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Staph infection sidelined Winslow, who says Browns GM Savage didn't show concern by Mary Kay Cabot Sunday October 19, 2008, 9:00 PM Browns tight end Kellen Winslow revealed to the Plain Dealer Sunday night that his previously undisclosed illness was a staph infection and that he's upset with the way the team handled that situation and others regarding him. He specifically said he feels like a "piece of meat" and expressed dismay Browns General Manager Phil Savage didn't call him while he was in the Cleveland Clinic last week. He said he's also upset that the team wanted to keep the illness quiet and that they announced it was Winslow who didn't want it revealed. "There's obviously a problem and we have to fix it," said Winslow. "Just look at the history around here." It was the second staph infection suffered by Winslow since 2005 and the sixth by a key player since 2005. It was the seventh known staph infection in the past four years. Others include former Browns center LeCharles Bentley, receiver Joe Jurevicius, receiver Braylon Edwards, former safety Brian Russell and former linebacker Ben Taylor. Bentley's career might be over because of the staph and Jurevicius is still battling to recover from the infection. There's a good chance he'll be placed on injured reserve in the next couple of weeks. "A big reason I'm upset right now has to do with [the staph infection]," said Winslow. "I heard from Romeo Crennel and I heard from my position coach [Alfredo Roberts] when I was in the Clinic. I never heard from the man upstairs -- Phil Savage -- and that really disappoints me. "I feel I've done a lot for this team, played through a lot of pain and given it my all. I just thought I deserved a little better than that." Winslow said he was so upset that he wanted to ask for a trade before last Tuesday's trading deadline. He said Savage knew how he felt. He said he also spoke to Savage Sunday and expressed his dismay that he hasn't reached out to him. "I could have easily asked for a trade, but I didn't," said Winslow. "I was definitely thinking about it." Winslow said he's also upset that Savage keeps saying his contract re-negotiation is on the back burner and that now is not the time. "I'm just frustrated with a lot of things," he said. Some of Winslow's teammates questioned whether he wanted to say all that he was saying during the interview, and he assured them he wanted to get things off his chest. "I'm okay, I'm okay," he said. Winslow said he's not finished here, but just disillusioned with his treatment from upper management. "I give my heart and soul to this team," he said. "I just wish there had been a little more concern over this situation." http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2008/10/staph_infection_sidelined_wins.html
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Would the Ref's get mad at me if I typed:
"Winslow, STFU"
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You want the double-standard: You wanted your money, but didn't want to take responsibility for your contractual obligations when you wrecked that bike you weren't supposed to be riding.
I'm gettin' sick of the primma-donna's around here, and we all know which receiver and wanna-be TE I'm talking about.......
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I can see where he's coming from, I guess, but geez, what does this guy want? Savage at bedside holding his hand? Be a freakin' man and don't worry about who's calling you and who isn't.
That being said, I wonder where this staph was. And, can't you prevent a lot of staph with proper hygiene? Is Winslow just not showering or something?
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Would the refs get mad if I said the same to you?? And I see Diam is still hiding since Weiss BOTCHED the UNC game. U guys never want to take a stand and always sit the fence. Winslow is the heart and soul and he has had enough.
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JMHO, but I think Winslow is wrong here. Would it have killed Savage to call the guy? No. But is Winslow really that emotionally fragile that because the GM doesn't call to check on him, he thinks about getting traded?
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Don't think this isn't about his contract, because that's EXACTLY what this is about.
Renegotiated contract=no crying from Winslow tonight.
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You beat me to it, Toad. Throwing that little quote in there about his contract being on the back burner is a big tip-off.
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Don't think this isn't about his contract, because that's EXACTLY what this is about.
Renegotiated contract=no crying from Winslow tonight.
This is what the sixth or seventh guy to get this infenction? Of course he is going to be irritated. Its problem thats needs to be adressed. And he is sick of losing. He knows the team is being held back. If they play up to there potential he will get his raise and he knows it.
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Is the GM the reason the team is being held back? Or is it lack of production?
