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Savage says it's likely to be D.A., Quinn again in 2009 Sunday, October 19, 2008 BY STEVE DOERSCHUK STEVE.DOERSCHUK@CANTONREP.COMBrowns General Manager Phil Savage says he was asked by both the McCain and Obama camps to help them wrestle for valuable votes in Ohio. The Browns general manager declined in each instance. "If you're 4-0," he quipped, "you can probably go out and dabble in politics." Savage, whose approval rating is up now that his team is 2-3 after a Monday night stunner, drew a laugh with the remark at a special Canton Browns Backers meeting last week. The previous night, "Joe the plumber" became a focal point of McCain-Obama debate. Savage addressed the Canton crowd with Joe, his brother. Joe Savage collected questions from the audience and read them to the man of the hour. One that had ears perking up was about the future of Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn as a quarterback tandem. Savage said there is a realistic chance Anderson and Quinn both will be Browns teammates again in 2009. Money is not a problem, he said. "Brady is making about what the average No. 2 quarterback is making around the NFL," he said. Savage conceded that it is unlikely Quinn and Anderson will be teammates much past 2009. Savage on: • Taking a 2-3 record into games at Washington, at Jacksonville and at home against Baltimore: "The most critical run of the season is coming up the next three weeks." • A wide-open race for 2008 NFL supremacy: "Twenty teams could go win the Super Bowl. We feel like we're one of those." • One benefit of Joshua Cribbs occasionally lining up at quarterback: "It's something other teams have to work on." • Going 0-4 in the preseason: "That probably did play with our minds a little bit ... the NFL is all from the neck up." • Standing advice from T.J. McCreight, his right-hand man on the personnel side: "We did not come here to fail." On Saturday, Savage was one of the first members of the Browns contingent to check into the team hotel. He was an early morning arrival because he was headed out for a scouting mission to the Wake Forest-Maryland game.
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I've began wondering this and starting to suspect this as well.
There are probably a ton of variables that will need to play out between here and the next offseason, but if we head into next offseason with DA as the starter and Quinn as the backup with no competition, I can't imagine Quinn and his agent not making waves. The only way they don't is if Quinn takes charge of the relationship and asks his agent to let it play out. Maybe Quinn wants to play for the Browns that bad.
Personally, if this happens, then that means I think we go into 2009 with still more questions than answers, and that makes me feel a little uneasy.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Man I hope it doesn't come to that...
Will be real interesting to see what if any noise Condon makes with Anderson still here...And the STARTER...
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Anyways, there are still so many variables to play out on this one. The best case for the browns IMO is DA proves himself, trade Quinn.
I think Savage said the smart thing here: money is not an issue, the browns do no have to do anything. And Quinn is under contract, he or is agent could complain, but that is probably it. A hold-out once again would be idiotic.
This serves notice to the QB needed teams that one of our guys might be available in the offseason. But don't expect a bargain deal. The browns are in a good position, we don't need to do anything. If a team wants Quinn or Anderson then pay up!!!
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Anyways, there are still so many variables to play out on this one. The best case for the browns IMO is DA proves himself, trade Quinn.
That would be fine with me, but we have to get a very clear definition of what DA proving himself is.
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Just remember this. If Savage said anything remotely to suggest one of the 2 QBs will be gone in 09. It would start a world wind of reaction. The Media would do one of their frenzy shark eating things.
DA who had his first good game and became comfortable and has proven to have a very fragile ego would be in a frazzle if all of a sudden the question comes up Savage said this and Savage said that.
And as was mentioned...play it close to the Vest, close to the vest. Meaning create more of a Supply and Demand thing. If you put it out that we got to rid ourselves of one - who is going to offer anything.
Now true if DA continued to play the way he did the first 3 games. He would have no value and we would probably be releasing him or maybe doing a Frye and get a 6th rounder.
Now true if DA continues and plays like he did against the Giants. No way we can make the switch, cause that means he had one of the best seasons ever by a Browns QB. We could assume that BQ would want out - regardless if he was a Brown's fan or not.
What will happen - we'll see. You can after the season is done and we have certain answers to the QB question with this tough 08 test. Then we'll see what we REALLY DO in the off season.
JMHO - what we do know? Economically we can carry both.
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Well if this is true I'd say Phil is still planning on BQ being the QB of the future. 10.19 Browns: Browns reject Vikings' offer for Quinn The News The Browns have reportedly rejected an offer from the Vikings for quarterback Brady Quinn, according to the Pioneer Press. Our View The Vikings offered the Browns their 2009 and 2010 first-round draft picks for Quinn, but Cleveland said no after consideration. LINK
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10.19 Browns: Browns reject Vikings' offer for Quinn
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The Browns have reportedly rejected an offer from the Vikings for quarterback Brady Quinn, according to the Pioneer Press.
