if it wasn't at the top.
Yet you felt a compulsion to comment, which answers your question as to why it's here. 
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SIGH, why do you coninuously ignore that the WRs and KW2 contantly ran the wrong routes? Its been discussed here and veriifed through the media. Yet, you ignore that and say that Frye didn't see the field clearly. Knda hard to see the field clearly and get the ball out quickly when you have no idea f the WR will be where he's supposed to.
You have been accused of making it personal because you leave out verified facts to blame Frye and ignore others contributions to the problems.
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but at least he made up for the mistake by ditching Frye ASAP and handing things over to Anderson
Jury's still out on that one. At least for a few more games, IMO.
I love this board! Jury is still out on the pro bowl QB!
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SIGH, why do you coninuously ignore that the WRs and KW2 contantly ran the wrong routes? Its been discussed here and veriifed through the media. Yet, you ignore that and say that Frye didn't see the field clearly. Knda hard to see the field clearly and get the ball out quickly when you have no idea f the WR will be where he's supposed to.
It's funny how K2 and Edwards immediately started running the right routes the second Frye was pulled and Anderson was put in.
It's also very curious the way the OL immediately started playing better....only one sack, 184 yards in the air the remainder of the game....hmmmm.... 
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One of the rare "looks" into draft day.
Savage said that Charlie Frye was the second highest rated player on the board when their pick came up in the third round. The other player was CB Ellis Hobbs...a player later picked by the NE Patriots and today a very capable starter.
I wonder if Savage kicks himself for that pick and the fact that he let the cat out of the bag that Hobbs was the higher rated guy.
btw...I would love to be in that room on draft day.
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SIGH, why do you coninuously ignore that the WRs and KW2 contantly ran the wrong routes? Its been discussed here and veriifed through the media. Yet, you ignore that and say that Frye didn't see the field clearly. Knda hard to see the field clearly and get the ball out quickly when you have no idea f the WR will be where he's supposed to.
You have been accused of making it personal because you leave out verified facts to blame Frye and ignore others contributions to the problems.
So all of a sudden, Winslow and Braylon ran right routes and we became a 10 win team.
I think you should ban yourself from Frye debates, Coach. You clearly know the kid on a personal level and cannot accept seeing anyone being critical of his ability.
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you had a good run Hank.
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I never put any value to the words of GM's after they've made their selections for obvious reasons. Having said that, you can bet your bottom dollar he'd love to have that pick back, and wouldn't say what he did about Hobbs. Although, it would have been worse if he'd have said the name of some other player that bombed out as well, hehe.
As for Frye, he is what he is, which is a scrambler. He'll never be a gifted passer, which will always make him a backup. He's the kind of guy that I see making it to one more team, then starting his post-football career because nobody wants what he brings to the table.
There's no guarantee that Opie would have picked a winner instead of Frye, but we do know he picked the wrong guy. In a way, how nice would it have been if we HADN'T of picked Frye, and left the job to some other shlep like Dilfer? Maybe we'd have had Anderson show up a bit earlier, saving us from wasting a pick on another QB, and stuck with Anderson as the developmental QB......
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Well Dilfer and Carthon couldn't work together. One knew what they were doing and one did not and Dilfer isn't one to eat his words. If if if....there's a saying in there somewhere! 
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LOL, I have been critical of Charlie. It's when there is UNFAIR criticism that I say something. It has been reported in the media as well as what I said, and others with inside info, that K2 and BE ran the wrong routes quite frequently season before last. In fact, in one game it was charted to close to 40%. That creates habits for the QB of hesitating to make sure the WRs run the right routes. IT isn't a matter of one day they do and one day they don't. It is a matter of an entire off season for them to finally start getting it. That doesn't mean that the QB is going to suddenly trust them to do so the first half of the first game the following season. In fact, K2 STILL lines up in the wrong place and someone else has to tell him where to line up FREQUENTLY. That's been reported by the media, too. Guess that wasn't so "sunddenly".  As for knowing Charlie, that only means I like the kid. I know the players where I coach, but that doesn't mean I don't critique their performance. Just more of the same old dismising of the general consensus not based on fact.
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Let me throw in as well:
It's not necessarily always running wrong routes. In different sets (and our O was included in this per multiple media reports) the playbook is designed where both the receiver and the QB make route reads at the line before the snap. The route may change based upon the D alignment. Charlie may have read them one way, while the wideouts were reading them another, not getting on the same page that often.
This was the case for the Giants the other night against our Browns; on more than one occasion with Burress. He and Eli weren't on the same page in reading routes at the line.......
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2 things here........Yes, I meant the jury was still out on DA, not that I wanted Charlie back. Although, I don't think he's nearly as bad as he's made out to be on here.
Secondly, you can't seriously say that the Pro Bowl appearance by DA has anything to do with his performance this year, can you? The guy has pretty well sucked in 5 games and played great in one. Maybe you can live with that ratio but I'm having kind of a hard time with it.
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Savage said that Charlie Frye was the second highest rated player on the board when their pick came up in the third round. The other player was CB Ellis Hobbs...a player later picked by the NE Patriots and today a very capable starter.
I wonder if Savage kicks himself for that pick and the fact that he let the cat out of the bag that Hobbs was the higher rated guy.
He probably booted himself for letting the cat out of the bag..I understand why he did it..but it was me..I would done things a whole lot differently in that draft..
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Because after games like last week and week 2 last year, and a 7 game stretch last season, and what he did 2 years ago, there is going to be a place in the NFL for a healthy Derek Anderson.
I bet theres a few teams who wish they had him right now.
They can have him for 2 cookies, and a small drink. 
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Winslow is known for breaking off routes and Braylon still can't catch. BTW how is DA looking this year? After throwing for 17 yards in the 1st half he should be cut or traded like Frye, RIGHT?
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