And maybe Savage should have called Winslow and not only wished him well, but also asked him why he's had so many games where at least 2 or 3 times a game, he's lined up in the wrong place.
Look, I like Winslow as a player. He is one tough TE. We don't utilize him half as much as I'd like. But he comes off as a real crybaby here.
And, from a business standpoint, his contract SHOULD be on the back burner. JMHO
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I would not bat an eyelash if someone offered me a trade for Winslow.
TE is hardly a pivotal position. We have people more than capable at playing for him.
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Kind of off topic, but he shouldn't have even been on the field today. He seemed like a liability when he was out there. Hopefully K2 puts together another good year this year so we can trade him for a 2nd rounder.
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The title of this thread should mention that his undisclosed illness was staph
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How do you contact staph? Up until now, it's just been guys that had surgeries. So how did he get it?
Also, why would the Browns hide it, then say Winslow didn't want it disclosed? I would be upset about that also.
The rest of the stuff is Winslow acting like a little girl.
I am curious as to why the Browns wanted it hidden.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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How do you contact staph? Up until now, it's just been guys that had surgeries. So how did he get it?
Also, why would the Browns hide it, then say Winslow didn't want it disclosed? I would be upset about that also.
The rest of the stuff is Winslow acting like a little girl.
I am curious as to why the Browns wanted it hidden.
You get staph through a cut or opened wound. The Browns wanted to hide it because it is beginning to be embarassing. Who wants to play for Cleveland if they are bound to get staph? Edwards, Winslow, Brian Russell, Bentley, JJ have all had it...who am I missing?
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Thats being a tad anal don't you think. Thinking about a trade is a pretty big deal.
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Thats being a tad anal don't you think. Thinking about a trade is a pretty big deal.
I think that having staph is a bigger deal.
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Thats being a tad anal don't you think. Thinking about a trade is a pretty big deal.
I think that having staph is a bigger deal.
I alwase thought having staff was a little Anal...? 
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I wonder where this staph was. And, can't you prevent a lot of staph with proper hygiene? Is Winslow just not showering or something?
Does that mean that JJ, BE & Bentley and the others don't shower either?  There is a Definite Problem at the Cleveland Clinic that the team is trying to cover up! IMHO Someone needs to investigate and get to the bottom of this issue! Clean it up or have the team treated at Another Facility!!!  JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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He didn't get it at the Cleveland Clinic, thats where he was getting treated for it! Maybe the complex in Berea is the problem...
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That being said, I wonder where this staph was. And, can't you prevent a lot of staph with proper hygiene? Is Winslow just not showering or something?
As funny as this post is, it's also true. Is one person responsible for dressing those wounds once they're out of the hospital? Maybe the entire staff (no pun intended  ) needs a course in hygeine and sterile dressing changes.
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I don't think the clinic is the problem. I'm no expert but I would think the players have obtained the staph at the browns practice facilties.
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as far as the staph goes, yeah, theres a problem and i think they need to seriously consider a different facility..there is NO team that has had as much staph as us. and as far as winslow...i'd trade him for defense help in a heartbeat..i honestly think savage drafted rucker with the intention being a potential replacement anyways. Winslow probably don't have many years left due to his own stupidity. And instead of standing beside the guy that could have went and took a bunch of money from him as a penalty, took the high road, supported winslow and gave him a chance to EARN that money back. He didn't have to do that..boohoo, you give your heart and soul to the team...yeah well for what you get paid, that's exactly what i expect. I give 100 percent at work to and not for what he gets paid. And we've seen that in chuds offense that no name TE's can be effective. Winslow doesn't get out of the block for crap in a conventional TE set, only way he's effective if he's in the slot or out wide. So he's not even a TE, just a 250lb WR. Love the guy and think he's a great player, but he's not bigger than the team, if you don't like the team, go, we'll find people who do
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How do you contact staph? Up until now, it's just been guys that had surgeries. So how did he get it?
Also, why would the Browns hide it, then say Winslow didn't want it disclosed? I would be upset about that also.