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The Vikings offered the Browns their 2009 and 2010 first-round draft picks for Quinn, but Cleveland said no after consideration.
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Also, it might not be Savage saying he thinks BQ is the future as much as he is unsure that DA is.
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Well, considering that says "our view", I wonder if that's just that site's opinion as to what the Vikings offered, or if that's truly what they offered.
I'm thinking like that too. And the link to their source, "Pioneer Press" doesn't work. I'd think an offer like that would have been published by the mainstream media if they found out about it.
I googled Pioneer Press and searched their site and this was the only mention of Brady Quinn I found. I didn't spend a lot of time searching though.
"The Vikings could try to trade with the Cleveland Browns for Brady Quinn, 23, but he's unproven." Pioneer Press (It's the 4th line in the article.)
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I googled Pioneer Press and searched their site and this was the only mention of Brady Quinn I found. I didn't spend a lot of time searching though.
I found this.
Word is the Vikings offered the Browns their 2009 and 2010 first-round draft picks for quarterback Brady Quinn, but Cleveland, after consideration, said no thanks.
Economically, the deal makes sense for the Vikings in that Quinn, who is under contract for three more years after this season, already has been paid his signing bonus. And the Vikings wouldn't have to spend on the draft picks. With the trading deadline recently passed, the deal could be resurrected after the season. If the Browns won't relent on Quinn, they might deal QB Derek Anderson to Minnesota.
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Good find. I'm guilty of actually seeing that story but didn't read far enough down since it seemed the football discussion was already over by the middle of the story. At least that's from a paper in their area. There must have been something to it. Tnanks for taking the extra time to look that up. On this board we try to be sure of our sources and you put in your due dilligence and nailed that one. 
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I googled Pioneer Press and searched their site and this was the only mention of Brady Quinn I found. I didn't spend a lot of time searching though.
I found this.
Word is the Vikings offered the Browns their 2009 and 2010 first-round draft picks for quarterback Brady Quinn, but Cleveland, after consideration, said no thanks.
Economically, the deal makes sense for the Vikings in that Quinn, who is under contract for three more years after this season, already has been paid his signing bonus. And the Vikings wouldn't have to spend on the draft picks. With the trading deadline recently passed, the deal could be resurrected after the season. If the Browns won't relent on Quinn, they might deal QB Derek Anderson to Minnesota.
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If DA is the one, not doing this was absolutely stupid! That's two first round picks for a guy we got for a late round first pick. I can't believe we didn't make that trade.
This makes me think that they intend to trade DA because they've decided BQ is their guy. Which if he makes it through this season without the fans killing him, and has #1 pick value, we have to pull that trigger.
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If DA is the one, not doing this was absolutely stupid! That's two first round picks for a guy we got for a late round first pick. I can't believe we didn't make that trade.
The operative word is "IF."
Imho, Phil is doing exactly the right thing... just as he did last offseason when he re-upped DA's membership in the O&B club. Apparently 'Superscout' had seen enough in DA to give him a chance to prove himself during this season, but smart enough to back-load his contract in case he flamed out. All the while, he keeps BQ in his hip pocket, letting him learn on the sidelines.
AND... if DA really isn't "all that," it's still no biggie. Phil will trade him for whatever we can get with no real loss.... considering it cost us absolutely nothing to bring him here in the first place. Then, it's Brady Quinn time.
Trade Brady before you know for sure, and you lose your insurance policy if DA stinks it up this year.
I think Phil is being pretty smart about this. He's sticking to the plan, which is actually pretty sound.
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That's two first round picks for a guy we got for a late round first pick. I can't believe we didn't make that trade.
This is a pet peeve of mine.
We gave up our 2007 Second Round pick, number 36 overall and our 2008 First Round Pick for the Dallas Cowboy's 2007 First Round pick, number #22 which we used to select Brady Quinn.
In a subsequent trade the Philadelphia Eagles selected Kevin Kolb with our pick 2007 Second Round Pick.
Our 2008 First Round pick became the #22 overall pick and the Cowboys used the pick to select Felix Jones.
So.......
We traded the 4th pick in the second round and a first round pick for Brady Quinn.
Getting two first round picks for him is a little better than what we spent but not by much potentially.
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Bingo.
I'm glad someone gets it.
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Why don't you ask Roger Staubach, Steve Young, Stever McNair....want me to keep going? It's simple, you learn and adjust to the NFL level and when the time comes, you seize the opportunity.