The rest of the stuff is Winslow acting like a little girl.
I am curious as to why the Browns wanted it hidden.
You get staph through a cut or opened wound. The Browns wanted to hide it because it is beginning to be embarassing. Who wants to play for Cleveland if they are bound to get staph? Edwards, Winslow, Brian Russell, Bentley, JJ have all had it...who am I missing?
Ben Taylor. But his case of staph, like Braylon's, Russell's, and JJ's, had absolutely nothing to do with the Cleveland Clinic or the practice facilities in Berea. LCB and K2 were recovering from major reconstructive surgeries. Anyone, anywhere, who has gone through such a surgery is at a heightened risk for staph infection.
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You guys kill me with the staph crap. I cut my finger open on a knife while doing dishes and got staph. I wasn't in Berea. Hmmmm.
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I'm glad it was staph and not the other rumor floating around...but on second thought I'm not too happy with the staph either...
I'm not sure why some of the "hardcore" posters here jump all over people for having some emotions. First Vince Young and now KW2...sure they have a lot of money, but that doesn't mean they are immune to emotion. KW2, while I'm not his biggest fan, has been putting himself out there and has taken quite a few hits for us that he probably wouldn't be taking for a team who had a QB who actually knew what he was doing.
Sure, some of his whining could be money related and most of it probably is...but when you contract an infection that many of our main players have contracted, I'd expect a call from the big guy too.
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Hmm, makes you wonder if this was the type of thing Bentley was talking about when he left.
As far as Winslow, I'm torn. He's a great TE, but Heiden has proven he's capable and if Rucker can prove himself, KW2 becomes expendable. His attitude is a plus and minus, but demands for a new contract and much needed cap space are a real concern.
I want him to remain a Brown forever, but we have greater needs than TE and if the right offer came along, I'd be hard pressed not to think it over.
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I'm not sure why some of the "hardcore" posters here jump all over people for having some emotions.
I'll clear it up for you.
Having emotions is one thing. Having a double-standard and not acting like a professional is something else entirely.
If this was out of character for him, it'd be a different story. Unfortunately for everyone involved, we've grown to expect this kind of behavior from people like Winslow and Edwards.
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I'm not really sure why you defend the Berea facility or the Cleveland Clinic, but it sure seems as if you are just following them blindly. Every Sunday players are injured all over the NFL, typically requiring surgery. Do you ever read about other teams who have players infected by staph post surgery? I don't think there is a viable or quick way to research this, but I can tell you from following the NFL that the amount of staph that has afflicted Cleveland Browns players far surpasses the average amount of infection seen on other teams. Tom Brady is the first and only one I can think of off the top of my head that had to go back into surgery due to infection, and I haven't read that it was staph.
You cut your finger and you suffered a staph infection. I have had three knee surgeries including two ACL reconstructions and have never had a staph infection. Staph obviously is a very contagious infection, but the rate that we see it here on our team is ridiculous.
If someone does know a way to actually find out other player's injuries and if they had to deal with staph from around the NFL, I would love to see the numbers. However, I am sure that it wouldn't even be close. That tells me that the Cleveland Clinic is trying to emulate the team's usual performance in the hospital.
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Well, I have had 4 knee surgeries, 3 shoulder surgeries, and a back surgery. I had 2 staph infections and it wasn't in Berea or the Cleveland Clinic. In fact, one of my infections was when I had Dr. Andrews perform my surgery.
Staph isn't the rairty that some are professing. The Browns FO have had the facilities inspected more than once by experts that said the Browns were doing things correctly and there wasn't a serious threat within the facility. What more can they do even if you disagree with the experts?
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I'm not sure why some of the "hardcore" posters here jump all over people for having some emotions.
I'll clear it up for you.
Having emotions is one thing. Having a double-standard and not acting like a professional is something else entirely.
If this was out of character for him, it'd be a different story. Unfortunately for everyone involved, we've grown to expect this kind of behavior from people like Winslow and Edwards.
Maybe we're expecting too much out of the current day NFL players in general? Look at all of the arrests, drugs, whining , etc from players all over the league. Winslow/Edwards aren't the only two prima-donna players in the league and not even the only two on our team. I think it's just the transformation of the youth today and unfortunately I think it only gets worse.
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Could be. However, notice how Goodell has begun to implement tools to get that under control?
I don't know that we should allow this kind of behavior just because the rest of the world is going to Hell in a handbasket. I mean seriously......when was the last time that we saw a player cry to the media because the GM didn't call him when he was hurt?  Then he makes the comment about his contract, which tells us exactly where he is.
Of course, he gets this from his father, so maybe we are expecting too much out of him. Afterall, maybe Winslow has just never known better.........
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I'm not disagreeing with either of you. If I went in to work tomorrow and asked why my boss didn't call me since I contracted the flu on Wednesday and told him I wasn't going to work unless he gave me more money, I'm pretty sure he'd tell me to clean out my desk.
Goodell is taking some positive steps, and I hope he continues to try and get the sport under control. I don't want to see us turn into the NBA.
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Coach trying to make people understand this is just like  Staph is a major problem in this country in general , but hey no sense in letting facts get in the way of a few peoples rants against the Browns and the Clinic. I will also say that there are different froms and levels of staph infection, if K2 was only in the hospital for a few days I would say the odds are he had cellulitis, which is a from of staph that stays on the skin level. I have had it several times and have either spent a few hours in the hospital getting IV anibiotics up to a couple days in the hospital. I am not sure why Kellen wi=ould contract cellulitis but is is pretty common among diabetics. KING
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Staph Infections in Sports
Rotator-cuff tendonitis, shin splints and torn anterior cruciate ligaments are a few of the disabilities suffered by athletes. Now add methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus to the list. M.R.S.A. (Mersa) also known as a staph infection, plagues locker rooms across the country. Whether at the high school, college, or professional level, athletes are being attacked by a recently emerging antibiotic-resistant strain most frequently transmitted through skin-to-skin contact, towels and sweaty uniforms. High-profile cases, including Junior Seau of the Miami Dolphins, as well as the death of a college football player in Pennsylvania, have done little to increase public awareness, which is alarming, given that the Center for Disease Control had to be summoned to examine one NFL team's outbreak in St. Louis. With vigilance the only way to combat the condition, correspondent Frank Deford travels the fields where warriors are being victimized by their wounds. Interviews include St. Louis Rams Offensive Lineman Andrew McCollum; Rams head team physician Dr. Matthew Matava; Jeff Hageman of the Center for Disease Control; and Theresa Drew, whose son, Ricky Lanetti, a college athlete in Pennsylvania who died in 2003 from a Staph infection.
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The Redskins have been fighting the same beast that the Browns seem to be losing to. In 2 years the Redskins had 5 players contract the same infection, which led to drastic measures in the off season-
The St. Louis Rams have also had struggles, particularly in 2003 when 5 players suffered infections from turf burns. Their problem was so bad that even a few members of the San Francisco 49ers suffered from the infection after their game in St. Louis.
The Toronto Blue Jays and Orlando Magic have also had trouble in the past few years. Former Cavalier Drew Gooden had a staph infection while a member of the Magic. Gooden said of his infection-
The problem in Jurevicius’ case is that he probably didn’t contract the infection at the Clinic or at the Browns’ facility.
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Yeah Triple, I'm not taking it that way man. Sorry if I'm soundin' bitter.
I'm simply frusterated that the greatness of Winslow's and Edwards' talent is equally matched by their negative brovado, pettiness, and greed.
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I hear you on the contract extension gripes, but I don't fault the man in the slightest for wanting the boss to show a little compassion. This is a place that's often sold as a "family" and yet now here are two players (K2 and Bentley) saying that Savage didn't show any concern for them when they were hospitalized. If you care enough about the guy before you sign him to paper, you need to show the same concern when he's playing for you. To me, this speaks very ill of the front office and, quite frankly, opens the door for a clean house come next year.
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