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Why don't you ask Roger Staubach, Steve Young, Stever McNair....want me to keep going? It's simple, you learn and adjust to the NFL level and when the time comes, you seize the opportunity.
I really agreed with the way Savage and Co. handled the situation this offseason because I felt like I could see it through their eyes. My personal feeling is that they believe Quinn will be adequate, but they thought DA could be a star. And that's how the plan unfolded.
Where I'm going with this is that I believe there could be several different roadmaps to success and almost all of them could work. But I wouldn't have minded it at all to see us commit to a guy instead of playing this "wait and see".
Just curious if anyone knows ... Matt Ryan compared to BQ ... who was considered the better QB coming out of college? I love the way the organization committed to Ryan right out of the gate. It gave the organization a clear direction, and he's rewarded them thus far.
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They were talking about that this past draft. Kiper and the boys said they'd have Ryan ranked higher but Quinn wouldn't have been far behind in 2nd.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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I'm not saying it's not time to make the change, I was just answering the question. Now, Ryan vs. BQ is a bit different. First, Ryan didn't hold out and there was NO other choice. They had to commit to him with Leftwich and Harrington gone and Vick in prison. BQ also held out and slowed his development. The FO felt that DA/Frye could keep the seat warm for a few games until BQ was ready. A funny thing happened, though....winning. So it's apples to oranges.
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Gets back to that roadmap Rish mentioned...many times there is more than one way to your destination....you just hope you didn't pick a dead end.
On the issue of Edwards and Winslow...they have demonstrated they are pretty good team mates in the good times...I am not so sure that can be said during the rocky times.
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Imho, Phil is doing exactly the right thing... just as he did last offseason when he re-upped DA's membership in the O&B club. Apparently 'Superscout' had seen enough in DA to give him a chance to prove himself during this season, but smart enough to back-load his contract in case he flamed out. All the while, he keeps BQ in his hip pocket, letting him learn on the sidelines.
AND... if DA really isn't "all that," it's still no biggie. Phil will trade him for whatever we can get with no real loss.... considering it cost us absolutely nothing to bring him here in the first place. Then, it's Brady Quinn time.
Trade Brady before you know for sure, and you lose your insurance policy if DA stinks it up this year.
I think Phil is being pretty smart about this. He's sticking to the plan, which is actually pretty sound..
Too bad DA's play isn't pretty sound..or just pretty..
First..DA is being evaluated heavily right now..Phil can't come out and say like fans do, "we gonna trade his butt"..not during the middle of the season and not for it go into the media..behind closed doors different conversations are taking place.
He has to play the poker face now..but at the end of the season , let the chips fall where they may..
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Financially it doesn't make much sense to keep both next year.
From an on field perspective, it doesn't either.
DA is playing for his job and potentially his next in the NFL, and when he blows a game the guy doesn't seem to care. People call Eli Manning aloof, but at least he shows some emotion when he screws up.
Anderson has hit his ceiling. I don't know that Quinn is better, but you have to give him a shot.
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Anderson has hit his ceiling. I don't know that Quinn is better, but you have to give him a shot.
The only issue with giving a guy a 'shot' is that you sink your entire season into him; see Frye for an example. You can't just put him in a couple games to see - you have to ride him the entire year, it not longer.
So, giving him a 'shot' sounds great, but the team has to be prepared for at least a 1 year project, if not longer.
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Anderson has hit his ceiling. Usually I agree with you but you are so far off it's whack.. Anderson couldn't hit a ceiling if it fell on him 
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We could move DA and Winslow and end up being a much better team for it. I hope we are entertaining offers for both these guys right now.
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We could move DA and Winslow and end up being a much better team for it. I hope we are entertaining offers for both these guys right now.
That is a very interesting point. Can't do anything now (I think) since the trade deadline passed, but that would be a risky proposition. Could really work or really blow up in our faces.
If you trade DA you assume BQ is what we need and right now, we simply do not know.
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To add a little something to your comment, which I agree with, but isnt the trade deadline over ?
If we take a look around the leauge at the QB & TE positions, we should be able to get a few high draft picks for DA & KW or a couple players in thier rime at postions we need, LB....But knowing Phil we wants picks, We shouldnt expect # 1 picks but should ask for them, teams are not offering them or morgaging thier future for today, but ask.
what we should get is up to Phil thats a whole diffrent thread,
I'd like these players to stay & perform as weve seen in the past, but I dont think they can do that, DA ? KW Knee is a concern can we tie up alot of money & cap space in him, but something tells me he wants to check out FA and see how much he can get. We might wanna pull a C.C. on him and get something for him before he goes to the highest bidder.
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To add a little something to your comment, which I agree with, but isnt the trade deadline over ?
If we take a look around the leauge at the QB & TE positions, we should be able to get a few high draft picks for DA & KW or a couple players in thier rime at postions we need, LB....But knowing Phil we wants picks, We shouldnt expect # 1 picks but should ask for them, teams are not offering them or morgaging thier future for today, but ask.
what we should get is up to Phil thats a whole diffrent thread,
I'd like these players to stay & perform as weve seen in the past, but I dont think they can do that, DA ? KW Knee is a concern can we tie up alot of money & cap space in him, but something tells me he wants to check out FA and see how much he can get. We might wanna pull a C.C. on him and get something for him before he goes to the highest bidder.
Yes, the trade deadline is over but I'm sure teams are still trying to position themselves for offseason trades.
I don't think we could get 1st rounders for either of these guys but 2 or 3 more first day picks could really help this team.
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You got that right, With those extra picks we could shore up some holes and even draft a WR that can catch which might Free up another Trade.
Sorry watching BE drop pass after pass this year has lead me to lose faith in his ability, it's like watching Quincy Morgan or Dennis Northcutt all over again, I understand WR are gonan drop balls, ya cant catch everything, it's gonna happen i can live with this , but time after time after time, enough is enough,
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This had better be "Savage speak" because if he's actually straight shooting here, it's time for him to go. If your organization can't make a decision about which quarterback gives us the best chance of winning after two years of seeing them, then it's time to bring in someone who can. This complete indecision is hurting the team and it's about time it stops.
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Anderson has hit his ceiling. I don't know that Quinn is better, but you have to give him a shot.
The only issue with giving a guy a 'shot' is that you sink your entire season into him; see Frye for an example. You can't just put him in a couple games to see - you have to ride him the entire year, it not longer.
So, giving him a 'shot' sounds great, but the team has to be prepared for at least a 1 year project, if not longer.
It's tricky, don't get me wrong. Benching a guy who was credited with your team's revival the year before is hard, but right now Anderson is not winning them games, let alone keeping them close.
The best thing would be for Anderson to get hurt, but you can't bank on that.
The Broncos were a playoff contending team in 2006 when they switched from Plummer to Cutler. Plummer had been okay, but his time was up. It's not popular or easy to make the switch, but I'd rather do it now than later.
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The only issue with giving a guy a 'shot' is that you sink your entire season into him; see Frye for an example. You can't just put him in a couple games to see - you have to ride him the entire year, it not longer.
So, giving him a 'shot' sounds great, but the team has to be prepared for at least a 1 year project, if not longer.
We are 2-4, inconsistent as hell, and our QB is probably the worst consistent starter in the NFL. It's either continue to waste time with Anderson and pray that he finds consistency and we somehow turn our season around winning the rest of our games or go with the unproven, unknown Quinn and give up on the rest of the season by throwing in the towel.
I can see why they want to hope in Derek, because they want to believe they still have a chance. I mean, after all, the name on the door does say Cleveland, and no one believes that their team can turn it around more than Cleveland fans. 
DA will start next week, but if we lose to the Jags, you bet your behind that we'll see Quinn in the very near future.
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Usually I agree with you but you are so far off it's whack..
Anderson couldn't hit a ceiling if it fell on him
And Edwards couldn't catch the ceiling if it hit him in the numbers and he was wide open!
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Wrong again..Edwards couldn't catch a ceiling if it was covered with crazy glue and layered in syrup and jam..
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Where's that QB ranking thread from before the Giants game, where afterward a bunch of folks were smiling and saying DA won't be #2 anymore. Well they were right, DA, might actually rank behind a few backup QBs on that list now. 
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And when he wouldn't catch it, he'd blame Anderson on the sideline afterwards.
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Where's that QB ranking thread from before the Giants game, where afterward a bunch of folks were smiling and saying DA won't be #2 anymore. Well they were right, DA, might actually rank behind a few backup QBs on that list now.
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In QB rating, DA is at #32 and behind Fitzpatrick and both TB QB's. Ahead of only one starter Matt Hasselbeck. In yards per attempt, DA's is #32 behind Hasselbeck and ahead of Fitzpatrick. In Comp. %, DA is tied with Hasselbeck at #32, behind Fitzpatrick and both TB QB's.
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Legend
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On Saturday, Savage was one of the first members of the Browns contingent to check into the team hotel. He was an early morning arrival because he was headed out for a scouting mission to the Wake Forest-Maryland game.
That's what we need, some Maryland players, because they are the model of consistency... 
Seriously though, a lot of good players in that game, wonder who he was going to watch... 
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Seriously though, a lot of good players in that game, wonder who he was going to watch...
God willing, a linebacker. Any good ones there?
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